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Title: Oxford English v American English
Post by: SDS on October 14, 2010, 00:58:35
Quote from: inspector_blakey, language snob
Temporary ticket office closure

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thought it was apologise anyway?


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: inspector_blakey on October 14, 2010, 01:57:24
Debatable, that one ;)

The Oxford English Dictionary comes down on the side of -ize as the preferred usage in British English in the majority of cases. Although it "looks" American (and of course is the standard spelling in American English) and this seems utterly counterintuitive, it is actually perfectly correct British English too. This has nothing to do with us supposedly adopting American spellings either: we aren't, in fact if you read anything from the late 19th/early 20th centuries you'll find -ize all over the place!

Other less definitive dictionaries though would have you believe that -ise is the standard spelling.

I'll put my anorak away now.


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: TerminalJunkie on October 14, 2010, 02:11:44
The OED prefers -ize as this suffix has its origin in Greek, while the -ise suffix has come from the original Greek via French.


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: JayMac on October 14, 2010, 02:14:56
Well, it's all Greek to me!  :P ;) ;D


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: inspector_blakey on October 14, 2010, 02:18:47
The OED prefers -ize as this suffix has its origin in Greek, while the -ise suffix has come from the original Greek via French.

Ahh. That would explain it. And also explain why the OED comes down firmly against the use of "z" in words like analyse...


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: Mookiemoo on October 14, 2010, 05:46:39
In fact most American spellings and phrases were used here - Shakespeare referred to the fall rather than autumn

It's just that when we shipped them off on the mayflower they exported the language at the time including the spellings - they were an isolated nation from the rest of the English world - ie england - we adopted some euro spellings colour for example and metre where as they kept meter - end of - ours adapted to Europe - the us English is what we used to speak so is possibly more correct

I refuse however to accept burglarized


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: JayMac on October 14, 2010, 07:21:09
...and for me it's a pavement, not a sidewalk!


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 14, 2010, 18:55:55
I refuse however to accept burglarized

Hmm.

How about 'burglariously' - used in the eighteenth century, in this country: see http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t17300513-41&div=t17300513-41&terms=burglariously#highlight

CfN.  ;) :D


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: johoare on October 14, 2010, 22:33:07
hhm.. car boot versus trunk.. they might have both evolved after the mayflower.. well I think  ;D


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: TerminalJunkie on October 14, 2010, 22:48:57
The word 'boot' is thought to be derived from 'boot-locker', a small storage area on horse-drawn carriages that the coachman would sit on.

'Trunk' is probably best explained with a picture:
http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/ModelAFord/1931_Model_A_Ford_Phaeton-sept24a.jpg (http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/ModelAFord/1931_Model_A_Ford_Phaeton-sept24a.jpg)


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: johoare on October 14, 2010, 22:57:23
ok then.. another one.. queue versus line?  ;D


Title: Re: Oxford English v American English
Post by: inspector_blakey on October 14, 2010, 23:48:45
Weirdly, a "boot" here is actually a wheel clamp. The first time I saw signs saying something along the lines of "Illegally parked vehicles will be booted" I had a strange image in my head of a traffic warden (sorry, "meter maid") walking along a line of cars and kicking the ones that didn't have a valid permit.  ::)



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