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Title: Level crossing incidents at Sandy Lane and Yarnton Lane - merged posts
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 14, 2010, 00:16:18
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/4849226.Man_killed_by_train_at_crossing/):

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A man has been killed at a level crossing near Yarnton.

The man died after being hit by a train at the crossing in Yarnton Lane, at about 2pm today.

Police are currently at the scene and have cordoned off a section of the road.

The line between Oxford and Banbury has been closed.

A spokesman for First Great Western warned passengers to expect delays and cancellations.


Title: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 02, 2013, 17:06:40
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-20892607 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-20892607)

Mods please feel free to delete if already posted but I couldn't see it anywhere

Dave


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 02, 2013, 17:08:58
I was on a north downs service bound towards reading when the TM advised that XC services were not running because of a "major incident at a level crossing between Oxford and Banbury"

Like I said,not a good start to the new year.

Dave


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 02, 2013, 17:13:47
For those that don't know, Sandy Lane is an AHB (Automatic Half Barrier) crossing on the main line with line speeds of 100mph.  This freight train would have been travelling at no more than 75mph though.

Another tragic level crossing incident, and the BBC has at least stuck with a sensible, non sensationalist and accurate headline rather than ITV's three offerings which have had the following three headlines so far:

'Train crash death - police statement' ITV News 16:41
'One man dead in train crash' ITV News 16:31
'Transport police confirm train crash' ITV News 16:21


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on January 02, 2013, 17:16:05
I regularly use this level crossing (Sandy Lane between Yarnton and Kidlington) and although it is relatively narrow and twisty unclassified road, it is well used with vehicles using the crossing every minute or so, more at peak hours. I have on several occasions seen vehicles dodging between the barriers as they drop down and vehicles often cross the tracks when the lights are flashing so this incident does not surprise me as there have been other such accidents in the past (not really accidents as the vehicle drivers intentionally crash the lights). I believe that this crossing is scheduled to have the mobile automatic number plate detection located there and it is definitely needed there.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Andy W on January 02, 2013, 17:17:38
Michael Crick (Channel 4 news) has just put this on twitter

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick

Rail source tells me "technical problems for years" at Yarnton, Oxon level-crossing where man killed this pm. "I knew this would happen."


Network Rail & RAIB will investigate but I really hope it is not true.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: EBrown on January 02, 2013, 17:17:54
'Train crash death - police statement' ITV News 16:41
'One man dead in train crash' ITV News 16:31
'Transport police confirm train crash' ITV News 16:21
And now:
Train crash death - first pictures ITV News 1642

Why people would want pictures of two police cars, a police officer, a road closed sign and some orange people is odd.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 02, 2013, 17:21:47
Yes, it's quite a busy crossing and the view from the road either side of the barrier looking north (where the train in question was coming from) isn't great with a combination of a curve in the track and the old crossing keepers house.  Totally different to 'Yarnton Lane' AHB less than a mile away which has one vehicle an hour going over it roughly.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: EBrown on January 02, 2013, 17:24:44
For reference you can find the tweet here (https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/status/286517278038708224).


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: TonyK on January 02, 2013, 17:30:19
I'm afraid it is accurate, according to the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-20892607)

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Man dies after car struck by freight train at Yarnton level crossing
 

A man has died after a car was struck by a freight train at a level crossing in Oxfordshire.

British Transport Police (BTP) said officers were called to Sandy Lane level crossing, Yarnton, at 15:40 GMT.

It is believed two people were in the vehicle at the time. One of them was pronounced dead at the scene.

The second person in the car has been taken to hospital. Their condition is not yet known.

The train involved was travelling from Trafford Park to Southampton. The driver of the train is reported to be shaken but uninjured.

BTP said officers were at the scene working to establish how the car came to be on the track.

Cross Country and First Great Western rail services between Oxford and Banbury have been disrupted and replacement buses are in operation.

From GWR's twitter feed:

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First Great Western @FGW

 RT @btp_uk Officers are at a level crossing in #Yarnton, Oxon (nr #Tackley) after a car was struck by a train.

From GWR's Journey Check:

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Line problem: between Banbury and...
 Owing to a problem at a level crossing between Banbury and Oxford all lines are blocked.
 Impact:
 Train services running through these stations may be cancelled at short notice. Disruption is expected until 02:00 03/01.
 Customer Advice:
 Chiltern Railways, Cross Country and London Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for First Great Western rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
 Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Banbury and Oxford via Heyford in both directions until further notice.

