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Title: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Lee on September 29, 2007, 15:24:54
A ^30m project to develop an historic former narrow gauge railway line in Exmoor national park has been unveiled (link below.)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/devon/7018960.stm

The Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Trust is hoping to extend the existing line by 14.4km.

One mile of the line , which closed in 1935 , was recently reopened by the trust for historic trips.

Funding bids will be put forward to the European Regional Development Fund , Heritage Funding.

The trust also plans to build a park and ride facility to encourage people to leave their cars outside the national park and use the railway for travel to Lynton.

It believes the project could return ^70m within five years.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 08, 2011, 19:32:10
I'm aware that I'm resurrecting a rather old topic here - but it's good news, after all.  :)

From barnstaplepeople (http://www.barnstaplepeople.co.uk/Rail-group-track-expansion/story-14079348-detail/story.html):

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Rail group on track for expansion

The Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Trust is two steps closer to restoring the disused line to Blackmoor Gate thanks to a ^36,000 grant and an acquisition of land.

Exmoor National Park Authority announced it was giving the trust ^36,000 out of the Exmoor National Park Partnership Fund at the end of last month.

As well as this Devon County Council has transferred the ownership of land near the Parracombe bypass on the A39.

Tony Nicholson, from the trust said: "We paid Devon County Council a small sum for the piece of track bed at Parracombe but part of the deal was we, at the trust, would look after the picnic site in future. The county council still owns the picnic site, which lies between the trackbed and the A39 and has been rather neglected in recent years."

County Councillor Andrea Davis said: "The Lynton and Barnstaple Railway is a great project and the county council will always try to help the trust where possible, like in this instance."

It is expected the track will be extended to Blackmoor Gate within the next five years and completing this stage of the project is estimated to cost ^5 million.

Mr Nicholson added: "A station at Blackmoor Gate will enable visitors to park their cars there and ride into the national park without damaging in any way the beauty and tranquillity they have come to enjoy. But before the line can be extended the railway needs planning permission to do so and a Transport and Works Act Order from the Department for Transport to allow it to cross any public highway. These permissions in turn require the completion of a number of expensive surveys before they can be approved. The grant from the national park's partnership fund will go towards the completion of surveys such as topographical surveys and environmental impact assessments."

Clearing of the track bed at Parracombe has already begun with the trust's volunteers working hard over recent weekends in order to clear over 75 years of vegetation growth since the original railway closed in 1935.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Phil on December 08, 2011, 19:48:38
Great news! I know the Parracombe stretch really well, having had (as it were) a girlfriend who lived there back in the early 1980s. Her father had worked on the line and told me many stories.

I do believe the Nescafe coffee couple from the fondly remembered TV ads from several years ago live in the house now!

I seem to remember the Railway Trust will have to do some considerable bridge and maybe even embankment building to make this a reality, but I wish them all the very best from the bottom of my heart.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Plymboi on December 09, 2011, 17:32:15
Would this be for passenger services (National Rail) or hertiage


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Phil on December 09, 2011, 18:13:26
Heritage.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 10, 2011, 00:57:32
For full details of the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway, visit their website (http://www.lynton-rail.co.uk/).  :)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on December 14, 2011, 20:57:57
Am a member of the Trust. There is a huge amount of work going on behind the scenes for the push towards Blackmore Gate (from the Killington Lane temporary terminus).

Exmoor Associates are also making steady progress in acquiring trackbed south of Blackmore Gate. Together with the Trust, 20% of the original line has now been purchased, with more under negotiation.

All donations welcome ;)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: JayMac on December 14, 2011, 21:40:42
I'm not in a position to make a donation at present, Umberleigh (tis Crimbo coming up don't'cha know?) but I'd like to wish you and your fellow Trust members great success going forward....

Merry Christmas  ;D


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 01, 2012, 18:15:52
From the Western Morning News (http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/story-16239492-detail/story.html?):

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Michael Portillo backs little line's big expansion plan

Michael Portillo has paid a visit to Woody Bay Station on the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway while filming for his next series of Great British Railway Journeys.

The broadcaster and former Conservative cabinet minister delighted volunteers and holidaymakers with his ^unassuming affability^, according to a spokesman for the railway^s trust.

​(http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275779/Article/images/16239492/3832437.png)
Michael Portillo during a break in filming at Woody Bay Station in North Devon. The programme is scheduled to be shown on BBC2 next January

Mr Portillo also wished the trust success in its plans to extend the line.

The Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Trust is drawing up a planning application to extend the railway from its present one mile of operation to nine miles.

The extended line would run from Caffyns near Lynton to Blackmoor Gate and Wistlandpound Reservoir.

Eventually the trust hopes to extend the line back into Lynton and all the way to Barnstaple.

Drop-in events are currently being held as part of the public consultation into the application. The next will be at the Calvert Trust Discovery Centre on Saturday, June 9.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: RichardB on June 01, 2012, 21:49:46
Mr Portillo was spotted at Exeter Central on the Friday morning getting off a train from Barnstaple. Suspect this programme will be the L&B plus the Atlantic Coast Express. 

Look forward to seeing it.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 01, 2012, 22:30:12
Did Mr Portillo recognise you, Richard?  ;D


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on June 02, 2012, 14:01:27
Labour leader Ed Milliband was also at Woody bay a few weeks ago with his young son, enjoyed his visit by all accounts.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: RichardB on June 03, 2012, 19:47:09
Did Mr Portillo recognise you, Richard?  ;D

 :D    It wasn't me who saw him.......


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 03, 2012, 23:14:28
Here is the link to Ed Miliband's visit, as repoted in the North Devon Journal (http://www.thisisnorthdevon.co.uk/Labour-Party-leader-buys-ticket-ride/story-15802531-detail/story.html):

PEOPLE arriving for a ride on the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway on Sunday were not expecting to be sitting next to the leader of the Labour Party.

But that is exactly what happened.
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 ON BOARD: Ed Miliband with his family on the steam train at Woody Bay Station.@ Picture: David Powell
(Sorry - couldn't figure out how to do the pictures).

Ed Miliband arrived at Woody Bay station with his wife Justine and two sons while he was on an Easter break in North Devon.

The family enjoyed the train ride before having tea at the station's tea rooms.

Mr Miliband also introduced one of his sons, Daniel, to the train driver, Pete Williams.

Mr Williams, 65, has been driving the trains for five years but was not expecting to meet one of the country's leading politicians as part of his role.

He said: "Mr Miliband felt we were doing a good job. He seemed a smashing chap but we were mostly focused on his little 'un."

Tony Nicholson, who is the publicity officer for the railway and was also at the station, said: "I asked him if the boys liked trains and he said they always liked going to a heritage railway when they were on holiday."

Journal Match of the Week sports columnist David Powell happened to be in the same carriage as Mr Miliband with his wife, Beverley, and grandson, Sacha.

Mr Powell, who lives in Parracombe, asked Mr Miliband what he thought of the attraction and its plans for the line to extended up to Parracombe. Mr Miliband told him: "My son Daniel, in particular, is a fan of the steam railway, so we have been here once before.

"It's a great experience, we have really enjoyed it. The volunteers are fantastic keeping it going.

"It's a great attraction and a great day out for the kids. I think the plans for the future are very exciting."


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: stebbo on July 16, 2012, 21:38:43
Mr. Milliband has also been seen in recent months with his children on the footplate at Winchcombe on the Gloucestershire and Warwickshire.

What bets on (supposed) further railway investment in the next Labour manifesto?


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on September 18, 2012, 19:22:37
Pleased to be able to report that the L&BR are now in a position to acquire another, significant section of trackbed. Location is members-only at this moment, so you'll get no more from me  ;)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on September 18, 2012, 19:44:15
Pleased to be able to report that the L&BR are now in a position to acquire another, significant section of trackbed. Location is members-only at this moment, so you'll get no more from me  ;)

Woo-hoo! I shall ask in the pub....


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on October 30, 2012, 20:49:15
Urge all of you with an interest to visit the L&BR website:

http://www.lynton-rail.co.uk

There you will find details of the Extension Appeal and other exciting news  :)

It may seem a bit quiet up North but a huge amount is going on behind the scenes and - funds permitting - the railway will not be long in breaking out beyond Killington Lane...


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 22, 2013, 21:27:29
Very amused by the understatement in this comment on the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway's website (http://www.lynton-rail.co.uk/page/timetable-train-service-information)

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We do not operate trains to either Lynton or Barnstaple. The rail service to these two destinations is currently suspended pending reconstruction of the railway.


Perchance it is not dead indeed. Peter Miles, Lynton & Barnstaple Railway Trust Chairman, is quoted in Steam Railway (Issue 415) as saying:

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It's now unstoppable... it's not 'whether', but 'how' and 'when'.


Let's hope he's right!



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on July 23, 2013, 22:23:41
Fair play to them! I know a couple of the leading lights in this, and they refuse to countenance anything other than reinstatement of the route. Next to West of England Partnership's feeble efforts, they seem titans of public transport.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2015, 09:11:36
http://m.westernmorningnews.co.uk/8216-Bullying-8217-row-land-derail-plans-extend/story-26384992-detail/story.html

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A landowner is hoping to derail ambitious plans to extend a steam railway.

Louise Grob owns land alongside the trackbed of the old narrow gauge railway on the outskirts of Barnstaple, which now runs between Woody Bay and Killington Lane Halt.

and

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The plans were unveiled at a public meeting last Saturday. The trust would also restore the railway stations at Blackmoor and Parracombe, and create an engineering centre and rolling-stock sheds at Blackmoor Gate. Planning applications will be submitted shortly to the Exmoor National Park and North Devon planning authorities.

The ^16 million project could create about 80 jobs in the area, and is supported by local councillors, businesses and landowners, Ian Cowling, Lynton and Barnstaple Railway trustee, said.

Mrs Grob said: "We are appalled at the idea that not only will they try to compulsorily purchase our land but will also turn the Western Gate to our national park into something more akin to a theme park.

She claimed the supporters were using bullying tactics to try to acquire the properties they need.

Mr Cowling denied he had used bullying tactics. He said there had been three previous public meetings and he had sent out 500 invitations to local residents to last Saturday's meeting. He said he had arranged three face-to-face meetings with Mrs Grob, but she had cancelled them all.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 27, 2015, 09:40:28
You can see the proposed plans here: http://www.lynton-rail.co.uk/story/lynton-barnstaple-railway-public-consultation-saturday-18th-april

Oh, and a bit of background information on the Grobs:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/3342564/Pioneers-who-blazed-a-trail-to-the-West.html


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: trainer on April 27, 2015, 12:34:43
Much similar exaggerated language as reported to have come from the lips of Mrs Grob was used against the West Highland Railway restoration.  Apparently there is going to be 'the demolition of many homes' if the plans go ahead.  Not on the plans as submitted there isn't.  Wonderful example of hysterical vapours - presumably in the spirit of 'heritage'!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on April 27, 2015, 13:20:23
I can only see mention of demolition of a 2-bedroom bungalow, to be replaced by two houses, one affordable, one not. Have I missed something?


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2015, 16:31:11
I did a bit of research too .. and found Tam Tim Grob (http://www.tinyurbankitchen.com/tab-tim-grob-rubies-in-coconut-milk/) who I thought must be a family member until I clicked on the link.   Couldn't find much on West (or Welsh?) Highland issues.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: trainer on April 27, 2015, 22:10:47
Of course I meant the Welsh Highland...apologies. (Can't find the 'embarrassed' emoticon.)  They were still subject to some vociferous opposition even after trains started running.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: chuffed on April 28, 2015, 08:37:12
Are you absolutely sure that the aforementioned Mrs Grob really does have an 'r' in her surname ? ::)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on April 29, 2015, 16:36:51
I did a bit of research too .. and found Tam Tim Grob (http://www.tinyurbankitchen.com/tab-tim-grob-rubies-in-coconut-milk/) who I thought must be a family member until I clicked on the link.   Couldn't find much on West (or Welsh?) Highland issues.


Looks tasty, although I love the instructions for the water chestnuts:

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...soak them in water for 10 minutes first before soaking...

Reminds me of Spike Milligan "There was a short pause, followed immediately by a longer one"


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on January 28, 2016, 18:49:00
Plans submitted for ^16m extention to L&B Railway:

http://www.northdevonjournal.co.uk/Plans-submitted-16-million-extension-Lynton/story-28606416-detail/story.html#ixzz3yNtyipdX


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 01, 2016, 00:26:23
Many thanks for posting that welcome update, johnneyw!  :)

I was so delighted with the news that I've taken the opportunity to copy the whole of that North Devon Journal article here, for future reference:

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Plans submitted for ^16 million extension of Lynton and Barnstaple Railway

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A Lynston and Barnstaple Railway steam engine at Woody Bay

Plans to extend Lynton and Barnstaple Railway have moved one step closer to reality.

As part of a ^16 million expansion of the line, the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Trust wish to extend it by four miles to Wistlandpound Reservoir and restore the railway stations at Blackmoor and Parracombe.

This week, the Trust's outline application, which includes plans for an engineering centre and rolling-stock sheds at Blackmoor Gate, was submitted to North Devon Council.

A spokesman for the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Trust, Tony Nicholson, said: "If the planning applications are approved the extension of the line will provide a major boost to the tourist industry of North Devon. It will directly support 24 full-time jobs and many more in the wider service sector locally.

"Apprentices will also be trained in the engineering centre. The net local economic benefit compared to continuing current operations is calculated as an additional ^62 million into the local area over the first ten years of construction and operation."

The steam railway currently operates over a mile of track between Woody Bay Station near Lynton and Killington Lane and carried a record 48,000 passengers last year.

As part of the plans, The Old Station House Inn at Blackmoor Gate will be redeveloped to include a ticket office and a shop and a bank at Parracombe will be reconstructed with a culvert larger than a double-decker bus.

The project is expected to create about 80 jobs in the area, and is supported by local councillors, businesses and landowners.

But not all residents are in support of the plans, including Louise Grob who owns land next to the trackbed of the old narrow gauge railway on the outskirts of Barnstaple.

Mrs Grob believes that the project will turn the Western Gate into something more akin to a theme park and that many homes will be destroyed to make it a reality.

But Mr Nicholson said that the extension would be "North Devon's Eden Project," only one house would have to be demolished and that the Trust was proposing to build two affordable homes in its place if they could agree a price.

The narrow-gauge line across Exmoor was opened in 1898 and closed in 1935 before being reopened in 2004.

A minor typo in the caption to their illustration by the North Devon Journal, but never mind.  ::)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on February 01, 2016, 08:06:24
The NDJ is Mrs FT, N!'s chip-wrapper of choice, but we are not there this week so didn't see it. Thank you, CfN!

The true situation could be conveyed with a simple one-word edit in the article. Before the words "Mrs Louise Grob" delete the word "including" and replace with the word "namely".

I shall find the outline application, and express my full support. I think it would be an asset to the area for a number of reasons, and not just to me (and my small business interest in North Devon).


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on February 17, 2016, 19:00:01
The Planning Applications (seven in total) have been submitted.

Those to be determined by the Exmoor National Park Authority are here. (http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/planning/planning-searches/application-search-results?app_query=62%2F50%2F16%2F&planning-search-agree=0)

Those to be decided by North Devon District Council are at this address  (http://planning.northdevon.gov.uk/detail.asp?AltRef=60675&ApplicationNumber=60675&AddressPrefix=&Postcode=&CaseOfficer=&ParishName=&AreaTeam=&WardMember=&DateReceivedStart=&DateReceivedEnd=&DateDecidedStart=&DateDecidedEnd=&Locality=&AgentName=&ApplicantName=&ShowDecided=&DecisionLevel=&Sort1=FullAddressPrefix&Sort2=DateReceived+DESC) and  this address (http://planning.northdevon.gov.uk/detail.asp?AltRef=60676&ApplicationNumber=60676&AddressPrefix=&Postcode=&CaseOfficer=&ParishName=&AreaTeam=&WardMember=&DateReceivedStart=&DateReceivedEnd=&DateDecidedStart=&DateDecidedEnd=&Locality=&AgentName=&ApplicantName=&ShowDecided=&DecisionLevel=&Sort1=FullAddressPrefix&Sort2=DateReceived+DESC).

The consultation period ends on 4 March 2016. The railway would certainly welcome comments to the two authorities in support - please see their website (http://www.lynton-rail.co.uk/story/planning-application-news-updated-16th-february) for more information.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 17, 2017, 07:24:52
The Lynton and Barnstaple, I learned yesterday, has had the longest gap from a line closing to being re-opened as a heritage line of any in the UK.   I wonder if it will ever reach Barnstaple Town again - will you see a train here, and might you ever see a connection onwards?   A very brief look over the last couple of days showed a lovely path and cycle way beside the river, but a loss of all sign of the bridge that brought the railway across from "Barnstaple Junction" as it was to the town itself.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/lb_at_b.jpg)

Another long gap between closure and re-opening was the Welsh Highland, and should the Leek and Manifold re-open at any point it would eclipse the claim of the Lynton and Barnstaple.

There's a well know story (and it was told yesterday) that a group of local councillors went up to London to see the Southern Railway when the closure proposals for the Lynton and Barnstaple came out in the 1930s.  However, they let slip that they'd travelled by road and hadn't used the very railway they set out to save ...


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: bobm on June 17, 2017, 13:34:20
Following a recommendation by a member of GWR management I took a trip to the Lynton & Barnstaple this morning and I wasn't disappointed.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lbarr.jpg)

It was certainly worth paying the extra £3 to travel first class.  Not only did it get me away from a coachload of schoolchildren but it afforded me a compartment of my own at the end of the train with the best views of the countryside.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lbcarr.jpg)

Obviously helped by the lovely weather but the scenery was some of the best I have seen on a heritage railway.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lbview1.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lbview2.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lbview3.jpg)

At present the railway offers a two mile round trip to Killington Lane.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lbend.jpg)

Beyond the buffer stops is the target for the extension towards Blackmoor Gate.

Well worth a visit and easily accessible by public transport.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lbdep.jpg)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on July 12, 2017, 18:31:46
The North Devon Gazette (http://www.northdevongazette.co.uk/news/new-600-000-locomotive-is-returning-to-the-lynton-and-barnstaple-railway-1-5100245) reports that a £600,000 new-build steam loco has been acquired by the L&B to replace that lost in 1935.

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New £600,000 locomotive is ‘returning’ to the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway

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The LYN locomotive at Alan Keef's yard in Herefordshire. Picture: Trevor Garnham

North Devon’s biggest heritage railway has made a massive investment with a completely new build steam locomotive to replace the one lost in 1935.

A £600,000-plus investment will see a brand new steam locomotive arrive at a North Devon heritage railway this September.

The Lynton and Barnstaple Railway at Woody Bay will welcome back a new built copy of its famous LYN locomotive at its Autumn Gala at the station on Saturday, September 30.

The engine has been built at the works of engineering contractor Alan Keef in Herefordshire and has been made possible thanks to funding from independent charity The 762 Club.

The famous narrow gauge railway which ran from Lynton to Barnstaple for less than 40 years has £16million ambitions to reopen swathes of track and put North Devon back on the map as a rail destination.

The Lynton and Barnstaple Railway is bidding to be restored to its former glory as a massive boost to the North Devon economy. Picture: Tony Nicholson
It ran from 1898 to 1935 but since 1979 a dedicated band of volunteers has been working tirelessly to reinstate the railway.

The LYN will be a big part of those plans and marketing director Keith Vingoe of the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway Trust said the new-build loco is the fastest ever to be built in heritage railway history, at just over eight years.

He said: “Although it looks like the locomotive scrapped in 1935, what’s going on underneath is a very different things altogether.

“Effectively it’s the greenest steam locomotive to be built in the UK and it’s more than £600,000 investment in North Devon and Exmoor tourism.

“The LYN will have a permanent home at the Lynton and Barnstaple Railway, though it may also visit other railways as there is a great deal of interest in this engine.”

The original LYN was a Baldwin 2-4-2 and was commonly referred to by railway staff as ‘The Yankee’.

Despite a few teething problems, LYN was a popular and distinctive engine that was also the most powerful on the line - on occasion pulling five-coach trains, one more than normally allowed.

Closure of the line came in September in 1935, and after the November auction when LYN was sold for £50 it was quickly reduced to pile of scrap with only the nameplates, head-lamp and gauge glass surviving.

The modern railway already has a mile of track from Woody Bay Station, but £16.5m extension plans are in the works to add another four-and-a-half miles to take it to Blackmoor Gate and Wistlandpound.

Final planning permission could be granted as early as September.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on November 03, 2017, 20:15:16
Well done to all the volunteers and supporters who have achieved their goal of a replica of L&BR Baldwin loco 762 which was scrapped in the 30s when the line was closed - a tremendous achievement:

http://www.762club.com/762home.php

Really need some positive news on the planning front though, as it is now a very long time since the railway was extended to Killington lane, a bare mile from Woody Bay



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 03, 2017, 23:39:47
With many thanks for your update post, Umberleigh, I have now merged it with an ongoing discussion topic here, purely in the interests of clarity and continuity.  :)



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on March 01, 2018, 09:37:19
The NDJ is Mrs FT, N!'s chip-wrapper of choice, but we are not there this week so didn't see it. Thank you, CfN!

The true situation could be conveyed with a simple one-word edit in the article. Before the words "Mrs Louise Grob" delete the word "including" and replace with the word "namely".

I shall find the outline application, and express my full support. I think it would be an asset to the area for a number of reasons, and not just to me (and my small business interest in North Devon).

An update:

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/multi-million-pound-plans-north-1274811

Part of the article:

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Multi-million pound plans to extend a historic North Devon are being recommended for approval – despite running within feet of the house in which Lorna Doone was written.

The application is the first of three further phases which are planned to complete the full reinstatement of the railway from Lynton to Barnstaple and is set to have £10m a year of benefits to the economy.

The first phase would see the reinstatement of 4.5 miles of track which would lead from the end of the existing line at Killington Lane to the north of Parracombe, to Blackmoor Gate, and under the A399 and then outside the Exmoor National Park towards Wistlandpound Reservoir.

A report to planners advises that this phase is the pivotal phase and will establish the railway’s centre of operations at Blackmoor Gate and provide the platform for the completion of the next two phases – the extension from Woody Bay to Lynton and from Wistlandpound to Barnstaple.

But residents are protesting against the plans and say that the line will run with a few yards of the house in which Lorna Doone was written by R.D.Blackmore.

The house where Lorna Doone was written is now lived in by their Louise Grob, and her dad Douglas May said: “There has been tremendous ill will and upset but I have a horrible feeling it’s a fait accompli.”

Mrs Lee, who lived in Parracombe for many years, said: “Everyone is up in arms and no one is listening.”

Mr May said: “It was closed because it goes up such a steep incline that it’s dangerous. There have been tremendous protests and it goes through such beautiful countryside.

“It runs within a few yards of a very famous church – St Petrocs, which people come from all over the world to visit.

“It also is going to be within five or 10ft of the house where Lorna Doone was written by R.D.Blackmore.”

But the planners are asked to back five separate planning applications when they meet on Tuesday at Lynton Town Hall.

An economic impact statement submitted with the application says that the proposals are expected to increase passenger numbers to 70,000 a year and will have a direct economic benefit of £10million per year over the next 10 years.

The report adds that the net economic benefits, when the account of construction cost is added, is approximately £62million and that it will create at least 24 full time jobs.

The original Lynton to Barnstaple railway was opened in 1898 and was built as a narrow gauge railway, but closed in 1935. The current railway reopened in 2004 and operates from Woody Bay Station.

The extension plans advise that the railway would continue to operate for 12 months of the year, and would provide rolling stock that would comprise twelve carriages that would provide capacity for 70,000 passengers a year.

Recommending approval, the report says: “The proposal is not considered to bring insurmountable environmental impacts and while there are some objections to the proposal, there is support, and the various technical experts that have been consulted are satisfied that the proposals are acceptable.

“Officers have concluded that in terms of impact on the landscape and heritage assest there will be minor harm and that other impacts including ecology, flood risk and highway safety are acceptable.

“Officers consider that the proposal will increase recreational opportunities in the National Park and will provide opportunities for increasing the understanding and enjoyment of the national beauty, wildlife, and cultural heritage of the National Park – both through the experience of travelling on the train itself and the opportunities for viewing and better understanding and appreciating the National Park from it.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 01, 2018, 11:37:53
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It was closed because it goes up such a steep incline that it’s dangerous.

Really? My official 'History of the Lynworth and Barnchester Railroad', which sadly I have mislaid but I am sure I'm remembering correctly, said that the main reason the line closed was because the rails were attracting magnetic Martian goob-goob rays which were making the alpaca milk go bad, thus damaging the local hipster economy. But I may be misremembering....

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It runs within a few yards of a very famous church – St Petrocs, which people come from all over the world to visit.

In a cutting...

They'll be able to get there by train when the line is built - isn't that better than clogging up the lanes with tourist buses?



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on March 01, 2018, 12:38:32
Exactly, Red Squirrel. I've been in that church, (St Petrock's Church (http://www.exmoorher.co.uk/hbsmr-web/record.aspx?uid=MDE7975-St-Petrocks-Church-Parracombe) in Churchtown, Parracombe) and had to travel there by car. It is very pretty, but has been redundant since 1969, not even benefiting from the short-lived craze for pet rocks in the mid-1970s. But didn't the railway run by it, and the house where Laura Dune was written, for nigh on 40 years until closure? I can find no record of complaints about it during those times. In any case, Blackmore hasn't written any books there since he joined Deep Purple in 1968.

So what's the problem? Ah - I see the name of Louise Grob! She appears concerned that this will become the south-western arm of HS2. She is not in a minority of one - I found two further objections in a random prod at the representations on the planning website.  She and her family may well have concerns about the railway passing so close to their properties, but they seem to have exaggerated the likely effects to the point where their valid objections become lost, a bit like Dele Alli hoping for a penalty.

(Like Red Squirrel, I might have some of the facts slightly mis-remembered.)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on March 01, 2018, 12:51:56
To put the timeline in context

Lorna Doone was published in 1869 (and presumably written in the year or two leading up to that

The Lynton and Barnstaple was opened in 1898 and closed in 1935; it failed to serve the business needs of the area, indeed there's the famous urban (rural?) legend of the local dignitaries going to Waterloo to plead the case for its retention - but travelling by car not by train.

I've seen no evidence of complaints of the railway causing issues at the location of the cottage where Lorna Doone was written during the time it was open.

There might just be a significant financial opportunity for the owner of Lorna Doone author's place should the railway bring tourists who would like to see the place, as well as a bit of "nuisance value" brought indirectly if people came to the area by train and walked around poking their noses up against the glass of people's homes they wished to keep private. One wonders what the local's views on whether to become a tourist attraction, sell up to the highest bidder, or go into siege mentality while shouting how the system has wronged them might be.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 01, 2018, 14:07:21
While following the White Rabbit that grahame's recent post set running, I found the 40-odd page report that Ms Grob commissioned Peter Brett Associates to compile in opposition to the L&B's scheme.

Here's an example of their work: I won't quote it verbatim, for fear of finding myself on the wrong end of copyright litigation, but Para 2.2.2 claims that Parracombe Halt never functioned as a place where people could get on or off a train but acted merely as a place where (and I paraphrase slightly, but not much) fuel was put in locomotives' water tanks.

I am not a lawyer, or an expert on the history of the L&B, but I think that assertion could probably be challenged...



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: stuving on March 01, 2018, 15:27:22
Looking at old maps, Parracombe is never shown as a having a halt, let alone a station, just Parracombe Siding. Woody bay is shown as a station (though not at Woody Bay, obviously). Finding a map with the route on it does show just how remarkably wiggly it was.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 01, 2018, 16:41:15
...also noting that Woody Bay was the highest station in Southern England....

From Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynton_and_Barnstaple_Railway

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The L&B rises and falls several times along its length. Starting at 15 feet (4.6 m) above sea level, The first 3 3⁄4 miles (6.0 km), through Barnstaple, and along the Yeo Valley stays relatively level. Collard Bridge marks the start of an 8-mile (13 km) climb, mainly at one in fifty, to Blackmoor Gate. A shallower down-gradient follows, of about 2 miles (3.2 km), towards Parracombe Bank, and the start of another climb, of about 2 1⁄2 miles (4 km), to Woody Bay — at 1,000 feet (305 m), the highest railway station in southern England. The line then falls, again mostly at one in fifty (2%) - to Lynton & Lynmouth station, still 700 feet (213 m) above the sea, and hidden by the landscape from the town of Lynton. The minimum radius on curves was 5-chain (100 m).


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: ellendune on March 01, 2018, 17:44:57
Finding a map with the route on it does show just how remarkably wiggly it was.

That was the whole point of narrow gauge - It allows tighter curves to allow the line to cling to contours reducing the need for costly earthworks and structures. 


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 01, 2018, 18:38:17
Looking at old maps, Parracombe is never shown as a having a halt, let alone a station, just Parracombe Siding. Woody bay is shown as a station (though not at Woody Bay, obviously). Finding a map with the route on it does show just how remarkably wiggly it was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parracombe_railway_station

The waiting shelter, perhaps rather embarrassingly for the 7-strong team of experts responsible for the PBA report, is still extant.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on March 01, 2018, 19:59:21
The internet is a wonderful place to find nuggets ... beware this is over 12 years old

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/3342564/Pioneers-who-blazed-a-trail-to-the-West.html

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Within striking distance of both the coast and the moor is Court Place Farm, home for the past 15 years of art dealer David Grob and his wife, Louise, the beguiling face of the Gold Blend coffee advertisements in the 1990s.

Although their work takes them to London and America, it is in the small moorland village of Parracombe that they have made their home with their children - 12-year-old William, Ella, seven, and Arthur, three.

Court Place Farm is set in a hamlet called Churchtown, whose name is taken from the 12th-century St Petrock's church. There are no longer regular services there, but it is open and the owners of Court Place Farm have the right to use it.

In a roundabout way - almost out of a scene from a Ronald Duncan play - the Grobs were married there three years ago, followed up the aisle with its box pews by their three children and fox terrier. It was the first wedding in the church for a century.

Many of their friends followed them to north Devon - among them artist Damien Hirst and his wife, designer Maia Norman, Simon and Alice Browne (he was the chef at the deeply fashionable London Green Street Club in the 1990s) and literary agent Sarah Lutyens.

"We feel we were almost pioneer arrivals here," says David Grob, 50, as we sit in the walled winter garden of Court Place Farm, "although Louise's mother had a house in the village, so we were not complete strangers."

When they found what was to become their home, it was really two farm-worker's cottages with a thatched roof and a bigger house in which relations of Lorna Doone writer RD Blackmore had lived.

A carved inscription outside marks the residency of John and Elizabeth Blackmore in 1787, and they are buried in the churchyard.

The old Lynton railway used to run outside and its cutting may still be seen in the folds of lush, rolling grass beyond the lawns. This may also have meant that the farm had railway connections and enthusiasts have dropped in at the house over the years.



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on March 01, 2018, 21:38:31
...a place where (and I paraphrase slightly, but not much) fuel was put in locomotives' water tanks...

Could it have been sabotage by earlier scions of the family?


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 06, 2018, 19:54:30
....have been approved:
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/first-phase-multi-million-pound-1306343

Edit to add: Apologies, but I couldn't seem to be able to copy the article text here ::)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on March 06, 2018, 20:08:23
An impassioned plea by a smart looking lady, who could still stir my coffee, failed to sway the men in corduroy.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 06, 2018, 21:35:44
A lot of the planning application detail can be seen here.  My only comment is, that having digested some of this material, is that it must be b****y hard work getting anything like this done.

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Item-6.1.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-1.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-2.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-3.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-4.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-5.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-6.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-7.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-8.pdf

http://www.exmoor-nationalpark.gov.uk/about-us/meetings-agendas-reports/exmoor-national-park-authority/06-mar-2018/ar-enpa-06.03.2018-Appendix-9.pdf


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on March 06, 2018, 22:19:18
....have been approved:
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/first-phase-multi-million-pound-1306343

Edit to add: Apologies, but I couldn't seem to be able to copy the article text here ::)

Interesting to see the claim that the line "will pass within a few feet of the house in which Lorna Doone was written" repeated. Aside from the question of how material that is as a consideration, my desk-based analysis (of which Peter Brett Associates would be proud!) suggest that it's quite a lot more than a few feet.

And instant coffee is an abomination.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: sikejsudjek3 on March 06, 2018, 22:33:48
That has to rank as one of the weakest planning objections I've ever seen. Pathetic frankly - if the house is of that value to local heritage then what better to attract visitors than a heritage line ! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on March 08, 2018, 21:34:40
Very good news and after a lot of hard work and not inconsiderable costs (the printed planning applications for consultation cost over £3,000 alone)

And not before time, as while huge strides have been made with the rolling stock, the railway itself has not advanced a single inch in close to 13 years. It was increadibly frustrating to see Lyn and Lew with the heritage stock at Killington Lane, where one must terminate, but where one can also gaze down at the route south...

That said, the progress with the two locos and the heritage coaches has been a minor miracle and I remain convinced goals will be reached in all good time.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on March 08, 2018, 21:56:58
Considering the significance of the approval, it's perhaps a little surprising that the L&B website has not made a song and dance about it. In fact, the news seems not to have reached there at all yet.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on March 08, 2018, 23:11:58
Considering the significance of the approval, it's perhaps a little surprising that the L&B website has not made a song and dance about it. In fact, the news seems not to have reached there at all yet.

Overt triumphalism is not the North Devon way, at least not until internet skills catch up with results.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on March 08, 2018, 23:31:33
Considering the significance of the approval, it's perhaps a little surprising that the L&B website has not made a song and dance about it. In fact, the news seems not to have reached there at all yet.

Members area has been updated

Also the L&B Yahoo group is an up to date forum for all things L&BR

Have to say the fundraising task ahead is massive, and very reliant on Lottery Heritage funding.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on March 08, 2018, 23:38:44
Finding a map with the route on it does show just how remarkably wiggly it was.

That was the whole point of narrow gauge - It allows tighter curves to allow the line to cling to contours reducing the need for costly earthworks and structures. 

In the late 80s I met an old Barum resident who had travelled on the line as a lad. Those curves plus the gradient ensured the trains headed to Lynton were so slow he and others could jump out of the lead coach, pick some wild flowers* from the line side, and jump back in the rear coach

* a certain vicar used to throw wild flower seeds from the train window, apparently


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on March 09, 2018, 03:20:50
Considering the significance of the approval, it's perhaps a little surprising that the L&B website has not made a song and dance about it. In fact, the news seems not to have reached there at all yet.

Members area has been updated

Also the L&B Yahoo group is an up to date forum for all things L&BR

Have to say the fundraising task ahead is massive, and very reliant on Lottery Heritage funding.


I would complement the L&BR team on taking such a measured response.  They need to work with their neighbours  and provide their end of an environment that works positively forward together, whilst (I am sure) taking precautions to ensure that if the "together" can't happen, they can move forward anyway.

The front pages of a tourist / visitor website is a place to promote to visitors - not one on which to air any dirty washing or get involved in operational and organisational detail.    But I'm sure that in due course it will feature fundraising and development - as a 'hook' to pull in more visitors and to garner more support from those visitors as the track extends to Parracombe, to Blackmoor, then later to Pilton and perhaps to Barnstaple Town and in some dreams to connect with National Rail at Barnstaple Junction.



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Chris125 on March 09, 2018, 19:40:08
Considering the significance of the approval, it's perhaps a little surprising that the L&B website has not made a song and dance about it. In fact, the news seems not to have reached there at all yet.

It's great news, but they still need to apply for a TWAO.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on March 10, 2018, 06:01:44
Considering the significance of the approval, it's perhaps a little surprising that the L&B website has not made a song and dance about it. In fact, the news seems not to have reached there at all yet.

It's great news, but they still need to apply for a TWAO.

See https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/transport-and-works-act-orders-a-brief-guide-2006


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on July 23, 2019, 15:03:27
Progress on the L&B. Work started on the extension last month (somehow, I managed to miss the announcement). For those of us who like to follow it's progress, the L&B have obligingly started an extension blog, link below:


https://www.lynton-rail.co.uk/page/phase-iia-construction-commences


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 04, 2020, 12:39:59
Bratton Fleming Station, on the route of the Lynton and Barnstaple railway, was put on the market in March 2020. Exmoor Associates, who seek to buy land on the trackbed of the L&B to enable it to extend, were unable to come up with the purchase price in time and a sale was agreed to a third party.

That sale has now fallen through, and the property is back on the market. Exmoor Associates have launched a JustGiving page to allow people to make donations. I have chucked a few quid in their direction using this method, and wish them the very best!

If you'd like to support them, the details are here: http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/2020/06/justgiving-now-for-bf-station/

(http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Bratton-Fleming-colourised-1-1024x680.jpg)

If you are a bit more flush than me, you could also consider their share offer, whereby supporters can purchase £500 shares in the property. Details of that offer are here: http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/2020/06/bf-station-for-sale-again/



 


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 04, 2020, 13:50:35
Details at https://www.stags.co.uk/properties/12843867/sales

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Bratton Fleming, Barnstaple
Offers in excess of £325,000 | 2 bedrooms | 0.63 acres

https://mr2.homeflow-assets.co.uk/files/property_asset/image/3994/7177/ViDDRTT1qU6IGeioRJojxw.pdf

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A charming detached conversion of a former Victorian station in tranquil rural location


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: rogerw on June 04, 2020, 14:06:48
Unfortunately there appears to be no facility for gift aiding any contribution. An opportunity lost


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 04, 2020, 14:39:27
Yes, I noticed that... perhaps it will come.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: infoman on June 04, 2020, 17:04:22
What is the £5,000 pounds for? me peronally I would prefer to have bought the house and then rent it out.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Ralph Ayres on June 05, 2020, 10:18:22
If you mean you want to buy the house and land to rent it to them at a reasonable rate there's nothing to stop you! If you mean that's what they should do then I think that's the aim, with the trackbed eventually rejoining the overall route.

It's not brilliantly explained (possibly all set up in rather a hurry) but the £5,000 appears to be to allow small donations to be made by those who can't afford the larger £500 chunks suggested at http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/2020/06/bf-station-for-sale-again/. The home page of that site explains the necessarily quite complex relationship between the current operational railway and the group set up to buy parts of the whole line when they become available, a tricky operation where they presumably have to avoid being held over a barrel by vendors who know they want that specific cottage/patch of land rather than a similar one nearby that isn't on the former route of the line.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 05, 2020, 14:03:04
I fancy the idea of retiring to a cottage in the countryside - to an old station that's perhaps disused but has trains passing by occasionally, or is open and used by a smattering of passengers.  And, indeed, I declared myself "retired" in March and started to draw a pension in May.   But the head rules the heart, and there's no overnight lightbulb moment that has Lisa and I planning to up roots and move to Bratton Fleming, looking to retire to the fringe of Exmoor and do so with an arrangement with the Exmoor Steam Railway to encourage their trains to return past our door, stopping to drop off / pick up a few passengers, in coming years.

When my Dad retired - and that was now about 40 years ago - he and Mum moved from the London area (Petts Wood) where they had been for 30 years to Devizes.  Dad had commuted into London on a 'classic' daily basis, and I was brought up there on British Rail Southern Electric, community by train to primary school - 7 to 11 and 11 to 16, and into Uni in London thereafter, as well as to part time and work experience type jobs.  I had never imagined they would move on his retirement - they just were so much *in* Petts Wood and its community, and spoke of a dislike of retiring away from everything to the seaside at Worthing or Weston-super-mare.  So I was shocked at their move, and worried;  I need not have been, as they quickly became involved and pillars of certain elements of Devizes, Wiltshire and Wessex life and enjoyed a long and rewarding retirement.

But Melksham is not Petts Wood, and Bratton Fleming is not Devizes.  There is rather more linkage / similarity between Melksham and Devizes and Lisa and I are already knitted into the community here.

The idea of an old station does attract ... Altnabraec or Yetminster or any number (alphabetically) between. A tragedy that so many station buildings from Melksham to Morfa Mawddach were demolished.   And I do recall looking wistfully in through the filthy windows of the approaching-derelict station buildings at Georgemas Junction a couple of years ago.  But it won't happen, and it double-plus wouldn't be Bratton Fleming if it did!

* Heritage Railways that are rebuilding lines start small for the most part, and they extend station by station sometimes with obscure stations as termini for years on end.   Woody Bay to Killington Lane at present. On to Parracombe perhaps, then to Blackmoor and next Bratton Fleming - but could / would our home become the terminus for hoards of tourists in the summer, with us and other residents battening down the hatches and festooning what little bits of privacy we had with "keep out" signs which the vast majority would understand, but a small minority would see as a challenge.   How long of that before the final thrust to Snapper, Pilton and Barnstaple, and only then the passing trains and occasional passenger that the heart dreamed.

* As we get older and less able to get about - what an isolated spot and what a naff public transport service. 3 buses a day to Barnstaple (Town, not current station) - 07:39, 15:17 and 18:23, getting back at 08:24, 11:42, 17:22 and 19:12 (other end of route is Lynton)

* What is there to do in winter ... what community ... wonder what the internet is like.  Having lived at the back end of beyond from 1982 to 1999 as an "incomer", not an experience I would want to share again, though that could be very unfair to the F-lemmings or whatever they call themselves.

Still a nice dream ... and perhaps a holiday beside a quiet station some time.  St Germans or Hayle perhaps.

Edit - grammar correction


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: infoman on June 05, 2020, 15:08:34
Would love to buy the house and you would all be wellcome at any reasonable time of day,but not at the same time.

I can dream,can't I?


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Lee on June 06, 2020, 19:44:58
I fancy the idea of retiring to a cottage in the countryside - to an old station that's perhaps disused but has trains passing by occasionally, or is open and used by a smattering of passengers.

As your personal Brittany rail properties agent, i can draw your attention to the following 3 opportunities...

- You have just missed out on the station building at Pont-de-Buis (https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Pont-de-Buis) which is open and sees a handful of trains call on the Brest-Quimper line. It was sold for just over €24000 to the local council and is apparently slated to become their new town hall. Mind you, bung them slightly more than that and who knows...

- A rail enthusiast property developer is currently redeveloping the historic station building at Pontivy (https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_de_Pontivy), which still sees fairly regular freight trains, and you could view these at your leisure from one of the 4 duplex apartments being built on the upper levels. He is doing this in conjunction with the local authorities, who are building one of your favourite things in the whole wide world - a bus/rail interchange! This will include a new waiting hall, ticket office and retail space on the ground floor, the idea being to integrate regional bus, local bus, cycle routes etc with the revived tourist passenger trains that were due to start this summer but, thanks to Covid-19, are more likely now in 2021 as a first step to full passenger rail reopening - thus creating grahame heaven in the process.

- Or you could go for tonights star prize, which is the former station at Plemet. (https://www.bienici.com/annonce/vente/plemet/maison/9pieces/immo-facile-35439921?xtor=AD-659) This definately has the grahame factor, with many of the original features - including the former station latrines - still intact, whilst looking rather nice inside too. Only drawback is the rails have been replaced by a greenway on the former trackbed, but think of all those lovely walkies...

The choice is yours  ;D


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 06, 2020, 23:58:34

As your personal Brittany rail properties agent, i can draw your attention to the following 3 opportunities...

[snip]

The choice is yours  ;D

Tempted, but sticking with UK where I know about the jurisdiction.  Not too worried about getting a bus stop at the station ... but worried about actually getting any buses to call there.

Some of my pix from Facebook ... and with confirmation from one of those core rail folks who is an advocate of better public transport even outside the working week.  Bit of a long way, though

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gjdream.jpg)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 07, 2020, 13:06:55
I am very conscious that as a dweller of a building made of the most fragile grade of horticultural glass I am in absolutely no position to start casting nasturtiums, but... my point in posting this was to draw attention to the opportunity for members to help the L&B buy a particularly useful bit of trackbed!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Lee on June 07, 2020, 13:29:24
I am very conscious that as a dweller of a building made of the most fragile grade of horticultural glass I am in absolutely no position to start casting nasturtiums, but...

Sounds like you could do with a change of abode. As your personal Brittany rail properties agent, i can draw your attention to the following 3 opportunities...

I'm kidding, I'm kidding!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 08, 2020, 04:35:02
I am very conscious that as a dweller of a building made of the most fragile grade of horticultural glass I am in absolutely no position to start casting nasturtiums, but... my point in posting this was to draw attention to the opportunity for members to help the L&B buy a particularly useful bit of trackbed!

In case it got lost in the Flow country excursion via Brittany:

Bratton Fleming Station, on the route of the Lynton and Barnstaple railway, was put on the market in March 2020. Exmoor Associates, who seek to buy land on the trackbed of the L&B to enable it to extend, were unable to come up with the purchase price in time and a sale was agreed to a third party.

That sale has now fallen through, and the property is back on the market. Exmoor Associates have launched a JustGiving page to allow people to make donations. I have chucked a few quid in their direction using this method, and wish them the very best!

If you'd like to support them, the details are here: http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/2020/06/justgiving-now-for-bf-station/

(http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Bratton-Fleming-colourised-1-1024x680.jpg)

If you are a bit more flush than me, you could also consider their share offer, whereby supporters can purchase £500 shares in the property. Details of that offer are here: http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/2020/06/bf-station-for-sale-again/


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Robin Summerhill on June 08, 2020, 21:58:27
I fancy the idea of retiring to a cottage in the countryside - to an old station that's perhaps disused...

I did bid at the auction when Great Somerford station house was on the market in 1980 (then owned by Wessex Water), but unfortunately somebody else had £1000 more in their pocket than I did. The hammer fell at £20,600 which, in 1980, was a goodly sum for what was actually on offer

Not that there would have been any trains passing by mind, as the junction for the Malmesbury branch was changed from Dauntsey to Little Somerford c.1933


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 09, 2020, 14:31:12
I am very conscious that as a dweller of a building made of the most fragile grade of horticultural glass I am in absolutely no position to start casting nasturtiums, but... my point in posting this was to draw attention to the opportunity for members to help the L&B buy a particularly useful bit of trackbed!

Mine's made of mud and straw, with a bit of wood. The TV aerial, which is modern and long-lasting, didn't make it through a storm.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49987953496_846d1aa557_c.jpg)

It was built in the mid-17th century in anticipation of a railway passing by. Only later did they learn that they don't go up steep hills easily.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on June 17, 2020, 15:47:03
I fully support the L&B with its current proposal to reopen Wistlandpound back to Lynton with a P&R at Blackmoor Gate and have made financial donations in the past. But its been 14 long years since the railway was extended to its present one mile of running line and I have to question if throwing money at the section South of Wistlandpound is a good idea given the huge costs involved.

Its fantastic that the Chelfham viaduct is preserved, but I just feel that all efforts should be focused on what is being planned for now rather than the romance of buying stations that will cost tens of millions of pounds to reach at some distant point in the future


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 17, 2020, 21:12:52
It is so hard to know how far ahead to safeguard - who would have expected the Bluebell to reach all the way to East Grinstead, or the West Welsh Highland to reach all the way to Caernarvon.  Who knows when / if the line from Lynton will reach Barnstaple itself - or even suggest it extends over a re-instated standard gauge route to the Tarka Line on its way from Exeter to Bideford.

Exit to correct "West" to "Welsh"


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: rogerw on June 17, 2020, 22:06:31
Don't you mean Welsh Highland, Grahame. You've got your countries meddled  ::)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 18, 2020, 05:06:52
Don't you mean Welsh Highland, Grahame. You've got your countries meddled  ::)

Fixed. Thank you.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 18, 2020, 11:26:45

Exit to correct "West" to "Welsh"

Edit to correct "exit" to "edit"?

(Sorry  ;D)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 18, 2020, 13:06:29
It is so hard to know how far ahead to safeguard - who would have expected the Bluebell to reach all the way to East Grinstead, or the West Welsh Highland to reach all the way to Caernarvon.  Who knows when / if the line from Lynton will reach Barnstaple itself - or even suggest it extends over a re-instated standard gauge route to the Tarka Line on its way from Exeter to Bideford.

Exit to correct "West" to "Welsh"

I don't think it's at all hard to know how far ahead to safeguard: the whole route needs to be in safe hands! The point of Exmoor Associates is to secure the route. If they do their job well, there should be little cost associated with this; they may in fact to be able to run at a profit.

One the other hand, just imagine if some Grobbite (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/first-phase-multi-million-pound-1306343) were to acquire Bratton Fleming... that could potentially delay the project for years and add a lot to the cost.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 18, 2020, 14:59:46
I don't think it's at all hard to know how far ahead to safeguard: the whole route needs to be in safe hands! The point of Exmoor Associates is to secure the route. If they do their job well, there should be little cost associated with this; they may in fact to be able to run at a profit.

One the other hand, just imagine if some Grobbite (https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/first-phase-multi-million-pound-1306343) were to acquire Bratton Fleming... that could potentially delay the project for years and add a lot to the cost.

You have good points there.  It is excellent to be reminded just how difficult it can be to re-establish an old route should there be someone who has a different vision with an interest along the way.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on June 22, 2020, 19:26:48
If you follow the Gosh*tes err sorry, Grobbites link down to the comments there is a properly unhinged comment from 'you know how' that compares the railway to building 250,000 new homes on Exmoor  ??? :) Protesters really need to learn to stick to the facts, even complaining that its "a railway line between two car parks" is a gross distortion of the reality of rebuilding an historic railway between two of the original stations and running replica trains. Then they wonder why decisions go against them...?


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on June 22, 2020, 19:52:05
But back to the topic, I worry about funding for the first extension, a lot has happened in the near decade since the Welsh Highland was completed and a lot has happened since March. If, as we must all fear, a major heritage line folds in the near future it will send shockwaves through the sector and call into question new investment.

I admire the vision of those in charge of the L&B but i was always for an extension towards Parracombe once the trackbed was purchased in 2009 and some prominent figures such as the FR's Paul Lewin have voiced the same opinion. The actual running line is less than a mile at present and hasn't moved an inch in either direction since 2005.



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 22, 2020, 22:49:18
But back to the topic, I worry about funding for the first extension, a lot has happened in the near decade since the Welsh Highland was completed and a lot has happened since March. If, as we must all fear, a major heritage line folds in the near future it will send shockwaves through the sector and call into question new investment.

I admire the vision of those in charge of the L&B but i was always for an extension towards Parracombe once the trackbed was purchased in 2009 and some prominent figures such as the FR's Paul Lewin have voiced the same opinion. The actual running line is less than a mile at present and hasn't moved an inch in either direction since 2005.



It's an interesting question: what would happen if a major heritage line folded?

Often a real tragedy of rail closures is that the trackbeds - the routes - are sold off piecemeal and thus lost for other uses. Nowadays it seems unlikely that this would happen if a line, be it heritage or otherwise, ceased to operate.

Who knows what the future holds? Could a failed heritage line re-invent itself as a profitable railbike adventure?

As to the L&B: it has, as you say, been a slow process. They are playing a long game. I really, really hope they win in the end!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: stuving on June 22, 2020, 22:57:25
It's an interesting question: what would happen if a major heritage line folded?

Often a real tragedy of rail closures is that the trackbeds - the routes - are sold off piecemeal and thus lost for other uses. Nowadays it seems unlikely that this would happen if a line, be it heritage or otherwise, ceased to operate.

I thought that was the main reason for having a distinct legal entity owning the land, and perhaps some of what's built on it, from the operating one. If set up right, it can't go bust even if it's a an unsatisfied creditor of the operating venture that did.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 23, 2020, 06:39:49
It's an interesting question: what would happen if a major heritage line folded?

Often a real tragedy of rail closures is that the trackbeds - the routes - are sold off piecemeal and thus lost for other uses. Nowadays it seems unlikely that this would happen if a line, be it heritage or otherwise, ceased to operate.

Who knows what the future holds? Could a failed heritage line re-invent itself as a profitable railbike adventure?

As to the L&B: it has, as you say, been a slow process. They are playing a long game. I really, really hope they win in the end!

There are 146 members of the Heritage Railway Association which could be characterised as "operational tracks between places" and looking at the map / list there are some more "destination line" operations which are not part of the National networks.

Almira-6:jun20 grahamellis$ sort hra | grep ^Type | uniq -c | sort -nr
  79 Type: Standard Gauge
  51 Type: Narrow Gauge
  32 Type: Museum
   9 Type: Cliff Railway / Funicular
   7 Type: Tram
   6 Type: Steam Centre


Some have gone already ... though I would not call them "major" ones (some may argue) Dobwalls, Lochy, Isle of Mull, and I seem to recall but cannot quote one or two that have started with ambitious routes and trimmed back.  I am looking to avoid new speculation about any particular line folding, but lines to Okehampton and to Stanhope were going through widely discussed problems even before the pandemic.   I would, I'm afraid, not be surprised to see services ceasing to operate in places and not returning - perhaps some won't return later this year or even next year or ....

I would be surprised if the costs of maintaining a track and trackbed could be met long term from a rail bike operation; I note that many of the examples around the world run steam / diesel trains on peak days and rail bikes on shoulder days, early in the day and in the early evening.

Speculation - longer line trackbeds would probably be protected but lines might well be disused for a long period; I would not expect to see building in the middle of long trackbeds in the short term, though temporary structure to shore up collapsing overbridges could become permanent to start the rot, bridges over rivers be dangerous and removed and the rot could start.  No magic wand of a new operator taking over, even if pre-2020 passenger journeys were into 6 figures per annum.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 23, 2020, 11:50:24
The station is now under offer again, and fundraising has been suspended at just over £7,000.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on June 23, 2020, 16:56:06
I would like to think the line to Okehampton is safe from any adverse development or loss of infrastructure in the short to medium term due to the political will to both restore passengers services on the existing line (feasible) and to rebuild the missing link (medium to long term at best).

Its interesting to look around the heritage railway websites and see which are attracted strong financial support fo their reopening appeals and those that sadly aren't.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 23, 2020, 20:08:49
I would like to think the line to Okehampton is safe from any adverse development or loss of infrastructure in the short to medium term due to the political will to both restore passengers services on the existing line (feasible) and to rebuild the missing link (medium to long term at best).

Its interesting to look around the heritage railway websites and see which are attracted strong financial support fo their reopening appeals and those that sadly aren't.

I pretty much followed the Okehampton line recently en route to Tavistock from Crediton. I could see little that would impact on the line until Tavistock itself, where I believe the council have some buildings in the way. I have read that they will gladly sacrifice those.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on June 25, 2020, 14:06:52
If Meldon viaduct is beyond repair then from my memory of the site it is feasible to build a new viaduct on the Dartmoor side of the existing structure. It will be costly, but then building a new downstream viaduct for Barnstaple wasn't cheap either (never mind HS2).


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 25, 2020, 14:54:34
Not so long ago, as I remember it, Ribblehead viaduct was beyond economic repair...


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 26, 2020, 19:50:17
All viaducts are beyond repair until someone decides to use them again. The one at Pill went from crumbling ruin to right as rain for £100,000 if memory serves, when the Portbury Dock line was opened.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: ellendune on June 27, 2020, 08:56:56
All viaducts are beyond repair until someone decides to use them again. The one at Pill went from crumbling ruin to right as rain for £100,000 if memory serves, when the Portbury Dock line was opened.

The examples quoted so far are all masonry, whereas Meldon on is made from iron (or steel?).  I can think of another non-masonry one (Barmouth) but not an iron one.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 27, 2020, 10:07:02
All viaducts are beyond repair until someone decides to use them again. The one at Pill went from crumbling ruin to right as rain for £100,000 if memory serves, when the Portbury Dock line was opened.

The examples quoted so far are all masonry, whereas Meldon on is made from iron (or steel?).  I can think of another non-masonry one (Barmouth) but not an iron one.

Bridges like the Royal Albert Bridge at Saltash have wrought iron spans (or has the material been changed over the years) and I think the central pier is at least partly metal.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 27, 2020, 11:09:48
The fact that Meldon Viaduct has not been demolished for safety reasons suggests that it has a certain level of structural integrity. Any structure that hasn't fallen down can be repaired; whether that repair makes economic sense is another matter.

Ashton Swingbridge in Bristol is a riveted steel structure which had no maintenance for at least 50 years. If you'd asked me a couple of years ago whether it could be repaired I would have guessed not; you could put your fist through the rust holes in the plate girders. It is now fully restored and carries a MetroBus route and cycle path...


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 27, 2020, 15:04:38

Ashton Swingbridge in Bristol is a riveted steel structure which had no maintenance for at least 50 years. If you'd asked me a couple of years ago whether it could be repaired I would have guessed not; you could put your fist through the rust holes in the plate girders. It is now fully restored and carries a MetroBus route and cycle path...

... although it does demonstrate another traditional issue, that of starting work, drilling the first hole, then going back to the commissioning body to say "It's a lot worse than we thought." It still scrubbed up a lot less expensively than building a replacement would have been. Plus it's not seeing anything like as much use as was envisaged. Always a danger.



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 27, 2020, 17:35:53
...Plus it's not seeing anything like as much use as was envisaged...

There may be fewer buses than anticipated, but an awful lot of bicycles use it.

Cyclists have recently got into the habit of using the guideway, perhaps to socially distance themselves from the pedestrians who tend to fill the cycle path. The other day I saw a cyclist who was evidently shocked to meet a bus coming the other way. If it wasn't for the fact that the buses have to slow down to a crawl to use the guideway, he might not have been able to pull his bicycle out of the way in time...


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 29, 2020, 11:03:57

Cyclists have recently got into the habit of using the guideway, perhaps to socially distance themselves from the pedestrians who tend to fill the cycle path. The other day I saw a cyclist who was evidently shocked to meet a bus coming the other way. If it wasn't for the fact that the buses have to slow down to a crawl to use the guideway, he might not have been able to pull his bicycle out of the way in time...

Sadly, a cyclist died on the Cambridgeshire misguided busway after making a similar misjudgement. The Bristol one is likely to get a lot busier now, with the airport reopening. The smaller supplementary local service that also uses the carbon saving airport route seems to have reopened with a limited 3 bus per hour service, 0600 to 1900 weekdays only.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 29, 2020, 12:53:27

Cyclists have recently got into the habit of using the guideway, perhaps to socially distance themselves from the pedestrians who tend to fill the cycle path. The other day I saw a cyclist who was evidently shocked to meet a bus coming the other way. If it wasn't for the fact that the buses have to slow down to a crawl to use the guideway, he might not have been able to pull his bicycle out of the way in time...

Sadly, a cyclist dies on the Cambridgeshire misguided busway after making a similar misjudgement. The Bristol one is likely to get a lot busier now, with the airport reopening. The smaller supplementary local service that also uses the carbon saving airport route seems to have reopened with a limited 3 bus per hour service, 0600 to 1900 weekdays only.

Presumably this story, from May 2019, relates to a different incident:

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Cambridge cyclist died in head-on crash after clipping the kerb that separated him from guided busway

Victim’s brother calls for more separation between buses and path

An inquest has heard that Cambridge cyclist Steve Moir died in a head-on crash with a bus when he clipped the kerb separating him from a guided busway while overtaking pedestrians. Ruling the death accidental, coroner Simon Milburn heard the driver "could not avoid" him.
Source: road.cc (https://road.cc/content/news/260125-cambridge-cyclist-died-head-crash-after-clipping-kerb-separated-him-guided)

You have to feel for the bus driver, who might have been able to swerve to avoid the cyclist if the bus had been on a normal road.



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 29, 2020, 14:06:43

Presumably this story, from May 2019, relates to a different incident:

You have to feel for the bus driver, who might have been able to swerve to avoid the cyclist if the bus had been on a normal road.

My mistake - I read a Chinese whisper version. I agree regarding the bus driver.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: WSW Frome on June 30, 2020, 11:47:15
I had a very good look at Meldon Viaduct about 3 years ago. It certainly looked to be in remarkably good condition. Although there have been various stories over the years that it would need major work to make it suitable for a revived train service. Does this depend on the route being single or double track?

I have always assumed the viaduct was steel and of relatively modern design. So I thought I had better check and no it is of wrought and cast iron and built as the original structure(s) in 1874/1878. It was built in two single track versions side by side and joined up! One can see it has been strengthened at various times with additional trusses. As likely some of this was a wartime measure to carry heavier traffic but other work was done during the BR period. So clearly there is scope for repair or modifications to the structure.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 30, 2020, 12:26:56
There's a channel on YouTube which follows the story of Leo Sampson Goolden, who is restoring the 1909 wooden sailing yacht Tally Ho (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCg-_lYeV8hBnDSay7nmphUA/videos). To date Leo has replaced the keel, frames, knees, floors, beamshelves, bilge stringers, deck structure, stern post and stem. The only original part that has been kept to date is a section of the original transom. I suspect that Leo may have had the benefit of a classical education, because he devoted an entire episode (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW15VnkEmQ0) of his YouTube show to sharing his understanding of the Ship of Theseus (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus). You or I might have referred to the tale of the farmer's broom...

But to paraphrase Leo:

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There is no Meldon Viaduct. The idea of a viaduct or a bridge is just a human construct, just a label that we give to a collection of pieces that are arranged in a certain way. If you change the things that the overall object is made of then as long as the human mind can conceive of it as the same thing then that is as close as you can get to being the same thing.

To look at this another way, when GWR locomotive 111 The Great Bear emerged from its general repairs in 1924 with a new name and slightly fewer wheels, the accountants were presumably happy to move a few beans out of their 'maintenance' pot rather than their 'new construction' pot (in those days, one has to assume, maintenance was considered a worthwhile activity). Little else other than the number plates was actually re-used. Nowadays, it seems we satisfy the accountants (and politicians) by pretending that maintenance is actually something worth getting excited about (https://fosbr.org.uk/fixing-the-roof-at-temple-meads/)!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Robin Summerhill on June 30, 2020, 14:04:59
The fact that Meldon Viaduct has not been demolished for safety reasons suggests that it has a certain level of structural integrity. Any structure that hasn't fallen down can be repaired; whether that repair makes economic sense is another matter.

Another reason it hasn't been demolished may be (I think) that its  a Listed structure

I had a quick look on Google this morning to prove or disprove that,  but I couldn't find anything. Mind you I didn't spend that much time looking!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on June 30, 2020, 14:53:07
Meldon Viaduct is a scheduled monument or Heritage Asset, under the Ancient Monuments and Archaeological Areas Act 1979. I think that trumps listing in terms of protection.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 30, 2020, 15:01:18
...I think that trumps listing in terms of protection.

Last I heard it was listing towards Torquay...


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on July 05, 2020, 06:22:45
From around 10 a.m. on 4th July 2020

https://www.facebook.com/groups/lyntonandbarnstaple/permalink/10163850302805128/

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Update on Bratton Fleming Station Fund. We urgently need more £500 slots filled now that the station is yet again back on the market. There is a fillable-PDF form to allow you to do everything online. Fill in the form and email it to the address on the form, and do a BACS bank transfer of your £500 (or multiples thereof!!). The fillable form is in the Files section of this group.
Alternatively, visit pout JustGiving site to donate smaller amounts: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/brattonfleming



Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: infoman on July 05, 2020, 17:52:32
Can I ask a few things? the house is being sold for approx £350,000 so 700 persons at £500 each would suffice.

I think what we should get, is maybe a chance to stay at the location,maybe one night only to those who contributed to the fund

Or if thats not possible  why not rent out the property for a period of a maximum one week to non contributers.

I personally would not be keen on seeing my name on a plaque saying thank you to XXX for helping securing  these premises.

The cheque is already written,but if the house is not bought I would like my money returned.

Surely there must be various grants we could obtain to get all the money? Nathional Lottery and the like.

Unable to find out how long we have to collect the funds.

Can some one give me an exact location of where the house is.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on July 05, 2020, 21:21:56
Can I ask a few things? the house is being sold for approx £350,000 so 700 persons at £500 each would suffice.

I think what we should get, is maybe a chance to stay at the location, maybe one night only to those who contributed to the fund ...

Huge number of shareholders ... practical management issues for decades ...

I suspect the Exmoor Holdings (is that their name?) have skills and ideas that far surpass yours and mine ... and are the people to look at and get in touch with via the "£500 or more" link.    But, yes, there is potentially a hire home business in there.

I wonder if anyone has approached the Landmark Trust?   https://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/about-us/  and asked the $64,000 about how they would feel to covenant to allow a railway to come through?

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The Landmark Trust is a charity that rescues important buildings that would otherwise be lost.
We take on historic places in danger and carefully and sensitively restore them. By making them available for holidays, we make sure they can be enjoyed by all, both today and for future generations. We have in our care over 200 buildings in Britain, several in Italy and France and one in Belgium.

Though they range from the sober to the spectacular, all our buildings are rich in history and atmosphere. They include picturesque pavilions and medieval long-houses, artillery forts and Gothick follies, clan chiefs’ castles and cotton weavers’ cottages, the homes of great writers and the creations of great architects, from Browning to Boswell, from Pugin to Palladio.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on July 05, 2020, 21:58:18

I wonder if anyone has approached the Landmark Trust?   https://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/about-us/  and asked the $64,000 about how they would feel to covenant to allow a railway to come through?

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The Landmark Trust is a charity that rescues important buildings that would otherwise be lost.
We take on historic places in danger and carefully and sensitively restore them. By making them available for holidays, we make sure they can be enjoyed by all, both today and for future generations. We have in our care over 200 buildings in Britain, several in Italy and France and one in Belgium.

Though they range from the sober to the spectacular, all our buildings are rich in history and atmosphere. They include picturesque pavilions and medieval long-houses, artillery forts and Gothick follies, clan chiefs’ castles and cotton weavers’ cottages, the homes of great writers and the creations of great architects, from Browning to Boswell, from Pugin to Palladio.

I can vouch for the quality of Landmark Trust accomodation. We had a family holiday back in the 1960s staying at Fort Clonque on (sort of) Alderney. It's actually built on an off island rock attached by a tidal causeway.  It was like a dream come true for us that our parents had chosen a 'castle on an island' for our holiday.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 05, 2020, 22:26:04
Can I ask a few things?

[...]

Can some one give me an exact location of where the house is.

We might not be the best people to ask, but I'm sure the L&B or Exmoor Associates could quickly answer all your questions. The house is here: https://goo.gl/maps/V9XjxuUA2StETeHt5


I wonder if anyone has approached the Landmark Trust?


The Landmark Trust take on buildings that are in danger of falling down. I don't think anyone's suggesting that that's likely to happen here; it's all about securing the building and trackbed for the L&B.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on July 06, 2020, 06:38:46

I wonder if anyone has approached the Landmark Trust?


The Landmark Trust take on buildings that are in danger of falling down. I don't think anyone's suggesting that that's likely to happen here; it's all about securing the building and trackbed for the L&B.


Yes ... I quoted them as an organisation that takes on buildings for historic purposes but you're right that they tend to go for "last legs" stuff.  Others such as the National Trust also take on buildings as holiday lets with a sympathy to history - even quite close to the L&B.

https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/holidays/mortuary-cottage-devon?HolidayMapClick=012002
https://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/holidays/woolley-lodge-devon?HolidayMapClick=012003

Key here would be heritage v preservation and being sure - should someone take it on - they would ensure trains could pass in due course.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on July 08, 2020, 18:54:21
L&B Facepack page reports that the crowdfunding aspect of their appeal has reached £15,000 of their £20,000 (formerly £10,000) target.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on July 08, 2020, 23:02:00
I think rolling targets are a feature of JustGiving...


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on July 09, 2020, 00:35:24
It seems that an agreement has been reached with the vendors to get funds together by the end of the month. There also seem (according to their Facebook page) to have been some substantial donations. It's getting interesting now.

Edit: Developments have even inspired me to dust off the wallet an make a very modest donation a few hours ago.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on July 09, 2020, 05:46:46
It seems that an agreement has been reached with the vendors to get funds together by the end of the month. There also seem (according to their Facebook page) to have been some substantial donations. It's getting interesting now.

Indeed. I note that the vendor now has a high-interest property.  Any prospective purchaser will quickly become aware of the very large number of people wanting the house and land they are selling to be available at a future date to a re-opened railway, and that will not be positive on the price offer, I would not have thought - rather like buying a property with planning blight.  Should a prospective purchaser not be aware very quickly in the interest (s)he will be very likely to change his/her decision to offer once (s)he finds out.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on July 10, 2020, 11:49:39
Indeed. I note that the vendor now has a high-interest property.  Any prospective purchaser will quickly become aware of the very large number of people wanting the house and land they are selling to be available at a future date to a re-opened railway, and that will not be positive on the price offer, I would not have thought - rather like buying a property with planning blight.  Should a prospective purchaser not be aware very quickly in the interest (s)he will be very likely to change his/her decision to offer once (s)he finds out.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be the first time that someone has been able to hold a would-be purchaser to ransom. This happened to Bristol's MetroBust, when someone realised too late that they had forgotten to buy the land need for the second bridge at Bathurst Basin. You can name your price. The chap who built my own house found too late that what he thought was part of the drive actually belonged to a neighbour. He, or rather his negligent solicitor, ended up buying a strip of terra firma at an equivalent price per acre that would not have looked out of place in Mayfair.

With the station, I think there could be a good opportunity to make a return on the investment, subject to a decent rapport between owner and railway.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on July 10, 2020, 11:56:59
As a quick update to those following the Bratton Fleming station purchase appeal. The Just Giving part of the fund raiser has passed the 17 grand mark so there seems to still be a fair bit of momentum there.
I'm not completely sure what the overall total is, or indeed where the "winning line" to guarantee the acquisition has been placed so I think the bottle of champagne (or Somerset/Devon cider) is still on ice.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on July 10, 2020, 21:59:12
Apparently the Just Giving appeal has passed £19,000 today.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Umberleigh on July 23, 2020, 13:03:21
Well the good news from Exmoor Associates and Friends of Bratton Fleming Station is that THEY have now put in an offer for the station:

http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/2020/07/bratton-fleming-purchase/


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: TonyK on July 26, 2020, 11:39:33
Well the good news from Exmoor Associates and Friends of Bratton Fleming Station is that THEY have now put in an offer for the station:


Seemingly accepted, subject to the usual shenanigans.
http://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/2020/07/bratton-fleming-purchase/

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Bratton Fleming Purchase
POSTED JULY 21, 2020
A quick update …. we met with the agent and vendors on Friday (17 July) and it looks like our offer to buy has been accepted. We are keeping everything crossed.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on July 28, 2020, 15:24:40
Tempted, but sticking with UK where I know about the jurisdiction.  Not too worried about getting a bus stop at the station ... but worried about actually getting any buses to call there.

Some of my pix from Facebook ... and with confirmation from one of those core rail folks who is an advocate of better public transport even outside the working week.  Bit of a long way, though

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/gjdream.jpg)

And as a contrast in locations, now up for sale, North Woolwich Station for a million or so.
https://www.strettons.co.uk/property-search/commercial/property/25067/the-old-station-5-pier-road-royal-docks-london-e16-2jj

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The Old Station is located on Pier Road, close to its junction with Albert Road. It is situated overlooking the Thames, within a short distance to North Woolwich Pier for use of Woolwich Ferry. North Woolwich is currently undergoing vast regeneration to include a brand new residential development directly opposite the Old Station, as well as a number of mixed use developments nearby.

The Old Station was previously part of the North London Line and before that, the Great Eastern Railway. It was turned into the North Woolwich Old Station Museum in the 1980s and featured a reconstructed 1920s ticket office, plus locomotives, carriages, models and railway memorabilia.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/nwool.jpg)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: bobm on October 23, 2020, 18:22:41
After a three year gap I took advantage of the late autumn sunshine to take another trip to the L&B.

To my mind it still offers some of the best views from a heritage railway.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lb20view.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lb20vall.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lb20carr.jpg)

No pre-booking was required and there only a handful groups travelling which admittedly did make photography easier!

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lb20wood.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lb20wood2carr.jpg)

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lb20sig.jpg)


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: eightonedee on October 23, 2020, 19:09:48
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To my mind it still offers some of the best views from a heritage railway.

I think supporters of the NYMR, Wensleydale, West Somerset and Swanage may challenge that, but it certainly looks worth taking a ride to enable me to form an opinion!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: bobm on October 23, 2020, 19:33:55
Perhaps it wins on a view per mile basis!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on October 23, 2020, 19:38:44
Perhaps it wins on a view per mile basis!

On views per mile I would go for the L&B's near neighbour that you also travelled on, Bob ...


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on October 24, 2020, 17:25:56
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To my mind it still offers some of the best views from a heritage railway.

I think supporters of the NYMR, Wensleydale, West Somerset and Swanage may challenge that, but it certainly looks worth taking a ride to enable me to form an opinion!

You could certainly add the Welsh Highland to that too.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on June 15, 2021, 11:06:10
I admire the vision of those in charge of the L&B but i was always for an extension towards Parracombe once the trackbed was purchased in 2009 and some prominent figures such as the FR's Paul Lewin have voiced the same opinion. The actual running line is less than a mile at present and hasn't moved an inch in either direction since 2005.

A step closer there - see Lynton-Rail (https://www.lynton-rail.org.uk/story/parracombe-halt-ours)

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The L&B Trust is delighted to announce that it is the new owner of 'The Halt' at Parracombe. More importantly, not only does the L&B own another station - but perhaps more significantly, for the first time in our history - as we own all the trackbed from Woody Bay Station to and including Parracombe Halt - we have joined up two of the L&B's long-closed stations.

As part of the deal, the Trust also purchased the infilled Rowley Cross Cutting - extending our ownership of L&B trackbed all the way from Holwell Wood to Rowley Cross.

These two sections of railway are an important and vital part of extending our land holdings both towards rebuilding and reopening but also towards the length of line we need to unlock the TWAO application. A very good start to the year and a great cause for optimism for the future!


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on November 02, 2022, 10:17:49
So sad this is gone ... would be so wonderful to have it back

And at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=208pPyL1YCs


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 02, 2022, 11:09:33
So sad this is gone ... would be so wonderful to have it back

Perchance it is not dead but sleepeth


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: bradshaw on November 02, 2022, 13:44:45
Marion and I visited it a few weeks ago. It is well worth the trip and plans for an extension to Parracombe are in the making. However, the old halt at Parracombe was at the end of a narrow lane off the narrow road through the village. The villagers are not happy about this as they feel, I think rightly, that the village cannot take the road traffic that might develop. I did suggest to one I talked to that advertising the halt as walkers only might be an answer.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: Ralph Ayres on November 02, 2022, 15:15:03
I would expect visitors arriving by car would still use the existing car park at the other end of the line at Woody Bay. It's only a few minutes' drive away right next to the main road, it's free and anyone coming from the east would reach it first.  There would be no benefit from parking at the Parracombe end instead so I can't see a problem unless satnav users specifically put Parracombe station in rather than ask for directions to the L&B.  Other heritage railways have successfully opened stations with poor road access and pitched them at walkers and cyclists as mentioned. It could also lead to L&B passengers visiting the local pub and shop/cafe, though perhaps the locals don't want that?


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: grahame on March 24, 2023, 20:35:28
Not sure of the final / current outcome at Bratton Fleming, but here is Blackmoor Gate

https://www.lynton-rail.co.uk/news/view/old-station-house-inn-purchased

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We are pleased to announce that agreement has been reached for the L & B Blackmoor Company PLC (L&BBCo.) to purchase the Old Station House Inn at Blackmoor Gate.

The purchase includes the pub and its restaurant, the adjoining house as well as adjacent land (purchased by the L & B Trust) to accommodate the construction of the future L & B station at this site. The purchase will be completed on 17th April, 2023.


Title: Re: Lynton and Barnstaple Railway - heritage line, plans for expansion (merged posts)
Post by: johnneyw on March 25, 2023, 11:20:23
Not sure of the final / current outcome at Bratton Fleming, but here is Blackmoor Gate

It seems that they were successful.  The Exmoor Associates acquisition arm of the L&B made the following announcement a while back.

https://www.exmoor-associates.co.uk/2020/11/bratton-fleming-station-is-ours/



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