Title: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on January 09, 2010, 00:10:54 Isn't the asterix marked on the ticket next to the station where the ticket was purchased?
Title: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 09, 2010, 00:19:49 No: I have tickets with an asterisk next to Bath Spa and Melksham - both of which were purchased at Nailsea & Backwell! ;)
I think the asterisk is just to prevent the addition of other (fraudulent) characters on the ticket? ;D Title: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: TerminalJunkie on January 09, 2010, 00:31:35 Isn't the asterix marked on the ticket next to the station where the ticket was purchased? No, it's a security thing to stop you changing a station name (eg Aber to Aberdeen). Anyway, thanks to Videolan I've managed to get a better picture than bignosemac: (http://ndrailusers.wikispaces.com/file/view/Screenshot.png/112464199/Screenshot.png) The station is part of the long string of numbers on the right - 2034 is the machine number, 3410 is the station you bought it at (in this case Exeter St Davids) and the final 34 refers to the individual ticket window/retail point. Title: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: inspector_blakey on January 09, 2010, 02:00:55 There seems to have been a software modification recently to STAR. The 10-digit number on the right would formerly have been displayed 2034
As TJ says, 2034 is the machine number. The " The four-digit National Location Code (NLC) of the issuing station is next - the ticket office and TVMs at any given location seem to have different codes, e.g. 3115 for Oxford ticket office but 6254 for Oxford TVMs. The NLC is followed by a letter indicating the former BR region that controlled the issuing station (E for Eastern, H for Scottish, M for London Midland, S for Southern, W for Western). Last came the window number (with apologies to TJ for the repetition!) Some systems (e.g. Avantix) have never printed the regional indicator - it doesn't appear on tickets mailed out by thetrainline either; in both these cases it's just replaced by a dash. There are still machines that issue tickets with the "old style" numbering (including the plimsoll and regional indicator) - one of the fast ticket machines near the old Thames Valley ticket office at Paddington where I collected tickets a couple of weeks ago for example. Although bizarrely on that one the region code was printed as "S". I will now put my anorak away for the moment... Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: grahame on January 09, 2010, 09:51:29 Isn't the asterix marked on the ticket next to the station where the ticket was purchased? No, it's a security thing to stop you changing a station name (eg Aber to Aberdeen). It's surprising how many options there would be to do that, too! In Aber you have Abercynon, Aberdare, Aberdeen, Aberdour, Aberdovey, Abererch, Abergavenny, Abergele & Pensarn, Aberystwyth In Ascot you have Ascott-under-Wychwood In Ash you have Ash Vale, Ashburys, Ashchurch for Tewkesbury, Ashfield, Ashford (Surrey), Ashford International, Ashford International (Eurostar), Ashley, Ashtead, Ashton-under-Lyne, Ashurst, Ashurst New Forest, Ashwell & Morden In Ashford International you have Ashford International (Eurostar) In Ashurst you have Ashurst New Forest In Barnes you have Barnes Bridge In Barry you have Barry Docks, Barry Island, Barry Links In Battle you have Battlesbridge In Bedford you have Bedford St Johns In Bentley you have Bentley (South Yorks) In Berwick you have Berwick-upon-Tweed In Bexley you have Bexleyheath In Bloxwich you have Bloxwich North In Bolton you have Bolton-on-Dearne In Bootle you have Bootle New Strand, Bootle Oriel Road In Braintree you have Braintree Freeport In Bramley you have Bramley (Hants) In Bromborough you have Bromborough Rake In Brondesbury you have Brondesbury Park In Brough you have Broughty Ferry In Brundall you have Brundall Gardens In Burnham you have Burnham-on-Crouch In Cambridge you have Cambridge Heath In Carshalton you have Carshalton Beeches In Castleton you have Castleton Moor In Catford you have Catford Bridge In Charing you have Charing Cross (Glasgow) In Chester you have Chester Road, Chester-le-Street, Chesterfield In Chorley you have Chorleywood In Clifton you have Clifton Down In Colchester you have Colchester Town In Cowden you have Cowdenbeath In Cressing you have Cressington In Dalston you have Dalston Kingsland In Dawlish