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17:23 Banbury to Oxford due 17:52
 This train will be cancelled.
 This is due to a problem at a level crossing.

3 other trains are cancelled.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: TonyK on January 02, 2013, 17:41:34
From Meridian News: (http://www.itv.com/news/meridian/2013-01-02/man-killed-in-train-crash/)

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Man killed in train crash
- last updated Wed 2 Jan 2013


A man has died after a car was hit by a freight train at a level crossing in Oxfordshire this afternoon.

The man was one of two people in the car which was hit at the crossing in Sandy Lane, Yarnton, Oxfordshire.

British Transport Police said the man was prunounced dead at the scene after they were called at 3.40pm.

A spokeswoman said: "It is believed two people were in the vehicle at the time.

"Sadly, one of them, a man, was pronounced dead at the scene.

"The train involved was a Trafford Park to Southampton freight service, and the driver is reported to be shaken but uninjured.

"Officers are working to establish the full circumstances, including how the car came to be on the tracks at the time."

Train passengers on Cross Country and First Great Western services are being warned that they face delays of up to an hour because of the crash north of Oxford, according to the National Rail Enquiries website.

Buses are replacing trains between Oxford and Banbury.

First Great Western said it was expecting disruption to continue into the early hours of tomorrow morning.

The rural crossing in a quiet country lane was reportedly due to be visited by a new speed camera van designed to catch people who attempt to beat level crossing barriers.

British Transport Police are rolling out the purpose-built van to crossings in the county where drivers are known to gamble on beating the warning signals and barriers to get across before the train arrives.

It would then collect video evidence for prosecutions.

A South Central Ambulance Service spokeswoman said one person involved in the crash had been taken to the John Radcliffe Hospital in Oxford with minor injuries, while two others were treated at the scene.

She was unable to say whether they were in the car or on board the train.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 02, 2013, 17:45:02

II I ave no reason to doubt your understanding of which crossing the accident happened at but is the meridian article (above) consistent with the crossing you describe ?


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Phil on January 02, 2013, 18:01:35
As a complete aside to this tragic set of circumstances, when did "goods trains" become "freight trains" (ref. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-20892607 )? Did I miss something, or is it simply part of the creeping Americanization of the British media at large?


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: TonyK on January 02, 2013, 18:04:06
I don't know the crossing. The Meridian article seemed to me to say more than is needed at present, and possibly to have drifted from factual reportage into conjecture.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: EBrown on January 02, 2013, 18:08:27

II I ave no reason to doubt your understanding of which crossing the accident happened at but is the meridian article (above) consistent with the crossing you describe ?
Yes, it is a rural road, that doesn't mean it's not busy. The speed limit is 60 miles per hour, the road has several twists and bends in (one right before the level crossing) (East side). I would categorise it as a Country road.

Not a country lane (which is Yarton Lane Level Crossing).


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: grandsire on January 02, 2013, 18:12:30
Michael Crick (Channel 4 news) has just put this on twitter

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick

Rail source tells me "technical problems for years" at Yarnton, Oxon level-crossing where man killed this pm. "I knew this would happen."


Network Rail & RAIB will investigate but I really hope it is not true.

The Michael Crick article seems to say the "fault" is that the barriers stay down too long i.e preventing road vehicles from moving forward.  If so then this is if anything a "fail safe".



Edit note: Quote marks fixed. CfN.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: SandTEngineer on January 02, 2013, 18:34:32
The Michael Crick article seems to say the "fault" is that the barriers stay down too long i.e preventing road vehicles from moving forward.  If so then this is if anything a "fail safe".

What absolute tosh.  For an AHBC the road closure time is a minimum of 29 seconds and worse case (for two trains with the first striking out just as the second strikes in is 29+10+29=68 seconds).  It may be slightly longer if the trains are not running at linespeed but the normal calculations are based upon 80% of trains arriving within the 29 seconds.  I don't think that the train passing time is likely to add much to that (depends on train length) so say worse case is crossing closed for 90 seconds.

Edit to add some extra comments: My professional experience shows that most AHBC level crossings are only closed to road traffic for around 45 seconds at the most at any one time (accepted that the number of closures may follow each other quite closely, a minimum of 10 seconds apart).  As we have debated many times before on this forum, level crossings are safe if used properly (would you cross a red light at a road junction??).

