Title: Objects thrown at HST Post by: woody on May 09, 2010, 23:54:39 The 1357 Paddington/Plymouth HST was today(Sunday) hit by objects thrown by a group of youths as it passed Athelney,Somerset near Taunton causing a broken vestibule door window in the second coach.After attention at Taunton the train continued on to Plymouth arriving about 25 minutes late.If could have been much much worse.
Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: Ollie on May 10, 2010, 00:25:02 Unfortunately it's happened before and no doubt will happen again :(
Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: Brucey on May 10, 2010, 08:39:22 I've been on a bus just outside Havant where some local yobs chucked a brick through the window. The window smashed and the brick landed on the seat. Fortunately there was no-one sat nearby. Very scary incident that could have been much more dangerous.
Perhaps a job for our new government? Finding things for these kids to do? Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: IndustryInsider on May 10, 2010, 13:29:26 Perhaps a job for our new government? Finding things for these kids to do? The Olympic Shot Put perhaps? ::) Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on May 10, 2010, 13:32:43 is that near stoke st gregory?
Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: devon_metro on May 10, 2010, 14:25:52 Perhaps a job for our new government? Finding things for these kids to do? Its more a case of parents taking responsibility for their little darlings. Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: thetrout on May 10, 2010, 17:07:50 is that near stoke st gregory? Yes it is relex ;) I remember travelling on a bus a little while back to Stoke St Gregory village hall from Taunton (Stagecoach Service IIRC) for a conference... The Bus actually takes you just the other side of Athelney Level Crossing, before backtracking and then taking the turning down towards the village hall. Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: Tim on May 10, 2010, 17:21:29 Offences against the Person Act 1861
[...] 33. Casting stone, &c. upon a railway carriage, with intent to endanger the safety of any person therein. Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously throw, or cause to fall or strike, at, against, into, or upon any engine, tender, carriage, or truck used upon any railway, any wood, stone, or other matter or thing, with intent to injure or endanger the safety of any person being in or upon such engine, tender, carriage, or truck, or in or upon any other engine, tender, carriage, or truck of any train of which such first-mentioned engine, tender, carriage, or truck shall form part, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to be kept in penal servitude for life This part of the act would appear to be still in force. Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: matt473 on May 10, 2010, 17:32:25 Perhaps a job for our new government? Finding things for these kids to do? Make it compulsory for each train to have a mini trebuchet and adequate training for drivers to return fire accurately ;) Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: Brucey on May 10, 2010, 17:39:23 Offences against the Person Act 1861 Unfortunately the Criminal Justice Act 1948 says this:[...] 33. Casting stone, &c. upon a railway carriage, with intent to endanger the safety of any person therein. Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously throw, or cause to fall or strike, at, against, into, or upon any engine, tender, carriage, or truck used upon any railway, any wood, stone, or other matter or thing, with intent to injure or endanger the safety of any person being in or upon such engine, tender, carriage, or truck, or in or upon any other engine, tender, carriage, or truck of any train of which such first-mentioned engine, tender, carriage, or truck shall form part, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to be kept in penal servitude for life This part of the act would appear to be still in force. Quote 1 Abolition of penal servitude, hard labour and prison divisions However the life part still stands, unless someone can find something to the contrary.(1)No person shall be sentenced by a court to penal servitude; and every enactment conferring power on a court to pass a sentence of penal servitude in any case shall be construed as conferring power to pass a sentence of imprisonment for a term not exceeding the maximum term of penal servitude for which a sentence could have been passed in that case immediately before the commencement of this Act. ... Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on May 10, 2010, 18:18:45 is that near stoke st gregory? Yes it is relex ;) I remember travelling on a bus a little while back to Stoke St Gregory village hall from Taunton (Stagecoach Service IIRC) for a conference... The Bus actually takes you just the other side of Athelney Level Crossing, before backtracking and then taking the turning down towards the village hall. im ive driven over it while performing my fun job Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: Tim on May 11, 2010, 11:07:27 Offences against the Person Act 1861 Unfortunately the Criminal Justice Act 1948 says this:[...] 33. Casting stone, &c. upon a railway carriage, with intent to endanger the safety of any person therein. Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously throw, or cause to fall or strike, at, against, into, or upon any engine, tender, carriage, or truck used upon any railway, any wood, stone, or other matter or thing, with intent to injure or endanger the safety of any person being in or upon such engine, tender, carriage, or truck, or in or upon any other engine, tender, carriage, or truck of any train of which such first-mentioned engine, tender, carriage, or truck shall form part, shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable to be kept in penal servitude for life This part of the act would appear to be still in force. Quote 1 Abolition of penal servitude, hard labour and prison divisions However the life part still stands, unless someone can find something to the contrary.(1)No person shall be sentenced by a court to penal servitude; and every enactment conferring power on a court to pass a sentence of penal servitude in any case shall be construed as conferring power to pass a sentence of imprisonment for a term not exceeding the maximum term of penal servitude for which a sentence could have been passed in that case immediately before the commencement of this Act. ... The 1861 also requires intent. Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: James Vertigan on May 30, 2010, 18:45:33 I've been on a bus just outside Havant where some local yobs chucked a brick through the window. The window smashed and the brick landed on the seat. Fortunately there was no-one sat nearby. Very scary incident that could have been much more dangerous. Perhaps a job for our new government? Finding things for these kids to do? Slightly related, but I've been on a Stagecoach Devon 155 (between Exeter, Tiverton & Barnstaple) service which had one of its top windows broken, not by a youth, but by a low tree branch, the driver had to stop near South Molton to push the glass out. It amazes me that they use double deckers on some of these rural routes, when First North Devon operated the route with the 346, they only ever used single deckers, but in those days it was only a Barnstaple-Tiverton service. Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: RichieG on May 30, 2010, 20:25:09 Slightly related, but I've been on a Stagecoach Devon 155 (between Exeter, Tiverton & Barnstaple) service which had one of its top windows broken, not by a youth, but by a low tree branch, the driver had to stop near South Molton to push the glass out. It amazes me that they use double deckers on some of these rural routes, when First North Devon operated the route with the 346, they only ever used single deckers, but in those days it was only a Barnstaple-Tiverton service. Sorry for taking this further off-topic but I was on plenty 346es which were double-deckers (next part of the story would say that these double-deckers were empty with only three passengers betwixt Tivvy and SM while the small single deckers that they used to use as well before they were phased out used to be packed to standing for the entire journey! But I shan't go there yet...)Perhaps should these yobs ever be caught, the drivers of said vehicles (whether trains, buses, HGVs, motorcycles, etc) should be allowed to throw rocks at them? Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: James Vertigan on May 30, 2010, 22:19:53 Sorry for taking this further off-topic but I was on plenty 346es which were double-deckers (next part of the story would say that these double-deckers were empty with only three passengers betwixt Tivvy and SM while the small single deckers that they used to use as well before they were phased out used to be packed to standing for the entire journey! But I shan't go there yet...) Really Richie? I am surprises as I can honestly say in all my years of going down to North Devon I can never remember a double decker 346. The bus always passes by the top of the drive of our house (which was my grandmother's) there, on the B3137. I never really started taking buses around the area until I was a lot older, maybe a year or two before the franchise was handed over to Stagecoach, but I remember the single decker yellow buses (rather confusingly called "First Red Bus" if I remember!) and then First's livery change to white before the route was transferred to Stagecoach and extended to Exeter. Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: RichieG on May 31, 2010, 00:04:20 Admittedly, I may have exaggerated slightly when I said 'plenty' but I used to catch a 346 to and from college on occasions (I live near South Molton and went college and now work in Tivvy) as well as catching a 346 into Barnstaple from SM (the connection I had from my village was usually a 346 not a 307) and there were quite a number of times when it was a DD. I can't say I ever counted mind... I think the 'standard' vehicle for that route though was a normal single decker (as opposed to the short ones). I think that as First neared the end of their monopolic franchse in North Devon they tried to put on DDs between South Molton and Barnstaple wherever possible and now that's the standard with the X7 route, and Stagecoach have them on the 155 for the Tiverton - Exeter leg of the trip to go with the 55 series' of routes (which, I have seen as small single deckers before whilst roaming around Tiverton).
Anyway, muchus apolgeticus for taking this somewhat off-topic here! Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: Brucey on June 03, 2010, 13:01:46 Just saw this story in the Portsmouth Evening News where the train driver sufferred injuries to his eye after having a brick thrown at his train
Quote A pair of youths have been arrested in connection with an incident where a brick was hurled into the cab of a moving train. http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/fareham-and-meon/Brick-thrown-at-Southampton-bound.6326337.jpThe brick was thrown from a bridge at the train shortly after it left Swanwick station, heading towards Southampton, at about 4pm on Tuesday. It smashed the window and injured the driver's eye. On arrival at Southampton Central station the driver was taken to hospital and later discharged. Anyone who saw the incident or has information should contact British Transport Police on 0800 405040. Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 03, 2010, 21:20:05 From the BTP press release (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/THIRD-YOUTH-ARRESTED-AFTER-BRICK-SMASHES-TRAIN-WINDOW-BURSLEDON-HANTS-f59.aspx):
Quote British Transport Police (BTP) detectives have arrested a third youth after a brick thrown at a train in Bursledon shattered the driver^s cab window, leaving him with glass in his eyes. The incident took place around 4pm last Tuesday, 25 May. After making local inquiries and searching the area immediately after the incident, police arrested a 15-year-old from Sarisbury Green on suspicion of endangering safety. A second youth ^ a 13-year-old from Sarisbury Green - was arrested the next day, Wednesday 26 May, while a third youth, a 12-year-old, also from Sarisbury Green, was arrested on Monday, 31 May. All three have been released on police bail pending further enquiries and will return on Monday, 14 and Wednesday, 16 June. The 2.33pm Brighton to Southampton Central Southern service was passing through the Lower Swanwick area around 4pm when an object was thrown at the driver^s window, shattering the glass and leaving him with glass in his eyes. The driver, a 43-year-old from Bognor Regis, West Sussex, was taken to hospital by paramedics from the South Central Ambulance Service. After attending an Eye Clinic at Southampton General Hospital he was discharged later that evening and returned home. Detective Constable Matt Bevan, based at Southampton BTP station on Blechynden Terrace, said: "This was an extremely foolish and dangerous act that has resulted in a man being injured. We urge those who think that throwing stones and other objects at trains is fun to think about the consequences of their actions which, in this case, could have been much worse.^ Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: Brucey on June 03, 2010, 21:25:06 Thanks for the link Chris - at least the driver is okay, albeit probably quite traumatised.
But I just can't understand (and never have understood) why kids would want to do this? What do they get out of it? Is it purely because they don't have anything better to do with their time? Title: Re: Objects thrown at HST Post by: James158 on June 18, 2010, 12:50:51 I've been on a bus just outside Havant where some local yobs chucked a brick through the window. The window smashed and the brick landed on the seat. Fortunately there was no-one sat nearby. Very scary incident that could have been much more dangerous. Perhaps a job for our new government? Finding things for these kids to do? Me and my mum were also on a bus in Bristol that had a glass bottle thrown through the window near the doorway. Thankfully the bus was empty so no injuries. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |