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Title: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: bleeder4 on March 19, 2010, 18:36:37
From this week's Evesham Journal http://www.eveshamjournal.co.uk/news/5069772.Scheme_to_restore_rail_line_proposed/
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"A proposal to reopen the line from Stratford through Long Marston and Honeybourne towards Cheltenham, are part of a raft of plans detailed in Network Rail^s latest Route Utilisation Strategy.

The report states that the route could be opened to freight traffic and passenger services permanently as a relief to existing rail lines that are approaching full capacity.

If the plans go ahead it would mean passenger services returning to the route for the first time in about half a century"
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I suspect this won't really get off the ground, what with the Redoubling project. I doubt the greenlight will be given to another substantial engineering project in such a short space of time.

It would also involve substantial work at the station and the surrounding B roads, to accomodate the extra traffic the new line will attract.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: Electric train on March 19, 2010, 19:18:40
Not quite true there has been some jounolistic hype see http://www.gwsr.com/news/latest-news/'speculative'-plans-for-the-honeybourne-line.aspx (http://www.gwsr.com/news/latest-news/'speculative'-plans-for-the-honeybourne-line.aspx)

NR have made passive allowance in the RUS at Honeybourne for The GWR Honeybourne Line future use of the station should they extend beyone Broadway.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on March 20, 2010, 01:00:59
Before going on about journalistic hype, I would suggest you actually read what is said on this topic in the consultation responses on the RUS submitted by DB Schenker and the Rail Freight Group, especially about the Honeybourne-Long Marston-Stratford section. I will even give you the links. On the DB Schenker one, see pages 14 and 29. In the RFG one, see point 13 on the third page.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/rus%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/great%20western/consultation%20responses/d/db%20schenker.pdf

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/rus%20documents/route%20utilisation%20strategies/great%20western/consultation%20responses/r/rail%20freight%20group.pdf

The ideas are now listed in the RUS as unfunded aspirations, which wasn't the case in the draft version, and I believe this does give proposals some kind of official status when it comes to seeking funding in the longer term. And no-one is suggesting it would be anything but long term. Long-term thinking is the whole point of an RUS.

It's up to you to decide whether the openly expressed opinions of two respectable organisations should just be ignored by us hype-merchants but remember, it's just five years since the SRA said in the last Great Western RUS there was no case for redoubling the Cotswold Line...


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 20, 2010, 03:21:15
(Tongue-in-cheek mode firmly on...I'm typing this with a smile on my face, it's a joke, meant in fun, please don't take it too seriously, flame me etc: have I made this clear enough?? Just in case I'll type a line of these  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) and some of these too  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P and maybe one or two of these  ;D :D :) )

After all, the fourth estate would never publish over-hyped nonsense about the railways (http://www.badscience.net/2010/03/rentokil/), would it...?

Just to be on the safe side ;)


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: Electric train on March 20, 2010, 08:03:22
Willc I agree with you that the RUS mentions the Honeybourne Line and it may well be an aspiration of DB etc to have it as an additional route, the route from Cheltenham to north of Broadway is own by GWR, not saying that fright and service trains could not operate on privately owned infrastructure my point was that news papers had made it as a given that this were firm plans.

 


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on March 20, 2010, 10:29:07
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my point was that news papers had made it as a given that this were firm plans.

The original Echo story quotes a Network Rail spokeswoman as follows at the start of the fifth paragraph, so it's hardly buried. And in the web version at least it was headlined 'Honeybourne Line back on track?' Question marks tend not to indicate certainty.

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She said: "This is an aspiration rather than a definite plan at this stage."

A point which was repeated, citing Network Rail again, in the follow-up story on the GWR reaction. I'm not sure how you can say that means the newspaper was indicating it was a firm plan.

In any case, both DBS and the RFG are clearly far more interested at this stage in the Honeybourne-Stratford section and the possibilities of a quieter route with more pathing opportunities than Oxford-Banbury-Leamington, never mind the possible provision of a fast passenger link between Oxford and Stratford, two of the biggest tourist destinations in England, as well as a third Worcester-Birmingham route, which would give Evesham better rail links to the West Midlands and linking Worcester with Warwick and Leamington.

And while the GWR may have a point about Network Rail not telling them it was including the mention of the Honeybourne-Cheltenham part of the line in the RUS document, they know full well - as they acknowledge - about the notion of bringing the route back into the national network and have done for about a decade, since when I was working for the Echo around 2000 we ran a story then about EWS floating the same ideas as DB Schenker did during the RUS consultation last year.

It's not as if preserved railways are not used for freight traffic anyway, eg military vehicles to Redmire and Dereham, traffic in the past from a private siding in Bodmin and the Weardale Railway's current proposal to move opencast coal. Honeybourne would be a different case, since it has potential as a strategic route - something that saw it last into the 1970s even though all local traffic was long gone.

PS: inspector, to quote Ronald Reagan during a 1980 US presidential election debate - there you go again. When it comes to accuracy and clarity, I could mention scientists working on climate change. There, I've done it.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on October 02, 2010, 17:58:43
The Shakespeare Line Promotion Group has published a report on the case for reopening the line between Stratford-upon-Avon, Long Marston and Honeybourne.

Stratford Herald report here http://www.stratford-herald.com/mainstory.php?ID=2462
Pdf of report here http://www.shakespeareline.com/downloads/arl_case.pdf


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: eightf48544 on October 03, 2010, 11:34:29
With hindsight this is one of the post Beeching closures that perhaps shouldn't have happened.

Gives scope for a Birmingham circle for stock utilisation. Snow Hill Kidderminster, Droitwich, Worcester, Eversham, Stratford and back to Snow Hill either via Shirely or Solihull.

In my area East/West and Bourne End-Wycombe would give Buckinghmashire a superb Rail Network.

It would link all the major centres of population. From Slough/Maidenhead to High Wycombe, Ayesbury up to Milton Keynes on the North/South axis.

Plus Oxford/Bicester to Milton Keynes and possibly Aylesbury (with reversal) and give alternative routes to Oxford/Bicester from Maidenhead 


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: 53808 on October 03, 2010, 19:55:10
I would agree that there is a 'degree of interest' in a possible Stratford - Honeybourne reopening within the industry, although I don't think anyone realistically expects it to be anything other than a longer-term possibility at this stage.

I've heard much less talk recently, however, about Honeybourne - Cheltenham, although the benefits of a direct link to the G&WR at Honeybourne will not be lost on main line charter operators, in the hopeful event that the heritage line eventually makes it to Honeybourne.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: anthony215 on October 04, 2010, 13:51:20
Sadly whilst I think this scheme like many others is a good idea, it will always come down to money.

I think it will be great for the GWR to reach Honeybourne and it will make it easier for those of us who travel to the railway using Public Transport


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: stebbo on October 10, 2010, 18:10:26
There was talk, in the context of the proposed "new town" at Long Marston, of re-opening Long Marston to Honeybourne, although reopening to Stratford would seem more sensible as, I guess, more people around Long Marston would be likely to work around Birmingham. But is there now enough room to get the line back into Stratford since they built the ring road?


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on October 10, 2010, 20:08:16
Would that it were as grand as a ring road... but the answer to your question is yes, there is still room to put in a single track alongside the road on the section from the former Evesham Road level crossing through to the edge of town.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: ChrisB on October 13, 2010, 15:27:49
Does anyone know whether the local authority has reserved that stretch for transport use (rather than housing)


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on October 14, 2010, 00:12:26
Sorry Chris, not with you on that. The section from Evesham Road to the edge of town is now a road, with, as I said, room for a rail track to be slotted in as well if such a thing were ever needed again. And the rest of the trackbed from Evesham Road to the station is hemmed in by housing and used as a public path, so not suitable for development anyway.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: ChrisB on October 14, 2010, 09:21:46
ok, now I understand. How long would the single track be then?


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on October 14, 2010, 13:09:28
500-600 metres.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on November 06, 2010, 19:21:49
The idea of reopening seems to be causing a bit of a stir in Stratford.

QUESTIONS RAISED OVER FREIGHT TRAFFIC IF RAIL LINK IS REOPENED
FREIGHT trains or no freight trains? That was the question last night after Network Rail failed to confirm or deny a fundamental detail upon which a whole survey by two local Conservative councillors was based

See http://www.stratford-herald.com/mainstory.php?ID=2489

I'm not aware that traffic is banned from the said transport corridor through the town at night and can testify to the racket lorries can make even though I live 100 yards back from the Fosse Way, lorries which of course stick carefully to the 30mph limit in the early hours. Trains wouldn't exactly be tearing along and a 66 at low power, moving a fully-loaded Freightliner at walking pace, is a very quiet piece of machinery (wheel flats on the wagons seem to be the main noise issue). Maybe they should go to Oxford station and see them in action as the drivers crawl through the station while waiting for passenger trains to leave southbound and clear the signals to Hinksey.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: ChrisB on November 07, 2010, 09:41:16
Or come crashing through Banbury at 70mph......deafening.


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on November 07, 2010, 09:58:14
Not quite so many houses adjacent to the railway at Banbury than alongside the road/ex-railway here though http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/60630
and you certainly wouldn't want to try 70mph through Stratford station, it could get rather messy on the sweeping s-curve http://www.petertandy.co.uk/150015_SonA_310810.jpg

Peter Tandy has a few more old and recent pictures of the line in and around the town, including the level crossing and signal box which used to stand where the roundabout in the first picture is here http://petertandy.co.uk/Stratford%20page.html


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: ChrisB on November 07, 2010, 10:07:12
Not quite so many houses adjacent to the railway at Banbury than alongside the road/ex-railway here though http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/60630

More in Banbury in terms of flats than shown in that photo actually. Merton Street to the East is full of them - and they're already complaining that rail noise is keeping them awake / waking them early in the morning (then why buy a flat next to the railway?....doh!!)

The automatic train announcer has been shut off until 0630 as a consequence! (But manual announcements take their place.....). Sorry, serves 'em right for buying....


Title: Re: Proposal to Re-open the Honeybourne - Stratford line
Post by: willc on November 07, 2010, 10:47:31
Quite. Though Merton Street is set back rather more from the railway running lines than those houses in Stratford ever were. And their design indicates they went up a good few years after the railway was built and with not very quiet steam trains blasting past accelerating on their way south. Put up some chunky sound barriers, impose a low speed limit and trains through Stratford might well be drowned out by traffic noise much of the time.



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