Despite what I have said here my sympathy still goes out to the family who lost a dear loved one (and to the train driver to whom it must have been quite a shock).


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Andy W on January 02, 2013, 18:35:26
f.y.i.

http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/technical-problems-for-years-at-oxfordshire-level-crossing-where-man-died/2084

Not really sure this is a technical problem appears to be inappropriate equipment.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 02, 2013, 18:48:20
What absolute tosh.  For an AHBC the road closure time is a minimum of 29 seconds and worse case (for two trains with the first striking out just as the second strikes in is 29+10+29=68 seconds).  It may be slightly longer if the trains are not running at linespeed but the normal calculations are based upon 80% of trains arriving within the 29 seconds.  I don't think that the train passing time is likely to add much to that (depends on train length) so say worse case is crossing closed for 90 seconds.

Indeed, and much quicker than at CCTV or locally controlled full barrier crossings where several minutes is often the norm.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: TonyK on January 02, 2013, 19:17:20

Not really sure this is a technical problem appears to be inappropriate equipment.

Or inappropriate use of appropriate equipment. We will only know when the report into the accident is published.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 02, 2013, 20:21:22
Indeed: thanks for your restrained comments, everyone, in such sad circumstances.

I've moved and merged a couple of topics here, as the discussion was a duplication - purely in the interests of continuity and completeness, as always.

Hope this clarifies, CfN.  :(


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: mjones on January 02, 2013, 21:16:43
Michael Crick (Channel 4 news) has just put this on twitter

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick

Rail source tells me "technical problems for years" at Yarnton, Oxon level-crossing where man killed this pm. "I knew this would happen."


Network Rail & RAIB will investigate but I really hope it is not true.

The Michael Crick article seems to say the "fault" is that the barriers stay down too long i.e preventing road vehicles from moving forward.  If so then this is if anything a "fail safe".


Yes, the implication of the blog seemed to be that the 'fault' means traffic is being delayed unnecessarily, thereby presumably encouraging people to take risks to avoid delay. Which is a rather strange interpretation of the 'cause' of an accident...


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: thetrout on January 03, 2013, 08:46:21
(would you cross a red light at a road junction??).

Whilst it might not be the right thread to raise these comments as they may seem insenstive, for which I apologise in advance.

But it sometimes that very point comes down to person driving the vehicle. In some cases a pedestrian crossing the road/railway. (appreciated we don't know the full circumstances) In some cases even both and a prime example of that happened to me yesterday, When half way across a Pedestrian Crossing showing a Green Man. (It definitely was as there were several witnesses who confirmed that) Admittedly I had committed the awful sin of walking and cellphone talking. Whilst I was certainly aware of my surroundings, I was distracted by the phone call. The traffic to the right of me had stopped and I was half way across when a Young Female Driver (I'd say late teens and no derogatory comments r.e. female drivers implied) approaching from the left side was chatting to her friend in the passenger seat. I immediately became aware of this and so did she. Sadly, it was after she'd run the red light which resulted in me becoming a temporary Honda Hood Ornament >:( Fortunately she was doing no more than 15 mph.

On the relation to that subject I was talking to a BTP Officer about Level Crossings after his colleague didn't believe the story about the Bus Driver getting stuck on the crossing. He said to me one of the worst things you can say is: "I didn't see the lights, as that's driving without due care and attention"

Whilst I am certainly not implying or speculating that lack of attention was the case here. I was trying to sum up a general point of those lights and barriers are there for a reason. Also don't cross the road or railway whilst on a cellphone!


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 03, 2013, 09:40:18

Whilst it might not be the right thread to raise these comments as they may seem insenstive, for which I apologise in advance.


I agree with your sentiment - this is why I posted my original in "Frequent Posters" but understand the decision to move it elsewhere


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 03, 2013, 20:16:31
Thanks, BerkshireBugsy.

It is a very difficult decision, working out where best on this forum to place any discussion about an incident in which someone has died.

However, on balance, and provided our members post appropriately, I do think it's better to conduct any discussion in the public area of this forum - where our hopefully constructive comments and suggestions can reach a wider audience.

Chris.  :(


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Oxman on January 03, 2013, 20:28:21
BBC Oxford reported tonight that NR has stated that the crossing was working correctly at the time of the accident.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 03, 2013, 20:32:01
Thanks, BerkshireBugsy.

It is a very difficult decision, working out where best on this forum to place any discussion about an incident in which someone has died.