you have Dawlish Warren In Dean you have Dean Lane, Deansgate In Denham you have Denham Golf Club In Dent you have Denton In Derby you have Derby Road In Dorking you have Dorking Deepdene, Dorking West In Eccles you have Eccles Road, Eccleston Park In Edenbridge you have Edenbridge Town In Epsom you have Epsom Downs In Hale you have Halesworth, Halewood In Hampton you have Hampton Court, Hampton Wick, Hampton-in-Arden In Harringay you have Harringay Green Lanes In Hatfield you have Hatfield & Stainforth, Hatfield Peverel In Hawarden you have Hawarden Bridge In Higham you have Highams Park In Hove you have Hoveton & Wroxham In Ince you have Ince & Elton In Johnston you have Johnstone In Kentish Town you have Kentish Town West In Kirkby you have Kirkby Stephen, Kirkby in Ashfield, Kirkby-in-Furness In Lake you have Lakenheath In Langley you have Langley Green, Langley Mill In Lee you have Leeds In Lelant you have Lelant Saltings In Llandudno you have Llandudno Junction In London Waterloo you have London Waterloo East In Lostock you have Lostock Gralam, Lostock Hall In Loughborough you have Loughborough Junction In Luton you have Luton Airport Parkway In Maesteg you have Maesteg (Ewenny Road) In Mansfield you have Mansfield Woodhouse In Matlock you have Matlock Bath In Melton you have Melton Mowbray In Meols you have Meols Cop In Mossley you have Mossley Hill In New Cross you have New Cross Gate In Newbury you have Newbury Racecourse In Orrell you have Orrell Park In Par you have Parbold, Park Street, Parkstone (Dorset), Parson Street, Partick, Parton In Pembroke you have Pembroke Dock In Porth you have Porthmadog In Preston you have Preston Park, Prestonpans In Purley you have Purley Oaks In Reading you have Reading West In Roche you have Rochester In Runcorn you have Runcorn East In Rye you have Rye House In St Albans you have St Albans Abbey In Stamford you have Stamford Hill In Stone you have Stone Crossing, Stonebridge Park, Stonegate, Stonehaven, Stonehouse, Stoneleigh In Streatham you have Streatham Common, Streatham Hill In Sudbury you have Sudbury & Harrow Road, Sudbury Hill Harrow In Sway you have Swaythling In Sydenham you have Sydenham Hill In Trefforest you have Trefforest Estate In Ware you have Wareham In Warwick you have Warwick Parkway In Welling you have Wellingborough, Wellington (Shropshire) In Wem you have Wembley Central, Wembley Stadium, Wemyss Bay In West Ham you have West Hampstead, West Hampstead Thameslink In West Hampstead you have West Hampstead Thameslink In Whyteleafe you have Whyteleafe South In Wick you have Wickford, Wickham Market In Wimbledon you have Wimbledon Chase In Winnersh you have Winnersh Triangle In Woking you have Wokingham In Wool you have Woolston, Woolwich Arsenal, Woolwich Dockyard Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: brompton rail on January 09, 2010, 10:22:54 Wow! Grahame, who can argue with that excellent list. Is the snow that deep that you can't get out? (I jest!)
Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: grahame on January 09, 2010, 13:26:21 Wow! Grahame, who can argue with that excellent list. Is the snow that deep that you can't get out? (I jest!) I particularly liked the idea of amending a ticket from Barry Docks to Barry into a ticket from Barry Docks to Barry Links ... although of course the only reason I can post this (<i>also in jest</i>) is that we're not publicising an open loophole, but one that has been firmly closed for years. My list came for a Perl program that took 5 minutes to modify from the one that I wrote over Christmas and let TJ find a humbug in Mussleburgh! Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: grahame on January 09, 2010, 18:10:13 ... The four-digit National Location Code (NLC) of the issuing station is next - the ticket office and TVMs at any given location seem to have different codes, e.g. 3115 for Oxford ticket office.... You inspired me to look these up ... and it turns out there are even more code. I've started a separate thread at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=6078.0 Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: RichieG on January 17, 2010, 22:37:36 One thing that has always confused me on rail tickets is the fact that there is an 'ADULT' and 'CHILD' section, but these can only (or seem to be only) ONE or NIL. Wouldn't it make more sense to have it say - printed - 'CHILD' or ADULT' instead? They could also put some of the railcard things there too.
