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Title: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: anthony215 on November 12, 2010, 17:50:12
Just  read that arriva trains wales drivers are striking  during this month although drivers who are members of the RMT have not said whether they are striking yet:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2010/11/12/train-drivers-announce-wales-strike-dates-91466-27647497/#sitelife-comments-bottom


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: SDS on November 13, 2010, 01:20:51
RMT are balloting which closes on 30th November. So I reckon earliest legally possible date for strike would be 7th December 2010.
Never know ASLEF and RMT might even co-ordinate strike action.
However based on the Arriva Trains Northern dispute, it will go on for a while.




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Publication Date: November 12 2010

RAIL UNION RMT confirmed today that it is to ballot drivers on Arriva Trains Wales for strike action and action short of a strike in a dispute over pay and conditions.

Negotiations with Arriva Trains Wales have been dragged out by the company and the patience and goodwill of RMT members has been exhausted. Arriva Trains Wales drivers are amongst the lowest paid train drivers in the country and they have tolerated this situation for far too long. RMT union has also put forward proposals to improve train safety by reducing the maximum turn length and to ensure drivers get sufficient breaks

As a result, the union has had no option but to begin balloting for action with the ballot closing on the 30 the November. RMT is campaigning for a massive yes vote for action which will send a clear message to the company.

RMT is the biggest industrial union representing train drivers in Wales and is the lead railway union.

RMT General Secretary Bob Crow said:

^RMT has rejected the most recent offer from the company that would have left our members out of pocket and which was loaded with strings. Our members would have ended up with inferior working conditions for a de facto pay cut."

^Arriva Trains Wales have shown us in the clearest possible terms that they have no wish to properly reward the hard work and loyalty to the staff and are motivated solely by the drive for bigger profits to line the pockets of the shareholders and that is why we are now balloting for industrial action.

^RMT is making it clear that real progress must be achieved with Arriva Trains Wales for them to avoid a dispute. Without the hard work and commitment of our members there would be no company profits and it^s high time that Arriva Trains Wales recognised that.

^We are therefore calling on our members for an overwhelming ^YES^ vote for industrial action and industrial action short of a strike bring Arriva Trains Wales management back to the table to seriously negotiate an improvement to the pay offer which improves the work/life balance of the drivers and which properly rewards their staff.^


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: JayMac on November 13, 2010, 01:46:37
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RMT is the biggest industrial union representing train drivers in Wales and is the lead railway union.

That's interesting. Do the RMT mean they are the biggest industrial union in Wales and have a few train drivers on their books or that they represent the majority of ATW drivers? I'd've thought the majority of drivers would be ASLEF members.


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: Jez on November 13, 2010, 22:25:58
I hope they arent going to strike next Saturday - im relying on them for travel!

I heard they might strike on the next 2 Rugby days - next Friday and Saturday 27th November, although this could just speculation in the local press.


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: JayMac on November 13, 2010, 22:51:29
Well, the ballot doesn't close until 30th November, according to the RMT press release. And trade union law requires a minimum of 7 days notice of industrial action following the result of the ballot.


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: dog box on November 14, 2010, 11:23:46
ASLEF Drivers are taking action on 19th whilst RMT are still balloting there Driver Members...understand it over failure to agree a satisfactory pay deal


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 15, 2010, 13:37:15
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11752786):

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Talks due in bid to avoid Arriva Trains Wales strike

Talks will be held later between union officials and Arriva Trains Wales in an attempt to avert strike action.

Members of the rail union Aslef have voted for industrial action in a dispute over pay, with the first 24-hour stoppage due on Friday.

Disruption could increase because that evening the Wales rugby team play Fiji at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.

The Rail Maritime and Transport (RMT) union is also balloting members with a recommendation for a vote for action.

Further strikes are also scheduled for the following Friday and Saturday, 26 and 27 November.

That Saturday could mean further problems for rugby fans because Wales are again in action at the Millennium Stadium, this time against New Zealand.

Aslef, which has about 500 Arriva Trains Wales members, has described its pay offer as "derisory," and said an "overwhelming majority" backed action.