However, on balance, and provided our members post appropriately, I do think it's better to conduct any discussion in the public area of this forum - where our hopefully constructive comments and suggestions can reach a wider audience.

Chris.  :(

No problem CfN - I certainly understand. I guess maybe I am over sensitive because I live fairly near ufton nervett and go past it every day on the train.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Andy W on January 03, 2013, 21:16:16
http://www.btp.police.uk/latest_news/car_struck_by_train_yarnton.asp

Fyi


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: thetrout on January 04, 2013, 05:15:10
http://www.btp.police.uk/latest_news/car_struck_by_train_yarnton.asp

Fyi

Link gives me a 404 error (Page not found) :(

* Edit to add * Correct link is here: http://www.btp.police.uk/latest_news/car_struck_by_train_yarnton.aspx (http://www.btp.police.uk/latest_news/car_struck_by_train_yarnton.aspx)


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Andy W on January 04, 2013, 09:54:06
Hi The Trout .......... thanks for correcting my post and adding an x  ;)


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on January 04, 2013, 21:23:38
I know the crossing pretty well and I've always regarded it as safe provided drivers observe the signals. As one of the site's members says, level crossings are safe unless used in an unsafe manner.

If the car driver attempted to weave round the barriers then that's asking for trouble. I suppose the answer is always to install full width barriers


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: JayMac on January 04, 2013, 21:35:51
Full width barriers will only be used if the crossing is monitored. Either locally (e.g. a signal box) or by a signalman viewing a CCTV feed. They can then raise the barriers should a vehicle become trapped on the crossing.

The reason for the half barriers at automatic unmonitored crossings is so that they don't inadvertently trap a vehicle on the crossing. A vehicle's exit off the crossing is always clear. If you had full barriers at an automatic unmonitored crossing you'd have no way for vehicles to escape the crossing once the barriers are lowered.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: SandTEngineer on January 05, 2013, 12:04:40
Full width barriers will only be used if the crossing is monitored. Either locally (e.g. a signal box) or by a signalman viewing a CCTV feed. They can then raise the barriers should a vehicle become trapped on the crossing.

The reason for the half barriers at automatic unmonitored crossings is so that they don't inadvertently trap a vehicle on the crossing. A vehicle's exit off the crossing is always clear. If you had full barriers at an automatic unmonitored crossing you'd have no way for vehicles to escape the crossing once the barriers are lowered.

Not quite true now.  There is a type of level crossing now called a MCB-OD (OD=Obstacle Detector).  This has full barriers but no CCTV system. The crossing is proved clear by radar detection.   It is essentially an automatic crossing with full barriers,  They are begining to be installed on the network and, despite a few teething problems, seem to be the way forward for high risk level crossings.

http://www.rssb.co.uk/sitecollectiondocuments/pdf/reports/research/T729_rpt_final.pdf
http://www.signalbox.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3467


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on January 05, 2013, 16:33:42
But I'm sorry to say that if you instal half barriers you will always get the odd "clown" with occasionally predictable and sad results.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 05, 2013, 16:54:50
But I'm sorry to say that if you instal half barriers you will always get the odd "clown" with occasionally predictable and sad results.
I'm not sure that the description of a clown is suited to those who are intent on committing suicide but that is just my opinion


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: John R on January 05, 2013, 17:15:20
Whilst I think we all have our views about those who dodge round the barriers at level crossings, I think it's safe to assume that the majority don't have any thoughts of suicide, but are simply reckless in not being prepared to wait. I think it's those who stebbo are describing as clowns. (Of course, in this case we must wait to hear the accident report, so I'm not making any suggestion as to what may have happened.)


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on January 05, 2013, 17:38:17
Apologies.

Those clearly intent on suicide - for whom I feel genuinely sorry - will always find a way and I guess there are easier ways of ending matters than looking for a half barrier level crossing. I suspect most of those who weave around the barriers are those who can't wait/don't think or are confused or intoxicated.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: devon_metro on January 05, 2013, 17:42:29
Surprised that some sort of obstruction detection device has not been fitted to level crossings, automatically reverting the signals protecting the crossing to danger if something is detected to be obstructing the crossing.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 05, 2013, 17:46:03
Apologies.

Those clearly intent on suicide - for whom I feel genuinely sorry - will always find a way and I guess there are easier ways of ending matters than looking for a half barrier level crossing. I suspect most of those who weave around the barriers are those who can't wait/don't think or are confused or intoxicated.

