Title: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 08, 2010, 15:02:32 I took a day to sample some of the London Overground routes and other TOC's operating trains in London. Thought I'd give you all a little picture challenge of some of the locations, knowing how much you all love that sort of thing. You now know roughly where they are, but can you tell me the exact location?
1: (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4133/5061892585_f22aac1b1c_z.jpg) 2: (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5061893805_1b2732b83e_z.jpg) 3: (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/5061895053_7bebdacea5_z.jpg) 4: (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/5062506272_6a1bde51b4_z.jpg) 5: (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4125/5062507018_682dd5a825_z.jpg) 6: (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/5062507710_f87cf4d52d_z.jpg) 7: (the loneliest seat in the world) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4144/5061899041_f00773db5c_z.jpg) Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: eightf48544 on October 08, 2010, 16:09:50 One go first time 2 New Dalston Junction 3 I know 4 I know the line but don't know station 5 Is Mouthy! 6 Is really interesting, I think I know where. Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 08, 2010, 16:19:11 Crickey mate - you've managed to make your answers more obscure than the pictures! ;)
No 2. Isn't New Dalston Junction though... Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: paul7575 on October 08, 2010, 17:05:13 2. Richmond
Paul Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 08, 2010, 17:17:55 Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: paul7575 on October 08, 2010, 17:23:26 You were very lucky to catch it full of 378s, there are very few stations on LO's network (so far) where you can phot 3 units side by side...
Paul Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 08, 2010, 17:25:27 The one on the right hand side that you can just see was one of the few 4-car units currently in service on the Richmond-Stratford route. It was stabled there all the time I was there, probably coming into service for the evening peak I would imagine.
Also, notice the lack of step-boards on the front of the 378's which is to make it impossible for idiots to go surfing apparently. Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: Electric train on October 08, 2010, 17:29:55 1. Throat to Marlebone
3 Willesden Junction Low Level train is south bound towards Euston. Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: Brucey on October 08, 2010, 17:36:11 6 is probably on the new part of the East London Line, can't be anymore specific
Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: paul7575 on October 08, 2010, 17:44:32 1. Lodge Rd overbridge at start of Lords tunnels.
A bit picky this, but it's looking away from the Marylebone throat? Paul Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 08, 2010, 18:14:13 Yes, that's 1, 2 and 3 correctly identified. Not sure what the Class 150 was doing in the bay platform at Willesden Junction - which seems to have no number - but it wasn't there for long, so perhaps an ECS move? Many workers busy applying the finishing touches to the station, as there were at many locations on the route.
I also noticed that Bakerloo Line trains, which use the same platform as the Euston-Watford Overground services, have a large step up from the train to the platform level - getting on for 10 inches I would guess! Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: paul7575 on October 08, 2010, 19:22:24 I think I have another but I'll wait and see if anyone else gets it overnight...
Paul Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: grahame on October 08, 2010, 20:28:15 Out of my area these days - but what strikes me as an incredible co-incidence is that there's a train in every single picture that has trackwork - what a huge co-incidence ;) . I thought there was a train shortage - we sometimes have to wait a long time for one where I come from ...
Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: Electric train on October 08, 2010, 22:04:56 Yes, that's 1, 2 and 3 correctly identified. Not sure what the Class 150 was doing in the bay platform at Willesden Junction - which seems to have no number - but it wasn't there for long, so perhaps an ECS move? Many workers busy applying the finishing touches to the station, as there were at many locations on the route. I also noticed that Bakerloo Line trains, which use the same platform as the Euston-Watford Overground services, have a large step up from the train to the platform level - getting on for 10 inches I would guess! There is a cord between the Euston Watford Lines and the North London lines just east of Willesden Jcn low level the bay being the turn back for this and with Willesden Depot being London Overground depot now it may be where they maintain there 150's There has always been the big step at Willesden when getting off / on Bakerloo trains Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: paul7575 on October 08, 2010, 22:40:39 Oddly enough Willesden depot seems to be far better connected to the WCML slows than the Euston/Watford DC line and the NLL, I guess it used to have more of a role for the WCML in the days of Silverlink.
On the few occasions I've been there it appeared that the bay is pretty much essential to LO ECS moves on and off their routes, and as you say their 150s (and now 172s) are definitely based there. Apparently getting all their stock in and out of the depot overnight is quite an involved process - I remember reading about the problems in some TfL stuff about the future LO enhanced services. LO ECS moves off the NLL can also go around the other side of Willesden Jn low level on the freight avoiding lines (shown on the right of picture 3!) and reverse somewhere or other onto the up WCML slow - all a bit convoluted, and probably veering OT for us... Paul Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: Electric train on October 09, 2010, 08:22:23 Oddly enough Willesden depot seems to be far better connected to the WCML slows than the Euston/Watford DC line and the NLL, I guess it used to have more of a role for the WCML in the days of Silverlink. Willesden was built as a ETMD (Electric Traction Maintenance Depot) by BR it serviced the main line electric locomotives for the WCML, the rolling stock was (is) maintained at Wembley, now that the WCML operates multiple units ie Pendilenos Willesden is not needed although before LO took it over it was used by one of the FOC'sWillesden used to do some of the heavy repairs to the old Euston Watford Units and some were stabled there but as you said it is a pain getting them in and out, whether LO and NR have plans to change this in the long term I don't know. Willesden Depot was also the site of a ECR (Electrical Control Room) its control area was transfered to Rugby as part of the WCML upgrade about a decade ago Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: eightf48544 on October 09, 2010, 11:31:56 4 I think is somewhere between Acton Central and Stratford on NLL judging by O/H not third rail. Possibly one of the stations between Willesden HL and Gospel Oak. 5 I think is somewhere on the GOB hence mouthy. Possibly Upper Holloway or Crouch Hill. 6 Could be throat to Dalston Junction from South. Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 09, 2010, 11:45:35 4 I think is somewhere between Acton Central and Stratford on NLL judging by O/H not third rail. Possibly one of the stations between Willesden HL and Gospel Oak. 5 I think is somewhere on the GOB hence mouthy. Possibly Upper Holloway or Crouch Hill. 6 Could be throat to Dalston Junction from South. Correct with number 6. Almost correct with number 5 - care to gamble on which one it is out of Upper Holloway or Crouch Hill? Your guess for number 4 is pretty close too, but a little too vague! Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: eightf48544 on October 09, 2010, 12:00:08 5. I'll go for Upper Holloway as the cuttings pretty big.
4. I'll take a punt on Brondesbury Park, it looks less urban. Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 09, 2010, 12:05:03 5. I'll go for Upper Holloway as the cuttings pretty big. 4. I'll take a punt on Brondesbury Park, it looks less urban. Bad luck on number 5, but well done anyway - it's Crouch Hill! Number 4 isn't Brodesbury Park. So, to summarise: 1) Just outside Marylebone 2) Richmond 3) Willesden Junction Low Level 4) Gospel Oak 5) Crouch Hill 6) Dalston Junction 7) Yet to be identified! Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: paul7575 on October 09, 2010, 12:29:52 4. I think the rh curve and falling gradient is abought right for Gospel Oak - so the unit is in the westbound NLL platform, the juction with the GOB being behind the photographer?
Paul Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 09, 2010, 12:33:02 Correct, Paul - well done. You can clearly see the extension to the westbound platform to allow for the 4-car 378's to stop. The eastbound platform is already plenty long enough, though the majority of other platforms on the route have had to get similar extensions.
Title: Re: London area picture challenge Post by: IndustryInsider on October 14, 2010, 20:55:16 Well, we appear to have drawn a blank with picture 7. The lonesome seat is at Wembley Stadium station, by the lift, so presumably placed there for the elderly to rest whilst waiting the lift?
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