The RMT is balloting its members at both Arriva Trains in Wales and at Merseyrail over company pay offers.

A spokesman for Arriva said both sides in the dispute were coming to the table for Monday's talks "with hopes of a resolution".

He added: "From our point of view we will do everything we possibly can to avert strike action".


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: LiskeardRich on November 15, 2010, 14:25:40
im off to the wales new zealand game, driving up but no trains will cause more congestion i guess


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: SDS on November 15, 2010, 14:44:54
FGW not affected - yet.
I suspect the following will happen (NOT CONFIRMED), GroupSave barred, any advance tickets which haven't already been booked will be withdrawn.
Boarding Controls at both ends.


Edit: Seems Groupsave is already barred:
Fri 19-Nov
Cardiff Millennium
Barred for arrival: 1430-1930
Rugby friendly
Wales v Fuji
all

Sat 27-Nov
Cardiff Millennium
Barred for arrival: before 1715
Rugby friendly
Wales v New Zealand
all


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 18, 2010, 01:15:39
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11780227):

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Arriva Trains Wales drivers call off Friday strike

A planned strike on Friday by drivers at Arriva Trains Wales has been called off following an improved pay offer.

The drivers' union Aslef said it would meet on Monday to decide whether to call off two planned further walkouts.

Aslef, which has about 500 Arriva Trains Wales members, had described the initial pay offer as "derisory."

The stoppage planned for Friday would have coincided with the Wales rugby international against Fiji at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: Glovidge on November 19, 2010, 03:58:00
Is this improved pay offer really 6.1%??? Can I become an Arriva Wales train driver. Don't they know there's a recession on?


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: JayMac on November 19, 2010, 07:23:09
Even with that pay offer ATW drivers are earning considerably less than their DB colleagues at Arriva Cross Country, Chiltern and DB Schenker.


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: Toiletdriver on November 22, 2010, 00:03:00
Is this improved pay offer really 6.1%??? Can I become an Arriva Wales train driver. Don't they know there's a recession on?

It's called market forces, brought on by John Major.
It costs over 1/4 million to train up a driver from scratch, and you don't know how that person will turn out. The easiest way to get drivers is to poach from other TOCs. From 97 to 2003, Cross Country and FGW at Bristol didn't need drivers courses, that'd just take on W+W drivers from Bristol and Cardiff who'd managed 2 years driving with no problems. Just choose anyone who hasn't had a SOL offence. W+W had to pay to replace the drivers who had moved on, otherwise big penalties for not running the minimum service.
Recently ATW at Cardiff have lost several drivers to FGW Swansea and Bristol, XC at Bristol and Freightliner. Even with the cost of using the car to get to Bristol, drivers are still on better money.


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: Henry on November 22, 2010, 08:50:23
http://www.lrd.org.uk/services/payline/rmt/plagree.php?LRDref=AW0002


Title: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 14, 2010, 02:09:48
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11984946):

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Drivers on Arriva Trains Wales have voted overwhelmingly for strike action in a dispute over pay and conditions.

The Rail Maritime and Transport (RMT) union said 85% of members backed the industrial action

RMT General Secretary Bob Crow described the company's offer as "paltry". He added: "It would have left our members out of pocket and which was loaded with strings.

Arriva Trains Wales (ATW) said it was "surprised and disappointed".

"Our members would have ended up with inferior working conditions for a de facto pay cut.

"Arriva Trains Wales have shown us in the clearest possible terms that they have no wish to properly reward the hard work and loyalty to the staff and are motivated solely by the drive for bigger profits to line the pockets of the shareholders

"That is why we have balloted for industrial action and why our members have delivered this overwhelming mandate," Mr Crown added.

Last month a planned stoppage at Arriva Trains Wales by members of the drivers' union Aslef was called off.

An ATW spokeswoman said: "We are surprised and disappointed that the RMT has chosen to ballot for industrial action, based on a previous pay offer which has since been superseded by a significantly improved offer."

The spokeswoman added that ATW train drivers were represented by two trade unions, ASLEF & RMT, and that ASLEF had recommended the latest pay offer to its members for acceptance.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Super Guard on December 14, 2010, 02:28:51
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11984946):

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Drivers on Arriva Trains Wales have voted overwhelmingly for strike action in a dispute over pay and conditions.

The Rail Maritime and Transport (RMT) union said 85% of members backed the industrial action

RMT General Secretary Bob Crow described the company's offer as "paltry". He added: "It would have left our members out of pocket and which was loaded with strings.

Arriva Trains Wales (ATW) said it was "surprised and disappointed".

"Our members would have ended up with inferior working conditions for a de facto pay cut.

"Arriva Trains Wales have shown us in the clearest possible terms that they have no wish to properly reward the hard work and loyalty to the staff and are motivated solely by the drive for bigger profits to line the pockets of the shareholders

"That is why we have balloted for industrial action and why our members have delivered this overwhelming mandate," Mr Crown added.

Last month a planned stoppage at Arriva Trains Wales by members of the drivers' union Aslef was called off.

An ATW spokeswoman said: "We are surprised and disappointed that the RMT has chosen to ballot for industrial action, based on a previous pay offer which has since been superseded by a significantly improved offer."

The spokeswoman added that ATW train drivers were represented by two trade unions, ASLEF & RMT, and that ASLEF had recommended the latest pay offer to its members for acceptance.
;D


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: inspector_blakey on December 14, 2010, 02:53:53
Anyone know roughly what %age of ATW drivers are represented by RMT...? For obvious reasons that's going to be a major factor in how effective (or not) the strike is.

PS Mr Crow not next Wednesday please, I'll be haggard after an overnight flight back from America and I need to get from Swansea to darkest Wales... ;)


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: anthony215 on December 14, 2010, 09:07:40
I think most of the drivers are with the  other drivers union, not too sure how many drivers at Arriva Trains wales are members of the RMT.



Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Super Guard on December 14, 2010, 14:08:07
Certainly in our part of the World, the % of RMT drivers is very small... I'm sure TheSprinterMeister will offer his opinion on the %.  ;D


Title: Planned strike on Arriva Train Wales. On first day of Six Nations!
Post by: Glovidge on January 27, 2011, 14:56:01
great stuff guys

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12289758

I assume when Bob Crow comes back from his Caribbean jaunt he'll knock a few heads together. 12% payrise over 2 years?? You know I'm in the GMB myself but the RMT at times take the proverbial out of the rest of the unions and workers


Title: Re: Planned strike on Arriva Train Wales. On first day of Six Nations!
Post by: JayMac on January 28, 2011, 08:27:41
Well done to the BBC for listing the alternatives should the strike go ahead.

And 12% over two years seems pretty generous (scratch that - extremely generous) in my opinion. Quite how Commie Bob see this as 'an affective pay cut' is beyond me.  :o ::)


Title: Re: Planned strike on Arriva Train Wales. On first day of Six Nations!
Post by: Super Guard on January 28, 2011, 11:33:21
One of the comments to the BBC story:

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I am a train driver for ATW. As everyone is obviously aware, ATW and other UK rail franchises are owned by Deutsche Bahn, who are of course owned by the German Government. My union, ASLEF (who have the collective bargaining agreements for ATW) have been in pay discussions since May 2010. As part of the 2010 pay offer ATW management wished us to relinquish our right whether to work Sunday's voluntarily. Due to the nature of our work, Sunday is usually the only day we see our families. But of course surely, we are just greedy? The time I have with my children is disjointed enough already with shift work without adding to it by having no voluntary opt-out of Sunday working. On the face of it rejecting a 12%, two year pay deal in the current financial climate will seem totally 'Looney' to most but in reality, in comparison with English train operating companies this settlement is very poor. But that's OK. We're Welsh so we expected to take a lower pay rise and be thankful for it and tip our hats to our illustrious business leaders in Berlin. striking is our last resort, not our first. We strike because talks have failed. We don't do it because we can, we do it because our backs are against the wall. If they wish us to lose our voluntary right to work Sundays then they need to compensate us fairly as other Deutsche Bahn British train franchises do

I'm not saying I agree with Bob Crow (heaven forbid), but unless you are aware of all the terms and conditions that are being tied to this 12% rise, then no-one is in a position to comment whether this is a fair rise or not, regardless of economic climate.  On the face of it, 12% rise over 2 years is extremely good, however remember SWT have had a similar deal recently agreed with the RMT (6.1% rise this year ?), so clearly there is more to it condition wise and not just Bob fancying a strike.


Title: Re: Planned strike on Arriva Train Wales. On first day of Six Nations!
Post by: TerminalJunkie on January 28, 2011, 11:46:08
Quite how Commie Bob see this as 'an affective pay cut' is beyond me.  :o ::)

The things that get on my nipple ends, in no particular order:
  • People who don't know the difference between effect and affect
  • [...]


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 28, 2011, 20:30:12
As noted elsewhere on the board discussing travel to/from the England-Wales game at the Millennium Stadium on 4 Feb, there's another strike scheduled by ATW's RMT drivers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12305392 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12305392)

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ATW employs 617 drivers of which 129 are in the RMT, with the remainder in the Aslef union. ATW does not expect the other drivers to cross the picket line.

The way I read this, it would appear that even though RMT have only about 25% of ATW's drivers as members, they can still call a strike that will disable the operation because ASLEF drivers won't cross picket lines. Have I got this right? I don't know much about industrial relations law but it seems strange that the ASLEF drivers can legitimately refuse to work (so also effectively take protected strike action) when their union is not in dispute.


Title: Re: Planned strike on Arriva Train Wales. On first day of Six Nations!
Post by: welshman on January 28, 2011, 23:19:31
The voluntary Sunday working is the bargaining chip the unions won't give up.  It is patently absurd that a business has to attempt to offer a seven day service while its employees insist that they cannot be rostered to work Sundays if they don't feel like it.

Since the Sunday service starts later and stops earlier and runs trains at half or even a quarter of weekday frequency, only occasional Sundays are required and those who work Sundays can get a day off in lieu.

It's a pantomime objection.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Glovidge on January 29, 2011, 22:42:42
The ballot was allegedly 60 out of 120 RMT members who are drivers voted and of them 56 voted for action. ArrivaTrainsWales has 600 drivers. So 10% of the workforce can bring South Wales to a standstill


Title: Re: Planned strike on Arriva Train Wales. On first day of Six Nations!
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 29, 2011, 23:16:07
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12305392):

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Arriva court plan to prevent Six Nations rail strike

Arriva Trains Wales (ATW) is considering court action to prevent the rail strike planned on the opening day of the Six Nations rugby tournament.

The strike over pay is due next Friday when Wales host England at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff.

Wales rugby fans have said they expect travel chaos in Cardiff city centre on the night of the game.

Rail union RMT said the pay offer was unacceptable and would leave members with an effective pay cut.

ATW, which operates trains across Wales, confirmed it may seek a court injunction to stop the industrial action by members of RMT.

It said the strike would cause disruption and inconvenience for many thousands of rail passengers and rugby fans.

The train operator has said its offer of a 12% pay increase over two years, taking a driver's basic salary to ^39,117, was "very generous".

The RMT disputes the 12% figure, saying the rise for this year is actually 3.7%, and claims it is an effective pay cut.

A union spokesperson said: "Our dispute is not with the rugby fans of Wales or England, our dispute is with ATW. We decide on our tactics to force the issue with the company. We have to look at all the options. It's forced the company to take this issue seriously. We're not doing this to disrupt people who are going to the rugby."

An estimated 32,000 fans usually use ATW's services on match days, forcing many supporters to make other arrangements.

Pontypridd RFC finance director Peter Howells said: "We've almost filled one coach and we're looking at getting another one. We would normally run one coach but because of the increased demand, we're in the process of organising another."

Wales rugby fan Dave Evans, from Cardiff, said: "The fans are presumably going to try to come down by car. That's going to cause chaos in the centre of Cardiff - that's the point of the strike but that doesn't help the fans."

Talks between the union and the train operator are expected to take place on Monday.

Transport Ieuan Wyn Jones has called on both sides to negotiate.

ATW employs 617 drivers of which 129 are in the RMT, with the remainder in the Aslef union. ATW does not expect the other drivers to cross the picket line.


Title: Re: Planned strike on Arriva Train Wales. On first day of Six Nations!
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 30, 2011, 01:34:21
Quite how Commie Bob see this as 'an affective pay cut' is beyond me.  :o ::)

The things that get on my nipple ends, in no particular order:
  • People who don't know the difference between effect and affect
  • [...]

I have to say that I tend to get more irked by people who don't know the difference between its and it's. ;)

The station cafe at Barnstaple has it's own departures screen:


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 30, 2011, 20:44:28
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12318785):

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Wales-England rugby rail strike 'will be disastrous'

The train strike planned for Wales' Six Nations opener against England in Cardiff on Friday will be disastrous for the country's image, says an MP.

The rail union RMT is due to strike, claiming its pay offer from Arriva Trains Wales amounted to a cut.

But Vale of Glamorgan Conservative MP Alun Cairns called on the assembly government to intervene, saying he had "no sympathy" with the train drivers.

Arriva Trains Wales said its 12% pay offer over two years was very generous.

But RMT general secretary Bob Crow said the offer was "unacceptable" and would have left members "with an effective pay cut and which was loaded with strings".

The strike has been called for the day Wales meet England in the evening fixture at the Millennium Stadium.

Mr Cairns, who is also AM for South West Wales, said: "The situation on Friday will be horrendous and impossible for those travelling on trains into Cardiff. Not only will it send the wrong message to the rest of the UK and potential investors, but it will be disastrous if it isn't stopped. It will be a disaster in terms of PR, a disaster in terms of organisation and a disaster in terms of health and safety. I hope the assembly government will use all its might to try and force the union to back down."

Mr Cairns also called on Deputy First Minister Ieuan Wyn Jones to stop "ignoring" the situation and said train drivers needed to "get real" in tough economic times.

Mr Jones has called on both sides in the strike to negotiate to try to avert the action, saying it would cause "unnecessary inconvenience".

But he said the assembly government should not be directly involved in industrial relations matters.

An estimated 32,000 fans usually use the company's services on match days.

On Thursday the train operating firm's operations and safety director, Peter Leppard, said it was "still talking" to the rail union but a resolution before next Friday "does not look hopeful".

Mr Leppard called the strike "completely unjustifiable". He said the pay offer would raise an Arriva driver's basic salary to ^39,117, an "astonishingly good" income in Wales and a "mid table" salary among train drivers in the UK.

But the RMT says staff do not believe the current offer goes "far enough to protect their standard of living".

The Welsh Assembly Government has been asked to comment.


Title: Re: Planned strike on Arriva Train Wales. On first day of Six Nations!
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 30, 2011, 21:00:54
The voluntary Sunday working is the bargaining chip the unions won't give up.  It is patently absurd that a business has to attempt to offer a seven day service while its employees insist that they cannot be rostered to work Sundays if they don't feel like it.

Believe it or not, this sort of thing still exists within FGW driver depots.  Even within the LTV depots there is a discrepancy with drivers at Paddington depot having a 'local agreement' that they are not obliged to work Sundays if they don't want to, whereas at Oxford you are expected to work if rostered and the onus is on the individual to try and get their shift covered by someone else if they don't want to work.*

A modern, forward-thinking company, not held back by union dinosaurs would have quashed this sort of thing years ago, but as London Midland found out to their cost last year, having an agreement like this in place does give the workforce an easy option for unofficial industrial action, or as 'welshman' quite rightly puts it 'a bargaining chip' - especially if the agreement is unilateral amongst all the depots of a TOC.

* It should be said that in virtually all cases there is somebody else who will do an extra Sunday.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: welshman on February 01, 2011, 21:01:49
But now they've backed down on legal advice.  Presumably, since ASLEF members wouldn't have crossed the picket lines, ATW would have sued RMT for the revenue loss on the grounds that they'd induced the problem.


Title: Re: Possible Arriva trains wales strike this month
Post by: Jez on February 02, 2011, 22:00:31
Well now the ATW strike has been cancelled on Friday, are they likely to strike again in the near future - likely to be a Saturday or weekday? Its so annoying you cant make plans to travel incase they end up striking, its so inconvenient for the passengers!


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 04, 2011, 23:46:24
Please don't shoot the messenger, but the result was ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/9386391.stm  :P


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: JayMac on February 05, 2011, 00:20:42
Please don't shoot the messenger, but the result was ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_union/9386391.stm  :P

B*gg*r. I was gonna watch the highlights on iPlayer shortly. Clicked on the the link without thinking and then tried to close the window with my eyes closed. That worked, but I then went to bbc.co.uk/sport to cue up the highlights and the bleddy score was there in bold on the front page. Arggghh  >:(


Title: Wales closed 27 & 28 February
Post by: welshman on February 23, 2011, 20:01:13
Unless ATW and ASLEF reach agreement (http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/Templates/News.aspx?pageid=2217)


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Andypandy on February 25, 2011, 18:48:46
and Strike action again on Sunday and Monday! yey!


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: anthony215 on February 25, 2011, 23:18:47
First cymru putting extra vehicles on their  Swansea - Cardiff greyhound servce on monday to hel cope with extra passengers.

i suspect a lot of their buses will be crowded with extra passengers.

I suspect Stagecoach will find their X4 Hereford -Abergevenny - Brynmawr - Merthyr Tydfil - Pontypridd - Cardiff service will be very busy on monday.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 26, 2011, 18:06:26
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12587093):

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Arriva Trains Wales strike to go ahead from midnight

Train services will be affected from midnight on Saturday as two days of industrial action by drivers from Arriva Trains Wales begin.

The action called by the Aslef union follows a long-running pay dispute.

There will be no Arriva Trains Wales services on Sunday or Monday and no alternative transport is being provided.

Managers say an offer of a 12% rise over two years is extremely generous.

The union has accused the company of paying Welsh drivers less than their English counterparts.

The 01.50 GMT Fishguard Harbour to Cardiff service on Sunday will be replaced by a bus service but passengers on all other services are being advised to make alternative travel arrangements.

Services on Tuesday are also likely to be disrupted as the network returns to normal.

Peter Leppard, Operations Director for Arriva Trains Wales, said: "Arriva Trains Wales' senior management and officials from the ASLEF and RMT trade unions have been in talks for many months in an attempt to reach a final agreement on pay and working conditions for train drivers.

"We are extremely disappointed that once again our generous offer has been rejected and that the planned industrial action by ASLEF for 27 and 28 February will go ahead."

He said the strike would cause significant inconvenience to customers.

An Aslef spokesman said: "We regret the disruption to the service and our passengers but we would not have staged the strike if there had been any alternatives."

For service updates customers are advised to check the Arriva Trains Wales website - www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk or contact National Rail Enquiries on 08457 48 49 50.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Jez on February 27, 2011, 11:05:27
Its going to be like a ghost town at Cardiff Central today and tomorrow - especially tomorrow.

Im booked onto the 0756 Neath-Manchester service (0745 off Swansea) on Tuesday so hoping it does run. Im guessing if its late or cancelled I can get the next available ATW service to Manchester despite having an advanced ticket?


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 28, 2011, 16:46:09
A video news report, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12599231):

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Rail stations in Wales deserted as train drivers strike

Train services across Wales have been severely disrupted for a second day because of a strike by drivers.

Members of Aslef at Arriva Trains Wales are staging a 24-hour walk-out in a dispute about pay.

More than 900 services have been cancelled as a result.


By the way: that seagull at the beginning of the report looks rather disappointed with no train drivers for it to attack ... (see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=8517.0) ;D


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: anthony215 on February 28, 2011, 18:00:17
There was a bit of anger today as members of the public were playing hell about there being no ATW services.

Stagecoach bus  services from the valleys into cardiff and First cymru services into Swansea & Cardiff were also doing very well.

Sadly for the ALSEF drivers it seems that  from talking to a lot of people today that this strike has backfired on them as it seems that a lot of people  are not happy with them for going on strike today.

Mind you not to be out done a few people i was talking today today while in swansea had a few choice words to say about the ATW management which i wont mention here

overall  the only winners today seem to be the bus bandits


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Jez on February 28, 2011, 18:38:50
It was strange to see only FGW 125s pass today, no DMU's. Hopefully it will all be back to normal tomorrow.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: inspector_blakey on February 28, 2011, 18:57:50
I was a bit dumbstruck by the people in the BBC article claiming they had no idea there was a strike going on. I can only assume they spend their lives with their head stuck in a bin, never reading a newspaper, listening to the radio, turning on the TV or looking on the internet. I live in America and it's been made pretty prominent on the BBC News website for the last several days, I'm amazed it was possible to live in Wales and not be aware of the strike.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Andypandy on March 01, 2011, 20:12:42
No Services on Sunday 6 March
01 March 2011
There will be no Arriva Trains Wales train services on Sunday 6th March. This is due to an overtime working ban imposed by the ASLEF union.
There will be a limited bus service to key locations throughout the network and details will be published here as soon as possible.
First Great Western, Cross County and Virgin Trains services will not be affected by this strike action.


Again!!
Coming back from Manchester to Hereford, can I use my ticket on crosscountry to Bhm then on london midland to Hereford?


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 01, 2011, 20:35:12
Most likely, but if you go to the ATW website and follow the link on the front page, there is an "FAQ" section lower down the page in which they state both that they're working on some limited rail replacement buses, and a ticket easement policy for 6 March. Check that nearer the time.

http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/Templates/News.aspx?pageid=2217 (http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/Templates/News.aspx?pageid=2217)

Presumably since ASLEF haven't got their way through striking they're now exercising their right not to work on Sundays. Which, if I was ATW management, wouldn't encourage me to give them a pay deal in which they can continue to refuse to work Sundays, if you see what I mean. ::)


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: JayMac on March 01, 2011, 20:41:28
I believe the recent action was also an overtime ban this past Sunday along with balloted strike on Monday, rather than a two day strike.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Brucey on March 02, 2011, 09:33:29
I was a bit dumbstruck by the people in the BBC article claiming they had no idea there was a strike going on. I can only assume they spend their lives with their head stuck in a bin, never reading a newspaper, listening to the radio, turning on the TV or looking on the internet. I live in America and it's been made pretty prominent on the BBC News website for the last several days, I'm amazed it was possible to live in Wales and not be aware of the strike.
I don't watch a huge amount of TV news, but I haven't seen this strike mentioned once in the last few days.  On the radio it was only mentioned on Monday as a very brief story - no mention of the extent of the strike as most coverage was on Libya.  Quite honestly, without this thread, I wouldn't be aware of the strike either.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Andypandy on March 02, 2011, 09:48:26
Bus services now added. Hopefully times that will work well with me otherwise its the Crosscountry and London midland route.
This just seems to be a regular thing with ATW and no one else. See what management come up with if anything.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 02, 2011, 15:15:00
Not unique to ATW - it's been a regular issue with several companies over the last few years... Another example that springs to mind immediately is London Midland, and Central Trains before them, where Sunday working is (was?) voluntary; they have had real problems sometimes in the run up to Christmas when drivers decide to take a Sunday to go shopping, resulting in a shortage of "volunteers" and mass cancellations. Also comes round every few years when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday.

Not difficult to see both sides of this argument really - it's easy to understand why the drivers are keen to retain their right to take a Sunday off whenever they want, but at the same time from a management and passenger point of view it's a ludicrous situation when the company is charged with delivering a seven-day service.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: matt473 on March 02, 2011, 18:54:25
This is going to cause a large number of problems with certain areas being missed out with replacement bus services whilst other villages/towns still get a service on exactly the same now. Apparently I have to travel by a local bus service 10 miles up the line to catch the replacement bus service that has to pass through the town I live to get to another designated stop at a different station. Where is the sense in this as being a limited bus service skipping busy and important local stations will cause lack of sympathy for ATW as well with the feeling that they do not care about their passangers. Looks like thanks to both parties I can not work this weekend


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 02, 2011, 19:03:04
I don't envy ATW's planners the task of trying to organize such a big replacement bus operation - it looks to me as if they've done a reasonable job under the circumstances, with plenty of routes at least partially covered. Unfortunately you can't directly replace a train with a bus calling in all the same places, for fairly obvious reasons. There will have been a huge number of compromises factored into the replacement timetable, some of them probably messy but I think ATW deserves credit for attempting to organize something halfway effective rather than simply throwing in the towel and saying "we give up".


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Andypandy on March 02, 2011, 19:07:29
Forgot all about the London Midland issue.

Of course,see it both sides,genually sympathy goes to the drivers after reading comments from drivers on the ASLEF website and then also see it from a passenger side being stuck for transport.

ASLEF comments are suggesting that Mr Lepoard of ATW is not popular at all.

And I agree,the bus services have been dealt with very well, genually have covered the main routes and good timings. Doesnt help me getting back from Manchester but have that covered I think!


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 02, 2011, 19:38:32
I'm not surprised Leppard isn't flavour of the month with ASLEF at the moment. During a radio interview last week he was asked why ATW drivers shouldn't expect to be paid comparable amounts to drivers working for English TOCs. His response was to say that this was "the difference between driving a jumbo jet and a milk float (http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/general/2011/02/25-arriva-trains-wales-braces-for.html)". Quite apart from the fact that it's a rubbish comparison (after all, there are plenty of TOCs in England whose drivers work a staple diet of regional and commuter trains with very few genuine expresses), that's a pretty spectacular case of foot in mouth. I don't think I'd be overly impressed to find myself working for a senior employee who apparently has so little respect for the work that I do.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 02, 2011, 19:59:55
Especially given that local trains require more concentration as you're constantly braking, accelerating and thinking about station stops - along with a typically more variable speed limit to keep to and often more unusual signal routings and aspects.  Express train driving is easier in many ways.  I've done both so I know what I'm talking about, even if some of the 'top link express men' might argue differently!  Driving a car along a motorway or a winding 'B' road is a comparison not too far off the mark.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 05, 2011, 18:03:54
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12650481):

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Arriva Train Wales strike on rugby day again

Drivers working for Arriva Trains Wales (ATW) are to stage a fresh 24-hour walk out on 12 March, the day of the Wales v Ireland rugby international in Cardiff.

Aslef said the stoppage by its members a week on Saturday followed the failed talks with company managers.

ATW has already said none of its services would run this Sunday due to an overtime ban by the union.

The dispute centres on a row over pay and changes to working conditions, in particular Sunday hours.

It has already seen drivers walk out last Monday.

Aslef General Secretary Keith Norman said he was "bitterly disappointed" with the company for failing to come up with an improved pay offer.

"Given the company's reluctance to change the position and the unacceptability of their previous offer, we have little choice but to take further action," he said.

ATW has said it has offered a "generous" pay rise worth 12% over two years.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Andypandy on March 08, 2011, 18:28:08
Thankfully this has been suspended with further meetings next week according to ATW website.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 09, 2011, 18:00:04
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-12686809):

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Strike talks progress as Arriva Trains Wales action off

A union says "productive talks" led to the cancellation of a train drivers' walkout to coincide with this weekend's Six Nations rugby in Cardiff.

Members of Aslef had planned the 24-hour action in a row with Arriva Trains Wales over pay and changes to working conditions, in particular Sunday hours.

It would have affected fans going to the Wales-Ireland game at the Millennium Stadium on Saturday.

The union and the train company are to hold further discussions next week.

Aslef said the talks between its general secretary Keith Norman and Arriva officials led to the strike being suspended.

An Arriva Trains Wales (ATW) spokesperson said there was "good progress" with Aslef and it plans a full service, with additional services around the match time on Saturday.

A queuing system will be in place at Cardiff Central station after the match and Queen Street station will be closed as usual after 1830 GMT.

Last month Aslef staged a 24-hour strike by drivers, meaning none of ATW's 950 services ran on 28 February.

Sunday services have also been affected by an overtime ban.


Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales drivers vote for strike action
Post by: anthony215 on March 13, 2011, 12:08:02
Seems ATW are a  bit overwelmed, by people wanting a job driving trains:

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/2011/03/13/hopefuls-aim-to-cash-in-on-train-driver-s-salary-91466-28326268/




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