Agreed. As has been said on here before those intent on suicide will find a way. There have been occasions on early Tuesday morning where, at my local station, revellers have got of the train after a night out on the booze and have tried to climb over the lowered barriers. I think that at the last moment sanity prevels and they change their mind (or just can't manage it)

As a thought why is it not possible to have cameras which are activated when the orange lights start to flash and deactivate when the barriers are fully raised again? I guess cost is one of the factors.



Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: TonyK on January 05, 2013, 17:49:40

As a thought why is it not possible to have cameras which are activated when the orange lights start to flash and deactivate when the barriers are fully raised again? I guess cost is one of the factors.



I think also that the timescales involved in such incidents which can be measured in terms of a few seconds, would mean little improvement would be possible.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on January 05, 2013, 18:24:52
Agreed. In my experience of unmanned level crossings, including the one at Sandy Lane incidentally, once the train strikes the treadles and initiates the red lights and barrier lowering there isn't time to then check the crossing and, if necessary, stop the train which is likely travelling at full speed.

The only way to do this is to have cameras so that the signalman can check the crossing is clear before he then clears the signals. This system is used just north of Cheltenham Spa and can cause huge delays and traffic bottlenecks especially if a northbound train is starting from Cheltenham as the train manager won't close the doors and signal the train away until the barriers are down, the signalman's checked the cameras and then cleared the starting signal - and the train then has to travel about three quarters of a mile from a standing start. If the train is coming south, the barriers have to be lowered way in advance.

Of course, I've seen the odd pedestrian think about chancing it at Cheltenham.

Again though, it all comes down to the way the crossings are used


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: JayMac on January 05, 2013, 22:19:56
Surprised that some sort of obstruction detection device has not been fitted to level crossings, automatically reverting the signals protecting the crossing to danger if something is detected to be obstructing the crossing.

Not all crossings are protected by signals. Automatic Half Barrier Crossings are not normally interlocked with signals. This would require some major re-signalling and possibly increased barrier 'down' time at AHB crossings as the signalling block relevant to the crossing would have to be sufficiently far from the crossing to allow for train braking distances.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on January 06, 2013, 08:51:35

As a thought why is it not possible to have cameras which are activated when the orange lights start to flash and deactivate when the barriers are fully raised again? I guess cost is one of the factors.



I think also that the timescales involved in such incidents which can be measured in terms of a few seconds, would mean little improvement would be possible.

I agree with your reply but was thinking of the deterrant aspect. Certainly on the road near our hours there are a couple of gatsos which "encourage" drivers to stick to the speed limit. Of course, once the cameras are distant objects in the rear view mirror then the right foot kicks back in.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on January 06, 2013, 10:03:00
Doubt you can excedd 30 mph weaving round half barriers so not sure what GATSOs would do


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on January 06, 2013, 15:54:30
GATSOs are not used just as speed cameras. They are used at traffic lights and are linked to the lights so that a vehicle passing a red light will be caught. Just what is needed at these level crossings.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: swrural on January 06, 2013, 22:23:21
As a general rule, surely the only really effective safety systems are those that give no opportunity for humans to ignore them.  If GATSOs, for instance, actually worked as fail-safe, nobody would be caught or would need to be 'caught.  That is just an advisory system.  The 'perp' is given a warning when, a few days later, he receives his notification of the impending fine.  Thus the warning is 'see what this will cost you in future?'  I do not see how half-barrier crossings can be made fail-safe.  If there was some system that turned the car engine off and applied the brakes of a vehicle passing the red light, now we would perhaps be in business.  How does one ensure an articulated HGV driver, perhaps of limited English reading ability, will know he is supposed to stop and ring for permission at these crossings, for instance, when we see low bridge strikes almost every week?   


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Phil on January 15, 2013, 11:52:47
Maybe it's time to bring this gentleman back...


(http://www.terrascope.co.uk/images/capncautionsm.jpg)


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: bobm on November 12, 2013, 18:01:34
Reports of a Cross Country service colliding with a car on Sandy Lane Level Crossing between Oxford and Banbury.

Car driver reported to have survived.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: BerkshireBugsy on November 12, 2013, 20:05:34
Just found this http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-11-12/car-hit-by-train-level-crossing-yarnton-oxfordshire/ (http://www.itv.com/news/story/2013-11-12/car-hit-by-train-level-crossing-yarnton-oxfordshire/) on the ITV web site but doesn't have much more detail


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 12, 2013, 20:07:03
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-24915418?):

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Train hits car at Oxfordshire level crossing

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/71077000/jpg/_71077224_71076587.jpg)
The crash happened at the crossing on Sandy Lane in Yarnton

A car has been hit by a train at a level crossing in Oxfordshire, leaving the driver trapped inside.

The crash took place on the crossing at Sandy Lane in Yarnton, Kidlington, just after 16:30 BST.

One woman on the train was treated for minor injuries and another woman was being cut from the car. Her injuries are not thought to be life-threatening.

The road has been closed and rail services between Oxford and Banbury have been suspended.

The train was a Cross Country service travelling between Bournemouth and Manchester Piccadilly.

In January, 85-year-old Thomas Pizzey, from Banbury, was killed when his car was in a crash with a freight train at the same location.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on November 12, 2013, 20:27:35
Second incident in a year at the same crossing, very sad. I don't suppose if anyone yet knows if it was a boy racer trying to dodge the barriers or elderly couple not realising the danger or someone stalled on the crossing. Doesn't sound like a boy racer from the brief reports

I was just wondering if full width barriers set back further from the actual crossing might help, especially here as there's an S-bend when one approaches from the Yarnton side.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 12, 2013, 20:34:53
From a British Transport Police spokesman:

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"On arrival, emergency services discovered one woman inside the car, a black Volkswagen Golf. She has since been taken to the John Radcliffe Hospital for an assessment, although her injuries are not believed to be life-threatening."

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch and Office of Rail Regulation have been informed of the incident, and it would be inappropriate to speculate too much on the possible causes of this incident at this stage.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 12, 2013, 22:14:44
Second incident in a year at the same crossing, very sad.

Indeed.  The previous one a southbound freight train, this one a northbound XC Voyager.  One of the busier AHB crossings I know of.  Perhaps time for a full-barrier CCTV one at this location?


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on November 13, 2013, 13:59:46
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-24926877
Looks like the driver may have been attempting suicide.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 13, 2013, 15:27:18
Thanks for posting that update, stebbo.

For completeness, I'll quote the full article from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-24926877):

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Woman detained after train hits car at Yarnton level crossing

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The crash happened at the crossing on Sandy Lane in Yarnton

A woman has been detained under the Mental Health Act after the car she was driving was hit by a train at a level crossing in Oxfordshire.

The crash happened on the crossing at Sandy Lane in Yarnton, Kidlington, just after 16:30 GMT on Tuesday.

The woman, who is in her 40s and from Banbury, had driven the VW Golf on to the tracks. She was cut free by the emergency services and taken to hospital, but was not seriously hurt.

A British Transport Police spokesman said: "The train involved, the 2.45pm Bournemouth to Manchester Piccadilly Cross Country service, remained upright and on the tracks. There were no reported injuries to the 100 passengers on board the train."

The woman remains in hospital for an assessment.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) and Office of Rail Regulation (ORR) have been informed, he added.

Officers are investigating the circumstances surrounding the crash and have urged anyone with information to contact British Transport Police.

The road was closed on Tuesday evening and rail services between Oxford and Banbury were suspended.

In January, 85-year-old Thomas Pizzey from Banbury was killed when his car was in a crash with a freight train at the same location.

As this latest information is now in the public domain, I'd like to thank everyone for their restraint in previous posts.  This topic is readable by anyone, and we must always remember that the family and friends of those involved may be seeking further information about their loved one.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery to the woman involved in this case, and thoughts with the train driver and crew also, for what must have been a traumatic incident for all concerned.

Thanks again, Chris.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: ChrisB on November 13, 2013, 15:49:27
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Thanks again, Chris

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Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: LiskeardRich on November 13, 2013, 16:55:03
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Thanks again, Chris

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I suspect its thanks again for not commenting before it was published in the media from Chris.(ChrisfromNailsea)


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 13, 2013, 22:24:25
Yes, that's exactly what I meant.

The administrators on this forum were aware very early on that there were some particular features of this incident which gave cause for concern, and we really didn't want any additional distress to be caused to those involved by what might turn out to be inappropriate speculative posting.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 14, 2013, 23:45:50
From ThisIsOxfordshire (http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/10808291._/?):

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Witnesses recall moment of collision in train crash

A man has described how he had to leave a woman ^to die^ on a rail crossing as a train approached.

Scaffolder Darren Day said he and a workmate came across a Volkswagen Golf that had stopped on the Sandy Lane crossing on Tuesday afternoon before the barriers came down and the alarm sounded.

The 36-year-old, from Kidlington, said he tried to break the window to get the driver out but he had to get off the line. He said: ^As soon as I heard the train coming I thought she is going to die if I don^t help her.^

But he said: ^The train was about 100ft away and I had to leave for my own safety. It was leaving another human being to die in my eyes.^

Mr Day said he could only watch as the train smashed into the car, forcing it to roll about four times and end up upside down.

Cowley man Mark Tierney, 29, who arrived on the scene shortly after, said he was surprised the woman survived. He said: ^It was awful. None of us were brave enough to go to the wreckage to see if she was okay. That spot is dangerous sometimes anyway but to see the car the way it was, I am surprised she made it.^

The driver, a woman in her 40s from Banbury, was yesterday being held under the Mental Health Act as police investigated the cause of the crash.

British Transport Police (BTP) officers were waiting to speak to her about the incident.

The woman had to be cut from her car after the Bournemouth to Manchester train hit it at about 4.40pm, and she was taken to Oxford^s John Radcliffe Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.

Network Rail yesterday said early signs showed the crossing, which has a history of malfunctions, was working properly at the time of the crash.

The Rail Accident Investigation Branch (RAIB) is verifying this is correct.

Network Rail spokeswoman Dayle Sellars said: ^Network Rail is cooperating fully with RAIB in the investigation. Early indications are that the crossing was working correctly at the time of the incident.^

The Oxford Mail reported earlier this year that the crossing malfunctioned 21 times in 2012.

Kidlington resident Shirley Jarvis, 69, said she saw a van almost get trapped on the line earlier this month. She said a train passed and the barriers went up only to come down a few seconds later and another train pass through. She said: ^He was halfway over before the lights started flashing and the barrier came down.^

Mrs Jarvis, of High Street, said she would no longer be driving over the crossing after the latest incident. She said: ^Anybody local will be very wary about using it now.^

Trains between Oxford and Banbury were running as expected yesterday. All services had been suspended until 10pm on Tuesday.

In January, 85-year-old Banbury man Thomas Pizzey died when the car he was in was hit by a freight train on the same crossing.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on November 21, 2013, 09:52:18
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25022997

News report on the earlier fatality back last November. Looks like the level crossing worked OK but the car stalled. I guess cameras on the crossing would help but then the barriers have to stay down for a lot longer to allow the signalman to check the crossing then clear the signals. There's a crossing just north of Cheltenham where cameras are used and the traffic queues can be horrendous


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 21, 2013, 17:42:53
As discussion of these two incidents continues, I've now merged both topics into this one, in the interests of continuity.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: 81F on November 24, 2013, 09:14:36
Police have made an arrest in connection with the incident on 12 Nov 2013. A woman has been charged with endangering safety on the railway.
http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/10829951.Woman_charged_following_Sandy_Lane_crossing_accident/?ref=mr


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Oxman on December 06, 2013, 23:56:20
From the Beeb:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25264644

"A woman has appeared in court to admit endangering a train which hit the car she was driving at a level crossing.

Heather Bister, from Banbury, appeared at Oxford Crown Court earlier in connection with the crash in Yarnton, Oxfordshire on 12 November.

The 43-year-old, from Austin Drive, admitted endangering safety on the railways without intent at the Sandy Lane crossing.

Her case was adjourned until 31 January for reports to be prepared."


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 01, 2014, 17:47:48
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10980326._/?):

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Suicide woman kept in custody

A woman who caused a train crash when she parked on a level crossing in a suicide bid has been remanded in custody at her own request.

Heather Bister, 46, of Austin Drive, Banbury, was arrested after she stopped her car on the Sandy Lane level crossing in Yarnton on November 12 last year. A Cross Country service hit Bister^s car but she escaped with minor injuries and no one else was hurt.

She has admitted endangering safety on the railways and appeared at Oxford Crown Court yesterday to be sentenced.

Prosecutor Cathy Olliver explained the defendant has been arrested twice since the incident for trying to go to Oxford Railway Station and throw herself in front of a train.

Lucy Tapper, defending, said her client was very sorry about what she had done, but felt that she could not stop herself trying to commit suicide.

Judge Mary Jane Mowat told Bister she was clearly ^very ill^ and that she would need to see a psychiatrists^ report before passing sentence.

At a hearing held a short time later, Miss Tapper said her client wanted to be remanded in custody because she feared she would again try to end her life. This was granted and Bister will now be sentenced on March 14.


Title: Re: Level crossing collisions at Sandy Lane, Yarnton - merged topic
Post by: stebbo on April 25, 2014, 18:05:32
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-27158369

On the BBC Oxfordshire website today


Title: Train hit by car Sandy Lane 18/5/2023
Post by: ray951 on May 18, 2023, 09:25:31
Services are currently suspended between Oxford and Banbury due to a car hitting a train at Sandy Lane level crossing.
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23530328.car-hit-train-level-crossing-kidlington-near-oxford/ (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/23530328.car-hit-train-level-crossing-kidlington-near-oxford/)


Title: Re: Train hit by car Sandy Lane 18/5/2023
Post by: bobm on May 18, 2023, 09:42:11
Car driver reported unhurt.

GWR running a train shuttle between Banbury and Tackley with minibuses from there to Oxford.


Title: Re: Train hit by car Sandy Lane 18/5/2023
Post by: PhilWakely on May 18, 2023, 10:08:08
Without wishing to diminish the seriousness of this incident, I am assuming that it should read 'car hit by train' rather than 'train hit by car'.


Title: Re: Train hit by car Sandy Lane 18/5/2023
Post by: ray951 on May 18, 2023, 10:46:26
That is a very good question and something I did think about.
I have made the assumption (and I should not have done that) that the car should not be on the crossing therefore it is the car's fault and worded the subject to reflect that.

I always think that Car hit by Train makes it sound like the train is at fault when most crossing incidents are the fault of the car driver.

But you are right we do need to be careful with our words and not make assumptions.



Title: Re: Train hit by car Sandy Lane 18/5/2023
Post by: bobm on May 18, 2023, 12:11:37
The route reopened around midday.


Title: Re: Train hit by car Sandy Lane 18/5/2023
Post by: ChrisB on May 18, 2023, 12:42:14
GWR still reporting delays until 1315

The train invloved was the 0739 OXF-MAN service which was stationary at the crossing for just over 3 hours before being released towards Banbury with all passengers kept well infofmed & looked after by the crew


Title: Re: Train hit by car Sandy Lane 18/5/2023
Post by: bobm on May 18, 2023, 13:14:25
There has now been a report of a person struck by a train at an adjacent crossing so the line is closed again.


Title: Re: Train hit by car Sandy Lane 18/5/2023
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 18, 2023, 16:07:00
These AHB crossings are in the process of being closed as part of the latest Oxford Corridor works, so if anything good comes from them it reinforces the NR viewpoint that they should be closed, and objectors might find it harder to justify their position as a result.


Title: Re: Man killed by train at crossing at Yarnton Lane (13 January 2010)
Post by: ChrisB on September 12, 2024, 09:08:17
Closure now abandoned as freight paths haven't increased as planned.


Title: Re: Man killed by train at crossing at Yarnton Lane (13 January 2010)
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 12, 2024, 12:08:33
Closure now abandoned as freight paths haven't increased as planned.

That's very disappointing, assuming the current signalling restrictions will continue to apply?  Headways are currently poor as a result of that one small section of signalling, and I know a train that is delayed by a few minutes practically every day as a result.

Freight is only going to grow further, and of course CrossCountry are planning to uplift their service along the route back to the previous 2tph next May.


Title: Re: Man killed by train at crossing at Yarnton Lane (13 January 2010)
Post by: ChrisB on September 13, 2024, 08:18:44
Got caught up in the rail spending review basically.


Title: Re: Man killed by train at crossing at Yarnton Lane (13 January 2010)
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on September 13, 2024, 12:12:26
I have slightly lost track of what's going on but I think they'll end up closed regardless, albeit in the medium term rather than the short term. There's a massive new housing development proposed for Begbroke and the developers (Oxford University) have said they'll fund a pedestrian/cycle bridge at Yarnton Lane even though NR have pulled out. Green Lane is not much more than a foot/accommodation crossing anyway. It probably pushes it back into the next decade though.


Title: Re: Man killed by train at crossing at Yarnton Lane (13 January 2010)
Post by: Western Pathfinder on September 13, 2024, 13:45:35
We can but hope that nothing happens by way of incident until then.



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