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Title: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: JayMac on July 23, 2010, 12:28:11
From the Daily Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/7905376/Unprofitable-rail-services-could-be-axed-under-Government-proposals.html):

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Rail passengers could see fewer trains under Government proposals to overhaul the industry. Services on some lines would run less frequently, could have fewer carriages and stop at fewer stations. The proposals are contained in a Government consultation document on rail franchising.  While operators would be free to cut back services on unprofitable routes, they would also be given freedom to shift staff and trains to where there is greater demand.

In opposition the Conservatives accused the Labour Government of acting like a ^fat controller^ in Whitehall, dictating which services should be run and when.

The consultation, aimed at stimulating private investment in the industry, would give operators a greater say on what services they wish to run as well as offering longer franchises.

^We are also considering whether further flexibility could be provided so that operators could reduce service frequency or change calling patterns if planned demand did not materialise,^ the consultation document says. ^This would enable them to deploy the trains or staff on routes with higher demand.^

But critics fear this would lead to train companies cherry-picking the most profitable routes and cutting back on services which are less lucrative. The proposals were condemned by Stephen Joseph, executive director of the Campaign for Better Transport, an environmental lobbying group. He voiced alarm that it could make it too easy for operators to cut unprofitable services and shorten trains.

^Passengers will end up blaming the Government for these cuts. Although the railway cannot be frozen, changes have to be made which are not just about short-term financial gain.^

Sadiq Khan, the shadow Transport Secretary, said the Government should not be cutting services.

'It's clear that under these proposals we could see some train operators cherry picking the best routes while neglecting the less profitable ones, with towns across the country seeing their rail services downgraded.

Bob Crow, general secretary of the RMT transport union, said the document gave the green light to rail companies to exploit the travelling public.

^It is clear that by flexibility the train operators take that to mean that they can chop back services to suit them and concentrate on profitable routes. It also appears that the franchise holders will be able to alter calling patterns and cut out station stops as they see fit.^

Anthony Smith, the chief executive of the consumer watchdog, Passenger Focus, accepted that flexibility had to be built into the system.

^However, any substantive change must follow public consultation. We would be worried if this happens behind closed doors,^

The proposals were welcomed by the Association of Train Operating Companies.

^The Government is absolutely right to point out that franchising has become too prescriptive and limits operational flexibility at the expense of passengers and taxpayers,^ a spokesman said. ^On the right terms, longer and more flexible franchises, with clear commitments on service quality, would allow train operators to deliver improvements more quickly, help drive down costs and open the door to more private sector investment.^

A Department for Transport spokesman defended the plans last night.

^We are keen to give operators more control to provide services where they are needed,^ he said. ^However, we recognise that some services are socially important but not commercially viable Therefore, we will continue to specify services where appropriate.^


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Electric train on July 23, 2010, 17:01:19
The specter of Marples and the ghost of Beeching


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Btline on July 23, 2010, 17:56:01
Not a fan. >:(

Almost every policy this new Tory Gov has come out with has been bad news or rubbish. Last quarter we had the best growth since 1999 (thanks to Labour) which is going to be destroyed by Tory early cuts.

No doubt the locals whose services are to be axed can all chip in ^50 to keep the service going - all part of the Tory's "Big Society". All part of the Conservative vision of no public services - they HAVEN'T changed!

5 years can't go quick enough...


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: devon_metro on July 23, 2010, 17:58:39

Almost every policy this new Tory Gov has come out with has been bad news or rubbish. Last quarter we had the best growth since 1999 (thanks to Labour) which is going to be destroyed by Tory early cuts.



Expect a call from my solicitor asking for damages having just fallen off my chair and sustained injuries!  :o :o :o :o


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Btline on July 23, 2010, 18:02:52
As far as I know, the Tories weren't in power in April! It was Brown and Darlings policies (i.e. Labour) that got this economy going again.

Osborne has failed to grasp the simple fact that if he makes millions unemployed, people won't go out and spend, and we'll go back into recession! It's all right for him to sit in an office and strike x people off here and y people off there and say it will reduce the deficit - this will have a big effect!


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Electric train on July 23, 2010, 22:50:56
Found this Spitting Image clip on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFcBRHC9MV0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFcBRHC9MV0&feature=related)
 ;D
Fill circle  >:(


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on July 23, 2010, 23:33:10
what quiet lines??? or are they going to make lines quiet by cutting services to a couple a day...remind you of anywhere


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 23, 2010, 23:37:44
Erm ... the ghost of Beeching, the spectre of Marples ??  :o


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Btline on July 23, 2010, 23:44:44
what quiet lines???

Heart of Wales - it's quicker (and cheaper!) travelling via Cardiff.


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: inspector_blakey on July 24, 2010, 04:42:25
Quicker via Cardiff? Possibly.

Cheaper? No. Sorry, wrong on that one. My version of Avantix traveller is a little out of date but it shows for Shrewsbury to Swansea an off-peak return at ^35.80 (route Llandovery) or at ^46.30 (route Newport).

Found this Spitting Image clip on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFcBRHC9MV0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFcBRHC9MV0&feature=related)

Brilliant! For anyone not familiar with the (actually rather impressive) BR advert that Spitting Image are spoofing, you can find it here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igcesxk3Is0). If you're using headphones, beware a single sudden static "blip" at 1:39!


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: JayMac on July 24, 2010, 08:46:01
On my local line, the Severn Beach, I think that cuts in off peak service can be justified (pipe down at the back!).

Off peak, the loadings are nothing to shout about. I would suggest reverting to an hourly service between 10am and 4pm.

Since the introduction of the 3 every 2 hours service, patronage has increased but trains are rarely even half full in the off peak.





Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Electric train on July 24, 2010, 09:02:01
A song that Hammond and Cameron should rewrite and the duet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6OHD2uCpfU&feature=PlayList&p=B66AB2ADC2425381&playnext=1&index=15 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6OHD2uCpfU&feature=PlayList&p=B66AB2ADC2425381&playnext=1&index=15)

There is a fine balance between to be had, providing a regular service means that people will use the train because they know it is usable and a random or infrequent time tabled service.  Problem with the random or infrequent time table its easy for those services to be canceled as they are an inconvenience to NR and TOC the unreliability deters passengers.  Two examples Transwilts and Oxford Islip / Biscester services both suffered low patronage due to poor provision of services, one has had rejuvenation in its time table one has not, one has seen vast increase in patronage the other could well be added to the above song.


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Henry on July 24, 2010, 11:53:31
''they would also be given freedom to shift staff and trains to where there is greater demand.''

 I find this part of the policy quite interesting, excuse my ignorance but are train crew trained to work over an entire region.?

 Do local government still subsidise certain routes, or will central government take overal responsibility ?

 I'm not surprised ATOC are delighted, In my opinion, the less profitable off peak services would be hit.
 Arguably rail companies would not need to lease as many trains, and possibly less staff to run services.

 ''^We are keen to give operators more control to provide services where they are needed,^ he said. ^However, we recognise that some services are socially important but not commercially viable Therefore, we will continue to specify services where appropriate.^

 So what does take priority  'socially important' = 'commercially viable'  ?

 
 

 


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: woody on July 24, 2010, 11:55:24
Found this Spitting Image clip on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFcBRHC9MV0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFcBRHC9MV0&feature=related)
 ;D
Fill circle  >:(
That Spitting Image clip is turning out to be very prophetic unfortunately.You have to be blind not to see it.However as the old saying goes "There are nought so blind as those who do not want to see".
 Not sure anymore where all this is going to lead but at this moment in time its not looking good railwaywise.
 


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: matt473 on July 24, 2010, 15:31:49
what quiet lines???

Heart of Wales - it's quicker (and cheaper!) travelling via Cardiff.

Actually the line is pretty much safe, however not for the right rason. It is only safe as it passes through many marginal constituencies so any one wishing to close it would be commiting political suicide in the region. It won't however recieve the improvements it deserves to make it a useful and potentially profitable service in regards to making it a commuter friendly service


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Lee on July 24, 2010, 16:03:38
As you can imagine, I've been aware for quite some time that proposals such as this could be put forward. As a result, I've been looking at what the consequences of implementing such a policy would be, and others have been doing the same.

One such view of what the situation could be if the policy was already in force may well interest you. It is expressed in the form of a purely fictional TOC briefing paper, and the administrators of this forum will confirm that it was submitted to them privately on 10 June 2010:

Quote from: Purely fictional TOC briefing paper
Phase 1 - West Fleet Operating Area Review

The Department for Transport (DfT) require financial savings from all franchises, and as part of that process, they have asked us to reduce the size of our train fleet. This will be achieved mainly through our participation in the Pacer Retirement Programme (PRP), which also aims to remove the least effective rolling stock from the national rail network.

Current West Fleet

7 x 2-Coach Class 142 Units.
8 x 2-Coach Class 143 Units.
23 x 2-Coach Class 150 Units.
12 x 1-Coach Class 153 Units.
6 x 2-Coach Class 158 Units.
11 x 3-Coach Class 158 Units.

Proposed Rolling Stock In

15 x 2-Coach Class 150 Units (from DfT-agreed rolling stock cascade)

Proposed Rolling Stock Out

7 x 2-Coach Class 142 Units (retired through the PRP)
8 x 2-Coach Class 143 Units (retired through the PRP)
4 x 2-Coach Class 150 Units (returned to Arriva Trains Wales)
1 x 2-Coach Class 158 Unit (returned to South West Trains)

Proposed West Fleet After Adjustment

34 x 2-Coach Class 150 Units.
12 x 1-Coach Class 153 Units.
5 x 2-Coach Class 158 Units.
11 x 3-Coach Class 158 Units.

2 Loco-hauled trains will also be taken off-hire. High Speed Train and Night Riviera deployments in the West Fleet area will remain as present.

Extra Carriages On Greater Bristol Peak Services

The DfT Rolling Stock Plan is on hold pending review, but overcrowding remains a significant issue on a number of services. As a result, we will provide extra carriages from within our remaining rolling stock resources on the following Greater Bristol peak services:

0600 Exeter St Davids-Bristol Parkway.
0640 Weymouth-Bristol Parkway.
0711 Gloucester-Swindon (between Gloucester-Bristol Temple Meads).
0730 Cardiff Central-Portsmouth Harbour (between Cardiff Central-Bristol Temple Meads).
0737 Weston-super-Mare-Cardiff Central (between Weston-super-Mare-Bristol Temple Meads).
0800 Cardiff Central-Paignton (between Cardiff Central-Bristol Temple Meads).
1300 Brighton-Great Malvern (between Bristol Temple Meads-Gloucester).
1441 Westbury-Gloucester (between Bristol Temple Meads-Gloucester).
1442 Gloucester-Westbury (between Bristol Temple Meads-Westbury).
1451 Great Malvern-Weymouth (between Bristol Temple Meads-Westbury).
1616 Taunton-Cardiff Central (between Bristol Temple Meads-Cardiff Central).
1638 Westbury-Gloucester.
1642 Gloucester-Weymouth (between Gloucester-Westbury).
1645 Bristol Parkway-Warminster.
1700 Cardiff Central-Taunton.
1712 Bristol Parkway-Weston-super-Mare.
1746 Bristol-Parkway-Westbury.

In order to facilitate the above, and to further contribute towards the financial savings required by the DfT, the following service revisions will be implemented:

St Erth-St Ives

Rail services on this route will be suspended until further notice. Bus connections will be available at St Erth via the 17/17A/17B First service.

Penzance-Plymouth-Newton Abbot Corridor

Service pattern will remain broadly unchanged, but the following stations will be served on a peak-only basis:

Devonport
Dockyard
Hayle
Keyham
Lostwithiel
Menheniot
Saltash
St Budeaux Ferry Road
St Germans

Truro-Falmouth

Service pattern will remain broadly unchanged, financially supported by Cornwall County Council.

Liskeard-Looe

Rail services on this route will be suspended until further notice. Bus connections will be available at Liskeard via the 573 Western Greyhound service.

Plymouth-Gunnislake & Par-Newquay

Plymouth-Gunnislake services will operate on a peak-only basis. The same unit will provide a limited off-peak Par-Newquay service, similar to the pre-December 2008 pattern.

Exmouth-Exeter-Paignton

An hourly off-peak service will be provided, calling at Exmouth, Lympstone Village, Topsham, Digby & Sowton, Exeter Central, Exeter St Davids, Dawlish, Teignmouth, Newton Abbot, Torre, Torquay and Paignton. Additional services will operate during the peak, calling at all stations.

Exeter-Barnstaple

A service every 3 hours off-peak will be provided, financially supported by Devon County Council, calling at Exeter Central, Exeter St Davids, Crediton, Yeoford, Copplestone, Morchard Road, Eggesford, Umberleigh and Barnstaple. Additional services will operate during the peak, calling at all stations.

Taunton-Cardiff

Service pattern will remain broadly unchanged.

Weston-Bristol Parkway & Severn Beach Line

Hourly services will continue to be provided from Weston-super-Mare to Filton Abbey Wood and Bristol Parkway during the peak, but will operate from Weston-super-Mare to Clifton Down during the off-peak, calling at all stations in each case and in each direction. This forms part of the new Severn Beach Line off-peak timetable, which maintains a 3 trains every 2 hours frequency. This will consist of 2 trains along the more heavily used section from Bristol Temple Meads to Clifton Down, with the other being extended to Avonmouth and Severn Beach, financially supported by Bristol City Council. During the peak and late evening, the current Severn Beach Line timetable will continue to apply.

Great Malvern/Worcester/Gloucester-Bristol-Westbury-Weymouth/Southampton/Brighton & TransWilts Line

Service pattern will remain broadly unchanged from Great Malvern/Worcester/Gloucester to Bristol and Westbury, although off-peak southbound calls at Stapleton Road & Lawrence Hill will be removed (replaced by the new off-peak Clifton Down-Weston service, see above), and Avoncliff & Freshford will be served on a peak-only basis.

Service extensions towards Weymouth will be provided on a peak-only basis, with occasional additional calls provided at Castle Cary and Frome in other services. Off-peak service provision at Yeovil Pen Mill, Castle Cary and Frome may be partially restored from December 2011 with the introduction of the Go! Co-operative Yeovil Junction-Oxford service. This will also provide additional services during both the peak and off-peak for Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham and Swindon.

Off-peak local services towards Warminster, Salisbury and Southampton will be withdrawn. As a result, Dilton Marsh will be served on a peak-only basis.

Due to the withdrawal of the South West Trains Romsey-Southampton-Salisbury service, limited peak calls will be made in our services at Millbrook, Redbridge, Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge.

An additional off-peak Brighton service extension in each direction will be provided.

Portsmouth-Cardiff

Service pattern will remain broadly unchanged, with 1 peak service in each direction calling additionally at Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge (see above).

Swindon-Cheltenham

Service pattern will remain broadly unchanged.

If you dont want such a future to become reality, then the answer appears simple - respond to the consultation and tell them so.

Personally though, I hope that the above doesnt come to pass. It is also fair to say that I have been pleasantly surprised by how helpful organisations such as FGW, the DfT and Wiltshire Council have been during the TransWilts Community Rail Partnership set-up process, and that the consultation has the potential to shape a positive future if we can steer it away from a negative one.

Here's one of my initial TWCRP/STT briefings:

Quote from: Lee
When formulating our responses to the Rail Value For Money Review and the Future Of Rail Franchising Policy Consultation , I decided to first look at exactly what it is we want from the future of rail franchising ^ ie What type of future rail service do we want any reformed system to deliver for us?

The Network Rail Great Western Route Utilisation Strategy (http://tinyurl.com/ydthe3x) recommended an hourly Westbury-Swindon service, as part of an enhanced overall Greater Bristol Metro suburban rail network concept.

Such a service would undoubtably have a heavy focus on out-commuting ^ and indeed 24% of employed Wiltshire residents currently commute to outside the county, often to higher paid professional and managerial jobs in Bath and Swindon in particular, with official DfT data (http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7968.msg12889#msg12889) showing the TransWilts corridor as one of the top 50 commuting trips into and out of Local Authority Districts in the South West, and high forecast future delays on parallel sections of the A350.

An improved TransWilts service of this nature would clearly have a key role to play in providing a quicker, more relaxing, lower-carbon and lower-congestion alternative to the car for those commuters currently making such trips. Also, as Graham Ellis points out in his own analysis (http://www.wellho.net/mouth/2853_Transport-in-Wessex-today-and-into-the-future.html), taking the train on such journeys is far more conducive to a ^mobile office^ environment when compared to taking the car.

Out-commuting will remain an important factor in the future as well, growing as the forthcoming period of austerity and slow economic growth leads people to travel further to find work as jobs are cut.

However, when deciding what type of future rail service we want, it is crucial that we also take into account how society in Wiltshire as a whole is likely to change over the coming years.

A good barometer of this is the Wiltshire Community Plan. (http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/communityandliving/communityplan.htm) One of its objectives seeks to mitigate the current and future effects of out-commuting to jobs outside the county through the generation of sufficient numbers and types of jobs and the creation of local work facilities to attract these people back to working locally.

Another is to strengthen the connectivity of the county, partly through the development of low carbon transport options, especially with respect to the main commuting corridors. An improved TransWilts service has the potential to significantly contribute to this, linking as it potentially could the four largest population centres in Wiltshire, namely Salisbury, Trowbridge, Chippenham and Melksham, and also serving other sizeable towns at Warminster and Westbury.

A further objective is to agree a way forward where all can contribute to achieving a major shift to sustainable transport, such as walking, cycling and the use of public transport for local trips, especially in the larger settlements of Trowbridge, Chippenham, and Salisbury. Again, an improved TransWilts service has the potential to significantly contribute to this, given that people from these locations combined make up around 32% of the total number who have so far signed up in support of an improved TransWilts service. (http://www.transwilts.org.uk/sf.html)

Last but not least, tackling climate change is listed as a key priority. According to figures on the South West Observatory website (http://www.swo.org.uk/), Wiltshire was the only county in the south west actually to increase its total CO2 emissions 2005-2007, the most significant increase being in West Wiltshire which had the highest per capita emissions - 27% of the county total. Once again, an improved TransWilts service has the potential to significantly contribute towards combating this. For example, comparative CO2 emissions from Trowbridge to Swindon are as follows - Car 7.4 - 14.9kg, Coach 5.1 kg, Train 3.9kg.

Therefore, it is clear that future changes in Wiltshire society as a whole as they relate to the TransWilts will involve a balance of competing priorities, and any future rail service along the corridor will have to reflect this.

As a result, I have selected the hourly Westbury-Swindon service recommended by the RUS as a base, with some extensions towards Warminster and Salisbury provided by utilising existing rolling stock. This would provide a step-change in terms of service provision along the entire TransWilts Salisbury-Swindon corridor, whilst also providing excellent connections for those travelling further afield to destinations such as Bath, Bristol and London. As well as this, relatively poorly served TransWilts stations such as Melksham and Dilton Marsh would see a significant increase in terms of service levels and journey opportunities.

The indicative timetable is also fully compliant with Greater Bristol Metro-based RUS recommendations such as additional hourly Bristol-Bath/Bristol-Yate services, and also additional services along the Bristol-Westbury corridor, along with extra carriages to relieve overcrowding. Indeed, the proposed improved TransWilts services would in themselves help to relieve overcrowding on Portsmouth-Cardiff services, by removing ^Bath Dogleg^ journeys. For example, Trowbridge-London would be significantly quicker by changing at Swindon, than it would be by changing at Bath Spa.

Frome is not forgotten either, with additional services and a decent range of connections. In the wider context, the indicative timetable has the potential to transform the usefulness of the Heart of Wessex Line Ranger ticket, which is valid for a days unlimited travel after 0825 on Monday-Fridays and all day on Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays on the Weymouth-Westbury-Bath-Bristol, Bath-Chippenham-Swindon and Westbury-Swindon routes. The indicative timetable would link all three with useful connections and thus provide a range of new journey and day out opportunities.

Given the likely need to pool resources due to constraints on external funding, this could be promoted in conjunction with the Heart Of Wessex Rail Partnership (http://www.heartofwessex.org.uk/) through shared initiatives such as joint Line Guides (http://www.heartofwessex.org.uk/exploring.html), building on our emerging co-operation on projects such as the Westbury Station Adoption Group Project. (http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8202.msg13275#msg13275)

Overall, one thing that stakeholders along the route have consistently agreed on is that any improved TransWilts service should form a multi-purpose link, not one dependent on any one particular aspect. I believe that the indicative timetable acheives this, and it can be found at http://atrebatia.info/spread/RUS25.xls

However, it is important to bear in mind that the above is just my own take. Recent quote from Philip Hammond, Transport Secretary, from his speech to the National Rail Conference (http://www.dft.gov.uk/press/speechesstatements/speeches/hammond20100709):

^Believe me, this is a consultation that really matters.^

He^s right. It will shape the future of rail for years to come.

Therefore, it is vital that as many of you as possible put forward your views, so I can make the TWCRP/STT responses as reflective of the views of its members as I possibly can.


Dont forget also that the Future Of Rail Franchising Policy Consultation‏ is fully open to the public until 18 October 2010, so you can send your own personal responses as well - see http://www.dft.gov.uk/consultations/open/2010-28/ for further details.

As I proceed with formulating our TWCRP/STT responses, more posts on its different aspects will follow that I would welcome your opinion on. In my next one, and in the context of the Rail Value For Money Review, I will seek to demonstrate how introducing station improvements at Melksham (new station building, car park, bus/rail interchange etc) along with an hourly Westbury-Swindon service with some extensions south towards Salisbury would pay for for itself through increased revenue over a 20-year franchise period. I will also seek to demonstrate how the very high car ownership levels in Wiltshire as a whole, and the fact that the TransWilts corridor is right at the very top in terms of forecast growth in car ownership 2006 to 2026 in the South West, can be harnessed in a positive manner in order to help achieve this.

Interestingly, the initial reaction of campaigners and others that I have contacted has bordered on weary resignation - "They're going to do it anyway, so what's the point in responding?"

They may be right, but my message would be that the consultation offers people both the chance to speak out against a negative rail future, and the chance to put forward their own positive ideas and vision.

If people dont take that chance, then they'll never know.


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: Btline on July 24, 2010, 20:44:36
Cheaper? No. Sorry, wrong on that one. My version of Avantix traveller is a little out of date but it shows for Shrewsbury to Swansea an off-peak return at ^35.80 (route Llandovery) or at ^46.30 (route Newport).

Ok - BUT - when I travelled on the line 5ish years ago, a ROVER (the circluar - valid via HoW and Cardiff) was cheaper than a return from Craven Arms to Swansea via HoW (as was going via Cardiff).

So they must have reduced the price recently to get more pax. Good move!


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: basset44 on July 25, 2010, 13:02:18
Hi Btline,

Heart of Wales Rover still valid and excellent value at 28.00

http://www.arrivatrainswales.co.uk/HeartOfWalesRanger/

Basset


Title: Re: Unprofitable rail services could be axed under Govt plans (Telegraph 23/07/2010)
Post by: vacman on July 28, 2010, 11:48:45
"St Erth-St Ives

Rail services on this route will be suspended until further notice. Bus connections will be available at St Erth via the 17/17A/17B First service."

That would be a laugh anytime from March to October! the 17 was taking around about an hour and a half to get from Carbis bay to Penzance yesterday due to the traffic, meanwhile the 4 car full and standing service on the branch was running to time all day!




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