Like I say, that's always confused me, right from when I was a littleun and was going round on the rails with my mum - why we had tickets each when they could have 'ONE' under both columns and save paper... Did they - or do they - ever have the ability to put more than one person on one ticket? (Incidentally, the ticket shown above is probably more pointless than my EXD to EXC return ticket that I bought a while ago for platform access at EXD to take photos, then decided that as I bought the ticket I might as well use it so hopped on a Pacer to EXC (where my ticket was checked even before the train left the station!) and was on a SWT back down the hill afterwards... pointless, but amusing :)) Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: Brucey on January 18, 2010, 07:34:07 One thing that has always confused me on rail tickets is the fact that there is an 'ADULT' and 'CHILD' section, but these can only (or seem to be only) ONE or NIL. Wouldn't it make more sense to have it say - printed - 'CHILD' or ADULT' instead? They could also put some of the railcard things there too. I believe that APTIS had the ability is issue tickets for more than one person. The number would be in words up to ten, then it would be numerical after ten 12**, 14** etc. I'm not sure if modern systems have this ability as I'm always given millions of bits of paper everytime I buy a ticket for a group.Like I say, that's always confused me, right from when I was a littleun and was going round on the rails with my mum - why we had tickets each when they could have 'ONE' under both columns and save paper... Did they - or do they - ever have the ability to put more than one person on one ticket? Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: Tim on January 18, 2010, 09:18:58 One thing that has always confused me on rail tickets is the fact that there is an 'ADULT' and 'CHILD' section, but these can only (or seem to be only) ONE or NIL. Wouldn't it make more sense to have it say - printed - 'CHILD' or ADULT' instead? They could also put some of the railcard things there too. Like I say, that's always confused me, right from when I was a littleun and was going round on the rails with my mum - why we had tickets each when they could have 'ONE' under both columns and save paper... Did they - or do they - ever have the ability to put more than one person on one ticket? (Incidentally, the ticket shown above is probably more pointless than my EXD to EXC return ticket that I bought a while ago for platform access at EXD to take photos, then decided that as I bought the ticket I might as well use it so hopped on a Pacer to EXC (where my ticket was checked even before the train left the station!) and was on a SWT back down the hill afterwards... pointless, but amusing :)) My wife and I brought a ticket on board a Scotrail train from Newtonmore to Hyndland. After checking we were travelling together, the Guard handed me a single piece of card with "two" under "adult". I don't know if this was the Guard's usual habbit or if he was runnign short of ticket stock. I also seem to recall a six-form trip I took with 40 other kids from my school. IIRC, we were all travelling on 4 or 5 tickets held by the teachers. It can be a useful option but presumably one of the reasons it isn't used very much is that it is not very compatible with automatic ticket gates (although one would like to think that gates will not retain such tickets so at least the second passenegr can pass through the manual gate?). Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: devon_metro on January 18, 2010, 14:17:55 One thing that has always confused me on rail tickets is the fact that there is an 'ADULT' and 'CHILD' section, but these can only (or seem to be only) ONE or NIL. Wouldn't it make more sense to have it say - printed - 'CHILD' or ADULT' instead? They could also put some of the railcard things there too. There are differences dependant on where you buy your tickets from, ie. Ticket office or ticket machine. Tickets from the ticket machine display both the Adult and Child sections, however from more modern ticket issuing facilities eg at EXD, it will display Adult One . Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: JayMac on January 18, 2010, 14:29:15 You're right d_m. Spot the difference: (ignore the Y-P, conductor pressed wrong button on Avantix!)
(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/lastscan.jpg) Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: grahame on February 06, 2010, 22:13:07 ... I don't know if this was the Guard's usual habbit or if he was runnign short of ticket stock .... [snip] It can be a useful option but presumably one of the reasons it isn't used very much is that it is not very compatible with automatic ticket gates (although one would like to think that gates will not retain such tickets so at least the second passenegr can pass through the manual gate?). (http://www.wellho.net/pix/threeonone.jpg) Our ticket from today. Guard just smiled when I asked if he was short on ticket stock / reminded me that we had to all travel together (we would have to anyway - only one practical return train :-[ ) and because we had a dog with us we went through the manual gate at Oxford so I can't answer onteh barrier question. But I've added the picture / post to show that multiple passenger tickets ARE around and issues, currently, in these parts too. Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 06, 2010, 22:34:21 On Group Save tickets at least, this appears to be common practice:
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/4453/picture153i.jpg) (http://img684.imageshack.us/i/picture153i.jpg/) ;) Title: Re: What all the numbers on your ticket actually mean... Post by: Brucey on February 07, 2010, 08:40:09 On Group Save tickets at least, this appears to be common practice It may be default on Avantix Mobile to do this to save ticket stock, but Star (as used by FGW ticket offices) certainly churns out one ticket per person, even on a GPS-4 ticket. They even gave us one reservation coupon per seat, per leg of travel (so 8 reservations + 8 tickets).Something I've noticed recently, which is gradually appearing on all ticket issues, is the lack of the theta symbol, region identifier and the new reverse shading on the start date on tickets bought in advance. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |