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Title: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: Lee on September 04, 2007, 16:06:23
First Great Western starts work next month on a major refurbishment of Oxford station (link below.)
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/NewsItem.aspx?id=537


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on January 12, 2008, 17:50:07
FGW is holding a Meet the Managers session at Oxford station on Tuesday, January 22, from 4pm to 8pm. Might be an interesting four hours if the RMT strike goes ahead the two previous days. Won't be able to make it myself, as I'm not working that day.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on January 14, 2008, 11:54:04
FGW is holding a Meet the Managers session at Oxford station on Tuesday, January 22, from 4pm to 8pm. Might be an interesting four hours if the RMT strike goes ahead the two previous days. Won't be able to make it myself, as I'm not working that day.

More on this and other Meet the Managers sessions in the link below.
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=237


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on January 23, 2008, 18:01:50
Report from the Oxford meeting (link below.)
http://oxfordmail.net/display.var.1989041.0.rail_passengers_not_impressed.php


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Timmer on January 23, 2008, 18:06:58
Report from the Oxford meeting (link below.)
http://oxfordmail.net/display.var.1989041.0.rail_passengers_not_impressed.php
Mulled wine and a slice of cake...very nice  :)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on January 23, 2008, 18:08:05
Report from the Oxford meeting (link below.)
http://oxfordmail.net/display.var.1989041.0.rail_passengers_not_impressed.php
Mulled wine and a slice of cake...very nice  :)
A bit out of season for mulled wine. lol  :D


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Timmer on January 23, 2008, 18:11:22
bit out of season for mulled wine. lol  :D
Like FGW's trains it was running late  ;)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: vacman on January 23, 2008, 21:28:28
bit out of season for mulled wine. lol  :D
Like FGW's trains it was running late  ;)
:D


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on February 23, 2008, 07:57:13
Oxford could soon have its own low-cost, 24-hour rent-a-bike scheme in an effort to cut traffic congestion, as seen in several European cities (link below.)
http://www.oxfordmail.net/display.var.2067765.0.oxford_may_get_rentabike_scheme.php

Oxfordshire County Council has pledged ^100,000 to pay for a feasibility study.

The scheme could see a network of bike stations set up at key points in the city, including the train station, Westgate Centre, park-and-ride sites and city hospitals.

Although plans are currently at an early stage, council chiefs hope a credit card-payable rent-a-bike scheme would take a significant number of cars off the city's roads. They say they want to make any scheme cheap and convenient.

A rent-a-bike scheme started in Paris last July recorded more than seven million bike trips by the end of the year.

It is believed the county council wants to replicate the French capital's blueprint of providing robust bikes, which weigh about 20kg, to make them unattractive to thieves and sturdy enough to withstand damage from vandals.
 
The council's feasibility study starts in April and, if the scheme is viable, it could be introduced in the city before summer 2009.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on February 23, 2008, 08:00:43
Newly refurbished men's toilets at Oxford railway station have been vandalised link below.)
http://www.oxfordmail.net/news/headlines/display.var.2067609.0.rail_station_toilets_vandalised.php

Pc Bob Burrowes said: "They smashed up the taps and sink, kicked in the doors and the soap dispenser."



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on April 17, 2008, 22:01:38
Update on the progress of Oxfordshire County Council's ^80m Access to Oxford scheme, which was given the green light by the Government last year, and includes plans to expand Oxford railway station, with a new bay platform built on part of the station car park on the southern side of Botley Road. Network Rail hopes to carry out this work in 2010-11 (link below.)
http://www.oxfordmail.net/display.var.2206361.0.park_to_ride_fees_will_go.php


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on April 21, 2008, 22:44:51
West Oxford residents have criticised Network Rail after it emerged the company will wait until next year to replace a popular footbridge into Oxford (link below.)
http://www.oxfordmail.net/news/headlines/display.var.2213844.0.bridge_delays_annoy_residents.php

The rail firm closed a well-used 60-metre bridge in Osney Lane in August, telling residents that refurbishment work would be completed within a couple of months.

However, Network Rail has now posted a new sign at the closed-off site, saying the bridge, over the tracks south of Oxford station, will have to be replaced and will not be reopened until late February next year.

The news has upset dozens of residents.

Becky Bryan, 28, bar manager of the Kite pub, in Mill Street, said:

Quote from: Becky Bryan
"Everyone's really annoyed about this. There's lots of rumours flying around and fears it won't open again.

"We just want the footbridge back."

Kristian Alexander, community relations manager at Network Rail, said:

Quote from: Kristian Alexander
"We acknowledge that for many this will be disappointing news. We're sorry for the inconvenience caused by this and hope our apologies will be accepted.

"High demand in the current steel market and the availability for manufacturing from steel fabricators means this will take longer than we would have liked."


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: intrigued on April 22, 2008, 19:15:24
I've been wondering what the next step to the Oxford rail station re-furb was going to be... looks like M&S web guys are ahead of themselves.  Presuming that the store is going to slot in where the smoothie store and AMT used to be located.

http://www.marksandspencer.com/gp/store-locator/store-locator.html/202-0559640-0756638?ie=UTF8&viewID=details&postcode=&storeID=0120&prevView=listing&client=mands_01&f_id=709&lon=-1.255880&lat=51.752250&db=GB



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Lee on April 22, 2008, 19:19:31
Welcome to the forum, intrigued.


Title: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on October 07, 2008, 11:07:44
OH well, the much lauded new temporary information screens at Oxford have indeed become temporary. The old and unreliable system is still soldiering on but 2 of the 3 new LCD screens on the main concourse have been switched off for days and the solitary screen on platform 2 has had the same incomplete and out of date information showing for 2 days now.

Long live the old system, we are going to need it!


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: inspector_blakey on December 07, 2008, 21:39:13
There were posters up at the station a few weeks ago (they may still be there, didn't check when I came though tonight) saying that a new CIS (I know it's childish but I always preferred the abbreviation PIS  :D) was going to be installed shortly. I don't know what type of system is envisaged but it would be good if it was similar to the system that the "old" FGW fitted to the intercity stations at Reading, Swindon, Bristol TM etc which is both easy to read and seems to behave itself reasonably well mush of the time.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: G.Uard on December 08, 2008, 06:06:13
Anyone recall the old Italian made Telesign flap indicators?  They used to make such a comforting clatter as information was changed/updated.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Steve44 on December 08, 2008, 08:01:55
The last time i was at Charing Cross they had those, this was 2 years ago, is that still the case??


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: inspector_blakey on December 08, 2008, 10:30:26
I doubt it - Network Rail has been making a concerted effort to replace the old Solari boards with LED screens. They might not be so much fun but much more flexible and more reliable. I remember changing trains at New Street some years ago when the main Solari board (as it was then) had failed and the place was in choas.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: John R on December 08, 2008, 12:20:36
Though part of the atmosphere of the concourse at Waterloo was watching and listening as the Solari boards updated, particularly when it meant every service moved one column to the left, so there was a wave of clicking as one by one the updating happened.   


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Timmer on December 08, 2008, 21:36:14
I can just remember the old Solari boards at Paddington that went long before the ones at Waterloo.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: willc on December 15, 2008, 22:26:03
In a "message from the chief operating officer" written for the CLPG's Cotswold & Malvern Line News before his departure, Andrew Haines says that Oxford and Slough will be the first installations of the new information screens, which will be driven by the system in use at Reading and Swindon. Installation should be early in the new year. And Hanborough has just been given a new super help-point which incorporates a screen, though I have yet to see it switched on.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on December 16, 2008, 19:24:23
Today, the screens at Oxford showed trains to/from Stratford Upon Avon! ;D

Just a little confused about the new timetable I think...


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Don on December 19, 2008, 00:36:35
And Hanborough has just been given a new super help-point which incorporates a screen, though I have yet to see it switched on.

Hanbourough was switched on, on Tuesday, had problems with the connection and had a booster fitted on Wednesday afternoon.  It should be working now. - Chatted to engineer who fixed it


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on December 19, 2008, 17:56:27
Good to know.

Can anyone explain why Stratford was showing up on the Oxford CIS?


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Don on December 19, 2008, 21:56:00
And Hanborough has just been given a new super help-point which incorporates a screen, though I have yet to see it switched on.
Two Photos....


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 20, 2008, 00:32:27
Can anyone explain why Stratford was showing up on the Oxford CIS?

Sometimes the late evening trains from the previous evening 'hang' on the system the following day. Was it an arrival from Stratford that was showing? That is due in just after midnight.

I've learnt to expect anything being displayed on those screens over the years though!


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on December 20, 2008, 00:33:39
Yes it was on the arrival board.

That makes sense, as I believe a Chiltern service runs in late at night to Oxford.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 20, 2008, 00:37:00
The CIS/Help phone combo thing at Hanborough looks fairly impressive I have to say. An ideal way of providing information at smaller stations which have a train or two an hour.

I just hope it will be reliable and not damaged by vandals.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: gwr2006 on December 20, 2008, 20:14:00
The CIS/Help phone combo thing at Hanborough looks fairly impressive I have to say.

Another different version of the CIS/Help Point is shortly to appear at Radley as part of the FGW trials of this new internet based technology.

In total I think there will be 6 different types of equipment at 6 staitons across the franchise. The trial will last for 6 months and hopefully a decision will then be made about which type to install at the smaller stations.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on February 03, 2009, 09:35:16
Well, The Hanborough information point screen looks very much like the small information screens at Charlbury that come with a FGW official notice that they dont always show the correct information (and frequently lose trains).

But back to the original subject, the last two days the old Oxford concourse display has had its favourite error message "Thames trains apologise this display not in use", how that message is still in the software after 4? years of the FGW franchise I dont know. All the old platform screens switched off or covered in out of order notices. The new CIS flatscreens were working on the concouse, but these dont exist on P1 or P3 yet and the one on P2 was static showing a picture rather than cycling through messages and train information.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: G.Uard on February 03, 2009, 10:29:50
Our West units also have Wessex announcements stored on the internal 'Digital Doris'.  At seat trolley refreshment service on a 150! LMAO!!


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Timmer on February 03, 2009, 17:34:19
Our West units also have Wessex announcements stored on the internal 'Digital Doris'.  At seat trolley refreshment service on a 150! LMAO!!
Ah the days of a trolley service on the Bristol to Weymouth line. Operated by the people who run or ran the shop in Weymouth station ticket office I believe?


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: G.Uard on February 04, 2009, 04:37:45
Our West units also have Wessex announcements stored on the internal 'Digital Doris'.  At seat trolley refreshment service on a 150! LMAO!!
Ah the days of a trolley service on the Bristol to Weymouth line. Operated by the people who run or ran the shop in Weymouth station ticket office I believe?

I didn't know it was that much of a 'corner shop' operation, but passengers still refer to it. 

OK, in fairness, it was a generic announcement and there are other electronic gems as well.  Like the full ticket check announcement, which some playful colleagues will activate at Lawrence Hill on BRI bound services when a 'new' guard is on the train.  I hear that the resulting look of absolute panic is much appreciate by old hands.  Ah! the cut and thrust of railway humour!  >:(


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on February 04, 2009, 11:49:52
Still not working this morning, however the message now reads "Great Western apologise this screen is not working". Perhaps someone at FGW reads this!


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 04, 2009, 15:31:22
Still not working this morning, however the message now reads "Great Western apologise this screen is not working". Perhaps someone at FGW reads this!

It's also been known to display that 'Connex apologises that this screen is not in use' - poor old Connex, I mean, they made a right balls-up of their franchise, but I don't think they can be to blame for delays at Oxford!

On a more positive note, installation of the new system has now started with support brackets being installed at the north end of platform 1.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: inspector_blakey on February 04, 2009, 23:11:02
On a more positive note, installation of the new system has now started with support brackets being installed at the north end of platform 1.

Good to hear that. I was wondering when they new system would actually see the light of day: there have been posters up about its introduction for months!


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: willc on February 09, 2009, 20:16:03
Amey technicians crawling all over Oxford station the past few days and supports for the screens standing ready along platforms 1 and 3.

There is a display all about it set up next to the ticket windows. Was most impressed by the mock-up departure board it features - with trains to Moreton at nine and 52 minutes past the hour, every hour! Hope it's true. Don't know what happened to Worcester trains though...


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: willc on February 12, 2009, 00:22:46
And some of the displays on the platforms are in place now - look similar to those fitted at Reading, which the new system is based on.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 12, 2009, 23:25:37
And some of the displays on the platforms are in place now - look similar to those fitted at Reading, which the new system is based on.

Yes I spotted them earlier. Much better that monitor type VDU's as they can be viewed from much further away. There's two separate displays for platform three. Hopefully that will mean that 'front' and 'rear' trains can be displayed separately to avoid confusion.

Oh, and I was pleased to see the display for the north end of platform 2 uses a bracket that was originally installed in the early 90's when BR was going to replace the old system that had been installed in the early 80's. The project had been designed, the brackets put in place all over the station and then BR shelved the project because they had ran out of money! The old system was eventually replaced by Thames Trains in 1997 but the bracket wasn't required. Ever since then it has stood there looking lonely supporting nothing but a telephone.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: inspector_blakey on February 13, 2009, 12:47:28
Nice. It'll be a pleasant change to have a reliable CIS installed at last! Hopefully it will make life much easier for the station staff as well, and avoid them being beseiged by crowds of confused passengers asking where the next train's going.

I wonder whether we'll get Phil Sayer or Celia Drummond as the voice... (see thread on Digital Doris elsewhere!)


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 13, 2009, 13:02:44
I would have thought a simple 'System not yet commissioned' sticker on each of the new screens would be sensible though. Any unknowing visitor to the station would just assume they'd broken down.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on February 13, 2009, 14:28:03
Whilst I agree that the new screens look promising I will hold my vote until I see if the information they give is useful and correct. With a broken down freight train last night the old screen and temporary screen info became rapidly incorrect, wasn't updated and then trains that were stuck in a queue outside Didcot vanished from the screens entirely. For once the Oxford staff managed to give good concise announcements often correctly saying the opposite of the screens information.

The new screens will only be as good as the information source.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 24, 2009, 11:44:51
Progress with Oxford CIS is continuing quickly. The main display in the concourse is now taking shape and yesterday evening the screens on platforms 1 and 3 were working - albeit with stickers on them saying the system is still under test. The LED displays are nearly identical to those on Reading and other FGW stations, but feature a larger digital clock display.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on February 27, 2009, 14:42:24
Oxford CIS screens now mostly live, both old and intermediate systems turned off. Seemed to be giving useful information, with next train displayed plus additional information on 2nd and 3rd trains at the platform.

Will wait and see what happens in a service disruption when services start getting delayed/reordered/cancelled.




Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: inspector_blakey on February 28, 2009, 22:57:55
Seemed to be more or less fully operative today - very impressive and comprehensive and a vast improvement on the previous system. Looks identical to the CIS at Slough. Will have to wait and see if it behaves itself during disruption: I suspect it may, like the old system, have trouble with originating trains that haven't emerged from the carriage sidings yet. Having said that, any information when things are going pear-shaped would be an improvement on the previous installation which seemed to fall over at the first sign of anything out of the ordinary.

I have only two petty criticisms: although the system uses the correct industry standard 0631 time format to refer to advertised and expected departure times of trains, the current time is missing the '0' and displayed as 6:31 (ultra-fussy I know, probably serves me right for being up that early on a Saturday). Secondly there is a very useful screen on the concourse that shows the next fast train to a wide range of destinations: this should be a great help in stopping the uninitiated hopping on a stopper to Paddington rather than waiting for a following fast train that will get them there much quicker. However, the wording at the top of the screen is "Next Fastest Train to...": my immediate reaction was "So what's the fastest then?". Maybe this screen title should be altered to "Next FAST Train to..." like it used to be.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Phil on March 01, 2009, 10:21:36
However, the wording at the top of the screen is "Next Fastest Train to...": my immediate reaction was "So what's the fastest then?". Maybe this screen title should be altered to "Next FAST Train to..." like it used to be.

I agree with you on this. In fact, I'd even leave out the word "Next". The explanation I received when I queried it was that people might confuse "Fast" with "First" and think it was referring to a TOC.

I wasn't sure what to make of that.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: eightf48544 on March 01, 2009, 10:59:39
New platform screens also seemed to be working at Slough on Friday night.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 01, 2009, 23:37:47
However, the wording at the top of the screen is "Next Fastest Train to...": my immediate reaction was "So what's the fastest then?". Maybe this screen title should be altered to "Next FAST Train to..." like it used to be.

I think the word 'Fastest' is used as sometimes late evening or early morning there is no 'fast' i.e. express service, so the fastest way of getting there is on a stopper, which is the fastest way of getting there, but isn't actually fast. Does that make sense? I think I've confused myself!


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 01, 2009, 23:48:45
Yes, that makes sense, the quickest way of getting there might be on a class 2 rather than a class 1! It's the combined wording "next fastest" that got my inner pedant twitching because it makes it sound like there's another one faster. I would have no argument with "Fastest train to...".


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: G.Uard on March 02, 2009, 01:55:56
Years ago, there was a simple indicator in the subway at Reading. Next fast train to Paddington Platform 5  8  9, with an individual  light bulb behind each number.  Simple, effective and cheap.  Worked by the station announcer I believe.   


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 02, 2009, 20:37:24
Ah, yes, in those good old days, when a single light bulb was allowed: now, we have to have whole CIS screens installed - which still don't give that simple, but extremely useful, piece of information!

 ???  ::)


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: John R on March 02, 2009, 20:47:14
Today it would have to be an energy effiicient bulb. By the time it was light enough for people to notice it the train would have gone.   ;D


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on March 02, 2009, 23:19:46
Today it would have to be an energy effiicient bulb. By the time it was light enough for people to notice it the train would have gone.   ;D

Don't get me started on eco bulbs which take half an hour to light fully! :-X


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: willc on March 02, 2009, 23:24:54
But whatever it says and how it says it, the system is only as good as the information it is fed, as others have said. And it wasn't being fed good info tonight.

The 17.21 from London to Hereford was running at least 10 late, so knock-on delays of a similar margin are bound to ensue for anything following or crossing it but the 18.54 to Worcester was shown on the screens as on time, as was the 19.01 to London, which passes the 17.21 near Shipton.

While the 18.54 indication changed to delayed around its booked departure time, the 19.01 was still showing as on time at 19.02 as the 18.54 finally left eight late. We passed the 19.01 just south of Wolvercote junction, so it would have been around 10 late at Oxford, which should have been obvious from the moment it left Ascott-under-Wychwood, so it really should have been updated well before it was due at Oxford.

And the scrolling displays on platform 2 were adamant that the 17.51's Adelante had coach A leading - I suppose there was a 50 per cent chance of being right - it wasn't.

Today it would have to be an energy effiicient bulb. By the time it was light enough for people to notice it the train would have gone.   ;D

Don't get me started on eco bulbs which take half an hour to light fully! :-X

Don't get me started on out-of-date myths perpetuated by the Daily Mail...


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 02, 2009, 23:42:02
... out-of-date myths perpetuated by the Daily Mail ...

 ;D


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on March 04, 2009, 21:45:25
... out-of-date myths perpetuated by the Daily Mail ...

 :P


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on March 05, 2009, 09:26:40
Well, the new departure boards are starting to go wrong already. Last night waiting at 1720 on P3 for the 1731 stopping train to Worcester. Departure board shows the 1731 as the 1st train to depart, with the second the 1754 to Bicester.

At 1725 the train from Bicester arrives (this forms the 1731) and the 1st train to depart changes to the 1754, the 1731 vanishes and is not seen on the departure screens again. Guard makes lots of announcements clarifying the actual destination and departure time and apologises for the incorrect information on the departure boards.

NB this was during normal operations, no obvious disruption to services and was with a train that originated at Oxford so no excuse for not knowing where the train was located.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: thetrout on March 05, 2009, 19:31:31
What about having:

Next High Speed Service To:

Next Express Service To:

Next Direct Service To:

i'll probably think of some more variations later ;D


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on March 05, 2009, 20:40:28
Next Turbo service to

Next cancelled service to

Next service to Melksham (to save some electricity!)


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: thetrout on March 05, 2009, 22:29:56
Next HST Service To

that would work except if a cotswold service was turbotutioned ::)


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 08, 2009, 11:11:45
Well, the new departure boards are starting to go wrong already. Last night waiting at 1720 on P3 for the 1731 stopping train to Worcester. Departure board shows the 1731 as the 1st train to depart, with the second the 1754 to Bicester.

I think we should expect and accept the odd error here and there from a new system that has only been in operation a week. The previous system got off to a far worse start and never recovered (some would say got much worse) over the 12 years it was in use.

FGW should be praised for not scrimping on the number of displays either. Far more than previously provided and at more sensible locations. The large displays mean it is impossible to be stood anywhere on a platform and not be able to see what will be the next three trains at it will be.

I also hope the staff at Oxford don't continually interrupt the automated announcements now either. It sounds very unprofessional, and was being done even when the automated announcements were correct!

Slough's system is also now operational and with a similar mix of LED and LCD screens. Hopefully more will follow as soon as possible, with priority given to Ealing Broadway, Maidenhead, Twyford, Newbury and the Cotswold Line stations.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 08, 2009, 22:49:25
I think we should expect and accept the odd error here and there from a new system that has only been in operation a week. The previous system got off to a far worse start and never recovered (some would say got much worse) over the 12 years it was in use.

FGW should be praised for not scrimping on the number of displays either. Far more than previously provided and at more sensible locations. The large displays mean it is impossible to be stood anywhere on a platform and not be able to see what will be the next three trains at it will be.

I also hope the staff at Oxford don't continually interrupt the automated announcements now either. It sounds very unprofessional, and was being done even when the automated announcements were correct!

Slough's system is also now operational and with a similar mix of LED and LCD screens. Hopefully more will follow as soon as possible, with priority given to Ealing Broadway, Maidenhead, Twyford, Newbury and the Cotswold Line stations.

I wholeheartedly agree with all of that. Make no bones about it, the old system was dire, and had been for as long as I have been using the station (since 1999).

As far as I know all such CISs use information derived from the signalling system, so when thing start going awry they won't necessarily notice until the train passes its next "monitoring point": that's why if a train has conked out in section, for example, it'll just flash "delayed" (because, just like the traincrew in all probability, it doesn't know yet when the train is expected!)

I think with any system at Oxford the originating trains may continue to present a bit of a problem because they're not recognized until the set hits the relevant track circuits on its way out of the carriage sidings.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on March 09, 2009, 11:24:47
Agreed the implementation of the new system looks much better in terms of legibility and number of screens/displays.  But it was my understanding that this was implemented at Oxford by copying from Reading and other stations so why are errors creeping in already. As for not being able to cope with originating trains then that is rather surprising given the number of trains that start at Oxford.

Sorry but I go back to my earlier statement, this system however swish it looks on the platforms will only be as good as the input information, if it is still relying on trains passing signal points and has no knowledge of train locations/speeds when things start going wrong then it is not going to provide useful information to passengers.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 09, 2009, 13:06:25
Agreed the implementation of the new system looks much better in terms of legibility and number of screens/displays.  But it was my understanding that this was implemented at Oxford by copying from Reading and other stations so why are errors creeping in already. As for not being able to cope with originating trains then that is rather surprising given the number of trains that start at Oxford.

It is based on the system at Reading. Errors creep in there on occasions too! The situation you first described is probably solvable with a tweak to the software set-up. Hopefully that will be done. Though Oxford's system will always struggle to be as accurate as Reading's due to the signalling nearby on the Cotswold Line and Bicester line. Until GPS is fitted to all trains and the CIS interfaces with it, then those routes will always be less accurate as they continue to rely on manual input from Signallers or sometimes unrealiable trackside based monitoring equipment. With Reading being surrounded by relatively modern track circuit signalling that helps the system keep on top of things.

Being able to cope with originating trains is a much more difficult nut to crack. As with the previous system, manually entered delayed departure times can be entered by the controlling staff if they know a train starting at Oxford is going to be delayed in the sidings by, for example, a driver being on his/her break. However, if that train is being delayed in the sidings because of a train fault then nobody (including the driver/maintenance staff frantically trying to fix it) will know how long that delay will be. Similarly if there is a signal or point failure leading from the sidings, again nobody is going to know exactly when it will be fixed.



Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on March 09, 2009, 18:42:01
This is a comment about PIS in general:

I wish the software would link terminating trains to new "starts here" trains. So often the PIS says "On time" to a new "starts here" service, but when you look at the arrivals board, it says that the incoming "terminating" train will be late! It can't be difficult to modify the software. Just give every train diagram a code, and feed it into the computer so it can make the links.

Or if this is beyond the software, why can't staff check the arrivals, and change the PIS themselves?


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Phil on March 09, 2009, 20:39:53
why can't staff check the arrivals, and change the PIS themselves?

They are obviously too busy taking the PIS.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on March 09, 2009, 21:02:07
why can't staff check the arrivals, and change the PIS themselves?

They are obviously too busy taking the PIS.
???

Oh....  ;D

But.... ???

:'(


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Not from Brighton on March 09, 2009, 22:03:31
This is a comment about PIS in general:

I wish the software would link terminating trains to new "starts here" trains. So often the PIS says "On time" to a new "starts here" service, but when you look at the arrivals board, it says that the incoming "terminating" train will be late! It can't be difficult to modify the software. Just give every train diagram a code, and feed it into the computer so it can make the links.

Or if this is beyond the software, why can't staff check the arrivals, and change the PIS themselves?

Yes I also would like to know the answer to this question.  I often board trains near to a terminus and am always having to check online the arrivals board of the terminus station to figure out what time my train might arrive (if at all).


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: devon_metro on March 09, 2009, 22:17:54
But that theory would go to pot if a set is stepped up to work another train and would require behind the scenes staff that could be customer facing.

Departure boards run by signals and TRUST so diagrams are not important.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Not from Brighton on March 09, 2009, 22:51:26
I suppose trying to predict knock-on delays such as this is rather fraught with problems.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on March 10, 2009, 19:32:03
But that theory would go to pot if a set is stepped up to work another train and would require behind the scenes staff that could be customer facing.

Departure boards run by signals and TRUST so diagrams are not important.

Rarely happens in my area, but I take your point.

Basically - they need something so that I can look at the Dep screen only!


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: John R on March 10, 2009, 22:41:58
Let's face it, the improvements in passenger information over the last few years have been huge. I can imagine it would be a major job to try and allow for this, and as has been noted, would be prone to error. You'd be the first to complain if your service was predicted to be 20 down, but turned up on time because unbeknown to the system a unit had been stepped up or similar.

You do need to be careful. One morning a very late running HST missed Weston. But the predicted arrival time at Nailsea failed to take into account it using the avoiding line. So it suddenly made up 10 mins once it arrived at Worle. I was expecting that to happen, but many passengers would not have and may have then missed it (which would have been even more galling since it was 30 down).     


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Not from Brighton on March 10, 2009, 23:30:25
Late running LM trains into Worcester Foregate Street freqently make up lots of time at Shrub Hill where they reverse, it's caught me out before just like that!
It would be nice if the CIS as Worcester was also improved.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Btline on March 11, 2009, 18:55:58
Let's face it, the improvements in passenger information over the last few years have been huge. I can imagine it would be a major job to try and allow for this, and as has been noted, would be prone to error. You'd be the first to complain if your service was predicted to be 20 down, but turned up on time because unbeknown to the system a unit had been stepped up or similar.

You do need to be careful. One morning a very late running HST missed Weston. But the predicted arrival time at Nailsea failed to take into account it using the avoiding line. So it suddenly made up 10 mins once it arrived at Worle. I was expecting that to happen, but many passengers would not have and may have then missed it (which would have been even more galling since it was 30 down).    

I think that is why NR live boards are so optimistic. It means there is no chance of you missing a late running train because it has made up even more time.

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It would be nice if the CIS as Worcester was also improved.

Yes, there are several software glitches! At least the staff have a button to shut Digital Doris up! (when she is speaking..... rubbish)


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Oxman on March 11, 2009, 19:32:37
Late arrival of an inbound train does not always mean a late departure for the next working - it depends just how late the inbound is. The practice at Oxford is often to bring a late running terminator from London into platform 1 and turn it round in the platform to form the next up service, so cutting out the time taken going down to the sidings and back. No computer system could predict this - it needs human intervention to keep the CIS updated.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Timmer on March 11, 2009, 21:35:12
Welcome to the forum Oxman


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Not from Brighton on March 11, 2009, 22:59:34
No computer system could predict this - it needs human intervention to keep the CIS updated.

I think it is often forgotten that computers can never replace people, they just make them more efficient.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: willc on March 12, 2009, 23:21:49
Glad to see that the spirit of the old system still lives on somewhere in all the new kit.

Tonight as I was waiting for the train home, Annie - and she is frightfully posh in her new incarnation, think 1940s black and white film received pronunciation - burst into life as a train from Bicester approached platform 3, a dead-end bay for those not familiar with Oxford, announcing that passengers should stand well back from the edge of platform 3 as the approaching train would not be stopping! Happily, the driver seemed to know where to find the brake controller.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Oxman on March 13, 2009, 00:20:56
Still some problems on platform 3 - trains disappearing etc. Probably down to the interaction between signaller and CIS.

Most of the additional screens now running (eg. in the waiting room on platform 2)

Train proximity sensors (which turn up the volume of PA announcements when a train is at the platform) appears to be working.

Hearing induction loops still to be commissioned.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on March 13, 2009, 10:51:32
Glad to see that the spirit of the old system still lives on somewhere in all the new kit.


I am just waiting for the display screens on the concourse to display 'Thames trains apologise this screen is not working' in sympathy for the removal of the old one! :-)


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: inspector_blakey on March 13, 2009, 14:08:23
Glad to see that the spirit of the old system still lives on somewhere in all the new kit.

Tonight as I was waiting for the train home, Annie - and she is frightfully posh in her new incarnation, think 1940s black and white film received pronunciation - burst into life as a train from Bicester approached platform 3, a dead-end bay for those not familiar with Oxford, announcing that passengers should stand well back from the edge of platform 3 as the approaching train would not be stopping! Happily, the driver seemed to know where to find the brake controller.

This happens elsewhere with empty stock running into bay platforms, e.g. platform 2 at Swindon. I'm told it's because the announcing system uses train reporting numbers to track trains. Passenger trains will be either class 1 or class 2 (so would have a reporting number something like 1A23* or 2B34) but empty coaching stock is class 5 (so the headcode would be of the form 5C67). The automated announcer recognizes the reporting numbers of class 1 and 2 trains that are due to call at the station. Any other train (including passenger trains not booked to call, plus *all* freight and ECS workings) is announced as "please stand clear, the approaching train is not scheduled to stop at this station".

*For a fuller explanation of reporting numbers, see for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headcode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headcode). As an aside, if a conductor or train manager cancels you ticket using the "official" Zifa ticket stamper rather than a biro or old-fashined set of nippers, the last four characters of this are the reporting number of the train you were travelling on (or should be). THis enables any refund claims due to delays to be verified after the event. RPIs seem to cancel just using the last four characters set to 0X00 or 0X01 though.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: willc on March 14, 2009, 10:42:39
But this was a passenger working - though sometimes it's hard to tell the difference from empty stock with the Bicester branch trains.


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 16, 2009, 00:15:43
  ::)   ;D


Title: Re: Oxford CIS screens
Post by: IanL on March 16, 2009, 09:53:08
New dot matrix screens on all three platforms not working this morning, just blank with the time showing below. LCD summary screens still working.

Also 'new' lcd departure board on some Cotswold line stations not working since last friday, just showing title bar and a blank screen.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 02, 2009, 18:46:45
From the Oxford Times (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/4410021.Abandoned_cycles_will_be_scrapped/):

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Cyclists who have abandoned bicycles at Oxford train station face having them scrapped by First Great Western.
The rail company has tagged 600 cycles parked in racks outside the station with people given one month to claim them before they are confiscated and sold for scrap or for re-use.
The move has been welcomed by cyclists in the city who say it has become increasingly difficult to park at the station despite an ^80,000 investment in cycle shelters by FGW last year which provided 80 more racks.
FGW has given owners until Wednesday, June 10, to prove a cycle has not been abandoned by removing the label.
So far, 85 cycles have still not been claimed.



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 02, 2009, 23:07:07
Oxford is notorious for bikes filling up racks no matter how many you have. This sort of thing has been done routinely over the years, as quite a few students just leave a ramshackle old thing and forget all about it when they leave University.

Two stories spring to mind, once a contractor was on site early on a Sunday morning removing those bikes that had been deemed abandoned, and despite the police being informed in advance, they still turned up with sirens blazing having had a phone call from someone assuming they were being nicked!

The other story harks back to the days of the station forecourt development (circa 1997), when all of the racks were renewed and abandoned bikes were removed to a storage facility in what was to become the Said Business School. Several bikes remained uncollected after a few months and were disposed of, but some chap came down well over a year later asking where his bike was!


Title: Oxford platform 2 closed two days running
Post by: IanL on June 03, 2009, 11:14:52
Monday and Tuesday this week in the evening peak platform 2 at Oxford has been closed with all services diverted to platform 1.

CIS and automated announcements all over the place with frequent manual announcements to please ignore any automated ones. (in addition to tuesdays clock problem)

Both days track staff in orange overalls wandering up and down the track near platform 2.

Signal failure? No reasons given.


Title: Re: Oxford platform 2 closed two days running
Post by: IanL on July 02, 2009, 19:58:54
Platform 2 closed for 2 hours again this afternoon due to failed circuit. Finally handed back at approx 1635. Duty manager confirmed same fault as earlier in the month as he commented that he was on duty then as well.


Title: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: willc on October 07, 2009, 00:40:36
All the pointwork giving access to the stabling sidings on the western side of the line north of the station, used by terminating services from London, has been renewed. I hope they have fitted super-reliable point motors, because as part of the project, Network Rail are removing the points at the north end of the sidings, so no way out in that direction in future if there's a problem at the southern end.


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: inspector_blakey on October 07, 2009, 03:44:52
At least they're nice and close to the panel box so it's not too far for a signaller to walk with a pair of heavy boots and some point clips  ;)


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 07, 2009, 11:07:47
All the pointwork giving access to the stabling sidings on the western side of the line north of the station, used by terminating services from London, has been renewed. I hope they have fitted super-reliable point motors, because as part of the project, Network Rail are removing the points at the north end of the sidings, so no way out in that direction in future if there's a problem at the southern end.

The layout has been changed too. An additional siding has been added which can take a longer train than the headshunt which used to be used in conjunction with shunting moves. That headshunt now shares a signal with the additional siding and has been shortened quite a lot - as far as I can see it will be used for tampers etc. to access the three sidings still remaining of the old diesel depot. As you say though, gains and losses, although not used for a few years (as far as I know) the ability to shunt out of the north end of the sidings has now gone, so there's only one way out!


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: devon_metro on October 07, 2009, 12:22:49
Hopefully more reliable than Airport Jn!


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: eightf48544 on October 07, 2009, 18:22:52
All the pointwork giving access to the stabling sidings on the western side of the line north of the station, used by terminating services from London, has been renewed. I hope they have fitted super-reliable point motors, because as part of the project, Network Rail are removing the points at the north end of the sidings, so no way out in that direction in future if there's a problem at the southern end.

The layout has been changed too. An additional siding has been added which can take a longer train than the headshunt which used to be used in conjunction with shunting moves. That headshunt now shares a signal with the additional siding and has been shortened quite a lot - as far as I can see it will be used for tampers etc. to access the three sidings still remaining of the old diesel depot. As you say though, gains and losses, although not used for a few years (as far as I know) the ability to shunt out of the north end of the sidings has now gone, so there's only one way out!

Can anyone tell me if some form of cost benefit analysis is done to justify the removal of the North end points. It would seem to me to be a very simple sum . Cost of annual maintenance against cost of delay minutes/cancelled trains if the South end points fail say at 06:00 in the morning.


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: signalandtelegraph on October 07, 2009, 19:44:30

Can anyone tell me if some form of cost benefit analysis is done to justify the removal of the North end points. It would seem to me to be a very simple sum . Cost of annual maintenance against cost of delay minutes/cancelled trains if the South end points fail say at 06:00 in the morning.

I doubt it very much,  there seems to be little joined up thinking on what operational facilities are required by the TOCs and the benefits of having a robust infrastructure to cover such situations as would have happened in BR days. ;) 


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: Oxman on October 07, 2009, 19:47:20
The reason for the work is to provide protection for movements from the siding onto the down goods loop, so that the loop can be converted to passenger use. This should be completed in a few weeks time. The points at the North End have also been removed to allow this, and to allow a siding to be lengthened.

Having the loop available for passenger use will allow down Cotswold trains to be held on the loop waiting for an up train to clear the single line, instead of blocking platform 2, which is what happens now, and keeps the down main free for traffic to Banbury.

The cost is justified by the delay minutes savings.


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: willc on October 07, 2009, 22:31:08
Thanks for explaining the protection issue. I was a bit surprised to see a brand new example of that endangered species, the catch point, fitted in the throat of the connection into the sidings.


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: willc on November 06, 2009, 00:54:08
The down loop is now available for passenger services, as I discovered yesterday evening when the 17.51 to Worcester rolled out of Oxford along it and we were overtaken by a Birmingham-bound Freightliner on the main line - had a bit of a 'hang on, what's that doing there?' moment until I twigged what was going on.


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: Electric train on November 06, 2009, 17:13:30
The down loop is now available for passenger services, as I discovered yesterday evening when the 17.51 to Worcester rolled out of Oxford along it and we were overtaken by a Birmingham-bound Freightliner on the main line - had a bit of a 'hang on, what's that doing there?' moment until I twigged what was going on.
Does what says on the tin ...... then


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 12, 2009, 18:44:45
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/8357027.stm):

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Oxford station to get ^10m revamp

Oxford railway station is to benefit from Network Rail's ^3.25bn investment programme, the company has revealed.

More than 2,000 stations will receive a share of the money between now and 2014, with Oxford earmarked to get at least ^10m.

Some of the improvements will include new passenger information systems, new toilets and waiting rooms, as well as new and longer platforms.

A survey will be carried out to find out what passengers want at stations.

Network Rail operations and customer service director Robin Gisby said: "Stations are the railways' shop-front and they have been ignored for too long. With the punctuality of the railways now running at record levels and our major programme to boost capacity and provide more seats on trains under way, we can now look at other priorities and stations are at the top of the list."


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: inspector_blakey on November 12, 2009, 19:02:10
Erm, unless it was all a dream, Oxford was refurbished with a shiny new information system, new loos and new waiting rooms not many months ago! Not to mention an M&S. So presumably that GBP10m is mostly targeted for new and longer platforms...


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on November 12, 2009, 19:14:43
Drawings in the GW RUS suggest that both platforms will be islands, with four tracks through the middle, so surely a fair proportion will have to be spent relocating the station building?

Is a Banbury like layout (of the buildings, lifts and footbridge) the most probable solution?

Edit: then of course there are the new Chiltern platforms - north of the ticket office maybe?

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on November 13, 2009, 09:19:02
Nothing to do with the RUS diagram - anything like that would have to wait for Oxford area resignalling in the 2014-19 control period. This money is to be spent in the current control period up to 2014.

More likely to be for the bay platforms on part of the car park for London services.

And Chiltern's plans have been in the public domain for monhs, see http://www.chiltern-evergreen3.co.uk/uploads/images/Chiltern%20A4%208pp%20Booklet%20V9%20Website%20v2.pdf (http://www.chiltern-evergreen3.co.uk/uploads/images/Chiltern%20A4%208pp%20Booklet%20V9%20Website%20v2.pdf)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on November 13, 2009, 11:55:27
Yes I know about Evergreen, what I was really thinking of was that if the ticket office wasn't on the back of the main up platform, it would have to be set further back, and the Chiltern platforms would be sort of on their own behind it to the north, with no level access to the main up island, but I didn't really phrase it right.

What is amazing though, is that they are thinking of spending all this money on the current plan, when it is already superseded. What I can't be sure of is whether there is still a south facing bay with the new scheme, because it would seem to create a conflicting crossing move for terminating arrivals.  Surely the better solution would be a turnback siding (or two) between the main through lines north of the station?

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on November 14, 2009, 00:59:58
The current layout has not been superseded - the RUS diagram is no more than an ideal world exercise in wishful thinking at this stage. The south end bay has been talked about for some time, is do-able without affecting the operations of the rest of the station and will have long-term benefits, whatever may happen in some years' time, plus it would be available for use if you decided to start knocking about the rest of the station layout to achieve something like the RUS suggestion - you simply could not operate the normal timetable using one through platform while rebuilding work took place.

The approach to Oxford is already signalled to allow terminating trains - and northbound workings if platform 2 is occupied/blocked - to run into platform 1 from the south using the loop line - at quieter times of the day, especially late evening, this happens a lot anyway, as it saves people the trek over the bridge and the trains can run straight on into the stabling sidings. Any turnback, if you could fit one in without mucking up the alignment of the through lines, would still block a couple of tracks while a train was entering or leaving it, not much better than the all-line block that a movement from the west sidings into platform 1 creates now.


Title: Re: Oxford sidings overhaul
Post by: stebbo on November 20, 2009, 20:39:18
Or in other words, shunt the Cotswold train out of the way because there's been a foul up on the Cotswold mainline.

Bit like, some years ago, I was at Helsinki airport of a December evening. It's snowing and there's some useless EU summit going on; BA are supposedly on time and we all board, only to be towed off the stand to wait for two hours whilst the authorities clear the runway/let the "bigwigs" land.

Know the form.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on November 26, 2009, 15:50:37
Network Rail's plans for the southern bay online today:

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=4835&NewsAreaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8 (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=4835&NewsAreaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8)

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 26, 2009, 18:25:13
Thanks for posting the link, Paul. Exciting times ahead for Oxford! In three years time the number of platforms could be double what there are now.

I hope they don't lose too many spaces in the car park, or if they do they make provision for more elsewhere - when I had a gander at about lunchtime today there was only about 20 free spaces in the long stay car park.

Also, if you look at the aerial diagram of the proposed extra platform, it becomes clear that however they dress it up, this is a far from ideal solution to the capacity problems. Just look at the hike you'll have to do if you arrive at the London end of a HST in the new bay platform and want to connect with a Bicester train or something in platform 3!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on November 26, 2009, 18:46:03
And presumably the First Class pax will have furthest of all to walk. ;D  Poor things...

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: gwr2006 on November 26, 2009, 19:51:14
Thanks for posting the link, Paul. Exciting times ahead for Oxford! In three years time the number of platforms could be double what there are now.

I hope they don't lose too many spaces in the car park, or if they do they make provision for more elsewhere - when I had a gander at about lunchtime today there was only about 20 free spaces in the long stay car park.

Also, if you look at the aerial diagram of the proposed extra platform, it becomes clear that however they dress it up, this is a far from ideal solution to the capacity problems. Just look at the hike you'll have to do if you arrive at the London end of a HST in the new bay platform and want to connect with a Bicester train or something in platform 3!

I think there's around 250 lost parking spaces or so I am told.

Also, bear in mind that to reach the new bay platform terminating trains will have to crossover from the Down Main Line to the Up & Down Goods Loop at Hinksey North. Isnt that just shifting the shunting move from the north of the station to the south - it still takes out capacity doesn't it?

FC users will enjoy the exercise as they hike down the platform everyday to get back to their 4x4's in the car park!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: John R on November 26, 2009, 21:47:33
And presumably the First Class pax will have furthest of all to walk. ;D  Poor things...

Paul

Does your comment allow for the planned flip of High Speed Train's (HST)s (assuming this is still happening?)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on November 27, 2009, 23:57:45
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I think there's around 250 lost parking spaces or so I am told.

Also, bear in mind that to reach the new bay platform terminating trains will have to crossover from the Down Main Line to the Up & Down Goods Loop at Hinksey North. Isnt that just shifting the shunting move from the north of the station to the south - it still takes out capacity doesn't it?

If it was 250 spaces that would account for about half of the entire car park and even taking the most pessimistic view, going by the plan, the area being used wouldn't account for that scale of losses.

As for the crossing move, of course it affects capacity, but not as badly as the shunt at the north end across from the sidings west of the line to platform 1, which blocks any other movement in the entire station area. Even under current arrangements, if there are two trains from Didcot heading into Oxford - one terminating and one behind it going towards Banbury or Worcester - the signallers are pretty skilled - so long as platform 1 is free - at switching the terminating train into platform 1, then resetting the route for the following train to head into platform 2, achieving near simultaneous arrivals. I have even seen this done while there is a freight bound for Didcot crawling along on the through line at low speed, waiting for the main line to clear once the train routed for platform 1 is safely in the loop line.

Of course this scheme is not ideal but due to interminable prevarication on the part of the city and county councils and the railway industry over grasping the nettle of what to do with the station and the adjacent Rewley Road LNWR site, we are where we are. There were plans as far back as the 1950s to build the main city bus station on the Rewley Road land and link it with a better railway station, but nothing was ever done and Railtrack eventually flogged it off to the university to build the Said business school, thus effectively removing any room to shunt the station to the east - and compounded the crime by allowing the youth hostel to go up at the back of platform 2, making it much harder to make space for a loop line to create an island at that side.

And the business units alongside the tracks beyond the southern end of the car park were built on yet more former railway land, which would have been ideal for replacement parking. Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing...

See also http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/archive/2009/11/26/Oxford+news+%28om_oxfordnews%29/4760538.__10m_platform_for_Oxford_railway_station_expansion/ (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/archive/2009/11/26/Oxford+news+%28om_oxfordnews%29/4760538.__10m_platform_for_Oxford_railway_station_expansion/)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Oxman on November 28, 2009, 00:34:53
The car park is a major issue. The disproportional reduction in the number of spaces is caused by the creation of a drop off point and the introduction of a significant number of disabled parking spaces, with all spaces conforming to current standards. The number of disabled spaces is also governed by legislation, I believe.

Adding the Chiltern Evergreen 3 proposal (which will take out the short stay car park) increases the problem. A radical solution is needed - time to deck the car park?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 28, 2009, 17:45:23
A radical solution is needed - time to deck the car park?

That would be a good solution, but would it ever be allowed given the architectural status of the city? There's also plenty of spare land in the former South Yard which could be used, but it's a long way from the main part of the station.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on November 30, 2009, 13:58:32
Hmmm - there's little of historic interest about the car park, that decking couldn't be done.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 30, 2009, 14:07:18
Hmmm - there's little of historic interest about the car park, that decking couldn't be done.

I was thinking more about the immediate surrounding area, and the fact Oxfordshire County Council will no doubt see the station area as a gateway to the town when arriving by train. There was a fuss when the original car park was originally built about 15 years ago with little or no vegetation included - and a year or two later some small trees and bushes had to be added. So, if a fuss is going to be made about that, you can bet your life that a fuss will be made if anyone suggested a few thousand tonnes of steel decking gets plonked there!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on January 11, 2010, 22:15:35
A bit of work getting under way this week, to replace the lifts installed 20 years ago when the footbridge was built

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=4630


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 11, 2010, 22:48:33
I risk asking a silly question here, but if the footbridge is only 20 years old, where/how did people cross between platforms before it was built? Did it replace a previous structure?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on January 12, 2010, 08:23:33
There was a narrow and horrible subway.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on January 12, 2010, 08:39:09
Which is still there, sealed off. Its position is marked on the sides of the platforms.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on January 12, 2010, 09:45:06
I'm following up to ensure suitable access is maintained at all times for the less mobile - maybe by allowing some blue badge parking outside the access / egress to the downside platform too.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 12, 2010, 13:03:13
A bit of work getting under way this week, to replace the lifts installed 20 years ago when the footbridge was built

I was a little surprised to hear that they were being replaced so soon. Is twenty years really the average life-span of a lift? There was also quite a delay - between 1 and 2 years I think - between the footbridge opening and the lifts finally being installed. I think BR had committed to providing lifts, but in a less enlightened age, were less than keen to keep their promise!

As Will says the old dank smelly subway is now sealed off with metal covers on the platforms, but I think it still serves a useful role carrying electrical cables.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Tim on January 12, 2010, 13:21:05
I'm following up to ensure suitable access is maintained at all times for the less mobile - maybe by allowing some blue badge parking outside the access / egress to the downside platform too.

FGW's website report that exit/entrance will be available from platform 2 to the road behind the station for those passengers requiring it. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on January 12, 2010, 13:47:11
Yes, I know - but nothing about pick up / set down....

Hopefully for not long though....


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on January 12, 2010, 23:18:38
But in all honesty Chris, I don't think there's a problem with anyone rolling up at the back of platform 2 and parking for a while to drop off and pick up - lots of people do it in the mornings and evenings to avoid having to try to drive round to the main entrance.

And I don't think anyone has a clue about who is responsible for enforcing whatever restrictions there are in Roger Dudman Way, which leads a twilight zone existence as part railway access to platform 2 and the BTP office and catering stores that side, and part public access to Turbo Ted's nursery and the university accommodation on former railway land beyond that, plus being part of a cycle route to Jericho.

There are various notices dating back to BR days about enforcement of waiting restrictions but none I can see indicating what such restrictions may be, nor have I ever seen any sign that FGW or Network Rail is employing clampers there.

An old Oxford Mail report on the bizarre nature of Roger Dudman Way is here http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/1663603.___Strangest____city_street_needs_major_clean_up/

I'm not sure that they have actually made much progress towards achieving the things councillor Pressel wanted back in 2007.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on January 13, 2010, 10:08:46
I'm concerned that space is reserved for the less mobiloe and not taken up by lazy commuters....


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on January 13, 2010, 23:27:03
Always seem to be spaces there, as I say most are simply dropping off and picking up, so not hanging around.

Anyway, at the rate the contractors are going, the work may not take until March. They were cutting up the remains of the lifts simultaneously in both shafts gone 6pm tonight.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Andy on February 03, 2010, 17:11:26
Can't they be "re-cycled" in some way?  ;)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on March 21, 2010, 13:20:35
The new footbridge lifts have been use for the past few days.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on March 26, 2010, 23:55:58
Photographer Martin Loader has just uploaded a photograph taken at Oxford in 1990 of a Reading-Bicester train with the then gleaming new station and the footbridge in its original form - without the lifts. How times have changed. See http://www.hondawanderer.com/L409_Oxford_1990.htm


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 27, 2010, 09:07:57
You don't see many 3-car trains going to Bicester now - and look at all those litter bins...  :o


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: devon_metro on March 27, 2010, 14:25:57
Photographer Martin Loader has just uploaded a photograph taken at Oxford in 1990 of a Reading-Bicester train with the then gleaming new station and the footbridge in its original form - without the lifts. How times have changed. See http://www.hondawanderer.com/L409_Oxford_1990.htm

I too noticed that yesterday, was interested to see how new it is!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 07, 2010, 19:45:39
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/7990073.All_change_for_new_look_Oxford_platform/):

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All change for new-look Oxford platform

These images of how a planned new platform at Oxford railway station could look, has been released as part of public consultation.
Oxfordshire County Council is inviting the public to comment on the ^10m scheme at its website or by picking up details of the plan from the passenger information desk at the station, where details are on display.
The new platform, south of Botley Road on part of the station^s long-stay car park, off Becket Street, will be used by services between the city and London, with the aim of reducing delays caused by shunting trains between the station^s existing platforms and the sidings north of the station.
The platform, inset, will be connected to the main station building by a new covered footbridge over Botley Road. Huw Jones, Oxfordshire County Council^s director for environment and economy, said: ^We^re very excited about this project and looking forward to hearing what people think.^
If planning permission is granted, construction could start next year. The deadline for comments is April 26.
For further details on the station scheme, go to myconsultations.oxfordshire.gov.uk


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on April 08, 2010, 17:44:45
The picture on the Network rail site shows that the bridge will be split, with a paid side, and a public side. Looks very much like steps from the carpark giving access through a barrier line - makes sense in that regular pax such as season ticket holders joining/leaving trains in the new bay won't ever have to visit the main station at all...

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Resource-Library/New-platform-and-footbridge-at-Oxford-station-b3f.aspx (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Resource-Library/New-platform-and-footbridge-at-Oxford-station-b3f.aspx)

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2010, 20:46:20
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/8607652.stm):

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Passengers see ^12m Oxford Station plans

Rail passengers are being asked for their opinions on ^12m plans to upgrade Oxford Station.
They include building a new platform on the existing long-stay car park and a new footbridge with a covered walkway over Botley Road.
The county council and Network Rail are funding the scheme and want it completed by 2012 if planning permission is granted later this year.
Displays will be on show at the station until 26 April.
There was a mixed reaction among rail users interviewed by the BBC at the station about the plans.
Sumit Chakradorty welcomed the prospect of a new platform. He said: "It would be good for the image of Oxford and make it a better experience for commuters."
But another passenger, Phil Dodd, questioned whether the level of investment was needed. He said: "It's only about 10 years since they refurbished the station. It's a nice scheme but is it really necessary?"
Mark Harwood supported the idea. He said: "Public transport is massively important. Anything that increases rail options has to be good."


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on April 08, 2010, 21:51:19
There are a series of images of the design, including details of the platform, at the county council's online consultation page, which also feature in the display in the booking hall at the station.

http://myconsultations.oxfordshire.gov.uk/inovem/consult.ti/oxfordstation/consultationHome


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 08, 2010, 22:12:05
I rather like the sweeping curves of the footbridge, although no doubt there will be those in the city who are furious that the building will not be constructed from Cotswold stone and feature spires and gargoyles. Can't say I'm much of a fan of the view from the platform side though: although I admit it's only a vague artist's impression, it looks like a quick and nasty 1960s prefab job from that angle.

And as an aside, I'm impressed that they managed an accurate depiction of an OBC Citaro (probably one of the flavours of route 4!) waiting at the traffic lights...


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 09, 2010, 01:24:13
Thanks for the links, guys.  All looks fairly impressive to me, though I remain a little concerned over how many parking spaces will be lost.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 18, 2010, 21:32:57
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxford/10326838.stm):

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^10m Oxford railway station upgrade under threat

A ^10m upgrade of Oxford train station is under threat.

The Department for Transport was set to contribute ^5m but the project is under review as the new government looks to cut back on public spending.

The plans include building a new platform on the existing long-stay car park and a new footbridge with a covered walkway over Botley Road.

Network Rail, which would also provide a share of the money, had planned for the work to be completed by early 2012.

The plans are part of Oxfordshire County Council's Access to Oxford project, which was set up to make the city more accessible.

Leader Keith Mitchell said he hoped there was a way the work could still go ahead.

"It's really important, not just for Oxford but for the whole transport system around because it's a pivotal point in the system," he added.

The plans went on public display at Oxford Station in April and a planning application was being prepared for later this year.

On 24 May, the government announced that savings of ^683m were to be made from the Department for Transport's 2010/11 budget.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on September 30, 2010, 13:43:56
The new bay platform at the south end and the covered bridge over Botley Road have been given planning permission by the city council

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/8422329.Bridging_way_to_new_look_station/


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 30, 2010, 16:39:23
I must admit I thought that the scheme might quietly be dropped to save some money, but good news that it's still looking likely to go ahead.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: gwr2006 on September 30, 2010, 19:16:47
I must admit I thought that the scheme might quietly be dropped to save some money, but good news that it's still looking likely to go ahead.

Unfortunately the money isn't confirmed yet so there's still time for that happen!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 30, 2010, 19:50:02
It's also interesting that the figure for the cost of this project varies between ^10 million and ^12 million, and back again, in the three previous stories from the BBC, quoted above.  ::)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on September 30, 2010, 20:30:21
It's also interesting that the figure for the cost of this project varies between ^10 million and ^12 million, and back again, in the three previous stories from the BBC, quoted above.  ::)

Depends if the journalist is writing in the peak or offpeak I expect... ;D

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: willc on September 30, 2010, 23:57:10
The ^10m figure was the one originally cited last November when the design was first unveiled. ^12.5m is the figure being given now.

The Network Rail share is coming from its Action Stations budget. The doubts are over the county's share, as that is meant to be part of its Access to Oxford strategy, which also includes other transport schemes and is caught up in the government spending review process. The council's ruling Tory group has been lobbying Mr Cameron personally, we have been told.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 06, 2010, 20:13:35
From the Oxford Times (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/leisure/8435056.The_Railway_Station_Oxford_might_have_had/):

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The Railway Station Oxford might have had

The railways came to Oxford comparatively late ^ thanks to the university authorities^ fear that the bright lights of London might tempt undergraduates away from their studies and generally undermine the cloistered world of dreaming spires.

The Warden of Wadham College led the fight against the Great Western Railway Act of 1843, which paved the way for the arrival of trains here the following year; and even when the first station was built, it was situated, inconveniently enough, in Western Road, Grandpont ^ so any student catching a train to London had to pay the toll to cross Folly Bridge to get there.

The first station on the present site opened on October 1, 1852, after Great Western took over a rival company, the Oxford and Rugby Railway, which had planned a station there.

Now the ^12.5m expansion plan for the place, approved last week, continues the ongoing railway saga at Oxford. But thanks to Frank Dumbleton, of Chilton, who sent in the lithograph (pictured), dating from about 1846, we have a tantalising idea of how the station would have looked had plans by the Oxford Worcester and Wolverhampton Railway company gone ahead.

The picture, displayed in the Great Western Trust^s Museum and Archive at Didcot Railway Centre, shows a splendid structure which, had it been built, would have provided a suitably grand arrival point in Oxford ^ instead of the series of far-from-grand stations we have had to put up with over the years.

Mr Dumbleton writes: ^The architectural style is very similar to Stoke-on-Trent station, which was completed in 1848 and is described as a ^robust Jacobean manor house^. The Oxford Worcester and Wolverhampton Railway (OWW) had a difficult history. It was incorporated in 1845 by Act of Parliament, but not completed until 1853. The route from Oxford to Worcester is today^s Cotswold Line. It was inextricably drawn into the gauge wars, with the Great Western Railway^s broad gauge branch from Didcot to Oxford at its southern end, and the standard gauge railways of the rest of the country at the Wolverhampton end. Not surprisingly, the gauge controversy cost much money, and the OWW had little left to build stations in the style it would have liked. In 1860, it became part of the West Midland Railway, which was absorbed into the Great Western Railway in 1863.

^The Oxford station lithograph used to hang at Paddington station in London, along with many other mementoes of the Isambard Kingdom Brunel era. When Stanley Raymond became the Western Region^s general manager in the early 1960s, he had a mission to banish the GWR traditions that still permeated the place, and he ordered that all the pictures be destroyed. Fortunately, railway enthusiasts rescued many of them.^

For more than a century the present Oxford Station stood cheek by jowl with the lovely Rewley Road station, opened in 1851. It served the line to London via Bletchley and was built by the same engineers who developed Joseph Paxton^s ideas at Crystal Palace ^ which housed the Great Exhibition in London of that year. It closed to passengers in 1951 and was removed to the Quainton Railway Society^s Railway Centre, in Buckinghamshire, in 1998 ^ to make way for the Said Business School.

Crystal Palace burned down in 1936 but the Rewley Road station contained so many echoes of it that the magazine The Structural Engineer commented in 1975: ^Until recently it was thought that no trace of the Crystal Palace structure remained. Strictly speaking, none does, but something very similar has survived.^

It then went on to describe the Paxton-like work at Rewley Road. The magazine added: ^Almost more telling as a comparison than the structural components are the remains of the decorative iron cladding at Oxford which were clearly made from the same castings as in the Exhibition Building.^

As for the dons^ fears that the train to London might take students away from their studies, perhaps they were right: the last train back to Oxford was for years called the Flying Fornicator.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: JayMac on October 06, 2010, 23:11:12
From the Oxford Times (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/leisure/8435056.The_Railway_Station_Oxford_might_have_had/):

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As for the dons^ fears that the train to London might take students away from their studies, perhaps they were right: the last train back to Oxford was for years called the Flying Fornicator.

Can we petition FGW to get that name reinstated?!?!

 ;D


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 07, 2010, 00:18:24
Would it be a turbo, or a pacer?  :-[


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on October 31, 2010, 11:28:37
The new bay platform & associated transfer deck has been a victim of the cuts!

From the Oxford Mail....

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Transport projects worth ^62m shelved
9:00am Friday 29th October 2010

^By Chris Walker ^


PLANS to Transform Oxford railway station and the A34 as part of the most extensive transport project in the city^s history have been shelved.

In 2007 the county council was allocated ^62m for its ambitious Access to Oxford project, which promised to expand the railway station and tackle congestion on the A34 as well as the city^s ring road.

At the time the county^s then transport chief David Robertson said it was ^the largest sum for transport ever handed to Oxfordshire^.

Funding for the scheme became uncertain when the Regional Transport Board was abolished by the coalition Government in June 2010.

Now it has emerged County Hall has missed out on the cash after the Department of Transport overlooked the project and chose to spend ^2.3bn on 24 other transport schemes instead.

Commuters now face missing out on the ^12.5m expansion of the station for the foreseeable future as Network Rail^s funding for the scheme is dependent on the council getting the cash.

A further ^47m of investment to cut congestion on the A34 and install new slip lanes and bus lanes on the northern and southern approaches into Oxford also hang in the balance.

Hugh Jaeger, spokesman for the Railfuture campaign group and Bus Users UK in Oxfordshire said: ^This is a disaster.

^The buses will lose out, the trains will lose out and the poor people trying to get into Oxford will lose out.^

The blow comes just six weeks after the city council gave planning permission for the expansion of the station.

The plan would see a new platform added south of the Botley Road to reduce passenger congestion and improve journey times to London.

Chairman of the Oxford-Bicester Rail Action Group Dr Ian East said: ^Oxford Station really did need reconfiguration and expansion.

^At the busiest times it^s overcrowded and heading towards being dangerous.^

The station is at the start or end of 5.6 million train journeys a year, with passenger numbers at Oxford rising by 16.5 per cent in 2008/09.

County Hall can now submit new bids for cash to the ^560m Local Sustainable Transport Fund and ^400m Regional Growth Fund in April next year.

However, with public finances tight it is unclear what scale of project the council will be able win cash for.

Earlier this year councillor Ian Hudspeth, the council^s cabinet member for growth and infrastructure, made a personal appeal to Prime Minister David Cameron to try and secure the cash.

He said: ^This is bitterly disappointing news. Having initially secured funding we have now become victims of the nation^s financial woes and the Government^s efforts to resolve them.

^However, we must retain our ambitions and push our case to central government at any and every opportunity.^

Missing this funding does not affect the council^s ability to fund Transform Oxford or improve Frideswide Square.

However, these projects are currently part of the council^s review of all its capital spending.

Plans to change Heyford Hill roundabout are also not expected to be affected.

Network Rail spokesman Russell Spink confirmed that Network Rail^s cash for Oxford station was not ring-fenced.

He said: ^The loss of the county council^s funding is a blow, but all parties are determined to find a solution which allows us to deliver this scheme.^

DfT spokesman Paul Starbrook said: ^The Access for Oxford scheme did not secure funding through the regional funding and we would therefore encourage the promoters to look at alternative funding mechanisms.^

Labour MP for Oxford East Andrew Smith said: ^This is really bad news. I wrote to the Government strongly supporting the county bid.

^This Coalition decision is cutting off its nose to spite its face because Oxford is an economic powerhouse for the region and the country.

^These improvements would have boosted the economy as well as making travel better for local people.

^I will work with the county council to continue to press our case at every opportunity.^

Conservative MP for Abingdon and Oxford West Nicola Blackwood said: ^This decision is obviously a big disappointment for all of us.

^But we are dealing with one of the most serious fiscal crises this country has faced in the last 50 years and the Government^s first priority has to be to get the public finances back in order.

^Access to Oxford is an important project that would offer a significant economic boost to our region, not to mention improve the quality of life of many residents.

^I have already written on this issue to Philip Hammond, Transport Secretary, and will continue to work with the county council to take our case to the Government.

^I hope that Oxfordshire^s new status as a local enterprise partnership will help strengthen our cause.^

Conservative MP for Henley John Howell said: ^I agree with the county council that it is a shame, but I^m not surprised given the way we^ve been left with no money by the previous government.

^More important than that, the bid made by the county council and others for one of the new local enterprise partnerships has been approved, which presents an exciting opportunity to grasp the issue of infrastructure for the Oxfordshire region as a whole.

^And who knows what that may produce for transport in the local area.^

Conservative MP for Banbury Tony Baldry said he was confident the privately funded Bicester-to-Oxford rail project would go ahead. He said: ^ Clearly it^s a time when all public spending is being substantially reduced so it^s not surprising programmes such as this are being cut back.^

Conservative MP for Witney David Cameron was in Brussels last night and unavailable for comment. Conservative MP for Wantage Ed Vaizey did not return our calls.

A new bus interchange in Mansfield, a plan to make Ipswich^s transport infrastructure fit for the 21st century and a new south entrance to Leeds train station were among the 24 schemes to win funding from the Government.

More than 16 roads projects were among those winning funding from Transport Secretary Philip Hammond including improvements on the M25, M60 in Manchester and M1 in Yorkshire and Derbyshire.

The Government will spend ^8.6m on a new bus station in the heart of Mansfield bringing it closer to the town^s trains with a new pedestrian bridge. Meanwhile, a ^14m project to build a new south entrance to Leeds railway station will make it more accessible to 20,000 passengers who head in that direction each day.

In Ipswich rebuilt bus stations, a computerised traffic management and improvements to the town^s cycle network will cost about ^25m. Although not included in this cash, an ^850m revamp of Reading train station and the surrounding track network will start in earnest in December.

And -

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Cameron blames deficit for city's transport snub
9:10am Saturday 30th October 2010



Prime Minister David Cameron says he is disappointed that Oxford has missed out on ^62m of investment to improve its road and Rail network.

Yesterday, it emerged the county council had lost out on funding for the most extensive transport project in the city^s history which would have seen the expansion of Oxford Railway Station and tackled congestion on the A34 and city ring road.

Witney MP Mr Cameron has blamed the Government^s ^900bn national debt for the cut in spending on transport projects throughout Britain.

He told the Oxford Mail: ^Clearly it is disappointing some transport schemes aren^t going ahead because of the massive budget deficit we inherited.

^Our priority has to be cutting it. This involves taking difficult decisions and means that it is just not possible for every road and public transport scheme to go ahead immediately.^

Next year the council will have to re-submit the bid to try to win part of a ^2bn cash pot from the Local Sustainable Transport Fund and the Regional Growth Fund.

Wantage MP Ed Vaizey has not responded to requests for a comment.


Title: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: Lee on December 27, 2010, 16:16:25
From the BBC: (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-12081045)

Quote from: BBC
Oxford railway bridge work begins

Work has begun to knock down a railway bridge in Oxford and replace it with a new one so the line underneath can transport more freight.

It is part of a ^71m scheme to improve the rail line between Southampton port and Nuneaton in Warwickshire, via Reading, Didcot, Oxford and Banbury.

Network Rail said the project should provide a cheaper, quicker and more practical way of transporting goods.

Work was due to get under way while the railway was shut on Christmas Day.

The project is expected to be completed by March 2011 and the road over the bridge is due to remain closed for the majority of that time.

The upgrade of the bridge that carries the Old Abingdon Road over the railway at South Hinksey is needed to allow 9ft 6in (2.9m) containers to travel underneath it.

Network Rail said much of the traffic on the A34 is caused by HGVs transporting goods to and from Southampton port.

"The A34 is one of the most congested roads in the country and much of the traffic is HGVs transporting goods to and from Southampton port," Network Rail said.

"With the cost of road congestion to the British economy estimated at more than ^10bn a year, the project will provide vital extra capacity to get freight off the roads and on to the railway."


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: Fish on December 27, 2010, 21:11:04
Unfortunately, this was overrunning by 12 hours and was eventually cancelled in the interests of allowing the diverted services avoiding Reading to be able to run as planned today.


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 28, 2010, 11:53:59
Well, there's no bridge there now, so something must have happened?


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: willc on December 28, 2010, 12:05:40
And here's the proof

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/headlines/8758864.Smashing_Christmas_Day_for_railworkers_as_bridge_demolished/


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 28, 2010, 12:16:23
If it's anything like the two bridges that were replaced between Didcot and Cholsey this time last year, the old brick bridge supports are retained and get some treatment to prepare them for a new concrete decking which will be put in place in a couple of months.  The bridge then reopens a few weeks after that when the final cosmetics have been taken care of.


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: paul7575 on December 28, 2010, 13:41:35
The general idea is seen here in Winchester, the 'old brick/new concrete' divide is plainly seen:

http://rail-news.com/2010/07/08/winchester-rail-bridge-works-near-completion/ (http://rail-news.com/2010/07/08/winchester-rail-bridge-works-near-completion/)

Also done at St Denys, and just east of Winchester somewhere, the basic technique seems to be to remove the brick arch completely down to the level where the retained abutment is parallel sided, (known as the 'springing point') then everything above is replaced with big lumps prefabricated off site.

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: Fish on December 28, 2010, 22:04:42
Well, there's no bridge there now, so something must have happened?
Sorry Industry Insider, there must have been another bridge in the Oxford area which had works cancelled.  Either that or the same bridge had more extensive work planned?


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: willc on December 29, 2010, 00:29:41
Was the only bridge being worked on near Oxford - a bridge at Goring is also being dealt with this week - but if they lost 12 hours then it seems logical they had probably planned to do more work at Abingdon Road over the weekend. However, getting the old bridge down and reopening the line ready for Monday morning were clearly the most important factors. I don't imagine catching up will be too hard, with three more months allowed to get the job finished.


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 17, 2011, 16:22:21
However, getting the old bridge down and reopening the line ready for Monday morning were clearly the most important factors. I don't imagine catching up will be too hard, with three more months allowed to get the job finished.

Just to clear up the confusion over this bridge.  The two arches over the three current tracks were removed as planned, but a separate flat span over what used to be the up relief/goods/loop line (I presume?) was left and has now been demolished.


Title: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: willc on January 24, 2011, 13:13:11
BTP press release:

PASSENGERS TO BENEFIT AS BTP OFFICERS MOVE INTO OXFORD STATION
 

Passengers using Oxford rail station will benefit from an increased police presence after the introduction of a dedicated new British Transport Police (BTP) team at the station.

Six BTP officers will form the new team, dedicated to policing the rail network from Charlbury, through Oxford and down to Reading.

Members of the public can meet the team at the official launch on Friday, 28 January, which will be attended by Chief Superintendent Mark Smith, Area Commander for BTP^s London North Area, First Great Western Director of Communications Sue Evans and Nicola Blackwood, MP for Oxford West & Abingdon.

Ch Supt Smith said: "I^m pleased that the Oxford team is now established as it means my officers can spend even more time on their patch tackling crime and getting to know their local community, who will know where to find them.

^The new office will act as a base for my team to continue protecting and serving passengers and staff, as well as working closely with the rail industry to make the network as safe as possible.

^m keen for passengers who use Oxford and the surrounding stations to contact the team to discuss any issues or concerns they have, although it will be best to call ahead and arrange a time as officers may be out of the office on patrol.^

The re-opening of the office will create a visible presence in an area that is seeing an increase in passenger numbers and a rise in new services, and was supported by First Great Western (FGW) as an extension of the localised policing service.

FGW Director of Communications, Sue Evans, said: ^With an annual footfall of 5.2 million, Oxford is one of our busiest stations and we worked hard to get a dedicated BTP team for the area.

"We^re delighted to be able to accommodate the BTP officers at Oxford Station, and will continue to work together to provide a secure environment for our customers.^

The Oxford team is led by Sergeant Adrian Naylor and also includes two PCs and three PCSOs. The team can be contacted by calling 07917 177 736.


BTP's team will be holding a passenger surgery at Oxford station from 11am on Friday, 28 January.



Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: SDS on January 24, 2011, 14:24:52
6 Officers hmm, allowing for time off, sickness, sleep, etc. That will leave around 1 or 2 on duty. Yeah thats going to make a whole load of difference isn't it!
Prob find out that 4 of them are the waste of space PCSO types.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 24, 2011, 15:23:41
6 Officers hmm, allowing for time off, sickness, sleep, etc. That will leave around 1 or 2 on duty. Yeah thats going to make a whole load of difference isn't it!
Prob find out that 4 of them are the waste of space PCSO types.

If you read the press release it tells you that 3 are PCSO's.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: readytostart on January 24, 2011, 16:30:47
6 Officers hmm, allowing for time off, sickness, sleep, etc. That will leave around 1 or 2 on duty. Yeah thats going to make a whole load of difference isn't it!
Prob find out that 4 of them are the waste of space PCSO types.

This is the second time that you've posted something wholly disrepectful to the officers of the BTP on here, how the public are supposed to have faith in them when some staff are so dismissive is beyond me.

Sure it may take BTP while to respond, this is because compared to local forces they have a far greater geographical area to cover, surely moving officers back to Oxford is addressing this. (I'm guessing the nearest BTP stations would be Reading, Swindon or Worcester).
Using PCSOs in unison with Constables allows a cost saving compared to using Police officers alone (the BTP paid for by the industry - and therefore farepayers rather than the government). They have the power to inforce fixed penalties, enforce byelaws and to detain (and are one of only two forces in the country to issue PCSOs with handcuffs to do so).
Despite the opinion that the BTP are never about and that local forces need to be called in, the ACPO estimate that the BTP are called upon approximately 8000 times a year to intervene in incidents outside of their natural jurisdiction.
I personally feel a lot safer knowing that my request for assistance is not being prioritised against catching speeders, domestics and pub fights.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: johoare on January 24, 2011, 20:23:38
I agree... I have nothing but praise for BTP (I know I posted it at the time) but when I left my purse on a train they called me at home within minutes of it arriving at Reading (without me  ::))..


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: Brucey on January 24, 2011, 20:30:26
I (fortunately) haven't had any experiences where I've needed the BTP.  However I'd much rather have smaller offices dotted around the network (like Oxford) where the officers are more familiar the area and the local troublemakers rather than have larger offices where more travelling is required to attend incidents.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: Ollie on January 25, 2011, 01:21:05
1 or 2 officers on duty at Oxford would be better than none..


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: hornbeam on January 25, 2011, 14:27:44
Good news.  ;D


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: SDS on January 25, 2011, 19:18:18
RTS,
BTP still haven't caught the person that pulled a knife on me, despite them being 5 mins away.
PCSOs no longer have the power to report, according to the one that I spoke to a couple of weeks ago, and most of them are less than effective at enforcing bye-laws. You have to tell them what bye-laws you want them kicked out of the station for.

I also once had 2 PCSOs standing right next to me, when a person pushed past me while I was dispatching and grab hold of a door handle while the train was starting to move. What do you think the PCSOs did? Nothing. But it gets better, when I shouted at the person to move away and the door was 'made safe' the person turned to me told me that "I had f**king let that train leave early, and I was a f**king wa**er".
Did the PCSOs do anything? Nope. Despite me asking for him to be detained for S5 PoA. The PCSOs did nothing said nothing and then hung around for the person to leave the platform and then vanished.

Now you wonder why I have such faith in BTP?


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 25, 2011, 19:41:40
Hmm.  British Transport Police do have a clear and detailed formal complaints process (http://www.btp.police.uk/about_us/departments/quality_of_service/concerns_and_complaints.aspx):

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Listening and responding to concerns and complaints
We will listen and respond appropriately to concerns and complaints. It is important to increase public confidence in our ability to deal with such issues effectively. If you make a complaint against British Transport Police we will:
    demonstrate police accountability
    operate to improve standards
    be responsive to the complainant^s needs
    be just and proportionate
    be timely and effective
    be open to public scrutiny and sensitive to the public interest

If you would like further information about how to make a complaint ^ including information about how to make a complaint please go to our Complaints against the Police (http://www.btp.police.uk/about_us/complaints.aspx) page.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: SDS on January 25, 2011, 21:09:11
Done that already.
The PCSOs received "words of advice" via the Local Resolution Process.

They're still looking for my knife puller.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: willc on January 25, 2011, 22:40:29
And probably looking for a lot of other criminals too, like all police forces - current overall detection rate for Thames Valley Police in Oxfordshire is about 25 per cent, though they do better with violence, up near 60 per cent.

Don't know how BTP fare by comparison but I am sure having officers in the county, not having to trek up from Reading, can only be a good thing.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: SDS on January 25, 2011, 23:30:56
You ever had a knife pulled on you?
Do you do a job which you (have to) expect to be abused, threatened, both physically and verbally?
Do you learn not to rely on BTP at ANY time, because they just don't turn up.
Were you even there when I had the knife pulled on me, do you do how I felt?

SDS out.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: willc on January 26, 2011, 01:34:23
Sorry, but I was making a general point about crime detection, not about your specific case. I wouldn't presume to put myself in your shoes at that moment. And on the odd occasion, yes, I have been abused and threatened in my line of work - though not with a knife.

We know you don't like BTP. But other police forces aren't god-like crime-busting geniuses either, so they might not have done any better catching the knifeman. And they aren't always just round the corner in an emergency either.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 26, 2011, 12:39:52
Do we know whether these officers are additional officers or simply officers that were based at Reading or London being transferred to Oxford, who would have been out and about over their patch already?


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: ChrisB on January 26, 2011, 14:26:40
No, transferred up from Reading.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: Electric train on January 26, 2011, 15:23:40
No, transferred up from Reading.
Perhaps they don't like all the building noise at Reading  ;D


It is far better for the Bobbies to be deployed out across the patch than to be concentrated in a few places


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 26, 2011, 23:17:13
No, transferred up from Reading.
It is far better for the Bobbies to be deployed out across the patch than to be concentrated in a few places

I thought they would be, and whilst it is better, yes, It's not anywhere near as good as having more officers.  These officers would already spend much of their time across the patch, so I don't see them having an office 27 miles away as making much of a difference.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 29, 2011, 23:25:53
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-12308025):

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New British Transport Police team for Oxford railway station

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British Transport Police have launched a new team at Oxford railway station to cope with a rise in passenger numbers.

The six-strong team will police the railway network from Charlbury, through Oxford, to Reading.

It comes as figures revealed an overall reduction in crime to 115 cases in 2010, compared to 142 in 2009.

Ch Supt Mark Smith, of the British Transport Police (BTP), said officers would have more time to tackle crime and get to know the local community.

"The new office will act as a base for my team to continue protecting and serving passengers and staff, as well as working closely with the rail industry to make the network as safe as possible," he said.

Previously BTP officers travelled to Oxford from London Paddington and Reading.

First Great Western director of communications, Sue Evans, said: "With an annual footfall of 5.2 million, Oxford is one of our busiest stations and we worked hard to get a dedicated BTP team for the area. We're delighted to be able to accommodate the BTP officers at Oxford Station, and will continue to work together to provide a secure environment for our customers."

The majority of reported incidents of crime at the station concerned bicycle thefts, followed by antisocial behaviour.

The previous BTP office on the site closed in 1992 as part of a restructuring of the unit.


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: willc on February 05, 2011, 01:07:24
Update on progress, with them back on schedule to complete the new structure on time.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/8832644.Redbridge_revamp_work____is_on_track___/


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 05, 2011, 01:16:04
Thanks, as ever, for your very helpful updates, willc!  :)

Erm ... Any comment on the 'your say' comment to that particular article, on the Oxford Mail website?

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Congratulations to Network Rail. In this current climate you have done very well in stringing out a 1 month job into at least 5. No flies on you eh. I wonder how long it would have taken had it been a private sector job, with loss of contract clauses in it?


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: willc on February 05, 2011, 10:44:13
Let's just say that poster has 'form'.

A more considered view by someone who knows the area has since been posted, rebutting it.


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: vacman on February 20, 2011, 13:14:11
I've found that the BTP are better the further west you go, Bristol are pretty "average" Exeter are mostly very good, Plymouth are mostly very good and Truro are absolutely superb (despite only 2 officers at Truro), the two at Truro seem to do more work than the whole of Reading and Padd put together, you only need to see the amount of press releases on this very forum from Truro!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 28, 2011, 23:57:12
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/8935669.Purge_on_abandoned_bikes/):

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Purge on abandoned bikes

Owners of bikes abandoned at Oxford Railway Station have until tomorrow to ^remove them or lose them^.

Six weeks ago train operator First Great Western and British Transport Police tagged about 500 bikes left in racks outside the station.

The company said the purge was part of a clampdown on vandalised and abandoned bikes which had been left outside the station and were take up valuable space needed by Rail passengers.

Spokesman Dan Panes said: ^We do this quite regularly. About six weeks ago we tagged all the bikes outside the station and put a note on explaining what we were doing. We explained people had until March 29 to remove the tag otherwise their bike would be seized, refurbished and sent to charity.^


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 06, 2011, 17:00:08
I must say that in my (fairly) frequent visits to Oxford over the past six months or so I have certainly noticed a marked increase in BTP presence in and around the station, be it PC's or PCSO's.  Good stuff.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on August 07, 2011, 14:25:15
The Oxford Mail is reporting concerns about BRB(residuary) planning to sell the Oxpens site (next to the ice rink), which will supposedly prevent Oxford having a completely new station built:

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9175980.Fears_over_future_of____transport_hub___/

It all seems to be a bit of an artificial argument, because according to the council's planning policy stuff provided with the sale particulars, there are no plans for a replacement station on the site anyway.   Network Rail's plans (in the RUS)  seem to be pretty much all about various expansion options on the current site, or at least in the carpark, and of course Evergreen 3 works well as planned with its independent route into the rebuilt northern platforms at the existing station.

Sale particulars are here: http://www.brbrlandsales.co.uk/sites/oxford/

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 29, 2012, 21:21:01
From road.cc (http://road.cc/content/news/51287-oxford-cycle-business-targets-rail-commuters-while-you-work-servicing):

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An Oxford-based bicycle business has set up shop at the city^s railway station to enable commuters to have their bikes serviced or repaired while they are away at work. Bainton Bikes, operating from a gazebo at the First Great Western-operated station, is also renting bikes from the facility to visitors to the university city.

Kevin Moreland of Bainton Bikes told the Oxford Mail: ^We were talking to First Great Western about putting hire bikes at the station and they said they wanted a repair service as well.^

Having visited Cambridge to see a business there called Station Cycles, Mr Moreland believed that a similar, train station-based initiative could work in Oxford. ^We know people in Oxford want longer opening hours,^ he explained. ^The feedback we have had is that they just don^t get the chance to get to a bike shop.^

To begin with the facility is open each Monday from 6.30m to 7.30pm, although it is planned that within the coming months it will start operating on a daily basis.

^It has also allowed us to offer hire and cycle tours to visitors and we are planning to open seven days a week from March or April, depending on how things go,^ said Mr Moreland, who also runs Walton Street Cycles in the city^s Jericho area.

Andy Saunders, integrated transport manager at First Great Western, said: ^Oxford is one of our most popular stations for commuting cyclists and I^m delighted to partner Walton Street Cycles and Bainton Bikes to offer this innovative service.^


Title: Re: Oxford BTP office reopens
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 30, 2012, 20:01:01
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9499857.Full_steam_ahead_for_rail_police/):

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Full steam ahead for rail police

Oxford^s British Transport Police officers are celebrating a very busy first year since moving on site at the city^s railway station.

In the 12 months since the team took up residence at Oxford Station, charges against abusive rail travellers, thieves, and drunk and disorderly louts have more than trebled, with 51 people arrested and charged last year, compared with 13 the year before.

Three suspects arrested by BTP officers in Oxford over the past year are currently on bail.

Penalty notices for disorder ^ fines of between ^50 and ^80 ^ have also risen with the arrival of the police team. Over the past year they have issued nine, compared to just one in 2010.

Sergeant Adrian Naylor, the officer in charge of Oxford BTP, said: ^Arrests made by the team of four officers have almost quadrupled, which shows that we are able to quickly respond to incidents and deal with suspects efficiently.^

He added: ^Higher figures come as a result of enhanced policing activity by officers, who regularly hold operations and conduct patrols at stations and on trains.^

Successful prosecutions have included the jailing of 23-year-old Dua Noah, from Shirley Place, Jericho, Oxford, who admitted failing to attend a drug-assessment appointment, failing to surrender to court bail, stealing ^13 worth of food from Marks & Spencer, stealing ^185 worth of clothes from Crew Clothing, stealing alcohol from Waitrose in Wallingford, and breaching a suspended sentence.

Noah, who was jailed for 18 months, was arrested by a BTP officer and Police Community Support Officer after being seen helping himself to bottles of wine in the station^s branch of Marks & Spencer. He was already wanted by Thames Valley Police.

The team have also been focusing on bike thieves who target the station^s cycle racks.

Pc Bob Burrowes, also based at Oxford, said: ^We have carried out three high-profile cycle initiatives at Oxford, Didcot and Radley, where we gave out microchips to more than 400 cyclists. The chips, which are unique and registered to an Internet site, are placed inside bicycles meaning they can be returned to their owners if they are recovered after being stolen.^

He added: ^We^ve arrested 10 suspected cycle thieves in the Oxford area and, so far, none of those arrested have come back and been arrested again.

^We have ongoing operations to arrest a further four suspected cycle thieves.

^We also work very closely with First Great Western to maintain the cycle racks, and give out information on how people should lock their bikes up.^

He said one of the team^s biggest successes was the lack of arrests on the rail network during last August^s Oxford United away clash with Swindon, despite more than 1,000 fans travelling to the match by train.

The BTP previously operated a base at Oxford, which closed in 1992 as part of restructuring.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 16, 2012, 21:07:50
From the British Transport Police press release (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/Were-you-a-witness-British-Transport-Police-appeal-after-woman-attacked-at-Oxford-rail-station-1911.aspx):

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Were you a witness? British Transport Police appeal after woman attacked at Oxford rail station

British Transport Police (BTP) is appealing for witnesses after a woman was attacked at Oxford rail station in the early hours of Saturday, 11 February.

Officers would like to hear from anyone with information about the incident which took place around 3.30am as the victim was making her way home after a night out.

PC Anthony Wykes, the investigating officer based at Oxford, said: ^The young woman had been out with a friend for the night. They^d walked back together and parted ways at the station. As the victim walked along the path close to the bike racks, talking on her mobile phone to a friend, she noticed a man loitering close to the bikes. Assuming he was unlocking a cycle, she walked past and continued with her conversation.

^Suddenly, and totally unprovoked, she was hit from behind twice to the head and once to the back. She screamed out and knocked her attacker to the floor as she turned around, before running towards a group of men who approached after hearing the commotion. However, when they got to the cycle rack the man had already fled.^

The victim, from Didcot, reported the incident to police later that day.

PC Wykes added: ^This was a swift and unprovoked attack on a woman who, fortunately, was not seriously injured. Luckily there were people around, however the attack could have been much worse and I am determined to find the man responsible.

^If you were in the area at the time, or noticed a man acting suspiciously in the vicinity, I would urge you to contact police.^

The man is described as white with a slim build aged between 30 and 35 years. He short, dark spiky hair and a moustache. He was wearing dark jeans and a brown jacket.

Anyone with information can call British Transport Police on 0800 40 50 40 quoting reference B5/LNA of 16/02/2012. Or call the independent charity Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 18, 2012, 11:19:28
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/9539328.Woman_describes_terrifying_station_attack/):

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Woman describes terrifying station attack

A supermarket worker last night described fearing for her life after a stranger attacked her at Oxford Railway Station.

Kerry Hastings was left screaming for help after a man punched her twice in the head and once in the back before grabbing hold of her jacket.

As the 20-year-old tried to flee from his grasp her attacker fell to the ground and she ran.

The Sainsbury^s cashier from Didcot was going home on her own after a night out with friends in Oxford city centre when the attack happened.

The man attacked her from behind as she passed him loitering by the bike racks at the station at 3.30am last Saturday.

She said: ^d never even seen him before. I didn^t approach him, he approached me. When I had my back to him he hit me.

^I just thought ^am I going to survive?^Somehow he was grabbing hold of my jacket as I was trying to escape and he fell over. I was just screaming.

^I was just screaming, there were no words.^

She ran towards a group of men who approached after hearing the commotion. But when they got to the cycle rack the man had already fled.

Ms Hastings said: ^If it wasn^t for the three guys running over to me because I was screaming, if no-one was there I thought I wouldn^t be alive.

^ve just recovered from five days of back pain and headaches.

^It was a good night out and this had to happen. I feel like Oxford is my home town.

^I felt safe in the city and now I^m afraid to go out alone.^

She added: ^Knowing no-one^s been arrested makes me worried he could be out there doing it to someone else.

^I do think ^why me?^ and if someone saw something then please contact the police.^

The attacker is described as white with a slim build, aged between 30 and 35.

He had dark spiky hair and a moustache. He was wearing dark jeans and a brown jacket.

Pc Anthony Wykes, from British Transport Police, said: ^This was a swift and unprovoked attack on a woman who, fortunately, was not seriously injured.

^Luckily there were people around. However, the attack could have been much worse.^

* Anyone with information can call British Transport Police on 0800 40 50 40 quoting reference B5/LNA of 16/02/2012.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Oxman on March 27, 2012, 18:50:40
From the BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-17521919

Oxford Station is unstaffed after about 0200 on a Sunday morning, AIU.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 18, 2012, 20:57:34
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-17756265):

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Ministers consider moving Oxford train station

The government has said it will look at proposals to move Oxford's railway station to a new location.

Oxford East MP Andrew Smith raised the issue in the Commons on Tuesday, asking transport minister Norman Baker to look at the plan by Oxford Civic Society. The society wants the station to be moved from Frideswide Square to the Oxpens area of the city.

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/59721000/jpg/_59721851_59721850.jpg)
Mr Baker, who told the house his mother-in-law lived near the station, said he was interested in the plans.

Responding to the Labour MP's question, Mr Baker said: "We are in a position where we are increasingly devolving responsibility for transport matters down to local council level, I think it's right to do that, and people in Oxford are in a better position to know what's best for them than people in Westminster. There are, I think, plans to improve the situation in Oxford anyway in terms of getting more trains running through it and, of course, the electrification programme the government announced will hugely benefit Oxford and points west. We have to make sure what we don't do is spend money now that would be rendered useless by further changes subsequently but I would be interested in those proposals. It's a station I know quite well, not least of which because my mother-in-law lives there... not in the station - nearby, she's not the station mistress."

After the session, Mr Smith told the BBC: "There's a chunk of land by Oxpens which is still owned by the residual old British Rail body and the government wants them to dispose of it. I've written to the secretary of state for transport and said don't sell that just yet because it is part of the jigsaw of land that you would need to assemble if the station could be moved.

"There are very strong arguments, as the Civic Society has said, for moving the station. It would enable you to put a coach station alongside it so you would have a proper interchange. It wouldn't leave the station out on the limb where it is now. It would provide a new gateway to the city, close to the new Westgate shopping centre development, and it would free up a huge amount of land around the present station site and some in Gloucester Green. It would ease all those congestion problems in Frideswide Square, so I think it's worth looking at."

Mr Smith said a study carried out eight years ago found that moving the station would be feasible if funding could be found. He said: "The point is that now there have to be big changes at Oxford station anyway because there's going to be trains running through Bicester down the Chiltern line to London, also because electrification is on the way, they want to use longer trains and have to lengthen the platforms anyway. It seems a once in a century opportunity to get a more sensible location for the station."


Title: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 20, 2012, 15:06:57
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/9660118.Sheriff_rides_out_to_save_Port_Meadow_trees/):

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Sheriff rides out to save Port Meadow trees

The Sheriff of Oxford has ridden in to stop Network Rail chopping down trees on the fringe of Port Meadow.

The rail infrastructure company began cutting down trees on the edge of track bordering the historic meadow last week. It was part of its plans to increase capacity on the railway corridor through Oxford by reinstating a fourth track from the city^s station to Wolvercote.

But a city council tree officer ordered the work be halted after neighbours and councillor Jean Fooks, the Sheriff of Oxford, complained.

Network Rail, which had planned to fell trees for about a mile between Godstow Bridge and Aristotle Lane, is now in discussions with the council about whether the scheme can resume.

The trees, which are on railway land, are being cut down to assess the potential for running larger freight trains through Oxford.

Ms Fooks, whose role as Sheriff of Oxford makes her responsible for Port Meadow, said she was worried about the ecologicial impact and the threat to nesting birds.

She added: ^The work began last week. Everybody jumped up and down and the city council^s tree officer Kevin Caldicott rose to the occasion and has managed to stop it for the time being.

^The main concerns are the damage to the general surroundings and the fact that it^s bird-nesting season. This is not the time you cut trees.^

She added: ^As the sheriff I am responsible for Port Meadow and I don^t want it spoiled. People want to know what is actually necessary. Should you be doing it now, if at all?^

City council spokesman Louisa Dean said: ^We have spoken to Network Rail and they have agreed to hold off felling the trees while we have further discussions with them.^

The extra track would allow trains from Oxford towards the Cotswold Line and to Banbury to run in parallel rather than sharing the current track.

Network Rail spokesman Sam Kelly said: ^The work we are doing is part of a wider scheme to enable longer freight trains to run in the Oxford area in the future. Freight is vital to Britain^s economic success and it also plays a big role in reducing congestion and carbon emissions.

^We are aware of local people^s concerns and the work has been temporarily suspended while we have further discussions with the council.^


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: mjones on April 20, 2012, 15:35:46
I expect there are bats and newts there as well.  ::)


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: paul7575 on April 20, 2012, 16:25:26
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/9660118.Sheriff_rides_out_to_save_Port_Meadow_trees/):

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The trees, which are on railway land, are being cut down to assess the potential for running larger freight trains through Oxford.

Sorry, but I don't believe that statement somehow.  I'm fairly sure that 'assessing the potential' (for longer freight trains) would be done well before any trees came down...

Paul`


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Btline on April 20, 2012, 16:40:49
Groan, why didn't they check with the council before getting the chainsaws out? And agreed - trees shouldn't be axed during the nesting season. How would you like it if you went to Tesco's and came back home to find your house bulldozed?

Hopefully this can get sorted asap, so the work can be finished and the extra track laid.

Of course, if railway trees were kept cut back all year round, this wouldn't be a problem!


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Btline on April 20, 2012, 16:41:35
PS: Sheriff? Oh please - this is Oxford, not the Wild West... ::)


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 20, 2012, 16:58:02
PS: Sheriff? Oh please - this is Oxford, not the Wild West... ::)

Though a Sheriff has been associated with Port Meadow for many years.  This stone plinth is located in the meadow:

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5032/6950405976_391330d7dc_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Btline on April 20, 2012, 17:05:12
Hmmm, ok.

But it was mainly the way the article portrayed this sheriff "riding out" to save the trees, shooting his pistol to stop the evil axemen. :o

Scroll down to the standard "furious residents" picture.


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 20, 2012, 17:17:32
... from which you will note that the present Sheriff of Oxford is female.

And, strictly speaking, she didn't do the actual 'stopping' herself:

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But a city council tree officer ordered the work be halted after neighbours and councillor Jean Fooks, the Sheriff of Oxford, complained.

 ;)


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Electric train on April 20, 2012, 18:17:49
Groan, why didn't they check with the council before getting the chainsaws out? And agreed - trees shouldn't be axed during the nesting season. How would you like it if you went to Tesco's and came back home to find your house bulldozed?

Hopefully this can get sorted asap, so the work can be finished and the extra track laid.

Of course, if railway trees were kept cut back all year round, this wouldn't be a problem!
On operational land Network Rail do not need to seek permission from the local authority as it come under permissible rights, however it is normal practice to consult and of course NR has to abide by environmental legislation regarding nesting birds etc

PS: Sheriff? Oh please - this is Oxford, not the Wild West... ::)
High Sheriff has been around in the UK for over 1000 years http://www.highsheriffs.com/History.htm (http://www.highsheriffs.com/History.htm), although to day in is mainly an honorary role, its roots are in tax collection and law and order.  Sheriffs are an important part of our heritage


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 20, 2012, 18:31:12
Though a Sheriff has been associated with Port Meadow for many years.  This stone plinth is located in the meadow:

I remember getting bogged down near that obelisk thingy when I was slightly too overambitious in trying to make a circuit of the meadow once. It was a very long walk retracing my steps all the way back to Walton Well Road...


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 20, 2012, 18:35:43
Yes: it does seem to be a case of 'soggy meadow' rather than Port Meadow ...  ::)


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: paul7575 on April 20, 2012, 18:55:31
I've wonder if there's another open space on the far side of Oxford that could be named Starboard Meadow...   ;D

(I'll get my waterproof jacket...)

Paul


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: JayMac on April 22, 2012, 18:50:56
...and one to the north called Bow Meadow and one to the south called Stern Meadow?

 ;D


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 23, 2012, 00:02:03
When I posted that original news item, I somehow didn't expect that we'd arrive at Captain Pugwash via The Lone Ranger ...  ::) ;D


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Electric train on April 23, 2012, 07:14:20
When I posted that original news item, I somehow didn't expect that we'd arrive at Captain Pugwash via The Lone Ranger ...  ::) ;D
Port Meadow apart from having ancient rights it is linked to a work of fiction Alice in Wonderland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Meadow,_Oxford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Meadow,_Oxford)


Title: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on April 27, 2012, 17:06:14
I was at Oxford yesterday, waiting for the 1307 stopper to Pangbourne.  From about 1255 a route was set up on the down main. At 1301 a loco + 1 van trundled through, slowly as it was on a yellow. When it had passed through the ECS for the 1301 fast to Padd came off the down sidings.  It left Oxford 6 late at 1307.  The shunt driver and his relief muttered to each other about the needless late start, which must have been enough to mess up its path to Padd.

This of course delayed the 1307 stopper - didn't really matter for me going to Pangbourne because of the Didcot layover. But I think it caught the following 1316 Oxford - Bournemouth XC at Didcot North Junction as we called Radley and Culham.

I've seen this kind of thing happen many times.  Is it difficult to regulate accurately at Oxford? Do the signallers have the information they need to make the right decisions? Are they short staffed in the signalling centre (I admit I don't know where Oxford is signalled from at the moment)?

There's all these signs telling passengers that seconds matter and that doors will close 40 seconds before train time etc. but it makes you think that far more time could be saved at Oxford if regulation was improved (and there were realistic timings for ECS to move to/from the sidings).

 




Title: Re: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2012, 22:46:32
Things were very much up in the air today, around that time, following the fatality at Southall. Could it not be that the regulation of services through Oxford, including the 'loco + van' was done in such a way as to minimize delays to all services?


Title: Re: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: Oxman on April 28, 2012, 00:15:52
Oxford is regulated by Oxford Panel, which is situated just behind platform 2, north of the footbridge. There is a window that looks out onto the platform from the panel operating room - easily visible from trains as they pass. Its a single story structure, so not very impressive!

Normal staffing is two signallers from 0700 to 1900 (one working the panel, the other doing back office duties) and one from 1900 to 0700. The control area on the down starts at about Culham and extends thru to about Heyford.

A loco and one van sounds like an MOD train, possibly for Bicester. A single yellow could mean it was routed into the down passenger loop or was to be routed towards Bicester.

Its possible that immediately behind it was the 1306 cross country service from Oxford to the north. Behind that would have been a terminating down local service, which would have to be cleared to the down sidings, and behind that would have been a Cotswolds service. So, its possible that the signaller took the decision to run the freight in order to clear the down line, as this would produce the least worst delay.


Regulation at Oxford is much more of an art than a science!


Title: Re: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: inspector_blakey on April 28, 2012, 00:23:11
Movements from the down carriage sidings to platform 1 are a real pain in the backside at Oxford because they occur very frequently and block all lines through the station as they occur. Sadly as long as trains turn back at Oxford and have to switch from the down platform to the up platform there's no way of avoiding this situation: I don't know if the track layout would allow a down terminator to access the up carriage sidings, but even if it did that move would block all lines anyway.


Title: Re: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on April 28, 2012, 10:08:51

Its possible that immediately behind it was the 1306 cross country service from Oxford to the north. Behind that would have been a terminating down local service, which would have to be cleared to the down sidings, and behind that would have been a Cotswolds service. So, its possible that the signaller took the decision to run the freight in order to clear the down line, as this would produce the least worst delay.


Regulation at Oxford is much more of an art than a science!

Yes, but that wouldn't justify the route being set up 6 minutes in advance, during which the ECS for the 1301 Oxford - Padd could have been routed across.


Title: Re: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: Electric train on April 28, 2012, 10:24:29

Its possible that immediately behind it was the 1306 cross country service from Oxford to the north. Behind that would have been a terminating down local service, which would have to be cleared to the down sidings, and behind that would have been a Cotswolds service. So, its possible that the signaller took the decision to run the freight in order to clear the down line, as this would produce the least worst delay.


Regulation at Oxford is much more of an art than a science!

Yes, but that wouldn't justify the route being set up 6 minutes in advance, during which the ECS for the 1301 Oxford - Padd could have been routed across.

I am not a sinaling Engineer but my understanding of the basics is setting up routes is not an instantaneous system there are a number of devices that limit what a signaler can do, trains have to be in-advance of controlling signals and there are a number of timers for things like line speed and the speed of the cross overs etc, 6 minutes may seem like a long time but the signaling system cannot differentiate between a fast passenger train and a slow moving freight


Title: Re: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: Oxman on April 28, 2012, 18:37:57
Its also possible that the set for the 1301 was not ready to leave the down sidings, for any one of a number of possible reasons. Drivers are instructed to call the signaller when they are ready to move, and the signaller will not give the road until he has received this call.


Title: Re: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on April 29, 2012, 11:18:42
Well done on your defence of NR at Oxford, Oxman, but 2 questions:
1. If by 1255 the driver of the set had not phoned in to say he was ready (unlilley in my view), clearly the signaller should have not blocked the route off the sidings in case the driver did then phone up.
2  Could not the loco and van have been brought into the down through line at Oxford and held there, thus allowing any following trains into the down platform line, and not blocking the route off the down sidings for the set for the 1301?

Anyway, maybe we can move on now.  I've made my point about Oxfrod.

However, interesting point that regulation may be more of an art than a science -  I remember many years ago Trains Illustrated (?) featuring articles asking the same question about steam locomotive driving.  I would say both are sciences, but then I'm an engineer.  Maybe there are other views.


Title: Re: Regulation at Oxford
Post by: Oxman on April 29, 2012, 11:40:01
I did have the opportunity to spend time in the panel at Oxford (I have never worked for NR, by the way!) and found it surprising how difficult it could be at times to operate what appears to be a fairly simple layout. Some of the overlaps are very restrictive. Having said that, I witnessed the odd cock up by signallers, usually to do with allowing an early running train into the upside platform ahead of the next scheduled service!


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 12, 2012, 21:43:36
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/9702611.Compromise_reached_over_rail_line_tree_felling/):

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Compromise reached over rail line tree felling

Tree clearance work on an out-of-use section of railway trackbed between Oxford and Wolvercote has resumed after a compromise was agreed between Network Rail and Oxford City Council.

Tree surgeons working for the rail infrastructure company are now clearing low-hanging branches and shrubs to allow surveyors access to the trackbed of a former goods train loop line which runs along the eastern edge of Port Meadow and Wolvercote Common, from Aristotle Lane to the junction for the Cotswold Line to Worcester.

Tree felling work alongside Wolvercote Common was halted last month by the council^s trees officer Kevin Caldicott after the Sheriff of Oxford, Jean Fooks, complained that it could affect nesting birds.

Network Rail wants to carry out a detailed survey to assess what work will be needed to get the overgrown trackbed back into shape to carry a railway line again as part of its plans to increase capacity through Oxford.

If it was reinstated, trains from Oxford towards Banbury and the Cotswold Line would be able to run in parallel to Wolvercote, rather than having to share a single track.

A Network Rail spokesman said: ^We are aware of local people^s concerns and, following discussions with the council^s tree officer and ecologists, have agreed to limit the vegetation clearance to a metre-wide strip along the embankment. This will enable surveyors to assess the condition of the ground, while limiting the visual impact.^

The loop line was built in the early 1940s to cope with a surge in rail traffic during the Second World War. The track was removed after it was taken out of use in 1973. For most of its length it ran on an embankment separated from the main trackbed of the Oxford-Banbury line by a drainage channel.


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Btline on May 12, 2012, 21:56:39
Um, so why didn't they just do the 1 mtr strip if that's all that's required?

I suppose it's easier just to chainsaw the lot down than to select. ::)

Anyway, surely when trains start running, the rest will have to be axed to prevent leaves in the line! ;D


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: TonyK on May 13, 2012, 00:16:59
Hmmm, ok.

But it was mainly the way the article portrayed this sheriff "riding out" to save the trees, shooting his pistol to stop the evil axemen. :o


The hell he did!


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Tim on May 14, 2012, 11:01:53
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/oxford/9660118.Sheriff_rides_out_to_save_Port_Meadow_trees/):

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The trees, which are on railway land, are being cut down to assess the potential for running larger freight trains through Oxford.



Sorry, but I don't believe that statement somehow.  I'm fairly sure that 'assessing the potential' (for longer freight trains) would be done well before any trees came down...

Paul`

I suspect they mean "assessing the commercial or technical viability of these trains".  Clear the siding and then run a trial service to see if longer trains run reliably and full enough to turn a profit. 


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: paul7575 on May 14, 2012, 11:16:57
No, what I mean is that there is a current CP4 project already doing the design work to GRIP4 (single option development, ie they have got beyond choice of options) to run longer freight trains on this route. It's a subset of a national train lengthening project and already reflects a policy to run longer trains - they wouldn't do that unless it was already proved to be viable.

The work anticipated on the route (as at Mar 2012) is as follows:

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Southampton Western Docks Extend Up / Down Docks branch
Southampton Maritime ^ Redbridge Extend Depot Reception sidings
Eastleigh Provide 775m Up Loop
Wallers Ash Re-site signalling
Oxford Extend Down passenger loop to Wolvercot Junction
Fenny Compton Increase speed of entry / exit to 40 mph
Dorridge Extend Down loop to 775m
Washwood Heath Extend Up/Derby Slow and Washwood Heath Goods Loop to 775m

It is that level of detail that suggests that the trains will happen, the decision isn't pending these trees being investigated.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 17, 2012, 21:27:49
From the British Transport Police press release (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/BTP-release-CCTV-after-cycle-stolen-from-Oxford-station-1a8a.aspx):

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British Transport Police (BTP) is appealing for information after a cycle was stolen from Oxford rail station.

Investigators have released CCTV of a man they would like to speak to in connection with the theft, which took place on Thursday, 22 March.

PC Bob Burrowes, investigating officer, said: ^The victim, a 42-year-old from Oxford, had left her bike locked to the cycle racks outside the station at around 3.15pm. When she returned to collect it at 9.50pm she realised it had been taken.^

Officers have conducted several lines of enquiry into the incident including speaking to local commuters and anniversary visits in the area but to no avail. CCTV has been viewed and police are now keen to speak to the man pictured, who is believed to have key information.

(http://www.btp.presscentre.com/imagelibrary/displaymedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=8703&SizeID=2)  (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/imagelibrary/displaymedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=8704&SizeID=2)

PC Burrowes said: ^From viewing CCTV footage at the station, we know what a man was seen loitering around the bike racks around 5.15pm. If you recognise the man pictured and think you can tell us who he is, please get in touch.

^Unfortunately cycles are a popular target for thieves but there are several steps people can take to ensure their bikes are adequately marked and secured to help reduce the risk of becoming a victim of bike theft.

^The best thing to remember is to register your bike and also to ensure a solid lock is used to secure it. If a bike is adequately marked, it makes it much easier to identify and therefore reduces its desirability to thieves.^

BTP officers regularly conduct cycle crime awareness surgeries at stations to offer crime prevention advice and identify the top locations for bike theft regularly, they are then targeted them through covert and overt policing operations to try and catch would-be offenders in the act.

Anyone who can name the man in the CCTV images should contact BTP on Freefone 0800 40 50 40 quoting reference B13/LNA of 16/05/12. Alternatively, contact the independent charity Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111.

Police advice for making your bike more secure:
- Get your bike tagged and register it at www.bikeregister.com
- Ensure you have a solid lock
- Always lock your bicycle through its frame, not just through the wheel
- Fix your bike to solid, immovable objects in recognised cycle storage areas
- Whenever possible, lock your bike in a busy, well-lit and CCTV-covered area


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 27, 2012, 21:19:21
Another incident - from the British Transport Police press release (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/CCTV-released-Cycle-theft-sees-13-year-old-boy-s-bike-stolen-Oxford-1c00.aspx):

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CCTV released: Cycle theft sees 13-year-old boy^s bike stolen ^ Oxford

British Transport Police (BTP) officers are appealing for information after a 13-year-old boy had his bike stolen from Oxford rail station last week.

Investigators have today released CCTV of a man they would like to speak to in connection with the theft, which took place on Tuesday, 14 August 2012.

PC Roddy Brown, of BTP at Oxford station and who is investigating the theft, said: ^The young victim secured his bike to the racks at the station with a lock around midday. When he returned around 2.30pm, he noticed his bike had been taken.

^After viewing CCTV a man is seen to arrive at the racks on a bike at 2.15pm, before stealing the boy^s bike and riding off.^

Officers are conducting a number of enquiries into the incident including speaking to anyone who may have witnessed the incident, viewing CCTV as well as carrying out anniversary visits to the station.

PC Brown added: ^Officers will continue to carry out high visible patrols in and around the station and bike racks, delivering crime prevention advice for owners who fail to properly lock and secure their cycles.

^We work closely with train operator First Great Western to tackle cycle crime at rail stations and ask passengers to report any suspicious behaviour to a member of staff or police.^

Earlier this week, a man was arrested and charged for the attempted theft of a bike at the same station. Jason Mark Kilduff (33) of Linnet Close, Oxford, was charged with one count of going equipped and two counts of theft of a cycle. He is next due to appear at Oxford Magistrates^ Court on Friday, 7 September with bail conditions not to enter Oxford rail station.

TIPS TO ENSURE YOUR BICYCLE REMAINS SAFE AND SECURE:

Bicycles are a popular target for thieves. Here are some simple tips to ensure your cycle remains secure:

^ Always lock your bicycle whenever you leave it at a designated cycle rack area. Lock the frame and both wheels to a cycle stand.

^ Consider using more than one lock to secure your bike and ensure that you use a recognised security standard lock. D-locks, extension cable or heavy chain locks are certified locking mechanisms. It is important to ensure that yours are up to date.

^ Make the lock(s) and bike hard to manoeuvre when parked by ensuring little room between the stand and the bike.

^ Do not allow your lock(s) to come into contact with the ground, where they are viewed as more vulnerable.

^ Take a photograph of your bike and record your frame number and key details. This will be crucial in recovering your bike if it is stolen.

^ Mark your frame with your postcode in two separate locations, one of which should be hidden. Attach a ^Coded Cycle^ label to reduce the risk of making your bike a target for theft.

^ Do not ride with valuables in open baskets or panniers.

^ Register your bicycle at www.bikeregister.com or www.immobilise.com


Title: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 08, 2012, 17:18:55
From the Oxford Times (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/10094408.Railway_station_gate_to_be_shut_to_stop_fare_dodgers/):

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Rail bosses are shutting the back entrance to Oxford Station to stop fare dodgers.

The gate off platform two is open during the morning and evening peak hours and leads out into Roger Dudman Way for commuters heading to and from West Oxford.

But First Great Western, which runs the station, is sealing off the exit from January 1. It estimates up to one in five passengers using it haven^t paid their fare because it does not have a ticket barrier.

First Great Western spokesman James Davis said: ^Unfortunately, as many as 20 per cent of people using this gate do so without a valid ticket or without a ticket at all, which clearly isn^t fair on the majority of customers who choose to pay the correct fare for their journey.

^To reduce ticket fraud, and ensure that those who are paying for their tickets are not subsidising those who don^t, we plan to close the platform two exit from January 1, 2013.

^Customers will still be able to access the station from the main entrance, a short walk away, and those with bikes will be able to use the customer lifts provided.

^We^re sorry for any inconvenience caused to our paying customers. We will continue to monitor the situation and keep this under review.^

Yesterday, some passengers raised concerns about extra crowding at the main exit barriers off platform one and inconvenience for people wanting to go to West Oxford and Botley.

Sally Grover, 61, from Tackley, is a library manager in Oxford and uses the station every day. She said: ^It will seriously inconvenience a large number of people, particularly those who live and work in Botley, those who carry cycles, and those who simply do not want to queue at the platform one barriers at busy times. People have to rush across the platform and bridge banging their bikes against people^s ankles.

^It happens, I use my bike and it is inevitable. A bike is an unwieldy thing to carry. We pay over the odds for our tickets and the station facilities should meet the needs of passengers, not the convenience of the station staff.^

Another rail user, who did not want to be named, added: ^I only use it if I have an off peak ticket and the trip, usually with delays, has meant I end up arriving in peak times.^

The gate is open from 6.30am to 9.30am and 5pm and 8pm on week days. Occasionally First Great Western will station staff there to check passengers^ tickets.

Mr Davis would not comment about how much it would cost to install a ticket barrier at the exit.


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: JayMac on December 08, 2012, 18:38:01
Inconvenience 4 out of 5 of the passengers who use the exit because 1 out of 5 take advantage.

Nice one FGW. Great customer service.  ::)



Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: grahame on December 08, 2012, 19:01:43
According to the plan at http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/stations/sjp/OXF/plan.html?rtnloc=OXF this gate gives access to the accessible parking.  So presumably it will become inaccessible accessible parking  ;)

I've not been round the back of Oxford station, but as I recall it's quite a long way around.   If you want to get to the accessible parking in the future when arriving from London, you'll need to go over the footbridge, out through the main building, turn right outside, go round the bike park, under the bridge, and turn right up the road the the parking.  Or have I missed something?


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 08, 2012, 20:02:00
I've not been round the back of Oxford station, but as I recall it's quite a long way around.   If you want to get to the accessible parking in the future when arriving from London, you'll need to go over the footbridge, out through the main building, turn right outside, go round the bike park, under the bridge, and turn right up the road the the parking.  Or have I missed something?

It's worth pointing out that this exit is closed for the majority of the day anyway, so it'll be no less accessible than it would be at, say, midday.  I'm not sure if there's any disabled parking on that side of the station (though as you point out is does say there is on the map), but I think there's a help point for arriving passengers to contact station staff, so that anyone with disability issues can be escorted through the gate by station staff (it works on a magnetic swipe card) as they do now 'out of hours'.

I'm not defending this decision on a customer service basis though, as it is a useful exit, and I would have thought that ramping up the number of times ticket inspections are made, to say a couple of times a week, would be a better option for everybody.  When the gates were originally installed there were inspections more often than not, but in the last year or so I can't remember a single occasion when revenue/gateline staff have been checking tickets there.


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: Electric train on December 09, 2012, 09:18:29
I'm not defending this decision on a customer service basis though, as it is a useful exit, and I would have thought that ramping up the number of times ticket inspections are made, to say a couple of times a week, would be a better option for everybody.  When the gates were originally installed there were inspections more often than not, but in the last year or so I can't remember a single occasion when revenue/gateline staff have been checking tickets there.

Given they are close to the end of the franchise I guess First don't want to invest in something they may not get a return on; it does smack of FGW taking the easiest and cheapest option by not providing RP staff at that exit when its open.


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: ray951 on December 10, 2012, 16:22:55
I don^t think it^s a good idea to close this gate as the entrance/exit on platform 1 is not very well designed and is already very busy and when this gate is closed then more bicycles/people will  need to use it and cause more and longer queues. For those not familiar with Oxford there is a set of sliding doors directly in front of the ticket gates and this causes 2 issues:
1)   There is always a long queue of people either waiting to buy tickets or with bicycles/cases/pushchairs waiting to use the wide gate that causes the entrance doors to be blocked meaning that people have to use the exit doors OR
2)   As the doors are close to the gates, the gates in the middle don^t get used as people wait to use the gates nearest the doors and again cause the doors to be blocked. This is an obvious flow issue and could be resolved by removing the doors , widening the doors or moving the gates further away from the doors.

I can understand why they would want to close the gate but why can^t they just have someone stood on this gate checking tickets and/or more people selling tickets on platform 1 , if 20% of people don^t currently have tickets then it would soon pay for itself and more.
Mind you I don^t actually believe that train companies are serious about fare evasion given the amount of times that the ticket gates are unmanned (evenings and weekends) and the number of times I have had my ticket checked on a train. They seem a bit like HMRC and only interested in  tackling the easy cases to make it look like they are doing something.


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: paul7575 on December 10, 2012, 16:25:45
From the Oxford Times (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/10094408.Railway_station_gate_to_be_shut_to_stop_fare_dodgers/):

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Another rail user, who did not want to be named, added: ^I only use it if I have an off peak ticket and the trip, usually with delays, has meant I end up arriving in peak times.^

Just noticed the above line, but that's bit of a serious misunderstanding of the implications of a delay isn't it?  By printing that without checking anything, the paper have probably just confused dozens of people...

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: IanL on December 19, 2012, 23:10:15
Noticed tonight that the poster on Oxford platform 2  advising of the forthcoming closure of the gate is no longer there, nor the laminated paper sign on the gate itself. Is this still going ahead?

The gate was wide open with no checking of tickets tonight.


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: ray951 on December 20, 2012, 10:16:17
Noticed tonight that the poster on Oxford platform 2  advising of the forthcoming closure of the gate is no longer there, nor the laminated paper sign on the gate itself. Is this still going ahead?

The gate was wide open with no checking of tickets tonight.


I agree the large signs were gone this morning but they still had some A4 size notices on the actual gate itself stating that it was going to be closed from 1st January.


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: 81F on December 20, 2012, 22:51:54
Received a message from local councillor earlier this evening {Thurs 20th] as follows:

> The official statement -- after discussions late into the night
last night:

>*We've decided in the light of customer and stakeholder feedback, and
the emergence of a number of potential alternative approaches, to defer
closure of the Oxford Platform 2 gate until further notice.
>In the meantime, we will be reviewing the usage of the gate and its
interaction with the wider station environment.  This will help inform
the decisions that we're making about access to this entrance in future.
We will also be discussing the future access to the gate with the
Department of Transport in the context of potential wider plans for the station.*


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: JayMac on December 21, 2012, 02:28:24
Well that is excellent news for the majority of honest passengers who use this access to/from the station.

FGW should now concentrate their efforts on the 1 in 5 who don't have a ticket. But only when they have had an opportunity to buy and have chosen not to.


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 21, 2012, 10:56:50
I drew the attention of certain people at First Great Western to this particular topic in an e-mail on 8 December: they haven't replied to me directly, but I do suspect that the feedback they will have gathered here, as well as elsewhere, has helped to produce this result. ;)


Title: Re: Oxford station gate to be shut to stop fare dodgers
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on December 23, 2012, 16:20:15
The Oxford Mail carries the following story:

Rail bosses halt plan to close station gate

7:00pm Saturday 22nd December 2012 in News By Katriona Ormiston

Councillor Susanna Pressel at the back gate of Oxford Rail Station Councillor Susanna Pressel at the back gate of Oxford Rail Station
RAIL bosses have reversed their decision to shut the back gate at Oxford Station after an outcry from passengers.
The Oxford Mail revealed this month that First Great Western chiefs were planning to close the entrance to stop fare dodgers.
The platform two gate, which leads out to Roger Dudman Way towards the Botley side of Oxford, is open at peak times. But plans to shut it on January 1 only became known when signs went up at the station earlier this month.
First Great Western staff estimated up to one in five passengers using the gate hadn^t paid their fare because it does not have a ticket barrier.
Commuters protested that the closure would cause even worse crowding in peak hours and bikes would have to be carried over the footbridge.
A campaign was sparked with dozens of people complaining to the station and Oxford city councillor for Jericho and Osney Ward, Susanna Pressel.
But on Wednesday, station manager Dave Martin met Cllr Pressel and regular commuter Dom Utton.
She said: ^I was all ready to be very angry. But he said straight away that they have changed their minds
^Our statement of protest and demand for a meeting put the wind up them so much that they said they are going to try to get money for two new barriers, one wider for bikes.
^d like to thank the Oxford Mail for publicising this dreadful idea and helping to get a campaign going which demonstrates the people power of the community.
^I think they were frightened of me. I can be quite frightening when I am really cross. I am not going to beat around the bush for something the people I represent want.^
Mr Utton, who commutes to London up to four days a week from Osney Island, said he wrote to First Great Western to complain about the plans.
The 40-year-old journalist, who attended Wednesday^s meeting, said: ^I think a lot of people wrote in. They hadn^t consulted anyone.
^My issue was, who are they running the station for?
^As soon as we kicked off about it, they saw sense. I go out the back way which is a lot easier. It wasn^t just commuters though. It is a drag for cyclists to haul their bike over the bridge and difficult for the elderly. The lift is just rubbish. I went along to the meeting with a whole list of questions but didn^t need them. Fair play to them though for listening.^
Spokesman for First Great Western, James Davis, refused to say how many complaints had been received, but he said: ^We^ve decided, in the light of customer and stakeholder feedback, and the emergence of a number of potential alternative approaches, to defer closure of the Oxford platform two gate until further notice.
^In the meantime, we will be reviewing the usage of the gate and its interaction with the wider station environment. This will help inform the decisions we^re making about access to this entrance in future.
^We will also be discussing the future access to the gate with the Department for Transport in the context of potential wider plans for the station.^

Comments (5)

Mr Utton sounds like he is a bit of a bully!

I don't understand this story, if one in five people get a freebie by nicking out through the back gate, and IF only a hundred people use it a day. then that is 20 people without tickets, say at an average ^15 a pop is ^300, so if they paid somebody only ^10 an hour to man it for the 6 hours it is open that is still ^240 profit a day. I'd happily stand there for that money.

This was a victory for commonsense and the Rail Passengers, and not Labour or Cllr Pressel. It's about time Oxford Cuty Councillors stopped trying to make 'political brownie points' and started tring to represent all the voters and council tax payers - the majority of whom will never vote Labour or Labour/Coop in the City, let alone County ...... but many of whom certainly do travel by train - and THAT is why First Great Western has kept the gate open for business!

Majority never vote Labour??? Remind me, who is the largest party in Oxford City Council?? Doh

surely the perfect solution is to open the gate at peak periods, with an attendant there. no one should be allowed to travel free, as that pushes fares up for everyone. maybe some of those complaining about the closure are some of those who travel for free!!!!


Title: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on January 09, 2013, 22:19:20
Vision for Oxford railway station overhaul unveiled (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/witney/9474725.Vision_for_Oxford_railway_station_overhaul_unveiled/)

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A CrossCountry train calls at one of Oxford station's two existing through platforms
THE main building at Oxford railway station could be knocked down to make way for new platforms under plans being considered by transport bosses.

The major redevelopment would see four through platforms ^ with no dead ends ^ built to solve what officials see as a major regional bottleneck.

County councillor Rodney Rose, responsible for Oxfordshire^s transport infrastructure, said the project was the only long-term solution to create enough capacity on Oxfordshire^s Rail network.


The proposal is put forward in a new county council rail strategy covering the next 22 years, which lists a station revamp by 2018 as the ^top priority^.

Under the proposal, the existing station would be demolished with trains pulling up either side of two island platforms, boosting the flow of trains.

The council^s draft Rail Strategy and Delivery Plan, to be discussed by Cabinet today, calls for a new project board to oversee the station^s re-design and link it with scheduled work to electrify the track and update signalling.

The strategy says: ^Oxford station has been identified by Network Rail as being a significant constraint on the network and is our top priority for improvement.

^Once the ^850m redevelopment of Reading station is complete, this will become the biggest single capacity bottleneck in the Thames Valley and a major barrier to rail and economic growth.^

It goes on: ^It is predicted that the number of peak services using the station is close to the maximum that can be accommodated, before any additional passenger or freight growth.^

In 2010, less ambitious plans to add an extra platform on the long stay car park were axed when County Hall lost millions of pounds of Government funding.

Network Rail is still committed to the project, and has asked for funding between 2014 and 2019.

But Mr Rose said in the longer term, the complete redesign of the station was needed.

He said: ^I still think this is something we should push for.

^Oxford is going to be the major bottleneck, and if East-West Rail goes through it will make it even worse.^

Network Rail spokesman Sam Kelly said a complete rebuild was not part of its current plans, but it would ^gladly discuss it^ with the council.

She added: ^In terms of the station itself, we will be working with First Great Western, Oxfordshire County Council and Oxford City Council to review passenger flow through the station to provide better facilities in the future.

^With regards to the railway itself, our plans over the coming years will provide the capacity need for the future.^

First Great Western would not comment on the plans, but said stakeholders and rail users should ^make their aspirations known^ ahead of its attempt to regain the franchise to run trains to London from April 2013.

Chiltern Railways has its own separate plans to build two new platforms on the old parcels platform and part of the short stay car park to serve its new Evergreen 3 link to London via Bicester.

The council^s new rail strategy includes other ambitious projects.

It says ^the time is right to look at again at the potential of a Grove & Wantage station^ and that a train service could be offered by firms competing to win the Great Western franchise in 2013.

And it commits the council to investigate reinstatement of the rail link between Oxford, Witney and Carterton, to improve connections with the west Oxfordshire towns and RAF Brize Norton.

The public will be able to have their say on the proposals in a consultation process due to start next month.

RAIL STRATEGY PRIORITIES

  • Major projects already set to go ahead include electrification, the creation of the Evergreen 3 link from Oxford to Bicester, the East-West rail link, and ^5.6m redevelopment of Didcot Parkway forecourt
  • A new masterplan for Oxford railway station, the re-development of Frideswide Square and integration of the station into the West End redevelopment
  • More parking and bus facilities proposed for Bicester Town station, with a link to Bicester North. There is potential for rail freight facility at Graven Hill, using the Bicester Military Railway network.
  • Opening a railway station near Grove and Wantage to serve Science Vale UK
  • Redesign of Banbury station forecourt
  • Improve buses from Witney to Hanborough station, and investigate long-term reinstatement of a rail link from Oxford to Witney and Carterton
  • Improve parking and public transport links to stations in the Cotswolds


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on January 09, 2013, 22:25:34
Long-awaited plans for Oxford railway station spelled out (http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/10147908._/?)

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OXFORD train station should be redeveloped on its existing site instead of being rebuilt elsewhere, bosses behind a planned revamp say.

Network Rail yesterday submitted a raft of infrastructure plans costing up to ^300m, including a new station by 2019.

Its predecessor Railtrack and Oxfordshire County Council had previously backed moving the station to a new site south of the existing station off Oxpens Road.

But Network Rail route managing director Patrick Hallgate yesterday said: ^Our preferred option is to leave it where it is. We believe there is little benefit from moving it, from a rail perspective.^

Moving the station further south would be ^prohibitively expensive^ as the land slopes downwards, he said.

Network Rail wants to add a third platform to the west of the station by the youth hostel and replace the Botley Road bridge to cater for the extra track. That will also see the road space below widened.

Mr Hallgate said passenger numbers have grown by 40 per cent in the last decade and are expected to rise another 40 per cent in the coming 10 years.

A raft of projects is set to boost Oxford^s capacity including faster, bigger electric trains, a line to Milton Keynes and a new link to London Marylebone via Bicester.

Mr Hallgate said: ^If we don^t create another platform we will struggle to meet that extra demand.^

The firm, along with council chiefs, is about to put out an invitation for station designs, which would not necessarily mean a complete rebuild.

Network Rail ^ which owns the station ^ pledged to continue having 90 per cent of trains arrive within five minutes of schedule during the work.

Mr Hallgate said the current rebuild of Reading station showed this could be done, but there would ^inevitably be trade-offs^.

Rodney Rose, deputy leader of Oxfordshire County Council, responsible for roads, ^totally agreed^ with the plans.

He said: ^I don^t see the funding being available to move it and, for a transport hub, it is better to be more central in Oxford.^

The authority is keeping an open mind on where parking and bus services would go, he said.

Oxford City Council leader Bob Price said: ^Frankly, the cost of moving it further down as people have suggested is astronomical. It is not worth the significant extra expense it would involve.^

But Oxford Civic Society chairman Peter Thompson, who has called for the station to move to land by Oxford Ice Rink, urged a rethink.

He said: ^If Network Rail are spending a huge amount of money anyway, the opportunity should be taken to provide Oxford with a properly integrated transport hub.^

OxRail passenger group spokesman Dennis Tan said of Network Rail^s plans: ^I don^t think it will go down well with a lot of commuters.

^A lot of people were expecting a brand new station. It is very crowded in peak hours.^

Network Rail^s plan has been submitted to the Office of Rail Regulation which will publish its final decision on how much funding it available in October.

PEOPLE will be able to have their say on billions of pounds of potential investment in the county^s railways tonight.
Members of the public can quiz officers from Network Rail on its five-year investment plan that will see ^9bn spent on the Great Western main line by 2019.
Network Rail plans to electrify the line and redevelop Oxford Station as well as creating a new link between the city and London Marylebone.
Yesterday these projects were confirmed as being part of the organisation^s five-year plan.
Some groups, including the Wolvercote Commoners, have expressed concern about the impact the planned schemes would have.
Commoners chairman Michael Buck said: ^We want to make sure that the development doesn^t affect the common.
The meeting is at the Town Hall in St Aldate^s, starting at 6.30pm with a presentation on the proposals.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: mjones on January 10, 2013, 09:43:13
This interested me: "Network Rail wants to add a third platform to the west of the station by the youth hostel and replace the Botley Road bridge to cater for the extra track. That will also see the road space below widened".

Highlighting the short sighted decision to allow the youth hostel to be built there in the first place...

But if the bridge can be widened at the same time that would be very helpful, providing an opportunity to provide continuous full width cycle lanes where it is currently very squeezed and a significant hazard.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: paul7575 on January 10, 2013, 10:06:53
It always seemed to me that the pretty vocal lobby that wanted to move lock stock and barrel down to Oxpens (by the ice rink) were looking at the problem purely from the perspective of commuting towards London.  The site was pretty much useless once you added in Chiltern's known plans, the possibility of E/W rail, existing XC and freight to the Midlands, and the Cotswolds services, most of which seems to add up to a conventional through station on a straightforward north/south alignment.

Regarding the bridge being 'widened' though, IIRC NR used the term 'widening' for the work at Caversham and Vastern Rd bridges in Reading.  This then appeared to mislead a few into thinking the widening would apply to the roads, but in hindsight they actually just meant the width available for the railway...

Paul   


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on January 11, 2013, 22:28:00
Architects vie to put train station on map (http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/10155192._/?) This is Oxfordshire

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10:30am Friday 11th January 2013 in News By Katriona Ormiston

Buy this photo ^ Chris Aldridge, NetWork Rail's principal strategic planner, talks to a packed public meeting in the Long Room at the Town Hall
ARCHITECTS are set to design the revamp of Oxford railway station.

Plans to appoint an architect to redesign the station have been agreed by Oxford City Council and Network Rail.

Councillor Jean Fooks said a competition was being run by the Royal Institute of British Architects for the best design for the station.

She said: ^It is very exciting there will be an architect to design the station. That doesn^t happen to stations generally so it^s great news.

^The plans for the railway in Oxford look really good, but clearly you have to look at the effects of increasing traffic on people who live nearby.^


The masterplan for Oxford^s rail future was greeted with enthusiasm by residents at a meeting on Wednesday.

More than 100 people packed into a crowded room at Oxford Town Hall to hear the proposals.

Network Rail principal strategic planner for the western region, Chris Aldridge, said plans were to make Oxford a central hub for the UK^s railways.

He said: ^It is a great opportunity to develop Oxford. I think the city has a great rail future and we will be working closely both with Oxford City Council and Oxfordshire County Council to make it happen.

^We will be developing it to work as a hub for trains to run across the UK. So far, Oxford has been a terminating point but this will change that.^

Mr Aldridge said plans were to build another platform at the station and extra tracks.

That will double the number of trains which run through Oxfordshire at the moment.

Adrian James, 50, from Osney, said: ^I live near the station and use it. Oxford is a world-class city so it is brilliant we are now going to get our world-class station.

^Everyone in the world knows Oxford and they arrive at that station, and my god what they must think of it at the moment. People in Botley need to feel better connected, too.^

The ^70m development proposed for the county is part of the countrywide ^300m plan by Network Rail announced on Tuesday. At the moment there are 11 trains per hour running through Oxford.

In 2019 that number is set to double to 22 in total.

But people who live near the railway lines said the plans to double the number of trains filled them with dread.

Keith Dancy, from St Peters Road in Wolvercote, said: ^My pictures fall off the walls when a train goes past, the vibrations are so bad.

^My neighbour even thought she was having a heart attack when the freight trains went past she was shaking so much, so it is not good news for us.^

Mr Aldridge said he did not know what kind of mitigation people who live near the rail lines might receive but Network Rail would look into it.

Extra track lines at Oxford station will also mean freight trains can pass through the central tracks between platforms at the station while passenger trains load and unload.

The Royal Institute of British Architects was unavailable for comment.



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Extra track lines at Oxford station will also mean freight trains can pass through the central tracks between platforms at the station while passenger trains load and unload.

One commentator has pointed out that the author had obviously never been to the station as they can do this now.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: paul7575 on January 12, 2013, 00:01:16
"Oxford has been a terminating point..."   ???

If only there were through trains to Scotland...

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: Puffing Billy on January 13, 2013, 20:56:44
Just wondering, but would it be at all feasible to extend the existing platforms northward and have crossovers at the mid-way point to achieve the same flexibility as parallel platforms? I can see that it would involve a lot of signalling and fancy pointwork, not to mention at least partial relocation of the carriage/servicing sidings, but on the other hand it could avoid having to extend the current railway boundaries and virtually rebuild the main buildings.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 13, 2013, 21:11:03
Thanks for posting, Puffing Billy - and welcome to the Coffee Shop forum!  :)

I have no answer to your suggestion, as I'm not an Oxford expert - but I'm sure you will have some responses from our erudite members shortly!


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: 81F on January 14, 2013, 22:43:07
Just wondering, but would it be at all feasible to extend the existing platforms northward and have crossovers at the mid-way point to achieve the same flexibility as parallel platforms? I can see that it would involve a lot of signalling and fancy pointwork, not to mention at least partial relocation of the carriage/servicing sidings, but on the other hand it could avoid having to extend the current railway boundaries and virtually rebuild the main buildings.

When I first came to Oxford in 1964 there were diamond crossovers between through and platform lines halfway down each platform. Ex-area manager David Mather led a walk around the railway lands of Oxford last September (part of the "Open Doors" weekend) and I asked him whether this might be a way of handling more trains through Oxford station. He reckoned not, and was in favour of a new station south of Botley Road with tracks re-aligned through the car park.
Only last week [9 Jan 2013] there was a public meeting at Oxford Town Hall where NR revealed their plans for increasing capacity, basically involving turning the down platform into an island (on the present site).
I have a file of NRs powerpoint presentation showing how they propose to deal with traffic growth.   It includes, inter much alia, their plans for the new station layout. I don't know how to post it to this newsgroup, but if anyone is keen to see it, please send a personal message with email address and I'll send it to you attached to an email.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: paul7575 on January 15, 2013, 13:51:35

Only last week [9 Jan 2013] there was a public meeting at Oxford Town Hall where NR revealed their plans for increasing capacity, basically involving turning the down platform into an island (on the present site).


I think a couple of us discussed this possibility in one of the previous threads about Oxford station a year or so back.  In the 2011 GWML RUS they were proposing turning both sides into islands, and that looked incredibly difficult to achieve, given the layout of the main station buildings, and Chiltern's plans for the Marylebone bays etc.

I for one thought that a through line behind the down platform would give them much of the operational flexibility required, as trains from the south could terminate and head back towards Didcot from the current down platform, without conflicting at all with other down through trains that would pass through on the new platform.  The addition of the up side bay alongside the car park provides another option for terminating trains from the south of course, presumably this may still happen as well.

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 15, 2013, 17:32:16
Yes, that looks like the favoured layout at the moment.  Space constraints mean that it'll be a very tight squeeze, especially (and assuming) given that platform lengths will need to be at least 270 metres to be able to accommodate 10-Car Bi-mode IEP's.  Currently platforms 1 and 2 are 275 metres long, so are just about OK, but it's clear to see why the Botley Road bridge will need widening in order to give room for the new track.

Buildings wise it works quite well given how tight the space is.  Just south of Botley Road is railway land and buildings (the former Railway Club and also some Permanent Way accommodation), which can easily be demolished to allow the track for the new platform to fit in, and with the panel box building becoming redundant in a couple of years, some offices and buildings on platform 2 will need to go, but can easily be built elsewhere.  Crucially there should still be just about be enough room to squeeze in Roger Dudman Way, the access road to the ever growing housing and student accommodation on the site of the GWR Locomotive Yard.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: mjones on January 15, 2013, 19:43:08
And the Youth Hostel...?


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 15, 2013, 19:46:24
It's tight, but as long as that end of the platform was quite thin, I think it wouldn't be in the way - though they might have to lose a bit of their garden!


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: mjones on January 15, 2013, 21:39:33
Yes, you are (of course!) right- I had in mind that it was right next to the platform buildings but I've just had a wander around there on Google Streetview and there is more space behind than I'd realised.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 16, 2013, 12:31:10
Using Google streetview you can also see what an odd road Roger Dudman Way is.  Set to become twice as busy later this year with two new housing developments nearing completion.  I could see the parking spaces being removed and along with removal of the Panel Box building and other signalling related structures further down, there would probably be room for a new track along the existing side of Platform 2 and an improved 'proper' road access.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: paul7575 on January 16, 2013, 17:31:10
The biggest issues would seem to be at the north end, crossing the Sheepwash Channel.   It looks from Google as though the four tracks spread out in width to match the individual bridge positions, (compared to the Botley Rd end of the station it's about twice the width) with the road in question taking the westernmost span.  In hindsight, that doesn't seem to have been such a good idea...

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on January 16, 2013, 22:32:55
The biggest issues would seem to be at the north end, crossing the Sheepwash Channel.   It looks from Google as though the four tracks spread out in width to match the individual bridge positions, (compared to the Botley Rd end of the station it's about twice the width) with the road in question taking the westernmost span.  In hindsight, that doesn't seem to have been such a good idea...

Paul

Yes but I thought that leaving room for Roger Dudman Way to cross the Sheepwash channel would be a problem, now you point it out a new single bridge deck would allow the tracks to be moved nearer (and also the platform ends leaving room for the extra tracks and the island platforms, while still leaving room for the bay for evergreen 3. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 04, 2013, 10:57:45
I've chanced across some quite detailed diagrams of current Network Rail plans for Oxford, which are in slightly more advanced stages than I've seen before.

Lines marked in black are unchanged.
Lines marked in red are new sections of track.
Lines marked in green are sections of track to be removed.

The first one is an overview of the Oxford area.  It shows that current thinking is for Bi-Di signalling on both the up and down main lines along with the up passenger loop and an extended down passenger loop as far as just before Wolvercote Junction.  Linespeeds on the loops are to be improved massively with the up loop going from 25mph to 75/90mph!

It also shows a re-laid Oxford North Junction for East-West Rail with the current single lead 25mph junction being replaced with a double 50mph junction.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8464/8443348777_c012c02659_c.jpg)



The second one shows the station area itself in more detail.  Things to note include the new platform at the back of the current platform 2, with both of those platforms gaining signals so that trains can depart back to London from them.  Both bridges at the end of the platforms would be replaced/widened with the line leading to the new through platform meaning the removal of the two 'West Midland' sidings immediately south of the station.

The sidings on both sides are altered to mostly provide for 260m long trains (10-Car IEP length) and this is achieved by moving the access route into the down sidings closer to the station for two of the three roads which would then not be able to access the current up platform, though with two other London platforms available that would not be a problem.  The up sidings would be extended by removing the headshunt at the Banbury end and making four long sidings using space created at that end.

It appears, from the diagram, that the London end bay platform idea isn't included, although passive provision for a fourth through platform linking through to the current platform 3 would be - though that would mean knocking down the concourse!

The other major alteration is for the Evergreen 3 service, which it appears would only use one additional platform (and could also use the current bay platform), and would have no dedicated line to Oxford North Junction but would instead share the main or loop lines that other services would use.

I must stress that these are only provisional plans, and there may be other plans that are totally different, but just as likely to see the light of day.  But it's interesting to get a glimpse of what the current thinking is, and if these improvements were to be made there would be a huge leap in flexibility at Oxford.

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8499/8444440266_e5fde3277e_c.jpg)


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on February 05, 2013, 18:33:09
Thank you II for that, track diagrams are always very interesting (well I think so). I know one can always think of bells and whistles to add, but it would add flexibility if the down passenger loop were extended to run past Wolvercote Junction into the Cotswold line, so that (for example) up Cotswold line trains could acccess P4 and P5 independently of the UM and DM.  As far as I can recall there are no physical barriers eg overbridges in the way. 



Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 06, 2013, 00:36:14
I agree with the extending of the down loop, but there would need to be an additional bridge span over Duke's Lock just before the junction, and a couple of lineside buildings would need moving.  Quite possibly that will be worth the investment if and when Wolvercote Junction to Charlbury section is re-doubled as the whole junction would need changing then?


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: bobm on February 06, 2013, 10:04:20
track diagrams are always very interesting (well I think so)

Totally agree - I still regularly refer to my ageing copy of the Thames Valley Trackplans produced internally by Network Rail even though it is getting woefully out of date in the Reading area!


Title: Re: Tree felling by Network Rail in Oxford halted by the local sheriff
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 08, 2013, 22:11:03
From This is Oxfordshire (http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/10211103._/?):

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Sadness as Wolvercote trees go to improve rail links

(http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/resources/images/2324653.jpg?type=articleLandscape)

Villagers who look after protected common land say it is a ^great shame^ that trees alongside have been felled so a railway line can be reopened.

The tree clearance work along the railway line by Wolvercote Common will allow Network Rail to reinstate the disused freight line that runs north from Oxford station, parallel to Port Meadow and the common. The work to clear vegetation was stopped by Oxford City Council last year following complaints that it could affect nesting birds.

Wolvercote Commoners chairman Michael Buck said: ^It is a great shame. I understand it is necessary because they do need the extra line.^

The group is planning to plant trees to shield the view of the railway line, but discussions are still under way.

A Network Rail spokesman said: ^This scheme is a key part of our plans to improve freight capacity on the railway ^ the greenest and most efficient method of transporting goods. Bringing this disused line back means we can run freight and passenger services on separate lines, helping to reduce disruption and making the railway more reliable.^


Title: Oxford station users get tips on beating bike thieves (Oxford Mail 12/03/2013)
Post by: JayMac on March 12, 2013, 23:26:28
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10281786.Oxford_station_users_get_tips_on_beating_bike_thieves/):

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(http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/resources/images/2364220.jpg?type=articleLandscape)
Sgt Stephen Reay with bike owner Georgia Cole

Efforts to cut bicycle thefts at Oxford railway station continued last week with a cycle surgery.

British Transport Police (BTP) officers offered safety advice and tagged bikes at the station on Wednesday following a recent spate of thefts.

The unique branding makes bicycles easier to identify in cases of theft.

Sgt Stephen Reay, from BTP^s team based at Oxford station ^ pictured with bike owner Georgia Cole ^ said: ^In January we only received one report of a bike being stolen from the station but in February we had three.

^Officers have been carrying out hard work to crack down on cycle theft.

^Patrols have been stepped up and we regularly speak to commuters, giving out crime prevention advice to cyclists on how to avoid becoming a victim of theft.

^Events like this are always popular among commuters and we hope to hold another at the station in the near future.^


Title: Re: Oxford station users get tips on beating bike thieves (Oxford Mail 12/03/2013)
Post by: swrural on March 13, 2013, 12:35:33
I was surprised at this.  I would have thought Oxford was the Amsterdam of urban nous where cycling security was concerned.  I lost three bikes in AMS but we used to buy them for ^50 each in those days from the junkies, who of course stole them in the first place.   :-[


Title: Re: Oxford railway bridge work begins
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 31, 2013, 21:27:18
A further, geographically related, update from the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10309109._/?):

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Rail bosses to bridge the gap between South Hinksey and Oxford

A bridge for pedestrians linking South Hinksey and Oxford will not be demolished without a replacement, Network Rail has pledged. The rail company has promised not to demolish Hinksey Bridge without constructing a replacement after a planning row forced it to think again about providing disabled ramps.

The company wants to build the new bridge connecting South Hinksey and Oxford because the current one is too low for the overhead wires which need to be installed as part of the electrification of the line.

Plans for the replacement bridge were thrown out by Oxford City Council because the designs did not include any ramps for the disabled and those with pushchairs. City council officers warned that Network Rail could appeal the decision and after the meeting a spokesman said the company was considering ^all options^.

But Network Rail spokesman Sam Kelly has said the company will not demolish the bridge without a replacement, despite the fact that the company can do so without seeking planning approval. The company says it has only been given the funding for a like-for-like replacement of the bridge and that disabled ramps could, in theory, be added at a later date.

Under the Oxford and Rugby Railways Act 1845, Network Rail does not have to seek planning permission to replace Hinksey Bridge, but merely needs ^prior approval^. Prior approval is decided on narrower grounds than a normal planning application. These grounds are that the development ought to be and could be reasonably carried out elsewhere and that the design of the bridge would ^injure the amenity of the neighbourhood^ and could be modified to avoid such injury.

South Hinksey resident Peter Rawcliffe, who has been campaigning for ramps on the new bridge, said: ^I am pleased Network Rail has given the undertaking not to simply demolish the bridge.^

City councillor John Tanner, who was on the planning committee which refused the prior approval, said: ^I am very pleased Network Rail has said this. It would be outrageous if they were to knock the bridge down without replacing it. Lets hope this is the first step towards getting a modern bridge with access for wheelchairs and prams.

^Network Rail needs the cooperation of the city council to electrify the rail line and we all want to see that happen, but it is daft to put up a new bridge which is a replica from the 1940s.^


Title: New shelters at Oxford
Post by: IanL on April 04, 2013, 19:24:18
Having spent a fair fraction of the evenings for the last 12 years waiting on the exposed platform 2 at Oxford glad to see finally something is being done about it. A new waiting shelter has appeared together with additional seats and by there markings on the tarmac, a second new shelter is planned. That will make a grand total  three shelters and many more seats along P2 beyond the footbridge and station canopy where standard class passengers have to wait for HST length trains (unless it is in reverse formation).


Title: Re: New shelters at Oxford
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 04, 2013, 22:14:52
Hopefully as part of the enhancements planned, when the extra through platform is built, the canopy will extend much further down the platform than it does now.


Title: Re: New shelters at Oxford
Post by: lordgoata on April 05, 2013, 10:03:49
There is also a new shelter at Maidenhead, and at Twyford.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: Oxman on April 22, 2013, 15:57:02
Network Rail press release announces appointment of "master planners" to develop options for the station and its environs.

http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/News-Releases/7439/Masterplanners-appointed-for-the-proposed-redevelopment-of-Oxford-station

Interestingly, a joint project with the County and City Councils.

"Aedas will look at the wider station area including the forecourt and transport interchange, Becket Street car park, Roger Dudman Way and the Botley Road bridge area. They will also consider how proposed options would link in with the county council's Frideswide Square development."



Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on October 31, 2013, 07:41:05
The ORR final determination for PR13 (http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/pr13/PDF/pr13-final-determination.pdf) Page 918 includes funding for:

"Oxford station area capacity and enlargement"


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: DidcotPunter on November 05, 2013, 15:40:48
The ORR final determination for PR13 (http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/pr13/PDF/pr13-final-determination.pdf) Page 918 includes funding for:

"Oxford station area capacity and enlargement"


Some more detail on thisisoxfordshire

http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/10784375.It_s_full_steam_ahead_for___70m_revamp_of_Oxford_rail_station/

 THE ^70m transformation of Oxford railway station will now go ahead after Government officials finally approved the plan.

The scheme, which has been in the pipeline for years in an effort to free up the bottlenecked route, has now been given permission by the Office of Rail Regulation (ORR).

It will see the Botley Road bridge replaced and an extra platform built to accommodate more services using the new link to London Marylebone and Milton Keynes via Bicester.

The ^500m East West Rail project, which will connect Reading to Bedford via Oxford, has also been approved by the ORR as part of the same list of projects the regulator said Network Rail must deliver in the next five years.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IanL on November 07, 2013, 21:09:19
I hope they do something about the narrow platforms where they pass the lifts and stairs to the bridge, too often I see an entire High Speed Train (HST) of passengers trying to pass this narrow section on the way to the exit, when the dispatch team are also yelling to stay behind the yellow line so they can see to get the train to clear the platform it just makes matters worse.


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on February 01, 2014, 14:06:15
Some further news last month in the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/10913925.It___s_all_change_again_at_Oxford_railway_station/)

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It^s all change again at Oxford railway station

PLANS for the multi-million pound redevelopment of Oxford^s railway station are set to be unveiled early this year.

This will bring to an end months of discussion over the future of the site off Frideswide Square which some hope will see it become an integrated ^transport hub^.

Since early last year, Oxford City Council, Oxfordshire County Council and Network Rail have been working together to draw up a masterplan for the station and the surrounding area.

The new station will include extra platforms to accommodate extra services using the planned new links to London Marylebone and Milton Keynes via Bicester, in conjunction with the electrification and resignalling of the Oxford to London route via Didcot.

These projects are due to be operating by 2017.

A number of potential uses are being considered as part of the ^70m redevelopment ^ including a new bus station ^ but there are plenty of different ideas about what should actually become reality.

In April First Great Western said it would be supportive of anything which came out of the masterplan which made sure there were integrated transport links, while Network Rail appeared cooler on the issue.

Network Rail spokesman Dayle Sellars said the aspiration to create a ^transport hub^ would be wrapped up in the masterplan due to released soon.

County councillor Rodney Rose, deputy leader of transport authority Oxfordshire County Council, said: ^My priority for the site is that people can get on and off trains, that they have somewhere to park their cars and bicycles and somewhere to catch the bus. Beyond that I am not so worried.

^We do need a proper hotel there but we need to be careful that we don^t build the site up so much that you cannot get bus, taxi or car infrastructure in there.^

Figures from the Office for Rail Regulation show that 6,227,018 used the station in 2011-2012 compared with 3,064,362 in 1997-1998 ^ a rise of 103 per cent.

Proposals to create an integrated transport hub in Oxford date back to the late 1940s, when the Great Western and London Midland & Scottish railways proposed a rebuilt station with a bus station alongside on land now occupied by Oxford University^s Said Business School, which was then the site of the LMS^s Rewley Road station.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ellendune on March 31, 2014, 23:26:24
More news in Network Rail's delivery plan http://www.networkrail.co.uk/cp5-delivery-plan/cp5-enhancements-delivery-plan.pdf
 (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/cp5-delivery-plan/cp5-enhancements-delivery-plan.pdf)

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Oxford Corridor Capacity Improvements

Scope of works
 Improvements to line speeds.
 Improved operational flexibility.
 Bi-directional signalling between Didcot North and Aynho Junction.
 Revised Oxford station platform arrangements.
 Enhancement to the Botley Road bridge.
 Track and signalling enhancement to improve capacity.

Phase 1: enables Chiltern Rail services to commence from London Marylebone to Oxford
from March 2016 as part of the East West Rail scheme, through existing bay platform
enhancement. This will include some reconfiguration to the track layout and sidings to
provide additional operational capacity, capability and flexibility through the station. This
further compliments the concurrent electrification of the railway south of Oxford by Great
Western electrification.

Phase 2: provides additional through platform capacity and line speed improvements to
enable an enhanced timetable to operate electric trains and provides additional East West
Rail services from Milton Keynes or Bedford. This also supports Oxford City Council^s
aspirations to improve the highway through the Botley Road Bridge.


It says Phase 1 complete by December 2016 and Phase 2 by December 2018


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ChrisB on April 09, 2014, 10:02:19
Attended a presentation by two Network Rail guys last night put on by the local branch of IMechE....we got Richard McCulloch -Principal Sponsor for the Intercity Express Programme (IEP) & Electrification project plus Ben Stevens, sponsor for the Oxford Resignalling project....

Some notes....

Intercity Express Programme (IEP) trains testing on ECML Feb15, GWML (RDG-DID) Aug/Sep15
Class 800 will be bi-mode units, Class 801 all-electric units - according to Richard, the DfT *still* haven't firmed up the mix!
Pantographs can be raised / lowered while at speed

Electrification - RDG-DID in time for the testing above
Remaining track to OXF/BSK (EMUs to run)/Newbury & BPW Dec16
BPW/Bath & BTM May17
Cardiff Dec17
Swansea May18
164 structures in total (bridges/tunnels/station awnings) need clearance work

Oxford resignalling Stage 1 complete by Dec16, then transferred to Didcot signalling centre by Mar17
Stage 2 (E/West Rail Oxford North junction doubled too) complete Dec18
This includes extra through Down platform (so an island platform)
Platform renumbering (from the East, so Up through platform =3, down throughs = 4&5
Current platform 3 to 6car length, new platform 4 (Chiltern) only 5car (will be plat 1&2 after renumbering)
New Botley Road Bridge with 4.8m height clearance from road, with 3 lane road plus a cycle lane and footway both sides of road!

I'll copy the Intercity Express Programme (IEP)/electrification info to the appropriate thread
Passive provision for South Bay platform on the Up side
New station Masterplan going out to competition amongst architects


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 09, 2014, 13:28:26
Thanks for posting those details, Chris.  My diagrams further up the page remain pretty accurate.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ChrisB on April 09, 2014, 14:49:12
Yes, I didn't note any changes


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: Class 50 on April 26, 2014, 23:07:20
 Please note the presentation below at , Railfuture (Thames Valley AGM ) , all very welcome, it should give a very good update of what is being planned at Oxford.
It's about 10 mins walk from Station .
7pm on Wednesday
7th May 2014 at The King's Centre, Osney Mead, Oxford, OX2 0ES
 
Speaker
 
Mike Hogg of First Group.
 
^Oxford^s railway ^ getting ready for its new role^.
 


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: FremlinsMan on April 27, 2014, 19:50:07
Cool. Do you need to be a member of RailFuture to attend?


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ChrisB on April 28, 2014, 10:19:58
No you don't!

AGM business to start at 7pm, so Mike Hogg will hopefully be on his feet by 7.20 till 9ish. I've seen his presentation already & good it is.

All welcome. (from one of the organisers)


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: FremlinsMan on May 02, 2014, 21:36:06
Were there any surprises in the presentation by Mike Hogg?


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ChrisB on May 02, 2014, 21:43:49
Depends what you already know, I guess :-)....the meeting is on the 7th, but I've heard it elsewhere. Worth coming, if you have an interest!


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 27, 2014, 22:15:58
Seems to be taking a little longer to work out a plan that all the stakeholders are happy with:

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/11236584._/ (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/11236584._/)

Not too surprising really I suppose, though I'm not sure how Chiltern's plans to restore services to Oxford will fit in if the new infrastructure is not finished?  A delay beyond spring 2016? 

Meanwhile, work continues on the reinstatement of the down loop line between Oxford North Junction and Wolvercote Junction.  Special attention is being given to drainage as the whole area is very close to the large flood plain that is Port Meadow, and the heavy rain at the turn of the year will have given engineers a vivid idea of how the area floods.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: ChrisB on May 28, 2014, 09:23:07
No delay, just politicians pontificating....coz they know they need to put money into their grandiose scheme & they haven't got any/much & they worry what their taxpayers will say while cuts are made elsewhere....

FGW comment...
Quote
My comment at the end is the position as far as we are concerned. The 'just a booking office' words are unrecognised from the dealings we have had and in fact the multi-party Oxford Project Board is tomorrow [today] where I'm sure clarity will be achieved.

I wouldn't worry about the item in the press - all part of the pre-amble to a decent project in my view.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Redevelopment
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 28, 2014, 11:45:14
No delay.. yet.  And, of course, I hope there won't be.  Indeed, no real work can commence until the Oxford Panel Box is transferred to Didcot (presumably that won't be delayed as Swindon Panel's transfer is), but timescales are still pretty tight...


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on July 24, 2014, 15:00:47
Haven't seen the actual plans but details of the new Oxford station are apparently due to be announced today.
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/top_news/11361473.City_gets___75m_bus_and_rail_gateway/?ref=mac (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/top_news/11361473.City_gets___75m_bus_and_rail_gateway/?ref=mac)
Although I hope that isn't correct but it seems to suggest there will only be 3 platforms.
Although presumably they will also be split into A and B and also bi-directional.
Will the start of the Oxford - Marylebone services be delayed as they are due to run from land that now appears to be targeted for development and no mention of where the car park will be.

it would also explain why there have been several groups of people using pile drivers to I assume take soil samples around the car park and station area for the last couple of days.



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on July 24, 2014, 17:28:20
There's a video within that link which suggests that there will be 3 THROUGH platforms (ie additional to the north-facing bays).  Also, the youth hostel will be demolished to make way for the new through platform and some new development outside the station.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stebbo on July 24, 2014, 18:48:30
There's a news article with outline picture on the BBC Local News website - not that informative.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on July 24, 2014, 20:56:28
Must say it looks impressive from the video. But it is always a case of jam tomorrow as it won't be completed for 4 years assuming it is finished on time.
I wont be holding my breath given how long it is has taken to complete just the car park/bus stops at Didcot Parkway.

A masterplan can be found here http://www.oxford.gov.uk/PageRender/decN/newsarticle.htm?newsarticle_itemid=54987 (http://www.oxford.gov.uk/PageRender/decN/newsarticle.htm?newsarticle_itemid=54987)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 25, 2014, 09:41:12
I thought I heard that the additional fourth Up platform was being passively provisioned for in this build & would go in at a later date. Hence most the station being on an upper level?....


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 25, 2014, 10:05:34
The picture in the masterplan news piece shows four through platforms, while the fly-through video didn't (at least not clearly). However, both are artists' impressions, presumably based on engineering plans which we haven't seen. I guess they will be produced for planning.

Note that if you count platforms, and include the "parcels platform", the up through platform is being lengthened, not added to the total. On that basis only the down through is an extra platform.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on July 25, 2014, 15:12:48
The 'third through platform' (i.e. rather than four) shouldn't be a surprise, it has been a fairly consistent factor, especially if you go back to the track diagrams posted by IndustryInsider in early 2013 (on the previous page of this thread).

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Btline on July 25, 2014, 18:05:16
Oxford station either needs:

*4 through platforms, plus 2 bays for Chiltern.

Add central turnback sidings to the North of the station and a terminating fast or slow from London can tip out and then go up to reverse (whilst not delaying XC or East West services who can use the adjacent platform)

Or:

*2 through platforms, 2 central terminating platforms, plus 2 bays for Chiltern. So terminating trains do not hold up a following through service.

Of course, the central terminating platforms will be so long they might as well be through!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on July 25, 2014, 18:09:59
There won't be as many terminating trains as now if they join EWR services with existing FGW terminating services across Oxford (as planned).   It is quite possible that with through trains using the new west side loop platform the existing down platform will be able to deal with reversals OK.  Hasn't this been discussed earlier in the thread?

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 25, 2014, 19:43:58
I wonder - that "masterplan" diagram should reflect a plan of the structure and track that was given to the arstist(s).

What it shows is both platforms extended over Botley Road, and in both cases there's a track (and presumably platform face) on the outer side too. Both also have a hole in them over the bridge, the significance of which is that there has to be a separate single-track bridge each side of the main bridge, and the platform doesn't fully span the gap across the bridge. (No, I don't understand why either.) 

There is also a separate platform for the short track to the east.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 26, 2014, 12:11:19
Certainly a far more ambitious project that I would have expected a couple of years ago when the redevelopment was first announced.  A mini-Reading in many ways with a similar style 'transfer deck' and areas formerly used for buses being turned into public squares at the front of the station, and a new proper west end entrance is added.  The extra through platform being confirmed is excellent news and it appears the ambition to extend the current Platform 3 (and the new Chiltern bay platform) will be realised following the demolition of the current concourse.  I'm assuming that all three through platforms will be bi-directional as per previous plans.

On the west side of the station, Roger Dudman Way, the strangest street I know, getting spliced into Cripley Road is a good idea as that creates room for all the new staff buildings and western entrance.  In some ways it's a shame the Youth Hostel has to go as it was only built 20 years ago - it's not clear, but perhaps it will be rebuilt into one of the three commercial development blocks in the masterplan diagram?

The bus interchange on Becket Street taking up part of the current car park is an interesting idea, though it's not clear how many buses that currently use Gloucester Green will migrate to this new facility - it should be remembered that the Railway Station is not situated in the City Centre, so some routes might be better off avoiding the station and serving the city instead.  As usual the CGI video has a very sparse number of buses, cars and pedestrians compared with what will eventually be the reality!

The extra level on top of the transfer deck will be the first thing to go if money needs to be saved I'd have thought.  Let's hope that this ambitious plan goes through all the various hurdles quickly and gets built as soon as possible.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on July 26, 2014, 12:25:34
I agree with II in general. However I do not think the promotors would describe the existing presentation as a "master plan". It is, I believe, their ideas of what the final project should look like and include. Looking at the internet presentation, it left a lot of question marks in my mind and I therefore hope to attend one of the consulation meeings to be held next Friday and Saturday at the Westgate shopping centre where I hope a little more detail may be available.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 26, 2014, 15:04:12
I think it's an exhibition & Q&A with staff rather than a meeting as such, and hopefully more detail....

It is a consultation, so things I'm sure can & will change. The YHA is under compulsory purchase, so they will need to be found a home or it'll cost a lot of money that could otherwise be spent on the scheme.


Title: Oxford rail station falls silent in tribute to employee Steve Cross, 38
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 15, 2015, 21:23:56
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/11724512.Oxford_rail_station_falls_silent_in_tribute_to_employee_Steve_Cross__38/):

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Oxford rail station falls silent in tribute to employee Steve Cross, 38

(http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/resources/images/3480701.jpg?htype=379&display=1&type=mc2)
Steve Cross

Oxford's railway station was brought to an emotional standstill yesterday as staff, family and passengers remembered a ^top bloke^.

Father-of-two Steve Cross, 38, from Cowley, who worked on ticket barriers at the station for eight years, died of a suspected heart attack at his home on Saturday.

Rail staff, British Transport Police officers and passengers observed a minute^s silence as the station came to a standstill at 11am yesterday.

Mr Cross^s family including his two daughters, Sophie 11, and Amy, 8 and his mother Deborah Kingsman, crowded around tributes by the barriers left in his memory.

(http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/resources/images/3480707.jpg?type=articleLandscape)
Colleagues congregate at Oxford railway station yesterday to remember Steve Cross

Duty station manager Kevin Knight said: ^He was a top, top bloke. We will miss him so much. It won^t be the same at this station. He was a real joker and a genuine good friend. He loved his football and his takeaways but his two girls were all he ever mentioned. We were out with him on Friday night for a colleague^s leaving do and to wake up seven or eight hours later to that call was absolutely devastating. The small consolation is that he spent his last few hours with his closest mates.^

Mark Cooper, 38, from Cowley, was Steve^s best friend of 26 years. He said: ^He was loved in every circle he was in. We did everything together, he always said me and my brothers were the brothers he never had. I was at his house two days before. It^s horrible.^

(http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/resources/images/3480711.jpg?type=articleLandscape)
Tributes left at the station

Candles and flowers were laid out on the floor and his coat was hung up with hundreds of tributes messages pinned to it.

The 38-year-old joined the staff at Oxford station in 2006 and had just started his ninth year as part of the team.

Simon Holden, First Great Western service delivery manager and a close friend, said: ^It^s left a huge gap in this station, it^s left a hole we will never be able to fill. Passengers loved him as well as the staff and I^ve even had emails from directors of other rail companies expressing their sadness. This station is like a family and I^m overwhelmed by the kindness of the people here today.^

Kate Olma, was trained by Steve on the gate before moving on to Didcot Parkway six months ago. She said: ^I feel very sad for his girls, Steve was an awesome person. He was the first person who trained me and he gave me his experience. I^m happy I worked with him, he was really generous and kind and always open and honest. The whole station and everyone who worked with him is heartbroken.^

(http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/resources/images/3480712.jpg?type=articleLandscape)
Oxford railway station comes to a standstill yesterday as staff, family and passengers remembered Steve Cross, who worked on the ticket barriers at the station but died of a suspected heart attack on Saturday

The service information screen at the station, which sees six million people through its gates every year, was filled with a picture of Steve and a statement on behalf of the team. It read: ^Steve was a founding member of the gate line team and has been a tower of strength to all colleagues for the past eight years. His ready smile and banter proved to be a morale booster on numerous occasions. When the going got tough Steve was there.^

Mr Cross^s family thanked First Great Western and those who turned out to pay their respects for the marvellous support.

May I offer our condolences to the family, friends and colleagues of Steve Cross, from the Coffee Shop forum.  Chris from Nailsea.  :(


Title: Re: Oxford rail station falls silent in tribute to employee Steve Cross, 38
Post by: Western Pathfinder on January 15, 2015, 22:07:18
+1 RIP Steve Cross.


Title: Oxford train station to get multi-million pound expansion - Oxford Mail 02/02/15
Post by: JayMac on February 02, 2015, 18:02:36
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/11764291._/?):

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A MULTI-MILLION-POUND expansion of Oxford station is planned in order to create a rail link to challenge the A34.

Network Rail has submitted plans to Oxford City Council that would see longer platforms built to allow Chiltern Railways^ extended trains to stop there.

It is forecast that 3.3 million more passengers will pass through the station each year by 2026 compared to 2011.

The Chiltern trains would have nine carriages instead of four to cope with the extra demand, and would run from Bicester, Banbury and the new Oxford Parkway station in Water Eaton to London Marylebone.

The extended platforms at Oxford would allow the new extended trains to stop there and create a direct link from Didcot to Bicester.

City council leader Bob Price said: ^We are extremely happy at the way in which railway improvements will make it easier to get to London and the way in which they put Oxford at the centre of the rail network. I think it will have some effect on congestion and we certainly welcome that. It will ease pressure on Woodstock Road, Banbury Road and so on. Rail investment is really important for tourism and for the business economy because all the research shows that railways are vital in improving the attractiveness of Oxford."

Network Rail would not reveal the cost of the expansion project but a similar scheme approved in October 2010 but never implemented would have cost about ^12.5 million.

The company^s planning statement for the scheme said: ^East West Rail [a wider project to link East and South West England] will enable half a million new rail trips, and provide a direct Didcot-Oxford-Bicester link to rival the A34.^

Rail user^s group Railfuture, which campaigns for better train services, said the scheme would not just benefit people who use trains regularly.

Thames Valley representative Andrew McCallum, from Banbury, said: ^I would like to see the dominance of the A34 challenged. The congestion is getting chronic and something needs to be done. This is not the whole solution but it is a big part of it. The trains could keep going down to Didcot and even the South Coast. It will benefit those who use the train, those who will still have to use the roads and those who currently use the roads but will be able to take the train.^

The project would also see the one-storey staff accommodation block beside the station demolished and a temporary two-storey building built in its place.

Network Rail said it could be there for up to ten years as part of the station masterplan if that scheme goes ahead.

The masterplan, supported by the city council, Oxfordshire County Council, and First Great Western, would see ^75m spent to redevelop the station.

The platform extensions are not officially part of the scheme but would be the first stage of redevelopment of the station.

Susanna Pressel, city councillor for Jericho and Osney ward which contains the station, said the plans for a temporary accommodation block concerned her.

She said: ^I share the concern of some residents who would be seriously affected by these proposals. I have seen their tiny back gardens and I hope it will not be necessary to put a new two-storey building right up against them. This would cause them to lose a lot of sunlight. We need to make sure that anything that is built does not cause more noise pollution or light pollution.^

A consultation will run until Monday, February 16, and the city council will be asked to decide whether to approve the scheme by March 9.

Oxfordshire County Council cabinet member for transport David Nimmo Smith said: ^The changes planned at Oxford station are welcome. It is already a very busy railway station and there is more passenger and freight traffic to come in future years. The extra capacity that is planned is very timely and I look forward to seeing work getting under way. It is important that local people are able to see that there are positive plans in place for the future.^

Details of the planning application submitted by Network Rail can be found at Oxford City Council's website planning portal (http://www.oxford.gov.uk/planningapplications). The application reference is 15/00096/PA11.


Title: Re: Oxford train station to get multi-million pound expansion - Oxford Mail 02/02/15
Post by: ellendune on February 02, 2015, 19:27:32
Would this be better added to the existing thread at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=593.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=593.0)


Title: Re: Oxford train station to get multi-million pound expansion - Oxford Mail 02/02/15
Post by: stuving on February 02, 2015, 19:59:34
I'm not sure what this is about:
Quote
The Chiltern trains would have nine carriages instead of four to cope with the extra demand, and would run from Bicester, Banbury and the new Oxford Parkway station in Water Eaton to London Marylebone.

The extended platforms at Oxford would allow the new extended trains to stop there and create a direct link from Didcot to Bicester.

The report does say that this "application" is only for the building, not the track and platforms, but planning authority approval is required for new bridges. There is no new bridge here, so the track has to fit into the existing one, and the platforms in any case within the railway boundary. So the new platform "4"  will be only 4 or 5 cars long, and P3 can't really be any longer than it is. That is what the plans show (though they do not extend to the end of P3).

And why would a direct service through to Didcot, which isn't envisaged until East-West Rail anyway, need these new bay platforms?

All rather confused. And as for this:
Quote
Network Rail said it could be there for up to ten years as part of the station masterplan if that scheme goes ahead.

The masterplan, supported by the city council, Oxfordshire County Council, and First Great Western, would see ^75m spent to redevelop the station.

The platform extensions are not officially part of the scheme but would be the first stage of redevelopment of the station.

Surely this first step is really a stop-gap, and will all be redone come the big remodelling. Obviously the building is temporary as it will not be part of the masterplan, not because it is.


Title: Re: Oxford train station to get multi-million pound expansion - Oxford Mail 02/02/15
Post by: stuving on February 02, 2015, 22:54:03
So the new platform "4"  will be only 4 or 5 cars long, and P3 can't really be any longer than it is. That is what the plans show (though they do not extend to the end of P3).
That's not quite right - the track's being extended at the other end, by nearly 40 m. So P3 could reach nearly 180 m, but with the required gap behind the buffers that's barely 8x23 m car lengths. And "P4" looks like about 150 m, less the gap.

In any case, what trains are Chiltern likely to come up with in the next 10 years?


Title: Re: Oxford train station to get multi-million pound expansion - Oxford Mail 02/02/15
Post by: paul7575 on February 02, 2015, 23:57:36
Chiltern have already organised the 9 x 2 car 170s from TPE that will apparently be converted to 168 standard, AIUI they get the first 5 in a few months time.

Rumour is that all of Scotrail's 170s also come up for grabs next year, (less those already moving to Southern in July).

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford train station to get multi-million pound expansion - Oxford Mail 02/02/15
Post by: Network SouthEast on February 03, 2015, 01:21:04
Chiltern have already organised the 9 x 2 car 170s from TPE that will apparently be converted to 168 standard, AIUI they get the first 5 in a few months time.

Rumour is that all of Scotrail's 170s also come up for grabs next year, (less those already moving to Southern in July).

Paul
It's not quite next year. The Scotrail class 170s will be released when the shortened High Speed Train (HST)s take over their duties, and electric  Glasgow-Edinburgh services commence. And the High Speed Train (HST)s won't be released until the Intercity Express Programme (IEP)s start services.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Oxford train station to get multi-million pound expansion - Oxford Mail 02/02/15
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 03, 2015, 10:40:31
Would this be better added to the existing thread at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=593.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=593.0)

A good suggestion, ellendune - I've now moved and merged both discussions here.  CfN.  :)


Title: Re: Oxford train station to get multi-million pound expansion - Oxford Mail 02/02/15
Post by: stuving on February 03, 2015, 15:58:21
In any case, what trains are Chiltern likely to come up with in the next 10 years?

I guess what I really meant was: what train/unit lengths could be put onto the route, if the demand is there?

A few existing platform lengths:
P3: 142 m (TPR) or 106 m (Sectional appendix)
"P4" (Dock) 68m (TPR only)
Parcel Dock (to be removed) 45 m (TPR only).

By the way, are the old parcels vans in the Parcel or East Dock (if they are still there) going to a good home?

Looking at the milestones set out in the CP5 Enhancements Delivery Plan, there is not a lot of time for this work. Noting that:
Quote
As stated above, it is proposed to deliver East West Rail in two phases:
Phase 1, between Bicester and Oxford, will deliver both the infrastructure required for
Chiltern^s Evergreen services to London and the incremental works required for the later
introduction of East West Rail services.
  under East West Rail Phase 1 (Oxford only), we find:

MilestoneDescriptionDateStatus
Oxford GRIP 3 completion   Single option selectionSeptember 2014   Complete
Oxford GRIP 4 completionSingle option scope defined  January 2015Indicator
Oxford GRIP 6 startStart on siteSeptember 2015Indicator
Oxford GRIP 6 completionInfrastructure ready for use  March 2016Regulated Output

The first two have been met. Given the time left, you can understand that the option chosen was close to "do minimum" to run trains. The canopy design and manufacture can presumably be cloned from elsewhere (perhaps Reading).


Title: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: ray951 on April 16, 2015, 14:02:01
Just had a tweet that suggested there would be no trains through Oxford for 9 days in February 2016.
Anyone know anything more?


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: stuving on April 16, 2015, 14:18:51
Just had a tweet that suggested there would be no trains through Oxford for 9 days in February 2016.
Anyone know anything more?

It's in the EAS, though still subject to discussion. From Saturday 13th through to Sunday 21st, and from Didcot to Heyford all closed. The notes say:

Quote
REPLACEMENT ROAD TRANSPORT REQUIRED
BETWEEN DIDCOT/OXFORD AND BANBURY /
LEAMINGTON / HANBOROUGH / BICESTER.
FREIGHT DIVERTED VIA WCML. SPECIAL
ARRANGEMENTS BY PILOT WORKING REQUIRED
TO REVERSE AT HANBOROUGH.

NOTES: This is a Western Route possession that
impacts on London North Western Route. After this
possession, OX75 has moved north; Down Jericho
line renamed to be Up Relief and is bi-di

Work: Oxford enhancement and resignalling

There will be a number of Sunday closures before and after that.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: ChrisB on April 16, 2015, 15:34:07
This work is Oxford Re-signalling Part One and is to enable Chiltern access to Oxford and is across Oxfordshire February half-term, in order than their Marylebone service can start in May 16 (or earlier, but I doubt it)


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: ray951 on April 16, 2015, 15:42:34
thanks for the responses and what is EAS? and I may also take a half term holiday that week given that I commute from Didcot to Oxford each day ;)


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: stuving on April 16, 2015, 16:10:42
thanks for the responses and what is EAS? and I may also take a half term holiday that week given that I commute from Didcot to Oxford each day ;)


The EAS is Network Rail's Engineering Access Statement, the part of the Operational Rules that defines all engineering possessions in advance so all the timetabling gets done. This covers the whole network and is large, but can be downloaded from here (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/3741.aspx).

In this case it will be Timetable year 2016, and while I was looking at Version 2 (Rules Proposal Date : 24 October 2014) the current Version 3 is the same.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: ChrisB on April 16, 2015, 17:14:14
11 all day Sundays north of Oxford in advance of those dates plus significant number of weekends afterwards both North & South of Oxford.

Oxford does need this resignalling & has to be completed before the wires can go up


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on April 16, 2015, 17:25:20
Don't forget that pl 3 will become a new through up platform before either Chiltern or East West can readily reach Cowley/Didcot/Heathrow/Swindon.

There maybe paths to get the odd train off East/West onto Oxford current Up platform, but there aren't sufficient to run a regular timetable, especially in the down direction where they will block all lines north of Oxford to get across to East West.


Title: Re: Oxford rail station falls silent in tribute to employee Steve Cross, 38
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 29, 2015, 01:07:19
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/12976328.Touching_scenes_as_family_unveil_plaque_to_tragic_Oxford_station_worker_Steve_Cross/):

Quote
Touching scenes as family unveil plaque to Oxford station worker Steve Cross

Family, friends and colleagues gathered at Oxford station to unveil a plaque commemorating a ticket barrier man who died earlier this year.

The plaque has been put up where father-of-two Steve Cross stood for the best part of a decade before his sudden death in January. It was officially unveiled yesterday by his two daughters Sophie, 12, and Amy, eight, alongside his mother Debra Kingsman.

Ms Kingsman said: ^The girls are so proud of their daddy. It^s a lovely tribute to him and this will always be here for them to come and see. I am so proud of him too and First Great Western has been so supportive to us ^ I want to thank the company. The idea of the plaque is very moving and it^s fitting that it^s here where he stood for so many years.^

She added: ^So many of his friends and work colleagues came along ^ it^s very touching."

The plaque in memory of the lifelong Liverpool fan was thought up and paid for by duty station managers Warren Bartlett and Kevin Knight, and station manager Richard Fry.

It read: ^Steve Cross First Great Western Oxford Gateline 2006-2015. Father, Friend, Work Colleague, Gentle Giant. Always in our Hearts."

The last part of the plaque stands for the Liverpool Football Club song You^ll Never Walk Alone. Two renditions of the song were played at his funeral in January.

Mr Knight said it would provide somewhere to remember his colleague. He said: ^He was one of a kind, you won^t find many like him. We thought it would be nice to have it right in spot where he worked, all of his gateline colleagues thought it was a brilliant idea.^

He added: ^We wanted to do something and have something permanent here for Steve, especially for his family and the staff. I hope that on anniversaries and birthday his girls could lay flowers there.^

Mark Cooper, 38, from Blackbird Leys, was a close friend of Mr Cross for more than 20 years. He said: ^It^s still quite raw in people^s hearts and First Great Western has given us a lot of support. He was liked in every circle he was in. The plaque says ^Gentle Giant^ and that was him all over.

Railway chaplain Chris Newport said before the unveiling: ^We need to celebrate the life of Steve and it^s clear that First Great Western staff loved him as a worker and colleague. I know that he is looking over now and smiling at such a wonderful occasion.^

A collection has raised more than ^2,000 for a trust fund for his daughters.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on December 10, 2015, 08:33:51
From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-35039433):
Quote
Vote launched to help decide revamped Oxford station design
(http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/8C97/production/_87119953_a0290cc9-6bc2-4e9c-9591-64a59ac38c8c.jpg)
 Members of the public can vote for which Oxford Station design they would like to see

Designs for a revamp of Oxford station have been unveiled and the public will be able to vote for their favourites.

They show ideas for an estimated ^125m redevelopment of the train station and regeneration of the surrounding area.

Six architects were asked to submit designs as part of a competition backed by the city and county councils.

City council regeneration director David Edwards said an expert judging panel would also have a say before the final design is unveiled.

Members of the public can vote from Friday by visiting Oxford City Council's website.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on December 10, 2015, 13:53:36
A picture of the six options can be found here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-35039433 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-35039433)
 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on December 10, 2015, 16:06:10
Struggling to like any of those, most of which are quite alike (slabby)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on December 10, 2015, 17:00:02
To match the Said Business School next door, possibly.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on December 10, 2015, 17:20:20
Struggling to like any of those, most of which are quite alike (slabby)

If you wanted to suggest some alternatives ... could ask for one of these (http://www.holidify.com/blog/best-railway-stations-in-india/)


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: ChrisB on December 10, 2015, 17:34:01
Can someone check the EAS & update us on current plans? They must be set in stone by now?


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: stuving on December 10, 2015, 20:11:31
Can someone check the EAS & update us on current plans? They must be set in stone by now?

Well, it hasn't been changed as of October. That doesn't mean it's going to happen - if the work can't be done the posession will presumably be cancelled. In which case it ought to be done pretty soon.

As that work was to finish resignalling the old Down Jericho line and reconnect it as the bidirectional Up Relief, and to put up some of new-fangled those electric wires from Appleford to Radley, it doesn't look like it can happen then.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: JayMac on December 10, 2015, 20:49:09
How about another rebuild like Newport, South Wales?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: AMLAG on December 10, 2015, 21:15:46
Nairn


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on December 10, 2015, 22:15:53
How about another rebuild like Newport, South Wales?

...or this:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/12/Pilning_railway_station_MMB_02.jpg/265px-Pilning_railway_station_MMB_02.jpg)


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: ChrisB on January 19, 2016, 21:22:22
So has this been cancelled? No notices that I've seen anywhere and its only a few weeks away. Suspect its been combined with Hinksey flood relief work in July/Aug?


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: phile on January 20, 2016, 09:25:04
No mention on NRE Future Engineering Work on the website.   Should be 12 weeks notice for Booking Engines.    There is another thread on the Board re Closure Oxford to Didcot 23 July to 8 August.


Title: Re: Oxford Station Closed Feb 2016 for 9 days
Post by: ChrisB on January 20, 2016, 09:52:55
Which is now 30 July to 15 August....


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on March 02, 2016, 12:06:28
From This is Oxfordshire (http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/14312979.Winning_designs_selected_for_Oxford_Rail_Station_revamp/):
Quote
Winning designs announced for multi-million pound Oxford Rail Station revamp
Naomi Herring, Reporter covering Bicester

THE top three designs of the multi-million pound overhaul planned for Oxford Rail Station have been announced.

The striking designs give an insight into what the city centre rail station could look like in the future and will be used as inspiration for the long-awaited ^75m revamp.

Six designs were put to a panel of judges and following a public consultation Entry F by architects AHR was chosen as the 'people's favourite' with 70 per cent of the vote.

A judging panel - made up of Network Rail, Oxford City Council, Oxfordshire County Council, the Department for Transport and Great Western Railway - separately selected the design along with two others.

Winning designs including entries from architects Wilkinson Eyre (Entry B); Allies & Morrison (Entry C) and AHR (Entry F).

Chairman of the judging panel Fiona Piercy said: "We were delighted with the calibre of architects involved. They all produced excellent ideas making it very hard to choose the three winners.

"The ideas will help us set the benchmark for architectural quality standards and raise ambitions for a new world class gateway station for Oxford building on the completed work at Frideswide Square and linking to new schemes at Oxpens  and the Westgate development."

I can't get any of their pictures to show here, so you can use their page link, or go to the original consultation page (http://consultation.oxford.gov.uk/consult.ti/oxfordstationcomp/consultationHome) which has all six candidates as files to download.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 02, 2016, 12:26:40
Yes, it will be interesting to see whether 'people power' and their massive vote of 70% for the one design will win through, or whether one of the two other ideas will eventually be taken forward.  I suppose there's also a good chance that money constraints mean that all three of them get binned in preference to a much more modest design!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on March 02, 2016, 14:30:07
Judging by the last comment in that article Oxford station isn't going to look anything like the winning designs as they are just ideas and I quote "The ideas will help us set the benchmark for architectural quality standards and raise ambitions for a new world class gateway station for Oxford".


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2016, 14:32:39
Just like the County Council's idea of a monorail to relieve the Oxford traffic chaos....

They need to identify how much cash can go in this pot....and the County has a BIG problem as they are making swinging cuts. I doubt the City Council can find much either. Until that's solved, it's pie in the sky really, because NR won't stump it up.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 13, 2016, 14:04:56
The two parcels vans that have been in the east dock at Oxford for well over twenty years are currently being broken up in situ.  Cost of them being preserved was deemed too much apparently.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: 81F on May 16, 2016, 17:55:42
The down platform at Oxford in Realtime Trains today seems to have an identity crisis, being referred to occasionally as 2, occasionally as 4.  Looking ahead, it appears to be consistently platform 4.  I imagine this means that the new platform for Chiltern trains will be known as platform 2?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 16, 2016, 18:44:21
The platforms were all renumbered as of today, with 1 becoming 3, 2 becoming 4 and 3 becoming 2.

Written like that it sounds a silly idea, but the new Chiltern platform will become Platform 1 when it opens later this year, and then all platforms will be numbered sequentially 1 through 4.

No doubt it'll take a while for everyone to get used to the new numbers, just like when Platform 4 became Platform 7 at Reading.



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on May 16, 2016, 19:53:50
If & when the up loop platform opens (& it is on plans I've seen) another renumber will be necessary...and platform 5 will appear first on the down loop


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 16, 2016, 20:13:01
If & when the up loop platform opens (& it is on plans I've seen) another renumber will be necessary...and platform 5 will appear first on the down loop

I'm not sure it will be - the plans I've seen indicate that the up loop platform is merely an extension of bay Platform 2, what was Platform 3 until today.  And yes to Platform 5 being the down loop.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on May 16, 2016, 21:43:10
Yes, that's possible...but isn't Chiltern meant to be getting 2 bay platforms?...


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 17, 2016, 05:11:48
I think it was originally, but the likelihood of Chiltern and EW Rail services terminating at Oxford in the longer term looks slim, and so having two north facing bay is enough - the existing one and a new one.  Then if the new platform 2 eventually becomes a through platform then that's still available to them if needed.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on June 15, 2017, 23:52:50
Further details of the Oxford Station Masterplan have been published  http://www.oxfordwestend.co.uk/Direct/Loresexhibitiongraphics.pdf (http://www.oxfordwestend.co.uk/Direct/Loresexhibitiongraphics.pdf)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on June 16, 2017, 12:28:05
Further details of the Oxford Station Masterplan have been published  http://www.oxfordwestend.co.uk/Direct/Loresexhibitiongraphics.pdf (http://www.oxfordwestend.co.uk/Direct/Loresexhibitiongraphics.pdf)

I've seen that before, it's a 2014 pdf.    Quite possible to have changed since then, I'd have thought?

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on June 16, 2017, 13:58:37

I've seen that before, it's a 2014 pdf.    Quite possible to have changed since then, I'd have thought?

Paul

Sorry was trying to be helpful and not put in a link to something behind a paywall.

Try this http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/15341633.RAILWAY_STATION_REVAMP__Oxford_s_full__masterplan__finally_revealed/ (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/15341633.RAILWAY_STATION_REVAMP__Oxford_s_full__masterplan__finally_revealed/)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 17, 2017, 16:43:52
I hope that if any platforms are likely to be occupied by more than 1 train at a time – quite likely I would have thought with terminators coming in from the north and the south – then the platforms will be properly signalled for this with mid platform signals etc.  Unlike Reading. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 17, 2017, 17:30:40
I hope that if any platforms are likely to be occupied by more than 1 train at a time – quite likely I would have thought with terminators coming in from the north and the south – then the platforms will be properly signalled for this with mid platform signals etc.  Unlike Reading.
They won't be. Normal platform sharing arrangements using 'Calling On' aspects on the platform protecting stop signals are being provided.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 17, 2017, 18:14:57
OK, but Group Standard GK/RT0044 “Guidance on Permissive Working” states:

"2.2.1    Facilities for signalling a passenger train on to an occupied line shall only be provided where all of the following apply:
                a) It is a platform line.
                b) The purpose is for platform sharing and / or joining trains.
                c) There is no reasonably practicable alternative method of working which presents less risk."

Para c) acknowledges that signalling a passenger train on to an occupied line (ie permissive working) carries a risk.  I would have thought that for a new layout with new signalling it would be difficult for NR to claim “there is no reasonably practicable alternative method of working which presents less risk”. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on June 17, 2017, 19:17:05
So very poor integrated transport requiring those with mobility problems to have to negotiate their way to Becket Street (no current plans for pick up in front of the new station. Only pedestrians and cyclists get that bonus


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 17, 2017, 20:16:59
OK, but Group Standard GK/RT0044 “Guidance on Permissive Working” states:

"2.2.1    Facilities for signalling a passenger train on to an occupied line shall only be provided where all of the following apply:
                a) It is a platform line.
                b) The purpose is for platform sharing and / or joining trains.
                c) There is no reasonably practicable alternative method of working which presents less risk."

Para c) acknowledges that signalling a passenger train on to an occupied line (ie permissive working) carries a risk.  I would have thought that for a new layout with new signalling it would be difficult for NR to claim “there is no reasonably practicable alternative method of working which presents less risk”.
I think you have mis-understood that.  It means that permissive working itself should not implemented unless there is no alternative, not that alternative signalling should be arranged to permit it. In truth it is suggesting that there should be additional platforms that are not shared.

I can think of lots of recent schemes that comply with the standard but don't have intermediate platform signals.  Out of interest Bristol Temple Meads will have intermediate platform signals but that is probably due to the length of the platforms which are in effect two operationally separate platforms and will therefore be separated by signals.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 18, 2017, 10:41:19
We are interpreting this extract differently, others can come to their own conclusions.  The fact is that permissive working carries risks which can be avoided if fixed signals are provided, and providing fixed signals at new build stage is relatively easy. 

NB the Sprinter/High Speed Train (HST) collision at Plymouth last year, the RAIB Report on which was published in February.


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 18, 2017, 15:02:52
We are interpreting this extract differently, others can come to their own conclusions.  The fact is that permissive working carries risks which can be avoided if fixed signals are provided, and providing fixed signals at new build stage is relatively easy. 

NB the Sprinter/High Speed Train (HST) collision at Plymouth last year, the RAIB Report on which was published in February.
Fixed mid-platform signals would not have reduced the risk as part of that collision.  The High Speed Train (HST) was stood well past the platform mid-point so the DMU would have still been signalled into an occupied platform by a 'Calling On' aspect.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 19, 2017, 08:57:03
The point I was making is that permissive working carries risks which do not exist with fixed signals.  Permissive working is sometimes necessary eg coupling up but my view is that where it can be avoided it should be.  If there had been a mid-platform signal and the first train couldn't fit behind (like the HST at Plymouth), then I contend that a second train should not normally be allowed in permissively from the other end.  If the first train had been a 3 car Sprinter from the London end, it could have sat behind a mid-platform signal and the Sprinter from Cornwall could have been safely let in to the platform under fixed signals.

Fixed signals, especially nowadays with TPWS etc, provide a safeguard against human error: these safeguards do not exist with permissive working, hence the wording in the Group Standard.

I think I've said all I want to say on this topic, S&TE I'm happy if you have the last word.  Off to the seaside for a few days so I'll leave arguments behind.

Sorry about delayed response – BBQ yesterday and I don’t email, post messages etc when I’ve been drinking! 

3rd sentence edited for clarity


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 19, 2017, 09:57:15
Enjoy your break.  Don't think I have any further points to add to those I have already made ;)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Oberon on July 23, 2017, 09:37:40
This link provides the first word from the DfT I have read that Didcot-Oxford wiring is not abandoned but is going ahead. This presumably will be part of the CP6 agenda. And, of course, it will give those nice new EMUs something to do when otherwise they'd be sitting in their depots for most of the day.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/15426688.Train_track_electrification_will_go_ahead_in_Oxfordshire/?ref=rss


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 23, 2017, 10:35:17
This link provides the first word from the DfT I have read that Didcot-Oxford wiring is not abandoned but is going ahead. This presumably will be part of the CP6 agenda. And, of course, it will give those nice new EMUs something to do when otherwise they'd be sitting in their depots for most of the day.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/15426688.Train_track_electrification_will_go_ahead_in_Oxfordshire/?ref=rss

How come? What DfT are quoted as saying is only what has been noted on this forum already; that the statement last week about electrification planned for CP6 being dropped didn't mention the work (like Oxford) planned for CP5 and deferred to CP6 at all. The Oxford Mail have concluded from that that the work is definitely going ahead, but that's hardly authoritative.

So DfT's position is still what it was when those deferrals were announced, that they intend the work to be done in CP6. The work content of CP6 is still being negotiated with NR, who will need to make a case for each item to DfT.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on July 23, 2017, 10:36:33
The only commitment here to me is Didcot-Oxford will have its own announcement whatever way that is at whatever time. Running bi-modes on the fasts to Oxford and the 387 on stoppers to Didcot and a diesel stopper shuttle Didcot-Oxford-Banbury could be however be considered to be consistent with the principles expounded within broader cancellation announcement, with the possible exception of the shuttles. East-West is possibly the additional factor in the mix.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 23, 2017, 12:01:01
Agree with Stuving - Oxford-Didcot currently is pushed into CP6, whose HLOS is under current negotiation between NR, ORR & DfT. The DfT has noted an October 13 date for the SoFA (Statement of Funds Available) for CP6. NR & ORR then have to agree which projects meet the criteria for inclusion in that spending round.

Personally, I suspect this small add-on will make it into CP6, otherwise the work this weekend probably wouldn't have proceeded as it was needed prior to the wires going up.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 23, 2017, 12:21:16
Agree with ChrisB and Stuving regarding the position of the DfT and Network Rail (NR).

However, the work taking place at the moment is not connected with electrification directly but is part of the Oxford Corridor Enhancement scheme which provides more capacity between Didcot and Heyford through resignalling and improved track layouts.  It will eventually lead to Oxford PSB closing and control transferring to the Didcot TVSC next year.  After this stage of the work is complete there will be improved line speeds just south of the station as new crossovers are installed and there will be a couple of altered signal locations.

Provision for electrification is part of that work, but is not the reason for it.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 23, 2017, 12:28:29
NR tweeted this yesterday - looks as though all track's been lifted

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFXVOL6WAAAhhqR.jpg)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 23, 2017, 12:34:45
Yes, all bar the down relief lifted south of the station yesterday.  Leaving Oxford heading south and the old 25mph crossover will be replaced with a 30mph one located nearer the station which should mean trains can pretty much leave the station on full power.  The 25mph speeds on the loop line (known ask the 'old main' to some) will increase to 60mph and there will also be another 25mph crossing replaced with a 40mph one for trains arriving at Platform 3 from the south.

I expect other enabling work for the future stages will also be completed and will report  back on what's been done.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on July 23, 2017, 12:43:02
So is this work all the changes south of the station that are on this plan (http://16cbgt3sbwr8204sf92da3xxc5m-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Oxford-Phase-1.pdf) of Oxford Corridor Phase 1?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on July 23, 2017, 13:10:43
So who didn't turn up (or forgot) to open Oxford station in time for the Chiltern train this morning ...

Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/15428401.Rail_passengers_left_stranded_outside_locked_station_doors_in_staff_blunder/?ref=mrb&lp=1):
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DOZENS of people were left stranded outside of Oxford Railway Station after staff failed to unlock the doors before the first train arrived.
More than 100 people were reportedly left queueing outside the main entrance after the error this morning.
They could only watch in despair as the first Chiltern service to London passed by the station oblivious to the hordes of passengers stuck behind the locked door.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 23, 2017, 13:44:39
Hah! Several of us boarded that train at Bicester Village, all forecasting that no seats were likely - at it turned out, there were very few on the train & we were left with quizzical faces.....this explains it :-)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 23, 2017, 16:11:34
So is this work all the changes south of the station that are on this plan (http://16cbgt3sbwr8204sf92da3xxc5m-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Oxford-Phase-1.pdf) of Oxford Corridor Phase 1?

Yes, the majority of those works are being done.  The West Midlands Sidings were removed a month or so ago.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 27, 2017, 15:18:18
Here's a few snaps at the work taking place at Oxford during the possession this week:

First, what Oxford station did look like:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4298/35395140683_4ceaf542a9_c.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4327/35363896214_6d189250b3_c.jpg)

During the works:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4306/36065834191_c7b200faff_c.jpg)

And with works nearly completed:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4322/36065827941_2355f33428_c.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4299/36158456276_1d01c062a8_c.jpg)

You can see the West Midland Sidings on the right have been removed (done in the run up the the possession).  A 30mph crossover has been installed nearer to the end of the platforms for services departing Platform 3 to replace the 25mph one just south of the station.  Another crossover has been removed leading from the Up Main to the Up and Down Loop line.  The crossover leading from the Down Main to Platform 4 has been renewed slightly closer to the station (and should become a 30mph crossover at a later stage of the works).  Finally, a new 30 mph crossover has been installed which (at a later stage) will allow passenger movements from Platform 4 heading south.  Any works for the planned line into a new Platform 5 have not taken place at this stage.


Moving slightly further south to North Hinksey:

Here's what it did look like:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4323/35395142123_71fe75b076_c.jpg)

And with works nearly complete:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4303/36199613025_386cbdbf75_c.jpg)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4300/36032756832_a3a619a646_b.jpg)

In these images you can see the existing 25mph crossover between the main and relief lines has been replaced with a 40mph one, and the existing 25mph crossover leading to from the Up & Down Loop Line has been replaced with a 75mph crossover (restricted to 60mph until a later stage of the works).  In the final image, you can see the four signals that have been repositioned.  Eventually, when control passes to Didcot TVSC and Oxford PSB closes, these signals will be renumbered and more routes added and speeds raised further.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 31, 2017, 16:27:09
Looks like it was all commissioned on time this morning (31/07/2017).


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 31, 2017, 20:42:01
Yes, though to be honest they had a very long time to do what was not exactly an enormous amount of work.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: SandTEngineer on February 03, 2018, 15:48:54
For those interested in what is still to come to pass at Oxford later this year, I thought this 2016 Network Rail (NR) presentation would be of benefit: https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/ConstructingExcellenceOxford/network-rail-eng-presentation-14-0116-py-final

Note there is an error in the slides in that Phase 0 is shown as being delivered in Summer 2018 when that should have been Summer 2016.. ::)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Class 50 on February 03, 2018, 16:24:32
If anyone wants an update, Rob Mashford from Network Rail is giving a presentation on the ongoing and future Works , to Railfuture @ Jericho Community Centre 33 Canal Street OX26BQ. 18.30hrs on Monday 19th Feb 2018.
Non members and those interested are most welcome .
This was a very successfull and interesting meeting last year, so very strongly recommended .


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Oxman on March 21, 2018, 19:32:02
A massive infrastructure investment for Oxfordshire was announced today. The focus for the first year is transport related. According to the Oxford Mail:

"There will be £3.25m for a Botley Road corridor project - to give buses priority and improve cycle provision and the road condition - and £500,000 will be put towards a study to widen Botley Road rail bridge to facilitate the Oxford Station development and create more rail lines."


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on March 21, 2018, 20:38:21
A massive infrastructure investment for Oxfordshire was announced today. The focus for the first year is transport related. According to the Oxford Mail:

"There will be £3.25m for a Botley Road corridor project - to give buses priority and improve cycle provision and the road condition - and £500,000 will be put towards a study to widen Botley Road rail bridge to facilitate the Oxford Station development and create more rail lines."
Must be one of the most studied bridge widening schemes ever...

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on March 22, 2018, 14:00:29
Quite possibly as it happens.....both restrained by the approach from the City  and above by the railway & station. It certainly won't be easy


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: jdw.wor on March 22, 2018, 18:07:26
Can someone please tell me why half a million pounds is needed for a study into widening one bridge when, I suspect, everyone knows of its advantages.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Rostock0 on March 27, 2018, 06:39:31
My guess is that the study is about the traffic chaos that will ensue if they close the road under the bridge. It's a genuine choke point.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on March 27, 2018, 09:27:11
Can someone please tell me why half a million pounds is needed for a study into widening one bridge when, I suspect, everyone knows of its advantages.

The announcement was confusing, in part for the usual reason that some of it was not backed up by fuller details "published" on line. But this was confusinger, as it looked as if there were two DfT schemes for similar things on different timescales. However, I think it's the same thing with too many names (is that an appellation mountain?)

As far as I can make out, this is the government's Housing Infrastructure Fund (not the Housing and Infrastructure Fund) for which applications were invited last year. The announcement on 21st March was for grants to Oxfordshire (plus districts) as well as Greater Manchester and the West of England. Those three total £300M, of which £215M is for Oxfordshire.

This involves setting up agreements (like contracts, but without so many lawyers or words), and the relevant one is the Oxfordshire Housing and Growth Deal. The local end of this is dealt with by the Oxfordshire Growth Board and the LEP - OxLEP. OxLEP's announcment of this was a bit vague, but the OGB has a list of things (https://www.oxford.gov.uk/news/article/719/growth_board_announces_first_round_of_projects_to_receive_housing_and_growth_deal_funding) which includes:
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Widening Botley Road railway bridge will support the Oxford rail station development, enabling more rail lines to be provided to increase capacity through Oxford; while widening the road underneath the bridge will provide more space for cycle lanes and wider pavements.

The Year 1 funding is for design work.
The numbers for that item are £500K in year 1, £500K for later follow-up design work, and £40M for the build itself (presumably assuming a split with NR and ANO).

I think it was implied, and perhaps even said, in the earlier proposals to widen the railway line that it would be kinda nice to widen the road as well, and this would be the only opportunity to do it.

PS: The West of England bit of that funding appears to be smaller and at an earlier stage of definition.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on April 21, 2018, 17:31:09
Bear in mind that "widen" doesn't mean the usual here.....where most would think that the bridge supports are being pushed further apart, so as to widen the road underneath (or over the top)

IN this case, 'widen' means to stretch it sideways, across the road underneath. The road isn't being widened, the bridge is - such as to take more tracks across it. THis means more road being covered by a widened bridge.

Anyone that knows this current bridge knows that the road drops each side of it, and floods regularly in the dip underneath. Not only will the drainage need improving, but the slope of the road will need to start further out away from the bridge in order to get below earlier.

Reasonably easy on the country side, but on the city side, oh dear. There is a road junction - into the station on the north side & a road that leads to the car park on the south side, that is likely to become the bus station. To get down far enough soon enough coming from the city, the drop will need to start a lot closer to the city & Frideswide square (which has only just been redesigned, doh!.

So there will need to be slip roads created to access the station/car park, to the sides of the through road that drops to go under the bridge. There is space to do it, but the wide spaces/pavements that have just been created will all disappear under the slip roads. The design will be crucial to keep the area looking good, rather than a motorway junction imho


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on April 21, 2018, 17:51:51
Bear in mind that "widen" doesn't mean the usual here.....where most would think that the bridge supports are being pushed further apart, so as to widen the road underneath (or over the top)

IN this case, 'widen' means to stretch it sideways, across the road underneath. The road isn't being widened, the bridge is - such as to take more tracks across it. THis means more road being covered by a widened bridge.
...

But ... that's not what the OGB's words (cf last post) describing the study say:

"Widening Botley Road railway bridge will support the Oxford rail station development, enabling more rail lines to be provided to increase capacity through Oxford; while widening the road underneath the bridge will provide more space for cycle lanes and wider pavements."

The simple future tense may be misleading, of course.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on April 21, 2018, 18:35:39
Ok, boy....widening the road when the bridge abutments are brick built & already several metres high from the road to bridge level. To take (at least) one side down to dig out the earth behind?

And which side - lose car park (or bus station already designed to fit, so that would be smaller_ or station area (actually the mega bike park). Your talking serious £millions just doing that, while closing the road for weeks in order to achieve it.....nah, won't happen easily


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on April 21, 2018, 19:05:44
Ok, boy....widening the road when the bridge abutments are brick built & already several metres high from the road to bridge level. To take (at least) one side down to dig out the earth behind?

And which side - lose car park (or bus station already designed to fit, so that would be smaller_ or station area (actually the mega bike park). Your talking serious £millions just doing that, while closing the road for weeks in order to achieve it.....nah, won't happen easily

I believe that a certain Mr Brunel managed to dig a tunnel under the River Thames somewhat downstream of Oxford. What scope for modern day successors to burrow under both the Isis and the railway below the current railway bridge?  If Stonehenge can be tunnelled ...


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on April 21, 2018, 19:08:38
Like I say, it's a study. They ask the question, and back come the answers - with numbers (large) - for a variety of options. Then, as you suggest, they pick something at the lower end of the price range (though not exactly cheap, of course).


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on April 21, 2018, 19:35:49
Ok, boy....widening the road when the bridge abutments are brick built & already several metres high from the road to bridge level. To take (at least) one side down to dig out the earth behind?

And which side - lose car park (or bus station already designed to fit, so that would be smaller_ or station area (actually the mega bike park). Your talking serious £millions just doing that, while closing the road for weeks in order to achieve it.....nah, won't happen easily

The premise is that if you want to widen the road, then the time to do it is when the bridge is being replaced to widen the railway. Otherwise you end up replacing the bridge twice!

This sort of bridge replacement has been done before many times. It can be done relatively quickly though Botley road would clearly have to be closed to some time just to dig the road out. Yes that would be difficult as there are no alternatives without a long diversion. 

You can construct foundations for the new abutments in advance using large piles on either side of the railway or if necessary during a short possession. The old bridge deck is removed, the abutment walls demolished, and new precast concrete abutments lifted in followed by the new bridge deck.  To keep the deck relatively thin it would have to be a single piece like the new bridge over Caversham road at Reading.

It may be possible to widen only on one side in which case one abutment wall could remain. 

The loss of car park or station would depend on how wide the new bridge needed to be, but I doubt it would be that significant.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on May 12, 2018, 20:35:32
Hmmm. Its a railway-over-road bridge.

That means the abutments that the bridge sits on run alond each side of the road underneath. At right-angles to & underneath the railway.

Widen the bridge to take more rails - yes, one simply lengthens each side of each abutment and lay a new wider bridge on top.

To effectively lengthen the bridge, you would need to dig out the undersoil under each/one side of the railway, relocate abutments further apart! To privide extra width for the road underneath. Thats a serious civil eng job that is. The area would need closing for many weeks!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 31, 2018, 20:17:44
This may be of interest.
http://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/16257529.improvement-works-mean-bus-replacement-services/?ref=rss


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on June 01, 2018, 10:34:12
More traffic in the summer?

Even with the increase in tourists (usually coached in and out though), the level of traffic drops in & around Oxford in the summer. No universities, schools to work at neither school runs.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on January 02, 2019, 11:22:31
I have heard that Network Rail have recently (Dec 2018) been in discussion with Oxford City Council about replacing the Botley Road bridge in 2019. When I asked my source whether this meant applying for planning permission in 2019 or actually replace the bridge in 2019 they were adamant that it was replacement and not just the application. Apparently they are planning to dig a deeper road so I assume they want a wider bridge so that they can add additional platforms to Oxford station.

This is good news for users of Oxford station, but I am deeply sceptical that it is possible to replace the bridge this year given the fact that the replacement bridge probably hasn’t been built and the amount of consultation that will required given the amount of disruption this will cause in Oxford. For those not familiar with Oxford replacing this bridge effectively cuts off west Oxford from the city centre without any obvious way to mitigate the closure.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on January 02, 2019, 11:28:55
For those not familiar with Oxford replacing this bridge effectively cuts off west Oxford from the city centre without any obvious way to mitigate the closure.
But replacing it with a wider bridge (both to road traffic and to rail) which is what Oxford City Council (OCC) want, would by the same count have tremendous benefits for road users.

I am sceptical that any such project could take place in summer 2019.  There would be a huge amount of preparatory work to minimise the duration of the road closure.  Starting in 2019 for a closure in 2020 would seem much more likely. 

One abutment would need widening and the other rebuilt completely in a new position further south. The road improvements underneath could then take place after the replacement bridge deck is in place with the new lower alignment built one side at a time.  A Christmas 2019 replacement would be possible. 

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 02, 2019, 12:03:29
I'd be amazed if it was replaced in 2019, though fairly advanced plans are in place.  I believe the Westgate Hotel and a couple of other smaller old railway buildings will be demolished in order that the bridge can prepared on site to be slid into place to reduce the length of the disruption.  Part of the Youth Hostel will go in order to provide the extra platform.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on January 02, 2019, 13:05:42
I believe the Westgate Hotel and a couple of other smaller old railway buildings will be demolished in order that the bridge can prepared on site to be slid into place to reduce the length of the disruption.  Part of the Youth Hostel will go in order to provide the extra platform.

In that case 2019 seems a non starter.  Even if the Youth Hostel does not need doing just to do the bridge. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 02, 2019, 13:39:50
Indeed, though perhaps the Westgate Hotel will be demolished this year?  I see the little corner shop that was attached to it closed a few months ago.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on January 02, 2019, 14:52:03
Indeed, though perhaps the Westgate Hotel will be demolished this year? 
Its website suggests it it still trading with no hint of closure.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on January 02, 2019, 14:53:20
It's such a major project that it would need funds allocated to it from CP6 well in advance, and this hasn't yet been done. Unless OCC are paying 100% for it, but I can't see that happening. But yes, that wouldn't have been first discussions - it's been talked about for over a year now.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: eightonedee on January 02, 2019, 16:39:20
Sounds like a long Christmas break job to me, I hope the team that made such a good job at Caversham Road Reading are still around to deliver!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: CyclingSid on January 02, 2019, 19:35:35
I hope it doesn't turn into another Cow Lane Reading affair. Just dig a bit out one side at a time. Cycled through yesterday and they still have a lot of work to do.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Reading General on January 07, 2019, 20:09:30
If the road here is to be dug down further do you think it would require a sump for water collection similar to the Vastern Road bridge at Reading?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on January 07, 2019, 22:48:02
If the road here is to be dug down further do you think it would require a sump for water collection similar to the Vastern Road bridge at Reading?

It will as I think its as near to the river than Vastern Road Bridge


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on January 08, 2019, 10:44:19
If the road here is to be dug down further do you think it would require a sump for water collection similar to the Vastern Road bridge at Reading?

It will as I think its as near to the river than Vastern Road Bridge

That's not how it works, is it? If anything the opposite: assuming the watercourse you want to put the water into is below the drain invert under your bridge, if it's close then gravity may suffice but if it's further you may need to install pumps. Also, if the local road drains are higher, then even if a steady fall would be possible you would need to lay a new drain - and the cost of that might still be more than for using pumps. And of course it's the pumps that matter, and the reason for needing a sump. You may remember that this came up in the discussion of the bridge at Gypsy Patch Lane in Bristol a little while ago (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=17049.msg252192#msg252192)...

Of course if your local river is likely to be above your road level, and at a probability high enough that you have to cope with it (there's always a level above which you accept defeat), distance doesn't matter. The Environment Agency puts Vastern Road (most of it - not just under the bridge - and Caversham Road likewise) in their lilac flood risk band: 0.5% to 1.33% risk per year. This small area near the roundabout between the railway bridge and Reading Bridge should at least be getting plenty of thought in the current flood relief planning process - it contains Thames Water's head office and the local headquarters of the Environment Agency, both sites liable to flooding.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on January 08, 2019, 19:34:45
Sorry I wasn't very precise in my description.

What I meant was that both sites are near to rivers that flood, that is near both horizontally and vertically. Indeed I suspect that Oxford is nearer the river level than Vastern Road. What I meant was that there was no way it could drain by gravity into the river and possible not into the sewer. 

So yes you do need a sump in those cases because the only way you are going to be able to get rid of the water is to pump it out! I assumed that Reading General's use of the term sump was referring to the wet well of a pumping station. 



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Reading General on January 08, 2019, 22:06:20
Yes. The Vastern Road bridge has a large sump underneath for floodwater to collect in heavy rainfall as it's below the water table (also below the river level) the water is then pumped away. The service entrance to the pumps can be seen in the middle of the roundabout to the south of the bridge. Last year at some point the pumps failed and the road way was completely impassable in both directions, so it is definitely needed. The Botley Road already appears to be below the river level as it runs under the railway now and the Osney area between the city centre and Botley is clearly marshland as the Thames runs across this land in several courses. I always thought to myself that digging down any further here would be taking it to extremes. Not so much what happens when water courses burst banks but drainage of water on marshy land.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on October 17, 2019, 12:32:12
New PIS going in at Oxford today - the white-on-black screens seen at other GWR stations, with train formation graphics. The departure boards and (newer) displays on the Chiltern platforms appears to be unchanged.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on October 17, 2019, 15:02:36
Does anyone know when the entrance/exit from P1 and p2 are going to open? It seems to have been taking a very long time.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on December 16, 2019, 09:01:08
Does anyone know when the entrance/exit from P1 and p2 are going to open? It seems to have been taking a very long time.

I can answer my own question as the new entrance/exit from P1, P2 and P3 was open this morning (16th December).
Hopefully this will cause less overcrowding on P3, although extra platforms (and electric trains) are still required.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on December 16, 2019, 09:27:05
Plus extra toilets 😁


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Adelante_CCT on December 16, 2019, 10:03:28
Does anyone know when the entrance/exit from P1 and p2 are going to open? It seems to have been taking a very long time.

I can answer my own question as the new entrance/exit from P1, P2 and P3 was open this morning (16th October).

Should that read December? Or has this post taken two months to get through the system?  ;D


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on December 16, 2019, 10:57:00
Plus extra toilets 😁

Just facilities full stop. There are no waiting rooms, refreshments, toilets, etc. on P1, P2 or P3, you have to go back through the ticket gates to find any useful facilities.

If Oxford could have just a fraction of the money spent on Crossrail stations it would be fantastic, maybe they should rename it London Oxford:-)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on December 16, 2019, 10:58:21
Does anyone know when the entrance/exit from P1 and p2 are going to open? It seems to have been taking a very long time.

I can answer my own question as the new entrance/exit from P1, P2 and P3 was open this morning (16th October).

Should that read December? Or has this post taken two months to get through the system?  ;D

Of course December, but even if the post had taken 2 months that is much quicker than the years it has taken to finally open these ticket gates.  :)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 16, 2019, 11:32:23
Does anyone know when the entrance/exit from P1 and p2 are going to open? It seems to have been taking a very long time.

I missed your original post, ray951 - but, yes, a target date of this year was planned and achieved today.  The gateline (which I believe came from surplus stock from Gatwick) took a while to arrive, but once it did it was a very quick process to get it installed and opened.  Will make a massive difference to queuing and congestion along platform 3 and in the concourse, but a proper redevelopment of the station can't come soon enough!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: eightonedee on December 17, 2019, 22:50:37
Following on from previous posts - is Oxford Station the most inadequate station for a town of its size in the country?



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 17, 2019, 22:53:50
Following on from previous posts - is Oxford Station the most inadequate station for a town of its size in the country?

It certainly was before the new station building was built in the early 90s.  I remember thinking it was massive when I first walked inside the new concourse, but a huge increase in users makes it now look very inadequate again!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on December 18, 2019, 09:03:43
Following on from previous posts - is Oxford Station the most inadequate station for a town of its size in the country?


As someone who travels through Oxford every day the answer has to be yes, although this is of course completely anecdotal.

There aren't enough platforms and the space on those platforms is extremely limited and as mentioned above there are very few facilities on the platform side of the station.

Although I will add that there has been a reduction in delays since making P4 reversible, especially to 'Up' services.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Reading General on December 18, 2019, 09:27:03
I always wonder why Oxford station has never really been up to the job. Didcot is the size and type of station that Oxford needs but it has an equivalent of Prince’s Risborough instead. The space available for expansion is tight, so I’ve always wondered whether relocation to the south of Botley Road is the answer to Oxford’s capacity problems.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on December 18, 2019, 09:29:19
I always wonder why Oxford station has never really been up to the job. Didcot is the size and type of station that Oxford needs but it has an equivalent of Prince’s Risborough instead. The space available for expansion is tight, so I’ve always wondered whether relocation to the south of Botley Road is the answer to Oxford’s capacity problems.

I thought the masterplan produced a couple of years ago produced the right size of station without relocating it. Is there that much more space south of Botley Road or does it just look larger because it has not got a station on it? 

Edit:

The space at the North end of the station could be better used if it was possible to replace the deck of the Castle Stream bridge with an orthogonal deck so the tracks could be as close together as they are at the south of the station. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on December 18, 2019, 12:37:58
The antipathy of Oxford City authorities, and for a longer period the University in the 19th century to railways has had a long-lasting effect. All of the main stations through the years have been too small and cramped, and took years to get settled sites. The first terminus at Grandpont was a wooden structure, but maybe there was always a thought it would be replaced. The current station site at first just had two short platforms, ticket office, parcel office and waiting rooms for first and second class passengers only. The original overall Brunel roof didn't survive into the 20th century with the decaying buildings finally demolished in 1972 replaced by little more than a collection of prefabricated sheds.

Modern dithering has been over the potential move to Oxpens (on and off at least twice I think) and the awkward issues on the present area relating to the height of the Botley Road and relocation of the youth hostel that has said it will “resist moving as long as possible”. Since it is apparently the top-rated YHA facility in the country I suppose that isn't a surprise.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on December 18, 2019, 12:50:07
There was no shortage of people warning Railtrack at the time (2001) that allowing the youth hostel to be built there would eventually bite them on the... station approach.

(The YHA's behaviour was fairly galling at the time, too - they paid to hang a vintage punt from the roof in the hostel at the same time as they were closing swathes of the rural hostel network.)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Hal on August 05, 2020, 10:28:46
Oxford City Council said on Monday that it has hired engineering firm Atkins to develop a new "masterplan" for the station. It said the plan would turn Oxford into "a national rail hub", by adding two new lines and platforms.

It said:
"This includes:

- East West Rail (EWR), creating a rail link connecting Oxford, Bicester, Milton Keynes, Bedford, Cambridge, and communities in between
- The Cowley Branch Line, connecting local communities and key employment areas in the east of the city into the city centre and the wider railway network
- Further ambitions for EWR and other national routes, including opportunities for new direct services to Bristol and Swindon and improved connections with Birmingham, Worcester and the South Coast, faster connections to Heathrow
- More frequent services between Oxford and Banbury, Bicester, Culham, Didcot Parkway and Hanborough"

No sign of a timetable, but a first round of public consultation expected before the end of this year.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 05, 2020, 10:39:46
Good to see this 'beast' lumbering on slowly I suppose.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: infoman on August 05, 2020, 11:03:01
maybe a three mile spur from Culham station to Abingdon for its 40,000 residents?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 05, 2020, 11:24:58
maybe a three mile spur from Culham station to Abingdon for its 40,000 residents?

A spur using the old alignment from Radley would probably be better, but even then you wouldn't be able to get particularly close to the Town centre.  A Waitrose and car park now occupies the former station site, so realistically the closest you could get would be the a station on the current industrial estate on Barton Lane, which is a bit too far out of town, and not much better located than the current station at Radley which is only 1.5 miles away.

A better option IMHO would be to develop Radley further, by stopping the other Oxford<>Didcot service there to give an all-day 30-minute interval service.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on August 05, 2020, 12:16:12
The Oxfordshire Growth Board is currently considering the following enhancements in the Oxfordshire Rail Corridor Study over and above today's normal provision, although how this aligns with that the various railway bodies are doing / can do isn't clear to me. I guess too that some in the 2028 list may supersede 2024.

2024
Didcot-Milton Keynes: 2 tph, call at Culham
Bedford-Oxford: 1tph
Birmingham MS-Oxford: 0.5 tph

2028
Cowley-Marylebone: 2tph
Paddington-Hanborough: 1tph
Didcot-Hanborough: 1tph shuttle, call at Culham
Paddington-Great Malvern: 1tph
Cambridge-Bristol: 1tph
Cambridge-Southampton: 1tph
Birmingham-Bristol (via Coventry/Oxford) 1tph, call at Grove
Birmingham-Oxford (via Solihull): 1tph
Banbury-Oxford: 0.5 tph shuttle, call at Begbroke



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 05, 2020, 12:28:27
I guess we have to acknowledge that ongoing virus issues could completely wipe out any business cases for any schemes that have only reached 'under consideration' status nationwide.  Only those that actually have shovels in the ground or committed funding are looking secure.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: eightonedee on August 05, 2020, 14:34:31
There's a dog here not barking - Reading!

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The Oxfordshire Growth Board is currently considering the following enhancements in the Oxfordshire Rail Corridor Study over and above today's normal provision, although how this aligns with that the various railway bodies are doing / can do isn't clear to me. I guess too that some in the 2028 list may supersede 2024.

2024
Didcot-Milton Keynes: 2 tph, call at Culham
Bedford-Oxford: 1tph
Birmingham MS-Oxford: 0.5 tph

2028
Cowley-Marylebone: 2tph
Paddington-Hanborough: 1tph
Didcot-Hanborough: 1tph shuttle, call at Culham
Paddington-Great Malvern: 1tph
Cambridge-Bristol: 1tph
Cambridge-Southampton: 1tph
Birmingham-Bristol (via Coventry/Oxford) 1tph, call at Grove
Birmingham-Oxford (via Solihull): 1tph
Banbury-Oxford: 0.5 tph shuttle, call at Begbroke


So - why stop the 2024 MK at Didcot when it could go through to Reading, providing connections to Gatwick/Guildford/Elizabeth Line/Kennet Valley/SW Peninsular services, and if it's a "slow", could restore a more frequent full stopping service between Reading and Oxford?

After 2028 - where is the current Cross Country service (2 an hour Oxford-Birmingham via either Solihull or Coventry)? It looks like part only in that list.

And how about a regular Oxford or beyond to Gatwick (assuming of course that we all start flying again?).

However, an hourly Cambridge - Southampton, presumably via Reading is something to look forward to!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on August 05, 2020, 14:38:46
Should have clarified why there is an emphasis on Culham calls in the above; this is because of plans to build houses around the station area; there is no mention at all of changes at Radley at least in what has been published.

There has also been approval and maybe more importance the money secured for a new road & parallel cycleway that would link Culham to Didcot via Appleford more directly than the present country lanes. I fear therefore for Appleford Station calls.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on August 05, 2020, 14:51:37
So - why stop the 2024 MK at Didcot when it could go through to Reading, providing connections to Gatwick/Guildford/Elizabeth Line/Kennet Valley/SW Peninsular services, and if it's a "slow", could restore a more frequent full stopping service between Reading and Oxford?
I think the limited scope is to replace the current Didcot / Oxford shuttle.
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After 2028 - where is the current Cross Country service (2 an hour Oxford-Birmingham via either Solihull or Coventry)? It looks like part only in that list.
They plug into the Midlands Engine Rail plans here which I think in essence would double current Oxford-Birmingham services per hour, ie one extra each on top of the current XC services on each route. The Solihull routed trains would both go to Moor Street. Although the published detail is very sketchy.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on August 05, 2020, 16:11:36
However, an hourly Cambridge - Southampton, presumably via Reading is something to look forward to!

Presume nothing. England's Economic Heartland (See ((here))) (http://www.englandseconomicheartland.com/Pages/home.aspx) Sub National Transport Body includes Swindon through Cambridge.

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What is England's Economic Heartland?

England's Economic Heartland is a strategic collaborative partnership between 11 local transport authorities and four local enterprise partnerships. It provides strategic leadership in the long term planning of the region's strategic infrastructure and services, in order to realise the region's economic potential in a way which improves accessibility and inclusivity, quality of life and the environment. England's Economic Heartland is co-funded by its partners and the Department for Transport.

There are already 2 trains per hour from Oxford to Southampton and with lengthening from 2.5 carriages of standard class to 7.5, that should do for a while - 3 times the capacity and every half hour is enough.  Better provided trains that go right through the sNTB area and don't leave Swindon orphaned from the rest, and better to not dogleg the services at Oxford.  Yes, I know the Cambridge - Bristol and Birmingham - Bristol proposals also go this way, but a 30 minute Cambridge - Sandy - Bedford - Bletchley - Bicester - Oxford - Swindon - Chippenham service, alternate extensions to Corsham - Bath Spa - Bristol and all stations via Salisbury to Southampton would make sense.  Grove to be served by the Birmingham - Bristol service that would reverse at Didcot and be a stopper, and by a call on the Cheltenham Spa IET service.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Hal on August 17, 2020, 14:46:08
Oxford Mail today has details of the latest proposed station upgrade.

https://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/18652746.oxford-train-station-glimpse-future-upgrades-look-like/

It includes demolishing the Youth Hostel to construct a new station entrance on the west side. The YHA would be rebuilt nearby.

Botley Road would be widened and a new railway bridge built.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Visoflex on August 20, 2020, 16:32:37
Whatever happened to the subway?  I presume it was taken out of use when the overbridge was built.  Was it filled in, turned into cable access, or something else?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 20, 2020, 17:07:29
Cable access.  Mind you many years later there was quite a lot of activity down there so perhaps it was filled in, at least partially.


Title: Oxford - first railway station
Post by: grahame on January 08, 2021, 09:23:19
From Southoxford.org (http://www.southoxford.org/local-history-in-south-oxford/interesting-aspects-of-grandpont-and-south-oxford-s-history/the-coming-of-the-railway-to-oxford)

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Oxford's first railway station, in Grandpont, 1844

The Grandpont terminus of the new line was built on what is now the corner of Marlborough and Western Roads. The station (below) was a mainly wooden structure with two tracks and small wagon turntables at the terminus ends. A further three tracks ran alongside serving a large goods shed behind the station. A single track continued 400 yards to the river bank where there was a small loading jetty and a crane. Water for the engines was obtained straight from the Thames and stored within the station area in large barrels, which were manhandled onto the locomotives to fill the tanks.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/grandpont.jpg)


Title: Re: Oxford - first railway station
Post by: bobm on January 08, 2021, 09:51:39
When it opened the station was in Berkshire and although it moved into Oxfordshire in the 1880s it was still close to the border until 1974.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on May 18, 2021, 13:16:43
Last August, the Oxfordshire Rail Corridor Study got a name check in a post in this thread (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=593.msg292376#msg292376), but that's the only reference I can find to it. There is a thread with "Oxford Rail Corridor" in its title, but that's about the track rebuild around Oxford station.

I can't find the report of that study either. It came out in January 2020, possibly followed by a consultation of some kind, but the only things I get on line are references in other bodies' minutes or plans, like this from South Oxfordshire (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjiovSjkNPwAhUNEcAKHeWyBAcQFjABegQIBxAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdemocratic.southoxon.gov.uk%2Fdocuments%2Fb7828%2FOxfordshire%2520Rail%2520Corridor%2520Study%2520-%2520Revised%2520Appendix%25203a%2520and%2520Executive%2520Summary%2520Tuesday%252028-Jan-2020%252014.pdf%3FT%3D9&usg=AOvVaw00_Bd4HVLMGJTvm_bSr5X_). that implies that the Growth Board is hosting it ... but all I can pickup there is this, in a spreadsheet plan:
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Cowley Branch Line

Growth Deal funding will contribute towards complementary development work including a nine-day survey and risk assessment of the level crossings, signal sighting assessments, an assessment of structures and ground investigations for a new bridge span over the river near Oxpens. Initial output definition work for the Oxfordshire Rail Corridor Study has proven that it is technically feasible to reintroduce passenger trains on this freight-only branch line.

The second stage of the Study is now nearing completion with Network Rail identifying likely estimated costs for infrastructure upgrades on the main line south of Oxford station needed to provide extra capacity for an increase in train services, including those that will serve Cowley. A package of further technical work has been agreed to provide more certainty on requirements and a better level of cost maturity, and includes track and signalling design between Kennington and Cowley, analysing topographical survey data and trackbed investigations for new tracks on the branch and over key structures. Outline station design and master planning is also planned to define the type of station, the range of facilities and the land required for each of the new stations to ensure they integrate with the communities they serve and prioritise active travel.

That's dated February 2021, so this Stage 2 appears to follow from the allegedly published study. Finally, what set this off was the following from TransportXtra (https://www.transportxtra.com/publications/local-transport-today/news/68513/dft-adds-oxford-rail-upgrade-to-pipeline-of-enhancements/):
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The DfT is understood to have authorised design work to commence on a programme of rail infrastructure enhancements in and around Oxford.

The proposals have been recommended in the stage two report of the Oxfordshire Rail Corridor Study for the DfT, Network Rail, councils and England’s Economic Heartland.

Stage one of the study, which reported last January, set out aspirations for additional services through Oxford, including extending East West Rail services to Didcot and, in the...

That was dated 6th April 2021, but I see no other news on it. So how does it fit in? Has this lot of studiers been talking to the ones on the North Cotswold Line? 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 19, 2021, 09:38:41
Who knows?  Well, somebody does, but not me!

I miss the Network Rail Control Period enhancements updates we used to get.  Everything seems much more hidden away now.

The driving force might well be East-West Rail as that can’t arrive at Oxford in 2025, assuming no more delays, without further improvements - most importantly platform 5.  Plans are fairly advanced on that, I’ve seen some of them.

How the Cowley branch, Oxford to Didcot capacity, new stations and further Cotswold Line improvement fit into all that, and how many spanner’s the pandemic has thrown into the works, is anyone’s guess!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on May 26, 2021, 09:00:29
Good news and looks like it is finally happening, Oxford Station is to be expanded. :)
https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/boost-to-oxford-rail-travel-following-gbp-69m-funding-confirmation (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/boost-to-oxford-rail-travel-following-gbp-69m-funding-confirmation)

New Western Entrance
New platform
Extra Tracks

No mention of electrification but look at the artists impression.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on May 26, 2021, 09:13:00
Now, hold on there ... what has been announced (and I can't find it from DfT) is:
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The funding will progress the next stage of development work ...
and then ...
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As part of the plans the road network will also be improved near to the station as Botley Road bridge will be replaced and the road lowered to enable standard double-decker buses to pass underneath for the first time. As part of the new design, a four-metre wide cycle/footpath will also be installed on each side to encourage sustainable transport and improve safety.
...
Early consultations about the proposals have taken place with local residents ahead of the plans being formally submitted to Oxford City Council. Further funding is required for the full implementation of the scheme and the Full Business Case for the project will be submitted to DfT later this year, with a decision on final funding expected in spring 2022.

But it is a big step along the way.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Oxonhutch on May 26, 2021, 09:18:15
That deepened road bridge is going to need a reliable set of pumps for when the Isis tops her banks.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on May 26, 2021, 09:19:30
Now, hold on there ... what has been announced (and I can't find it from DfT) is:
Quote
The funding will progress the next stage of development work ...
and then ...
Quote
As part of the plans the road network will also be improved near to the station as Botley Road bridge will be replaced and the road lowered to enable standard double-decker buses to pass underneath for the first time. As part of the new design, a four-metre wide cycle/footpath will also be installed on each side to encourage sustainable transport and improve safety.
...
Early consultations about the proposals have taken place with local residents ahead of the plans being formally submitted to Oxford City Council. Further funding is required for the full implementation of the scheme and the Full Business Case for the project will be submitted to DfT later this year, with a decision on final funding expected in spring 2022.

But it is a big step along the way.
Sorry I was so surprised by the annoucement that I missed that  ;)

But also it says 'Botley Road bridge will be replaced and the road lowered to enable standard double-decker buses to pass underneath for the first time' but last time I looked standard double-decker buses already go under the bridge.
And there is already a western entrance although it is only open during peak hours.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on May 26, 2021, 09:35:11
But also it says 'Botley Road bridge will be replaced and the road lowered to enable standard double-decker buses to pass underneath for the first time' but last time I looked standard double-decker buses already go under the bridge.

There's several standard heights for buses. Two of the commonest are "full" at 4.4 m and "low" at 4.2 m. The bridge is plated at 4.0 m (13'0"), so what goes under it now must be an even lower sort of standard.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on May 26, 2021, 11:45:38
The DfT version of this announcement doesn’t even mention the word Oxford. For some reason they are spinning it as a Southampton to Midlands freight solution.  ???

“…and £69 million of improvements to increase freight capacity between the Port of Southampton and the Midlands will boost economic growth.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/401-million-investment-into-upgrades-to-deliver-brighter-rail-future

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on May 26, 2021, 23:27:06
This is an unusually long-running thread on the same topic, and there are some previous plans for the station rebuild in it. There was a public engagement exercise earlier this year, presenting the latest version of what Network Rail think they are going to do. It looks as if today's announcement does start that Phase 2 programme as described there, even if the postal order sent to NR will need to be followed by some much bigger ones.

There is a presentation as a PDF, and a video (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/?wvideo=zfn69v5jzp) of it as given at the "virtual public meeting".


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on May 27, 2021, 20:06:35
And, for those who think there's a problem with finding a suitable road profile under the new bridge and into Frideswide Square, here's how that was done (https://www.ukconstructionmedia.co.uk/case-study/botley-road-oxford-cassidy-forsythe/). Could it have been done just as easily by drawing it on paper (real or virtual)? I imagine so, but that wouldn't have made a video, would it?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on July 02, 2021, 10:39:37
The Oxford Rail Corridor study has been published, at least in part on the Network Rail Site. Press release here (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/news/future-of-oxfordshire-rail-network-mapped-out-in-new-study/) and summary here (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/) and more detail here (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Oxfordshire-Rail-Corridor-Study-.pdf). Have to wonder though if it has been overtaken by recent events since much of the background appears to be based on the situation in and foreseen from 2018.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on March 10, 2022, 19:00:06
The Transport for Works Order is expected to be signed off before the summer & application to the DfT for funding soon after..


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 16, 2022, 17:50:33
The Transport for Works Order is expected to be signed off before the summer & application to the DfT for funding soon after..

Announced that Kier has won the contract for that (GRIP 5) part of the project:

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/kier-wins-enabling-works-on-oxford-station-upgrade-16-03-2022/


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on March 17, 2022, 10:51:17
Can someone remind me, is the present track layout already designed for the addition of P5, so in principle altering the track and signalling should be a relatively straightforward job?

It will presumably be the Botley Rd bridge and new subway that’s the most significant in terms of possessions?

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 17, 2022, 10:57:34
Yes, that’s right Paul.  Even some of the signals already have route indications into what will become Platform 5.

There are some new high speed S&C’s going in between the Walton Well Road bridge and Oxford North Junction as well, but again, signals are already ready and waiting for that.

The Sheepwash bridge replacement at the north end of the station will be quite a big project, but nothing compared to the Botley Road bridge works.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on March 17, 2022, 11:52:01
Yes, that’s right Paul.  Even some of the signals already have route indications into what will become Platform 5.

There are some new high speed S&C’s going in between the Walton Well Road bridge and Oxford North Junction as well, but again, signals are already ready and waiting for that.

The Sheepwash bridge replacement at the north end of the station will be quite a big project, but nothing compared to the Botley Road bridge works.

I was fairly sure that would be the case;  I also thought you’d posted a track layout including P5 somewhere, but I’m not having much success finding it…

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 17, 2022, 12:25:48
I was fairly sure that would be the case;  I also thought you’d posted a track layout including P5 somewhere, but I’m not having much success finding it…

I’ll try and repost it later.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on March 17, 2022, 12:57:49
I was fairly sure that would be the case;  I also thought you’d posted a track layout including P5 somewhere, but I’m not having much success finding it…

I’ll try and repost it later.

There was this earlier post (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=593.msg125888#msg125888), and an NR presentation (https://www.slideshare.net/ConstructingExcellenceOxford/network-rail-eng-presentation-14-0116-py-final) that's hard to interpret now (not just because it's fuzzy). But I vaguely recall some diagrams showing the phasing more clearly. Maybe that was in another thread, not one of the three I've found?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on March 17, 2022, 16:19:13
Thanks stuving, I didn’t go back searching anything like as far as 2013, to find the “earlier post”, doesn’t time fly... 

I did see that link to an NR presentation but haven’t tried to open it, they seem to want some sort of log-in.



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on March 17, 2022, 17:53:38
Thanks stuving, I didn’t go back searching anything like as far as 2013, to find the “earlier post”, doesn’t time fly... 

I did see that link to an NR presentation but haven’t tried to open it, they seem to want some sort of log-in.

I think an account is required only for download, and there is an in-page viewer. As it's Scribd, you may prefer not to create an account.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on March 17, 2022, 18:26:41
It’s now opening the in-page viewer on my iPad,  it wasn’t an hour ago.  ???


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 20, 2022, 22:36:05
I have a copy of the Signal Plans for this phase of the project.  Can’t share here or distribute them, but happy to answer any questions about the revisions to the track and signalling as a result.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on June 23, 2022, 12:58:33
The Transport for Works Order is expected to be signed off before the summer & application to the DfT for funding soon after..

... but in reality, the TWAO for OSP2 was granted yesterday, published by DfT (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/oxford-corridor-phase-2-transport-and-works-act-order). This is "Land Only", as most of the actual work is permitted development. Some things require a sort of approval (can't be refused) by the planning authority, and wasn't there one for the Botley Road Bridge? Or was that just a plan ... it's easy to get lost following this project!

We did miss Oxford City's approval of the design aspects of the station entrance (https://www.businessinnovationmag.co.uk/city-council-planning-committee-paving-the-way-for-better-rail-connectivity-for-oxford/) last November. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on August 07, 2022, 13:14:43
There was an item last week in the Oxford Mail about a long closure of Oxford (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/20597450.oxford-train-station-botley-road-close-next-summer/?fbclid=IwAR023lXtWe4aSs330f1N77iOtht1owK5MC7dcWGXT_iC-uV_SnzJMsxyByw) station next summer. When looked at more closely, the message is that the real news will be announced at the end of August - which I guess means "don't believe what I've said here".

This is the bit that sounds a bit scary:
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The Botley Road rail bridge will need to be replaced as part of Network Rail’s plans to increase capacity at the station, with this leading to the closure of the road.

While timings on how long the closure will last are unconfirmed, it is believed that it could be approximately three months.

A spokesperson for Network Rail told the Oxford Mail that both Botley Road and the station will be closed next summer, either at the end of July or start of August.

Network Rail says plans are set to be finalised towards the end of this month.

Lines in and out the station are already set to be closed over four weekends in September and October, to allow the second phase of works to increase capacity.

This is currently set for the weekends of September 10-11, 17-18, and 24-25, plus October 1-2.

Now, I'm not sure whether a station being completely closed means no trains through it, or just no passengers. In any case, it does sound  rather extreme. Closing Botley Road for that long perhaps - particularly if, for example, it makes it possible to prop up the railway while a new bridge is built.

At the moment, the 2023 EAS includes a couple of weekend closures in the spring, plus more than a month of Sundays, and a 9-day blockade at the end of July. That presumably is what is being nailed down within NR and the Oxford councils at the moment.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on August 07, 2022, 17:08:29
Reported elsewhere that the Oxford Mail's claim is nonsense: https://twitter.com/OxfordClarion/status/1555468535450816512


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on August 07, 2022, 17:56:51
Usually in these cases the road closure is significantly longer than the rail closure so I am guessing that Botley Road will be closed for 3 months but the rail closures will only be as in the EAS. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on August 07, 2022, 20:35:15
Usually in these cases the road closure is significantly longer than the rail closure so I am guessing that Botley Road will be closed for 3 months but the rail closures will only be as in the EAS. 

Last year, NR were saying even a Botley Road closure of five days would be enough. That was for trundling in a new bridge deck, but I guess the work on the road is not really theirs to do or to make statements about.

The first bit of this phase of work starts next month, with four weekend closures of the railway through Oxford, mainly (I think) to insert new high-speed crossovers.
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Oxford area – weekends of 10/11, 17/18, 24/25 September and 1/2 October

No train services to/from Oxford.

Rail improvement work will affect trains between Didcot Parkway, Oxford and Hanborough.

This work will also affect CrossCountry trains between Banbury, Oxford and Didcot Parkway, plus Chiltern Railways trains between Oxford Parkway and Oxford.
(More details (https://www.gwr.com/~/media/gwr/pdfs/planned-engineering/2022/rail-improvement-work-oxford-area-september-to-october-2022.pdf?la=en))


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on August 07, 2022, 20:56:43
Yes, three high-speed crossovers at North Oxford Junction. Sort of surprised that services to/from the south are completely removed. As both through platforms are totally reversable, I’d have expected the half-hourly fasts PAD/OXF to be anle to run which wiuld have reduced the number of buses.

But I suspect with possible industrial action, getting sufficient buses booked for the whole bustitution was sensible. I wonder now though, should indistrial action take place across any of those weekends, whether the bustitution will still go ahead. They don’t bustitute any other services (understandably)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on August 07, 2022, 22:09:47
Usually in these cases the road closure is significantly longer than the rail closure so I am guessing that Botley Road will be closed for 3 months but the rail closures will only be as in the EAS. 

Last year, NR were saying even a Botley Road closure of five days would be enough. That was for trunding in a new bridge deck, but I guess the work on the road is not really theirs to do or to make statements about.

Having looked at the scale of the work proposed. Reducing the level of the road and widening it. I would be astounded if anyone thought it possible to do it with a 5 day road closure.  I didn't think the road was wide enough to work on half the road with traffic signals.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 07, 2022, 22:22:25
I thought it was several months of cotraflow on Botley Road but only a week or so of full closure.  Same with the rail station.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Electric train on August 08, 2022, 06:42:40
Just remember this is a major civil engineering task, not something that a small excavator and a 5 Tonne dump truck can do inter weave between road traffic.

With the modern methods used bu NR and their contractors a long week ie 10 day blockade of the railway I suspect that can remove the old bridge, excavate the ground and install the new bridge, the road closure I suspect will be of a longer duration to allow for the removal of old road, any services, then to reinstate the road after bridge construction


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on August 17, 2022, 13:23:29
Good news, funding has been approved for the long required upgrades to Oxford Station.
https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/green-light-for-oxford-station-and-railway-transformation-following-gbp-78-6m-funding-confirmation (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/green-light-for-oxford-station-and-railway-transformation-following-gbp-78-6m-funding-confirmation)

Dft state this is worth £161m, not sure how they get to this total as press release only mentions £78.6m + £69m + £10.5 m which totals £158.1m.



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on August 17, 2022, 13:39:42
That announcement confirms the 9-day blockade that was already in the EAS:
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The work to replace the bridge is scheduled to take place between 29 July and 6 August 2023. During this time Botley Road will be closed to through traffic and there will be no train services in or out of the station.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on August 17, 2022, 16:42:20
But possible additional road closure(s) outside those dates - looks as though the bridge will be the final works in the area

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Significant preparation work, including the diversion of utilities, needs to be done by the contractor Kier, who were appointed earlier this year, on Botley Road over the coming months, ahead of the bridge being replaced next year. The work to replace the bridge is scheduled to take place between 29 July and 6 August 2023. During this time Botley Road will be closed to through traffic and there will be no train services in or out of the station. Discussions about the requirement for road closures during the upcoming preparation work are ongoing with Oxfordshire County Council and further information will be announced in the coming weeks.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Mark A on August 18, 2022, 11:47:32
That deepened road bridge is going to need a reliable set of pumps for when the Isis tops her banks.

I think the dip under the existing bridge is drained by a pump and if that's always been the case it's a shame that exactly what was the pump provision in the early days of the line will be something lost to time.

Ah, a map, surveyed 1876, and next to the bridge, a 'Pump room'.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/231278895

The pump room persists on later 25" mapping, though it might have shrunk. Works to replace the Botley Road rail bridge will expose and remove elements of these early installations.

Also, the level crossing there - which until fairly recently was available for use on request from those with overheight vehicles, but increasingly not publicised.

In its last years, the signalling staff no longer being to hand, the notice on the crossing referred prospective users to the station staff should they need to use the crossing. I wonder if the right to use it was actually formally extinguished: it might be an idea for Network Rail to check if that particular 'i' needs to be dotted and 't' crossed.

Google Streetview shows the current state of the eastern approach to the level crossing site, with a lovely survivor in a high profile location: a length of Barlow rail reused as a post.

Click here to see view on Google Streetview (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.7526151,-1.2689893,3a,75y,245.78h,95.91t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMuG566RDJa4BvcS7crTY3A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)

Mark

Edit: Fix link to Google Streetview - Red Squirrel


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 18, 2022, 11:57:18
Also, the level crossing there - which until fairly recently was available for use on request from those with overheight vehicles, but increasingly not publicised.

I don't think it's been used as a crossing for overheight vehicles for at least twenty years, with any such request politely refused, and with works associated with the 2018 resignalling completely blocking it off.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on August 18, 2022, 12:22:44
Also, the level crossing there - which until fairly recently was available for use on request from those with overheight vehicles, but increasingly not publicised.

I don't think it's been used as a crossing for overheight vehicles for at least twenty years, with any such request politely refused, and with works associated with the 2018 resignalling completely blocking it off.

It remained a right of way, despite being a disused level crossing (the wooden road surface having been removed and a step introduced), until the TWAO. Article 15 of the TWAO application was to extinguish that right of way, which I presume was granted (I've not looked). The closing submissions by NR to the public inquiry (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiYlYz0oND5AhVlnVwKHXquAYsQFnoECBUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fgateleyhamer-pi.com%2Ffiler%2Fsharing%2F1639049264%2F11993%2F&usg=AOvVaw0KZicdhj6ZZ-f_vcx409hE) said (p. 24):
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70. Section 5(6) of the Transport and Works Act 1992 provides that a TWA order “shall not extinguish any public right of way over land unless the Secretary of State is satisfied – (a) that an alternative right of way has been or will be provided, or (b) that the provision of an alternative right of way is not required.” The Order does not seek to extinguish any public rights of way, save for Article 15 which stops up the former Oxford Station Emergency level crossing parallel to Botley Road (plot 34) and extinguishes all rights of way over that level crossing. Given that it is a disused level crossing (being both redundant and physically blocked from use on safety grounds) the provision of an alternative right of way is not required. In the County Council’s deed of agreement with NR, the County Council has stated its support for formalising the closure of this redundant level crossing (JDL proof 4.10.4).


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on August 18, 2022, 17:20:04
But possible additional road closure(s) outside those dates - looks as though the bridge will be the final works in the area

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Significant preparation work, including the diversion of utilities, needs to be done by the contractor Kier, who were appointed earlier this year, on Botley Road over the coming months, ahead of the bridge being replaced next year.

If I were planning this job I think I would start by constructing a service tunnel under the line (perhaps where the emergency level crossing was) so that all the utilities could be diverted through that tunnel. I would then have a utility-free bridge site to minimise any possible expensive delays to the main bridge contract. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on August 18, 2022, 17:51:15
But if there are delays in moving the utilities, it would still affect the same lines that go over the bridge in the tunnel under that level crossing?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on August 18, 2022, 21:12:45
But if there are delays in moving the utilities, it would still affect the same lines that go over the bridge in the tunnel under that level crossing?

The idea is you get them all out of the way before you start.  Building a short tunnel (probably by thrust bore) under the level crossing would have no impact on rail or road traffic.  Some impact on road traffic would occur when utilities are diverted through the tunnel. 

The worst delays happen when you have to get utilities in several times during a contract to do several moves as you go on.  The best way is to get them out of the way before you start. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on August 19, 2022, 08:33:00
You can imagine a utility suffers a failure of their equipment under there & network rail won’t suddenly stop all their services to allow the fault to be fixed.

“Sorry, power cut/no water until the weekend when the rail allows us access.”

Or

“Sorry, trains are at a stop until your water company fixes their burst water main. This may be days later”


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on August 19, 2022, 09:21:27
You can imagine a utility suffers a failure of their equipment under there & network rail won’t suddenly stop all their services to allow the fault to be fixed.

“Sorry, power cut/no water until the weekend when the rail allows us access.”

Or

“Sorry, trains are at a stop until your water company fixes their burst water main. This may be days later”

You have completely missed the point of a service tunnel!   The key is in the word tunnel.  It does not require access from the surface it has access at each end. 

If a pipe of cable fails you can pull a new one through!  They are used all over London and in other places where access is difficult.  I know of at least one under the railway in Swindon. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on August 19, 2022, 09:54:50
Cables can’t carry water….


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on August 19, 2022, 12:34:17
Cables can’t carry water….

Correct, but modern water mains (and gas mains for that matter) - unless they are very big - tend to be made of polyethylene which is flexible and can be threaded through tunnels.  Up to about 250mm they come in rolls similar to electricity cable drums and could be threaded through with a short lead-in trench. Larger polyethylene pipes come in length that can be welded together on site and would need a longer lead-in trench. 

The utility tunnel I know of in Swindon carries a sewage pipe under the railway - yes the pipe is threaded through the tunnel. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 05, 2022, 16:20:14

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fb5CUvjXoAEE9fh?format=png&name=small)

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Rail passengers advised to check before using rail services to Oxford at weekends from 10 September to 2 October
Region & Route: Wales & Western | Wales & Western: Western

Network Rail is urging passengers to check before travelling and to plan ahead, with four consecutive weekends of disruption to train services due to start this weekend.

Over the following four weekends – 10 and 11, 17 and 18, 24 and 25 September, as well as 1 and 2 October – there will be no train services in or out of Oxford, between Didcot, Banbury and Hanborough.

During this time, there will be regular buses operating between Didcot Parkway, Oxford station, Oxford Parkway, Banbury and Hanborough. On 10, 11 and 18 September buses will also go onto Leamington Spa. Rail passengers will also be able to use their train tickets on the following local bus services:

2 between Kidlington, Oxford Parkway and Oxford (Stagecoach)
7 between Woodstock, Oxford Parkway and Oxford (Stagecoach)
Connector X2 between Didcot and Oxford (Oxford Bus Company)
City X3 between Abingdon, Didcot and Oxford (Oxford Bus Company)
Connector X32 between Wantage, Didcot and Oxford (Oxford Bus Company)
S3 between Charlbury, Oxford Parkway and Oxford (Stagecoach)
S4 between Banbury and Oxford (Stagecoach)
Passengers wanting to travel directly between London and Oxford can use the Chiltern Railways service that operates between Oxford Parkway and London Marylebone. There will also be regular trains to Bicester from Oxford Parkway. A regular bus service will also be operating between Oxford Parkway and Oxford city centre.

The industrial action announced for 15, 17, 26 and 27 September will also severely disrupt train services, with no services at all on some lines. Passengers should check with the relevant train operator before travelling.

Network Rail has been working closely with its train operator colleagues and partners including the city and county councils, universities, and businesses to ensure passengers are still able to get to their destinations and to help reduce disruption as much as possible.

Over the coming four weekends, Network Rail’s team of engineers will be working to on the railway to create three high-speed crossovers, allowing trains to switch tracks - at Oxford North Junction (between Walton Well Road and Aristotle Lane bridges). This is the first part of Network Rail’s  £161m redevelopment of Oxford station and railway that will see the station expanded with an additional platform and track, and a new western entrance. The three new high-speed crossovers will enable the additional train services for Oxford that are part of this plan.

All travel information and details of the plans for Oxford station can be found at networkrail.co.uk/oxfordphase2

...continues (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/rail-passengers-advised-to-check-before-using-rail-services-to-oxford-at-weekends-from-10-september-to-2-october)
Source: Network Rail


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on September 05, 2022, 16:56:17
Shame the park & ride buses appear to be excluded from that list above!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on September 05, 2022, 17:34:53
Shame the park & ride buses appear to be excluded from that list above!

There might have been logical to include the S6 bus to Swindon


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on September 05, 2022, 17:46:01
Shame the park & ride buses appear to be excluded from that list above!

The service 7 is apparently the Park & Ride Bus from Oxford Parkway. It's been combined with the service to Woodstock.

There might have been logical to include the S6 bus to Swindon

Hmm. I suspect the RRS/Fast service to Didcot plus the train is still quicker than the S6...

I have had it confirmed that you can alight or join these services in & around the city centre, and do not need to travel to the vacinity of the station (unless that's where you are headed)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on October 31, 2022, 11:27:42
More updates from Network Rail https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/oxford-corridor-phase-2#upcoming-work (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/oxford-corridor-phase-2#upcoming-work)

Including the news that Botley Road is likely to be shut for the whole of 2023 to vehicle traffic except for emergency services.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: paul7575 on October 31, 2022, 12:16:19
This must be one of the most consulted and well documented works proposals I’ve ever followed in te forum.

With real work starting next week we must soon be at the stage where the local paper will run scary headlines with a few people objecting on the basis they didn’t know…  ???

Paul


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on October 31, 2022, 12:25:04
It'll be interesting to see how they cope with the loss of the popular park & ride in Botley. Or whether the bus will take a diversionary route.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on October 31, 2022, 12:50:00
Presumably the bus will terminate on the west side of the station, passengers will get out and walk to the other side of the station and, if necessary, get on another bus.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on October 31, 2022, 12:52:56
It could happen, but turning the bus around will be difficult. Mill Street will remain open, but not really suitable for buses


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on October 31, 2022, 13:40:39
The Oxfordshire CC statement says: "it is planned that buses will operate to either side of the closure so those on through-journeys will need to do a short walk and change buses."


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on October 31, 2022, 13:46:07
Do you have a link for that please?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on October 31, 2022, 13:48:22
Oxford Clarion report: https://twitter.com/OxfordClarion/status/1587063276395020291

OCC statement: https://news.oxfordshire.gov.uk/plans-for-botley-road-closure/


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on October 31, 2022, 14:56:53
It could happen, but turning the bus around will be difficult. Mill Street will remain open, but not really suitable for buses
If the cafe at the bottom of Roger Dudman Way is being closed then there could be room to turn buses around there, and they may of course be able to use part of Botley Road as well.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on October 31, 2022, 15:21:16
Thanks for the links above.

When talking to the planning engineer from Keir at the last drop-in event, he referred to turning minibuses around, rather than single/double deckers with shuttles of these running from the park & ride. The road will need to be shut well before Roger Dudman way as that area is the first to be redesigned to allow access to it while work then continues elsewhere.

NR is promising further detail in the middle of November with further drop-in sessions. WE'll need to await that info methinks to get a full picture.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 31, 2022, 15:51:13
I must admit I'm surprised Oxford City Council are prepared to allow such a long full closure of Botley Road to cars.  They cycle and footpath routes are going to be very busy!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on October 31, 2022, 20:17:44
I must admit I'm surprised Oxford City Council are prepared to allow such a long full closure of Botley Road to cars.  They cycle and footpath routes are going to be very busy!
Maybe they will use it as an experiment to see what happens when one of the major routes into Oxford is shut.
After all there aren't really any alternative routes that vehicles from West Oxford can use to get into Oxford with Botley Road shut, as they either have to go north via the A34 to Peartree or south via the Southern Ring Road, both are which are a very long way round.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: TonyN on October 31, 2022, 22:05:30
The Orange army have boots on the ground in Botley Road. Attached photo taken 11am today.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on November 01, 2022, 17:33:49
According to their e-newsletter received today, they are standing practically on top of where they are about to drill a borehole.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Rostock0 on November 06, 2022, 10:42:45
I must admit I'm surprised Oxford City Council are prepared to allow such a long full closure of Botley Road to cars.  They cycle and footpath routes are going to be very busy!

Oxford City Council probably asked for it to be as long as possible. No-one hates their residents more than Oxford City Council. I think the secretary of state for transport ought to step in here, though. Whatever the benefits are delivered by the railway improvements cannot possibly be worth the devastation caused by closing the only road into Oxford from the west for a year.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: DaveHarries on November 06, 2022, 12:59:18
Oxford City Council probably asked for it to be as long as possible.
My thoughts also. If they are anything like Bristol City Council then nothing would surprise me at all. I like going to Oxford for work but given the impending disruption that this will cause I am glad I don't live there!

Dave


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on November 06, 2022, 15:13:00
Oxford City Council probably asked for it to be as long as possible.
My thoughts also. If they are anything like Bristol City Council then nothing would surprise me at all. I like going to Oxford for work but given the impending disruption that this will cause I am glad I don't live there!

Dave

The City Council is planning authority, which deals with the bridge but has little to do with the road underneath it. That belongs to the County, as the local Highway Authority. I'm not sure whether they will be doing some rebuilding of Botley Road outside Network Rail's own project, but they are in any case closely involved with that:
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Oxfordshire County Council, as the local Highway Authority, is a key stakeholder in this project. The scope of the project includes highway works in addition to railway works. Whilst the developer Network Rail proposes to replace its existing rail bridges over Botley Road, it will also address:

    the vehicle headroom issues below the bridges (by lowering Botley Road)
    the historic local flooding incidents (by improving the drainage provisions)
    the Active Travel issues (by providing new pedestrian and cycle ways)

The County Council has supported this project to date, with oversight, and is included in the current Detailed Design stage and Traffic Management Planning for Network Rail’s overall delivery process.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on November 06, 2022, 19:18:17
The bridge needs replacing regardless of the station works. It's sufficiently low that the bus companies need a special fleet of low-profile double-deckers to fit through it, it's unpleasant for pedestrians and downright lethal for cyclists.

The road won't be "closed", of course, just closed to motor traffic. Pedestrians can still get through and so can cyclists (if they dismount). It might make a few people think twice about driving into Oxford, and as a resident of an Oxfordshire town I know there are plenty of people who could take the direct bus, Park & Ride, or train, but don't. There will be those for whom it's a genuine inconvenience, of course, but I believe the improvements to the bridge for non-private car users - and to the railway, of course - will be worth it in the round.

(Oxford is getting a massive new fleet of electric buses in a couple of years... I presume these will be too tall to fit under the old bridge?)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: CyclingSid on November 07, 2022, 07:14:11
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the Active Travel issues (by providing new pedestrian and cycle ways)

I assume that there will be more cyclists using the old Gas Works bridge as the Grandpont bridge will probably still be closed.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 07, 2022, 09:17:27
The City Council is planning authority, which deals with the bridge but has little to do with the road underneath it. That belongs to the County, as the local Highway Authority. I'm not sure whether they will be doing some rebuilding of Botley Road outside Network Rail's own project…

There will be quite a lot of work done on Osney Bridge (on Botley Road over the Thames) as some temporary repairs have been in place for a year or so.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on November 07, 2022, 12:14:32
I must admit I'm surprised Oxford City Council are prepared to allow such a long full closure of Botley Road to cars.  They cycle and footpath routes are going to be very busy!

Oxford City Council probably asked for it to be as long as possible. No-one hates their residents more than Oxford City Council. I think the secretary of state for transport ought to step in here, though. Whatever the benefits are delivered by the railway improvements cannot possibly be worth the devastation caused by closing the only road into Oxford from the west for a year.

Interesting to contrast these two comments. Although IndustryInsider expresses surprise at the length of the closure, they are presumably open to the possibility that the authorities have considered all the options and decided that this is the least worst. Rostock0 on the other hand seems to think they are actively trying to antagonise the people who vote for them.

Which is more likely?

Oxford City Council probably asked for it to be as long as possible.
My thoughts also. If they are anything like Bristol City Council then nothing would surprise me at all. I like going to Oxford for work but given the impending disruption that this will cause I am glad I don't live there!

Dave

My own experience dealing with Bristol City Council (councillors and officers) is that they have an extremely difficult balancing act to perform, on a shoestring budget. I don't envy them. They are very rarely able to make a simple choice between a good and a bad option; they almost always have to choose between a range of options all of which are bad for someone. And they can't just keep things as they are: populations grow, usage and travel patterns change, infrastructure wears out and local and central policies shift for one reason or another.

It takes time and effort to respond to the consultations they put out before starting projects like these, but it's probably the best way to make your voice heard if you genuinely think a mistake is being made. Too late for this scheme though!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on November 08, 2022, 11:50:14
There are updates from both the Coiunty Council Highways & NR this morning

From OCC (https://news.oxfordshire.gov.uk/plans-for-botley-road-closure/)

The updated part
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The council recognises that there would be challenges implementing the six trial traffic filters during the works for the replacement of the rail bridge and the closure of Botley Road as a result. If the council’s cabinet agrees to implement the trial filters, there would be a further recommendation that this should happen after the Botley Road reopens.

And NR (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/oxford-corridor-phase-2/)

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Community drop-in event – Thursday 17 November
The next community drop-in event is due to be held on afternoon of Thursday 17 November at the West Oxford Community Centre on Botley Road.

Members of the project team will be in the Mary Town Room between 13:00 and 17:00.


Title: Oxford station parking
Post by: alan_s on November 17, 2022, 07:50:57
Hi there
I wonder if someone can tell me how much the car park is please? 
If I search on the APCOA app I can find the station but it does say "see platform for discount" so I assume there is a location code on posters beyond the ticket gates that gives a different price. 
The app seems to quote about 30 quid per day, but national rail and GWR website suggest 6.70 ! 
Parking Saturday to Sunday if this makes a difference.
Cheers
Alan



Title: Re: Oxford station parking
Post by: ellendune on November 17, 2022, 08:17:54
Hi there
I wonder if someone can tell me how much the car park is please? 
If I search on the APCOA app I can find the station but it does say "see platform for discount" so I assume there is a location code on posters beyond the ticket gates that gives a different price. 
The app seems to quote about 30 quid per day, but national rail and GWR website suggest 6.70 ! 
Parking Saturday to Sunday if this makes a difference.
Cheers
Alan

You need to pay online using the app or by phone quoting the car park code number. As I understand it is like Bristol Parkway and there are two codes. If you pay using the publicly available code it is very expensive £30.  However once you are on the platform there is a dot matrix sign with another code which if you use that you get to pay the lower amount £6.70.  It is to try and ensure the car park is for rail users only. 


Title: Re: Oxford station parking
Post by: ChrisB on November 17, 2022, 08:41:53
And that code hasn’t changed since introduction!

So anyone who has travelled from there likely knows this code, and can’t be keeping many out these days. I’m almost minded to post it here, in ordee that it might dinally get changed.


Title: Re: Oxford station parking
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 17, 2022, 11:43:57
And that code hasn’t changed since introduction!

So anyone who has travelled from there likely knows this code, and can’t be keeping many out these days. I’m almost minded to post it here, in ordee that it might dinally get changed.

I think it changed daily after introduction, but stopped changing some time ago.  It is now considered so unlikely to change that a semi-fixed display also quotes the number as well as the digital display.


Title: Re: Oxford station parking
Post by: didcotdean on November 17, 2022, 15:24:19
The car park which used at one time to be heaving hardly manages to be a third full these days, at least when I have passed by it on the train. Reduction in commuting plus Oxford Parkway I guess.


Title: Re: Oxford station parking
Post by: alan_s on November 17, 2022, 16:22:29
You need to pay online using the app or by phone quoting the car park code number. As I understand it is like Bristol Parkway and there are two codes. If you pay using the publicly available code it is very expensive £30.  However once you are on the platform there is a dot matrix sign with another code which if you use that you get to pay the lower amount £6.70.  It is to try and ensure the car park is for rail users only. 
Aha, great stuff, thanks for the confirmation.

I don't think Bristol parkway has a separate code now, it's just one high price!!

I remember when the app came out it was billed as the cheapest way to pay, but not now - they even add a 20p admin fee so it costs more than using the ticket machine!! But that's not a discussion for here!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Rostock0 on December 10, 2022, 08:07:31
The Botley Road closure was supposed to start on January 9th, but that's been delayed now.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on December 10, 2022, 10:26:41
First report said that NR weren’t ready to start work on January 9th, further reports said that they were working to reduce the closure time.

Having issued the contract to Keir, it seems as it is they that aren’t ready? And as it’s Keir, presumably not caught yp in the RMT NR disruption?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on December 10, 2022, 10:53:50
First report said that NR weren’t ready to start work on January 9th, further reports said that they were working to reduce the closure time.

Having issued the contract to Keir, it seems as it is they that aren’t ready? And as it’s Keir, presumably not caught yp in the RMT NR disruption?

NR have put a different slant on this:
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Botley Road closure update

Replacing the bridge over Botley Road to facilitate a new platform, western entrance and road improvements is an incredibly complex project, which needs to be completed by the end of 2024 in time for the start of East West Rail services.

With it not only being vital for local transport provision, there are also multiple key utility services connecting to west of the city running both beneath the road and over the top of the bridge. So there are a number of significant challenges to overcome before work on the bridge can start.

We are working with partners to refine our plans for the delivery of the works to enhance the station and do not now need to start the full closure of Botley Road in January.

Part of this review is looking at how to reduce the impact of our work on the local community. Further details will be confirmed in the coming weeks.

Kier have been digging holes, to find out what's where, for a couple of weeks now. They have also been doing their own thinking about how best to organise the work. So I'd guess they have said to NR not only "we need more time for preparation", but also "we don't need such a long road closure if we do it this way...".


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on December 10, 2022, 15:17:16
There's a report due to go into the City Council about the revision on December 14....


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on March 02, 2023, 10:13:19
Now reported by Network Rail that Botley Road will be closed from 11th April until October.

I notice this morning that they have started wrapping the old Youth Hostel in plastic presumably to stop debris/dust etc falling onto the surrounding area.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2023, 10:23:12
Yep, due to be demolished any day now


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on March 02, 2023, 10:30:24
Now reported by Network Rail that Botley Road will be closed from 11th April until October.

This is Oxfordshire's announcement  (https://news.oxfordshire.gov.uk/network-rail-reveals-new-timetable-for-closures-of-oxfords-botley-road/)about the work, which contains links to other sources.
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  • 11 April 2023 to the end of October 2023: Botley Road closure for through traffic for utility diversion work.
  • March 2024 - October 2024: Botley Road closed to through traffic for highway work.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2023, 10:54:43
More concern for rail users are the following rail closure dates, mentioned in the NR press release in one of those limks you refer to -

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29 July to 6 August 2023 – Track work and prep work for new platform – rail services impacted. Alternative travel arrangements and advice will be publicised in advance

and

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August 2024 – Four-day rail closure for bridge replacement.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on March 09, 2023, 16:39:45
Yep, due to be demolished any day now

I notice today that they have started to demolish the Youth Hostel.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on March 09, 2023, 17:00:50
NR have another drop-in session at West Oxford Community Centre (further down Botley Road on the right going away from the station) on Tuesday from 1 till 4pm


Title: Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Post by: ellendune on June 09, 2023, 14:15:02
*From Saturday 29 July until the early hours of Monday 7 August Network Rail will be working to upgrade the track just north of Oxford Station - installing new high speed crossovers. To the south of the station,  Osney Lane footbridge will be modified, moving one of the piers to make way for track layout changes. Work will also be carried out to adjust the coping stones on platforms inside the station.
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Which of the piers are to be moved and where to?  None of them seem to be intruding far into operational railway land at the moment.


Title: Re: Black Bridge, Nuneham: southern abutment failure
Post by: paul7575 on June 09, 2023, 17:44:59
*From Saturday 29 July until the early hours of Monday 7 August Network Rail will be working to upgrade the track just north of Oxford Station - installing new high speed crossovers. To the south of the station,  Osney Lane footbridge will be modified, moving one of the piers to make way for track layout changes. Work will also be carried out to adjust the coping stones on platforms inside the station.

Which of the piers are to be moved and where to?  None of them seem to be intruding far into operational railway land at the moment.
The new down through line (platform 5) alignment starts a short distance south of the footbridge, so the present three tracks under it become four. My money is on the western pier being moved a bit further west.  I’ve subsequently found that’s definitely the case, it’s specifically mentioned in the TWA order inspectors report. 

Not much detail that I can find yet, but the track change extent is shown at the bottom of this drawing:

https://sacuksprodnrdigital0001.blob.core.windows.net/twao-oxford-corridor-phase-2/Environmental%20Statement/Volume%203%20-%20Book%20of%20figures/Ch%2002%20-%20Figure%202.1%20-%20Scheme%20Layout%20and%20Location.pdf

But is this the best place to discuss it, or should the question be moved to the main Oxford station thread?

Paul



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Red Squirrel on June 10, 2023, 16:14:00
Above two posts split from Nuneham Bridge thread and merged here


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Mark A on August 03, 2023, 14:00:39
That deepened road bridge is going to need a reliable set of pumps for when the Isis tops her banks.

I think the dip under the existing bridge is drained by a pump and if that's always been the case it's a shame that exactly what was the pump provision in the early days of the line will be something lost to time.

Ah, a map, surveyed 1876, and next to the bridge, a 'Pump room'.

https://maps.nls.uk/view/231278895

The pump room persists on later 25" mapping, though it might have shrunk. Works to replace the Botley Road rail bridge will expose and remove elements of these early installations.

Ah, 'Tales of the unexpected' emerged during the first half of July....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-66133325

Now wondering what it is they're discovering. Not really much detail in that BBC item, which marks something different to the photos that appear elsewhere. For starters, if the dip beneath the bridge is below the water table, understandable to floor it out with an invert perhaps if only to ease the work if they drained it using something steam-driven.

Mark


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on September 19, 2023, 11:23:05
Network Rail saying the Botley Road bridge will not reopen this winter.

NR said "This project is extremely complex and has been made even more challenging by the extent of the brick arch underneath the road. We’ve explored a number of options to deliver the works which included moving to working around the clock, but unfortunately with needing the infrastructure to be ready by the end of next year we have no choice but to keep the road closed until October 2024. "

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-announces-continuation-of-botley-road-closure-after-unique-challenges-delayed-the-work-this-summer (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-announces-continuation-of-botley-road-closure-after-unique-challenges-delayed-the-work-this-summer)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on September 19, 2023, 19:47:39
What's not at all clear is whether, having extended the work by over 6 months, there is need to work 24/7 beyond the original end date this year of end October. I can't believe that they've got *that* far behind.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on September 19, 2023, 20:03:26
I’d expect 24/7 working to cease as a result.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on September 19, 2023, 20:18:37
so would I, but zero mention of this. Surprisingly, as they really needed a softener for that news. The West Oxford traders are really suffering


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Rostock0 on January 03, 2024, 19:04:21
Seems weird that they discovered new problems as they went along. I mean, it's all above ground and easily inspectable before starting, no?

-> actually I've just seen that the problem was that they discovered an arch underground......


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Mark A on January 04, 2024, 09:17:30
Seems weird that they discovered new problems as they went along. I mean, it's all above ground and easily inspectable before starting, no?

-> actually I've just seen that the problem was that they discovered an arch underground......

It's a lovely illustration of the value of record keeping for underground structures, and the ability of major components to fade from memory once they're removed from the day to day narrative. Given that the builders gave the dip beneath Botley rail bridge a brick invert presumably to hold back the groundwater, and the dip still originally needed a steam-powered pump to drain it, it's surprising in a way that the presence of the brick invert faded from memory to the extent that it had to be rediscovered.

Mark


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on January 04, 2024, 12:03:32
Given that the builders gave the dip beneath Botley rail bridge a brick invert presumably to hold back the groundwater, and the dip still originally needed a steam-powered pump to drain it, it's surprising in a way that the presence of the brick invert faded from memory to the extent that it had to be rediscovered.

Hindsight is the only perfect science.  So the present station opened in 1852 that's over 170 years ago, or over 5 generations. Do you think you are being optimistic about what people might be expected to be remembered if there are no records?

Believe me you can do all the desk studies, reviews of old records, site investigations you like and you will still find surprises when you dig underground. Remember in this case it is almost certain that they could not dig extensive trial holes to locate services - especially those that were not on records. Perhaps there was once an old drawing with this culvert on it or perhaps it was what we used to call 'sort out on site'  with no design drawing ever made.

I have seen drawings which told me detailed construction of a particular tunnelled culvert and even the date (to the day) each section was built, but these drawings are rare and if they did exist are usually lost or thrown away at some point in the past. I have also seen what were thought to be record drawings that did not say whether the proposal was ever built and some did not even identify where they were. 

A famous tunnelling engineer was once asked  what the ideal site investigation was for a tunnel - his replay was to construct a tunnel along the route of the proposed tunnel at twice the diameter!



Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Noggin on January 04, 2024, 18:08:52
One of the best bits of professional advice I received was that if you see a flat piece of ground, ask yourself who flattened it, when and how - because it tends not to happen of its own accord and goodness knows what can lurk beneath.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: CyclingSid on January 10, 2024, 18:55:11
I missed this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-67896885 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-oxfordshire-67896885)

Will this put it back another month?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 10, 2024, 19:50:45
I don’t think so.  The flooding seemed to coincide with the Xmas/New Year shutdown.  The water magically disappeared, sooner than flooding on roads in the nearby vicinity, when the workers returned.  So perhaps the pumps had been switched off during the shutdown?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Mark A on January 11, 2024, 09:19:12
It'll be history now, but, odd, the video, those two blue discharge pipes leading from who knows what submersible pumps beneath the  surface, discharging water... back into the flood.

Mark


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on July 10, 2024, 13:07:06
The project to replace Botley Road Bridge seems to have gone very quiet.

According to NR the bridge is due to be replaced between July 27 and July 31st 2024, and that is less than 3 weeks away. https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/botley-road-bridge-replacement/ (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/botley-road-bridge-replacement/)

I have seen no advertising around replacement bus services and GWR seem to be running a normal train service and there is no mention of engineering works between those dates on their website. https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering (https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering).

So can we assume that this project is running late? And if it is has anyone seen any mention of alternative dates? 

And what is the impact on the opening of Botley Road which is supposed to happen in October 2024?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 10, 2024, 16:03:15
The project to replace Botley Road Bridge seems to have gone very quiet.

According to NR the bridge is due to be replaced between July 27 and July 31st 2024, and that is less than 3 weeks away. https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/botley-road-bridge-replacement/ (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/botley-road-bridge-replacement/)

I have seen no advertising around replacement bus services and GWR seem to be running a normal train service and there is no mention of engineering works between those dates on their website. https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering (https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering).

So can we assume that this project is running late? And if it is has anyone seen any mention of alternative dates? 

And what is the impact on the opening of Botley Road which is supposed to happen in October 2024?

There's plenty of mention of it on that GWR page including:

Oxford area - Saturday 27th to Wednesday 31st July
Track renewal work will affect train services between Oxford and Banbury, plus trains between Oxford and Didcot Parkway on the weekend of 27/28 July.

Replacement buses are planned between:

    Oxford and Banbury (on all dates)
    Oxford and Didcot Parkway (weekend of 27/28 July only)


In addition all the replacement/amended services are loaded into the journey planners and realtimetrains.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2024, 17:24:40
It does seem that the actual bridge replacement is going in over the weekend, as trains appear to run again from Monday in a southbound direction.

The Oxford-Banbury RRS is to do with other unconnected works in the Aynho junction area as there is a total block between Banbury & Bicester Village.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 10, 2024, 17:36:17
It does seem that the actual bridge replacement is going in over the weekend, as trains appear to run again from Monday in a southbound direction.

The Oxford-Banbury RRS is to do with other unconnected works in the Aynho junction area as there is a total block between Banbury & Bicester Village.

That is how it looks, but can it be right? Most of the latest information (including the EAS) is dated several month ago, and relates to a 5-day blockade for the bridge replacement. Doing that civils work, with new track, and running trains after just two days does not sound very likely. And the EAS says the lines south to Appleford are closed until Thursday, while GWR say they are running trains over that line from Monday. In an age of wall-to-wall online news, it's all rather puzzling!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2024, 21:11:31
No one is saying that the extra platform will be completed/operational. Just that the bridge is swapped out & replaced & the lines currently present put back (with a TSO presumably?)

Other bridges have been done with a Friday night - Monday morning closure.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on July 10, 2024, 21:24:17
The Oxford-Banbury RRS is to do with other unconnected works in the Aynho junction area as there is a total block between Banbury & Bicester Village.
I am a bit confused here. The only way between Banbury and Bicester Village is to reverse at Oxford or the Junction east of Bicester. Do you mean Bicester North? 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 10, 2024, 21:25:24
Sorry, yes. The RRS is between Banbury & Bicester Village


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on July 10, 2024, 21:48:36
The project to replace Botley Road Bridge seems to have gone very quiet.

According to NR the bridge is due to be replaced between July 27 and July 31st 2024, and that is less than 3 weeks away. https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/botley-road-bridge-replacement/ (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/botley-road-bridge-replacement/)

I have seen no advertising around replacement bus services and GWR seem to be running a normal train service and there is no mention of engineering works between those dates on their website. https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering (https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering).

So can we assume that this project is running late? And if it is has anyone seen any mention of alternative dates? 

And what is the impact on the opening of Botley Road which is supposed to happen in October 2024?

There's plenty of mention of it on that GWR page including:

Oxford area - Saturday 27th to Wednesday 31st July
Track renewal work will affect train services between Oxford and Banbury, plus trains between Oxford and Didcot Parkway on the weekend of 27/28 July.

Replacement buses are planned between:

    Oxford and Banbury (on all dates)
    Oxford and Didcot Parkway (weekend of 27/28 July only)


In addition all the replacement/amended services are loaded into the journey planners and realtimetrains.

Apologies I got my dates all mixed up, for some reason I thought the 27th was Thursday (which it was in June!!!) and could still see trains running then and on the Friday, which of course is correct.

Anyone good to see the project is still on track (no pun intended).

Could trains be running on the southbound (up) tracks earlier than the northbound (down) tracks because they might be laying the trackwork into what what will be platform 5 and that will be from the down track. Note that the points for access to Platform 5 from south of the station are already in place.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 10, 2024, 22:59:01
No one is saying that the extra platform will be completed/operational. Just that the bridge is swapped out & replaced & the lines currently present put back (with a TSO presumably?)

Other bridges have been done with a Friday night - Monday morning closure.

Two days might do for a two-track span plonked onto the old abutments. But this one is for four existing tracks, and then two more (though I've never been sure whether these would be separate structures). And it will sit on new abutments built inside the existing embankments. So you'd expect that to take longer.

And if two days would be enough, why was it described by NR as needing a five-day closure only four months ago? The lack of any update for that is itself s a bit surprising.

But there's a further puzzle: the lack of progress reports, from NR, Kier, or others, whether photos, videos, or just boastful PR words. Presumably the bridge deck is being fabricated nearby if it's a single rigid structure; if not then installing it piece by piece will take even longer. And building the new abutments: I have no idea how that's being done, so it would be interesting - and not just to me I'm sure - to see a few pictures. Unless it's all been on TikTok and Instagram ...


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Mark A on July 11, 2024, 08:56:36
Vehicle jammed in the Botley Road pedestrian route a few days ago too. Presumably an attempt at a short cut.

Mark

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24435787.oxford-bmw-car-stuck-botley-road-pedestrian-walkway/ (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24435787.oxford-bmw-car-stuck-botley-road-pedestrian-walkway/)


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 11, 2024, 11:41:27
I have found some updates on the station work, under the heading Oxfordshire Connect. However, I've only seen a few uninformative comments about the bridge. However, its posponement will be announced today - here's a pre-announcement (https://s606665.t.en25.com/e/es?s=606665&e=12927&elqTrackId=efd74c1a1b7a40299e524d6e5aa03bea&elq=6eddb381596242f9b5dc384bbe30115a&elqaid=1362&elqat=1):
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Botley Road bridge installation postponed

You will no doubt be disappointed to learn that we have had to postpone the replacement of Botley Road railway bridge that was planned for the end of July.

As you're probably aware, we’ve been working to divert the complex layout of utility pipes and cables under the road, including the sewer system, to make the necessary space for the new bridge layout.

Working on this outdated maze of pipes and cables spread out below the highway, in a severely constrained space, with poor ground conditions and high water levels, has presented significant engineering challenges.

Unfortunately, despite concerted effort by all organisations involved, the work can’t be completed in time to tie in with our planned closure of the railway at the end of this month...

There is a lot more detail  on that page, including links to GWR travel information - but that was already in place, as we know.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 11, 2024, 12:07:59
Network Rail's own press release is here: (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/oxfords-major-rail-and-road-improvement-project-is-progressing-but-more-time-is-needed-before-botley-road-can-reopen)
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Oxford’s major rail and road improvement project is progressing but more time is needed before Botley Road can reopen

Network Rail has confirmed that significant progress is being made on the multi-million-pound programme to upgrade Oxford Station, enhance the railway infrastructure in the area and improve the local transport network, however more time is required to complete the highly complex utility diversion works including mains water and sewer pipes under Botley Road.

The replacement of the railway bridge, which was scheduled to take place at end of this month, has been postponed as, despite concerted effort by all organisations involved, the work to divert the complex layout of utility pipes and cables under the road, including the sewer system, cannot be completed in time. Unfortunately as a result Botley Road, which has been closed under the rail bridge since April 2023, will not now reopen in October as planned. Network Rail and its contractor, Kier, are working with the local authorities to agree the best way forward to complete the project and minimise impact on the city.

Anna Holbrook, industry programme director at Network Rail said: “Although our work is progressing well on most aspects of this major programme, including the construction of the new platform on the western side of the station, the bridge replacement has unfortunately had to be postponed as the work to divert the complex layout of utility pipes and cables under the road, including the sewer system, will not be ready in time. We have informed the councils that Botley Road will not now be able to be reopened in October.  We know how important Botley Road is to Oxford and apologise to local residents and businesses for the ongoing inconvenience. We are working out the best way forward and will continue to engage with the local community as our plans develop.”

Kier and the 11 different utility providers involved continue to make progress on diverting the large number of pipes and cables, including the water main and sewer, which need to be completed before the bridge can be replaced. Working on this outdated maze of pipes and cables spread out below the highway, in a severely constrained space, with poor ground conditions and significant water levels, continues to make this work very challenging.

Once fully complete, the upgrades will result in a bigger and better station, more rail services for passengers and an improved road network near Oxford station with safer junctions, and more space for cyclists and pedestrians through the addition of a four-metre cycle/footway on each side of the main road.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ray951 on July 11, 2024, 12:15:33
The project to replace Botley Road Bridge seems to have gone very quiet.

According to NR the bridge is due to be replaced between July 27 and July 31st 2024, and that is less than 3 weeks away. https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/botley-road-bridge-replacement/ (https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/oxfordshire/botley-road-bridge-replacement/)

I have seen no advertising around replacement bus services and GWR seem to be running a normal train service and there is no mention of engineering works between those dates on their website. https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering (https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering).

So can we assume that this project is running late? And if it is has anyone seen any mention of alternative dates? 

And what is the impact on the opening of Botley Road which is supposed to happen in October 2024?

Well it looks like my hunch was correct in that the project is running late.

That was just based on, as Stuving has pointed out, no recent updates or PR about the new bridge about to be put in place plus having seen the site a couple of weeks ago I couldn't see how it could possibly be ready.

If I was a resident of Oxford, Oxfordshire County Council or Oxford City Council I would be annoyed with NR as this will be the 2nd delay to the project and will presumably increase the cost of the project and there is still no end to the project in sight. To me it looks like poor project management both in terms of the delays and also the communication with stakeholders given they can't actually give a date for when the bridge will be replaced or the project will end.

Will this have an impact on the opening of EWR?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: eightonedee on July 11, 2024, 12:50:08
Sadly, this seems to be a reliable way of judging if a project is going badly.

Compare the regular updates on the Reading Station rebuilding (is this already over 10 years ago!) or the Dawlish seawall works with the diminishing amount of information on the GW Main Line electrification as it "progressed", the fall off in media content from Crossrail as it's progress slipped and from East West Rail with the delay in finalising the route from Bedford to Cambridge. Only HS2 seems to continue to produce material that rises above my information horizon notwithstanding its problems - perhaps in an attempt to gain support for reinstating the next stages, or they have a PR agency that knows how to make the most of some impressive-looking engineering emerging along its route?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 11, 2024, 14:10:30
Lack of records for utilities under a road is hardly the fault of network Rail though, is it? Surely the highway authority is at fault here?


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: eightonedee on July 11, 2024, 18:54:18
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Lack of records for utilities under a road is hardly the fault of network Rail though, is it? Surely the highway authority is at fault here?

Nope!

It is the utility companies in question. Their problem is that they are successors to (often) a succession of predecessor suppliers - local gas, water and electric companies, local authorities (which might have been re-organised or subject to boundary changes during the period they were responsible for the utility supply in question) and statutory authorities following nationalisation in the 20th century. Many of these had patchy/poor/non-existent standards of record keeping.

Added to this, in the process of consolidating records and in making them electronic, many have been mislaid.

The highway authorities might have had records of consents given to the undertakers in question since , but again they have been reorganised several times, and highway responsibility passed from second-tier (district or borough) to first tier authorities in 1974.

Sadly, there are very good excuses for external authorities not having comprehensive records of the location of utility services.

I understand that similar problems relating to the railway's own infrastructure bedevil rail works.   


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 11, 2024, 19:40:07
Note what Network Rail said about "Kier and the 11 different utility providers involved". I can't imagine how there are as many as eleven, even if half of them are fibre operators, but I'm not surprised that coordinating them is difficult. It's probably more difficult than it should be.

You can imagine the meeting (live or Teams) which goes "we've found an old pipe that is is our way, so our work has to be changed and will take a bit longer" - "oh, that means we will have to replan our work,  and then schedule a new time (much later) to do that" - "ah, if we have to delay our work that means ..." etc. etc.

The time allowed looks long enough to an outsider, and given the constraints on booking rail closures NR must have allowed as long as they though it could possibly take plus a bit on top. I don't imagine NR, Kier, and these utilities companies are still all best friends.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 11, 2024, 19:46:33
I don't imagine NR, Kier, and these utilities companies are still all best friends.

Add the various councils, bus operators, road users, et al. This is OCC (https://news.oxfordshire.gov.uk/statement-in-response-to-network-rails-announcement-about-botley-road/?utm_source=Residents&utm_campaign=c1f2ffe0c4-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2024_11_07_YO&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-022585ebdb-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D&goal=0_206c6fb447-c1f2ffe0c4-408156272):
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Statement in response to Network Rail's announcement about Botley Road
Botley Road
11 July 2024

Oxfordshire County Council is extremely frustrated that Network Rail is postponing the replacement of Botley railway bridge at the end of this month and is unable to reopen Botley Road in October as a result. The council is in discussion with Network Rail to understand the implications of this.

Residents and businesses have shown incredible patience with more than a year of disruption to their lives because of this project, which has already had its timetable altered twice before and seen its closure dates extended. We have expressed our deep dissatisfaction to Network Rail and to the Department for Transport about this.

The launch of the council’s traffic filters trial planned to start in November is now in question, with various options being considered as a result. The trial aims to tackle Oxford’s chronic congestion problems and dramatically improve bus journey times. We are calling on and working with Network Rail to find an acceptable solution to this situation quickly.

The council remains incredibly supportive of improvements to the rail station for Oxford with improved capacity for passengers and freight, which is vital for the development of projects such as East West Rail.

In the meantime, we will continue to do all we can to work with partners to minimise the impact on the rest of the road network.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 11, 2024, 20:30:10
If the reason(s) are the same for the dates selected to replace said bridge - BMW holiday shutdown - going forward, then the next opportunity that isn't going to upset BMW too is.....Christmas/New Year holiday...


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on July 11, 2024, 20:45:08
Note what Network Rail said about "Kier and the 11 different utility providers involved". I can't imagine how there are as many as eleven, even if half of them are fibre operators, but I'm not surprised that coordinating them is difficult. It's probably more difficult than it should be.

You can imagine the meeting (live or Teams) which goes "we've found an old pipe that is is our way, so our work has to be changed and will take a bit longer" - "oh, that means we will have to replan our work,  and then schedule a new time (much later) to do that" - "ah, if we have to delay our work that means ..." etc. etc.

The time allowed looks long enough to an outsider, and given the constraints on booking rail closures NR must have allowed as long as they though it could possibly take plus a bit on top. I don't imagine NR, Kier, and these utilities companies are still all best friends.

Another mess caused by the blind ideological insistence on competition in the provision of public services to solve a problem created by privatisation.  


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: Electric train on July 11, 2024, 21:53:04
Note what Network Rail said about "Kier and the 11 different utility providers involved". I can't imagine how there are as many as eleven, even if half of them are fibre operators, but I'm not surprised that coordinating them is difficult. It's probably more difficult than it should be.

You can imagine the meeting (live or Teams) which goes "we've found an old pipe that is is our way, so our work has to be changed and will take a bit longer" - "oh, that means we will have to replan our work,  and then schedule a new time (much later) to do that" - "ah, if we have to delay our work that means ..." etc. etc.

The time allowed looks long enough to an outsider, and given the constraints on booking rail closures NR must have allowed as long as they though it could possibly take plus a bit on top. I don't imagine NR, Kier, and these utilities companies are still all best friends.



Another mess caused by the blind ideological insistence on competition in the provision of public services to solve a problem created by privatisation.  

Are the pre Nationalisation public services pipes and cables exempt?  I suspect there are quite a few pipes and cables dating back before WW2, which may be abandoned and the ownership is unknown and proving they are abandoned and therefore safe to cut may be a challenge 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on July 12, 2024, 08:36:42
Another mess caused by the blind ideological insistence on competition in the provision of public services to solve a problem created by privatisation.  

Are the pre Nationalisation public services pipes and cables exempt?  I suspect there are quite a few pipes and cables dating back before WW2, which may be abandoned and the ownership is unknown and proving they are abandoned and therefore safe to cut may be a challenge 

No but at least there were only 4 possible utility operators (Water Authority, Post office Telephones, Electricity Board, Gas Board) to deal with not 11!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 12, 2024, 09:40:42
Another mess caused by the blind ideological insistence on competition in the provision of public services to solve a problem created by privatisation.  

Are the pre Nationalisation public services pipes and cables exempt?  I suspect there are quite a few pipes and cables dating back before WW2, which may be abandoned and the ownership is unknown and proving they are abandoned and therefore safe to cut may be a challenge 

No but at least there were only 4 possible utility operators (Water Authority, Post office Telephones, Electricity Board, Gas Board) to deal with not 11!

Perhaps there are - and were - more than that, especially if you are doing PR and playing "make the biggest number". If you list utilities as distinct network types, not by owner, you get: gas, electricity, water, foul sewers, road drains, cable TV (that standard location inherited by Virgin Media for fibre), telephone, and then fibre. Functionally, most of these may exist as a local distribution network and trunk connections too, which be operated separately.

But the fibres are unlikely to have been a problem. Last in and closest to the surface, they are easy to reroute on the timescales here. And I doubt they would be in the roadway under the bridge anyway, even long-distance ones.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ChrisB on July 12, 2024, 10:47:43
Functionally, most of these may exist as a local distribution network and trunk connections too, which be operated separately.

But the fibres are unlikely to have been a problem. Last in and closest to the surface, they are easy to reroute on the timescales here. And I doubt they would be in the roadway under the bridge anyway, even long-distance ones.

There are at least 2 trunk fibre networks running under under that bridge as well as a trunk & local water main. The sewer is being rerouted away from the bridge, to pass under the tracks instead as they can't remove/replace it.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on July 12, 2024, 12:14:05

Are the pre Nationalisation public services pipes and cables exempt?  I suspect there are quite a few pipes and cables dating back before WW2, which may be abandoned and the ownership is unknown and proving they are abandoned and therefore safe to cut may be a challenge 

No but at least there were only 4 possible utility operators (Water Authority, Post office Telephones, Electricity Board, Gas Board) to deal with not 11!

Perhaps there are - and were - more than that, especially if you are doing PR and playing "make the biggest number". If you list utilities as distinct network types, not by owner, you get: gas, electricity, water, foul sewers, road drains, cable TV (that standard location inherited by Virgin Media for fibre), telephone, and then fibre. Functionally, most of these may exist as a local distribution network and trunk connections too, which be operated separately.

But the fibres are unlikely to have been a problem. Last in and closest to the surface, they are easy to reroute on the timescales here. And I doubt they would be in the roadway under the bridge anyway, even long-distance ones.


Both Sewers and Water Mains are Thames Water, Trunk and distribution mains are still with the same organisation so I would expect them to use the same contract.  Although Gas Distribution and Gas Transmission are separate I would be extremely surprised if there was a Gas Transmission Main there as there are only about 30 points where the transmission and Distribution networks join in the whole country.  Similarly for the electricity transmission network (though there are a few more interfaces). 

A long way back in this thread I did say that the best way would have been to drive a service tunnel under the railway and divert all the services through that.  If that looked too expensive then I doubt i it does now!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: eightonedee on July 12, 2024, 13:02:10
To add to the list of service companies/contacts-

1 - The sewerage and water supply divisions of Thames Water will be two different business units
2 - There will be highway drains (Oxfordshire County Council) as well
3 - In addition to any commercial fibre companies, it is likely that "JANET" (the Joint Academic Network) has a line through here.
4 - I think that I have read somewhere that there's also a culverted watercourse in the mix - step forward the Environment Agency
5 - Then there will also be the railway's own drains & services. I understand the lack (or loss) of these is one the many reasons for the problems and delays with the GW Mainline electrification.

BTW - I believe that moving fibre cables may not be simple or straightforward either.

I do though agree that combined services cable ducting would be a good idea. It's just that we are about 200 years too late now!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: ellendune on July 12, 2024, 13:44:05
To add to the list of service companies/contacts-

1 - The sewerage and water supply divisions of Thames Water will be two different business units
2 - There will be highway drains (Oxfordshire County Council) as well
3 - In addition to any commercial fibre companies, it is likely that "JANET" (the Joint Academic Network) has a line through here.
4 - I think that I have read somewhere that there's also a culverted watercourse in the mix - step forward the Environment Agency
5 - Then there will also be the railway's own drains & services. I understand the lack (or loss) of these is one the many reasons for the problems and delays with the GW Mainline electrification.

BTW - I believe that moving fibre cables may not be simple or straightforward either.

I do though agree that combined services cable ducting would be a good idea. It's just that we are about 200 years too late now!

For sewerage at least the water company are likely to let the main contractor do the work. 

Common service ducts are quite normal in Germany. 


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: stuving on July 12, 2024, 19:08:23
I do though agree that combined services cable ducting would be a good idea. It's just that we are about 200 years too late now!

You didn't mean this (https://www.yorkshirewater.com/about-us/innovation/fibre-in-water/), did you:
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Fibre in water

March 2022 - We’re doing our research

Our plan is to put the fibre cables into ‘messenger pipes’, which are made from the same material as our new water pipes. The messenger pipes will protect the fibre cables and make sure they don’t touch the water.

But first things first, we need to make sure this is safe for customers. We’ll look into any possible risks and will iron out any potential problems with the design, technology or processes.
 
What’s next?

If the project passes the initial research phase, 17km of fibre-optic cables will be laid in our water pipes between Barnsley and Penistone in 2023. This will be the first time a project like this has been trialled in the UK!

That was done by Yorkshire Water; or rather it wasn't - the study report came out (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65ef1bee3649a26deded6370/fibre_in_water_project_telecoms_and_water_combined_operations_final_report.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiSqv7ZiKKHAxUmQkEAHeK6B18QFnoECD0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Jn0_M-tc7QewZDWn2rz5A) a year late, and while it tried to sound positive the trial won't happen.
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Combining two industries meant there was a lack of clarity when it came to industry approved standards which meant certification became a challenge. An important aspect of using the clean water network is that anything installed within the network first needs Regulation 31 (Reg 31) approval from the DWI. For this project, approvals were needed for the installation method and the finished installed product. At the time of writing, almost 2 years after the TAWCO project was awarded funding, approval for the finished product remains outstanding and subsequently there is a barrier to adoption until this issue is resolved.

In addition to the enabling technology, alignment of the operational processes of two very disparate industries – from design and construction to ownership and operation, including ‘break-fix’ – presented a significant challenge. TAWCO successfully defined aligned processes and as such has created

OK, it was a silly idea, but failing to even spend £5M on an initial trial sounds all to familiar. Fibre in sewer, of course, is a much older technique - you're just supposed to ask first!


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: eightonedee on July 13, 2024, 08:25:24
No. I was referring to the practice of having a continuous reinforced trench laid, mostly in the margin of a road, often under or alongside the footway. This is now quite usual in new developments,  especially larger scale ones.

It's the same idea as practiced in Germany as referred to by Ellendune.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: didcotdean on July 26, 2024, 11:21:06
Network Rail say they 'need more time' before it can say when Botley Road will be reopened as "a review" is now being carried out.

"The review will look at what has been achieved so far, what remains to be done, plus the timescales and budget required. It will also consider options for rescheduling the replacement of Botley Road bridge.

"This is an incredibly complex project, involving multiple organisations, so although we know everyone wants clarity, we are taking the time to get it right.”

(Source: Oxford Mail (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24476757.network-rail-makes-announcement-botley-road-closure/))


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: nickswift99 on August 08, 2024, 15:10:33
Oxford Mail https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24504486.oxford-politician-said-botley-road-shut-end-2025/ (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24504486.oxford-politician-said-botley-road-shut-end-2025/) now reporting that a local councillor has stated that the Botley Road is unlikely to be open until the end of 2025. No official announcement from Network Rail, but I do feel sorry for the residents of Oxford.


Title: Re: Oxford Station - improvements, incidents and events (merged topic)
Post by: grahame on October 15, 2024, 17:22:45
Oxford Mail https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24504486.oxford-politician-said-botley-road-shut-end-2025/ (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24504486.oxford-politician-said-botley-road-shut-end-2025/) now reporting that a local councillor has stated that the Botley Road is unlikely to be open until the end of 2025. No official announcement from Network Rail, but I do feel sorry for the residents of Oxford.

Businesses too ...  from This is Oxfordshire (https://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/24653075.network-rail-will-restore-station-walkway-christmas/)

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Amanda Suliman-Bell, who runs Rainbow & Spoon cafe, complained that footfall had fallen by 90 per cent since the diversion, which guides pedestrians away from the south side of the square.

Earlier this month Mrs Suliman-Bell said she feared she would have to shut the store if the original walkway was not restored in the near future.

She emailed Network Rail and contractors Kier urging them to restore the original pedestrian walkway as soon as possible.

She said in her email: "I have lost 90 per cent of my footfall since you changed the walkway over on July 1 - with absolutely no warning, no announcement, no hint and zero thought as to how it might impact those businesses on the south side of Frideswide Square - indeed the only side of the square where there are businesses."


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on October 15, 2024, 18:02:54
And Network Rail has said that they will reinstate the south-side footway for at least the 5 weeks prior to Xmas.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: Mark A on October 15, 2024, 18:37:03
Having not seen it for some time, the sight of the Botley Road bridge in September came as a surprise. (Photo below...)

Which is the footway that is to reopen please?

Mark

(https://i.postimg.cc/pLsBDFYQ/oxford-botley-road-rail-bridge-september-24-1000.jpg)


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: stuving on October 15, 2024, 18:56:34
Having not seen it for some time, the sight of the Botley Road bridge in September came as a surprise. (Photo below...)

Which is the footway that is to reopen please?

Mark

It's round to the right of your picture. The pre-diversion arrangement is currently on Google Earth (https://earth.google.com/web/@51.75270284,-1.26894605,56.51320404a,425.3602171d,35y,359.99989921h,0t,0r/data=ChYqEAgBEgoyMDIzLTA1LTE1GABCAggBSg0I____________ARAA). Those coming into Oxford under the bridge, or down off the footbridge, would exit (to the right) onto the south side of Frideswide Square. The diversion routes them across Botley Road to the north side of the Square.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: TonyN on October 15, 2024, 21:11:28
I have been to Oxford today. There is now a large hole in Botley road west of the railway between Abbey Road and Mill Street. Pedestrians can walk along the south side of Botley road but not cross over to Cripley Road.
They have to walk along Abbey Road and through Cripley Place to Reach Cripley Road and along the west side of the railway to Jerico.

Buses going to the temprorary bus depot also have to go via Cripley Place. Access to the MIll Street Area for residents only by going round and then being allowed through the work site to cross from Cripley Road to Mill Street.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on October 15, 2024, 21:20:25
The hole is an exploratory hole for a Thames Water connection to their new Water supply pipe. The two original sites were refused at a late stage owing to being too close to the foul sewer. It is these holes (5 in total, this is the third) that is holding up Network Rail's reappraisal of costs & request to DfT for approval of additional funding. Once Thames Water pick their site, Network Rail are saying it would be 9 weeks before a decision is made by DfT.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: grahame on October 19, 2024, 05:28:36
From Ground Engineering (https://www.geplus.co.uk/news/oxford-station-upgrade-trial-holes-drilled-after-complex-utility-diversions-cause-delays-18-10-2024/)

Just part of the story ...

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Oxford station upgrade: Trial holes drilled after complex utility diversions cause delays

[snip]

“There are a number of buried pipes and cables from various different companies, many of are strategically important e.g. water main. The condition of these pipes and cables is varied some abandoned and no clear owner identified,” they said.

Another major challenge is a brick arch that was discovered underneath Botley Road in sum 2023, that was not previously recorded. The arch is believed to be Victorian and was placed t manage water levels. As such, the impact of removing it was unknown.

I don't see anywhere in the article ( member mirror (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/mirror/oxup.pdf) ) a suggestion of a completion date.  Perhaps that is wise as, from my reading, they're at a research stage and don't know what the final outcome will be.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on October 19, 2024, 11:04:27
The trial holes are for connection of the *new* water main. Thames Water refused the original locations from the contractors as they were too close to possible contamination from the foul sewer pipe.

Until Thames Water accept a new location, the date of completion cannot be calculated, nor approval of the final budget approved by the DfT. Once the DfT has approved any of the 3 plans being presented, then the completion date can be worked out. This will take 9 weeks from when Thames Water agree a new location.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: grahame on October 19, 2024, 11:17:10
So 5 weeks to do the boring. Followed by [? how long ?] for Thames Water to work out which location and agree to it, followed by 9 weeks to calculate completion date and get final budget approval.  So we should have an update beyond "dunno when" sometime in the New Year?


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on October 19, 2024, 11:32:58
They have saved a week already with the boring of holes & will complete that next week with the last hole.

Hopefully, Thames Water will select a connection point from one of those holes. ::)

Yes, I suspect you aren't far out, and everything will obviously stop for the Christmas/New Year fortnight.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: stuving on October 19, 2024, 12:01:32
I presume the water utilities are under some kind of legal obligation to cooperate with other land users who want pipes and other things moved. Most commonly this will be a roads authority, since most pipes run under roads. I have not found out where that obligation is defined, or what they can be made to do in terms of speed or anything else. It's hard to believe they can be forced to give this a higher priority than their primary functions, or penalised for taking longer than they "promised".

In this case Thames Water's pipes are being moved primarily for the purposes of lowering the road, a project that takes advantage of the rebuilding of the railway bridge to also widen the road and its side paths. So The county council (and the city too) have their own requirements , as well as the railways' ones, and neither they nor any of the utilities are working for Network Rail - though they will get the costs paid.

So, while Network Rail sits at the top of the whole scheme, can they really be held responsible for when Thames Water's work, or the whole roads element of the  project, gets finished?


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on October 19, 2024, 12:19:46
From what I understand, the Network Rail contractor - Keir - are doing most of the work for all utilities. There aren't 19 utility owners all digging their own channel, for instance.

Once it comes to actually feeding cables through a pipe, or making a connection to a water main itself, then the owner does the work to completion - but otherwise Keir are doing the main works after agreement with the utilities about design/route, etc.

It was Keir that held all the public consultations too - of which various of us did warn them of problems ahead, some of which they have now acknowledged they ignored....


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on November 12, 2024, 21:34:16
From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqlr9ng7k2ko)

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MP to meet transport secretary over station delays

An Oxford MP is set to meet with the transport secretary to discuss delays to work to upgrade the city's rail station.

Layla Moran raised the lengthy delays to the £161m Network Rail project, which has seen Botley Road closed since April 2023, in Parliament on Tuesday.

Transport Secretary Louise Haigh said the situation was not "good enough" and agreed to her request for a meeting.

Network Rail has described the project as "incredibly complex" and said it was "taking the time to get it right".

Ms Moran, the Lib Dem MP for Oxford West and Abingdon, said she was planning to attend a meeting of businesses affected by the works later in the week.

Her office said firms had reported up to a 60% drop in income and many were "deeply concerned" about how the closure would affect trade over Christmas.

Ms Moran said Network Rail's motto seemed to be "move slow and break things" and that it had "mismanaged" the train station upgrade.

She said she previously wrote to Transport minister Lord Hendy, who had agreed to meet with her, but now "seems too busy".

Ms Haigh said she agreed "the situation in Oxford isn't good enough".

She said she agreed with Ms Moran's characterisation of Network Rail and said that was "part of the reason" why it was being abolished.

"I will of course meet with her to discuss how we can improve the situation," Ms Haigh said.

Speaking afterwards, Ms Moran said she looked forward to finding "an acceptable way forward”.

“Network Rail have demonstrated utterly shambolic project management from start to finish, and residents have lost all faith in them to deliver this project," she added.

In a previous statement a Network Rail spokesman said: “We are working with the Department for Transport and local authority partners as we undertake a full review of the programme and will provide an update on timescales for the next steps of the project.

"This is an incredibly complex project, involving multiple organisations, so although we know everyone wants clarity, we are taking the time to get it right."


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: TonyK on November 14, 2024, 17:05:54
It will be interesting to see if the Transport Secretary can do anything to actually help move things forward, or will just complain instead.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: Mark A on November 25, 2024, 18:24:22
From Oxford City Council's full council meeting this evening, source linked below.

"Cllr Upton, responding to a question about the Botley Road bridge closure: '[Network Rail] are not even sure about what the budget envelope that’s remaining is going to cover.' Cllr Rehman’s comment about 'another year of Botley Road closed' is not refuted."


Mark


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Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: CyclingSid on November 25, 2024, 19:26:46
Fills you full of confidence? No doubt traders and residents in west Oxford similarly.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on November 25, 2024, 19:30:55
Well.....other than this Christmas, when it surely can't happen, the next opportunity to replace the bridge itself is in July 2025...so not far off that. Unless of course, the DfT calls a halt to it - but the Chancellor said EWR would be built "in full", and that means enabling 6 tph from Oxford towards Bicester....


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: Noggin on November 26, 2024, 21:31:35
Fills you full of confidence? No doubt traders and residents in west Oxford similarly.

But it's back to the point above - 19-odd contractors for Keir to wrangle, all running services like water, power, sewerage, gas and Internet that people are presumably quite fond of.

And when that's done, there's all the rest of the work for the bridge replacement, not to mention the replacement itself, which will need to be planned a long way in advance. 

And after one missed deadline, are you surprised if NR are somewhat reticent to commit to a time.

To be honest I really can't see what a Government Minister can do to speed things up, other than guarantee the budget or mucking things up by robbing resources from other projects? 


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ray951 on November 29, 2024, 15:30:08
The footbridge across Botley Road that links the car park to the station is being removed over the weekend of 7th and 8th December.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24759905.botley-road-footbridge-will-removed-weekend/ (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24759905.botley-road-footbridge-will-removed-weekend/)

Do we know whether there is a replacement in the plans?



Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on November 29, 2024, 15:45:36
There is - but nothing to say when. The new bridge might be wider than the current one too.

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Marshals will be present to manage the area and direct people via the Osney Lane footbridge as an alternative route during these closures.

For those who need assistance, there will be a transport service available from Becket Street and Mill Street which will run throughout that night shift, between 10pm and 8am.

Well, I wouldn't walk down to that overbridge in the dark, for sure.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on December 14, 2024, 21:47:02
From This Is Oxfordshire (https://www.thisisoxfordshire.co.uk/news/24787427.traders-will-stage-botley-road-protest-minister-visits/)

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Traders will stage Botley Road protest on key Oxford date

Businesses in Oxford are planning a protest to coincide with a visit from rail minister Lord Hendy next month as politicians and traders call for urgent action on the reopening on Botley Road.

Lord Hendy has been warned he will "be walking into trouble if he comes to Oxford empty-handed" as traders demand clarity on when the works will be completed after months of uncertainty.

There have been repeated delays with a £161m scheme to improve the rail station which led to the closure of the key city route at the rail bridge in April last year.

In July, Network Rail said a series of delays with the scheme meant they would not be able to reopen Botley Road as planned in October.

The rail company said a review of the entire project would be conducted in conjunction with contractors Kier and the Department for Transport.

Now Lord Hendy has told Oxford West and Abingdon MP Layla Moran in a meeting that he will visit the city in January to provide an update on the work schedule.

Meanwhile, traders who say their businesses have been harmed by the closure of Botley Road are planning to lobby the minister.

Amanda Suliman-Bell, of Rainbow & Spoon boutique, complained earlier this year that footfall at her shop fell 90 per cent when Network Rail rerouted a walkway, taking customers to the opposite side of Frideswide Square.

Speaking this week, she said: "We were planning a protest in the square for January 11 but when we know the date of Lord Hendy's visit we will coincide it with that so it has more impact.

"It's not just me - shops and businesses across west Oxford and other parts of the city have been badly affected by the Botley Road closure.

"When Lord Hendy visits I expect him to say something concrete and provide a finish date for the project and a date for the reopening of Botley Road."

Julian Le Vay, of residents' group West Oxford Access, has been collecting statements from businesses, and residents with mobility issues, which are being compiled in a book to be published in advance of Lord Hendy's visit.

Mr Le Vay said: "Lord Hendy will be walking into trouble if he comes here empty-handed.

"We don't want just another Network Rail plan - we want the minister to ensure dates are met for the reopening of Botley Road, we want compensation for businesses, and we want an inquiry."

On Tuesday, Ms Moran met Lord Hendy and Network Rail CEO Andrew Haines to discuss the redevelopment of Oxford station and the ongoing closure of Botley Road.

Local business owners report they are experiencing up to a 60 per cent drop in income, she said.

She added that Network Rail apologised in the meeting for their mismanagement of the project.

The rail company has been faced with numerous hold-ups, including the discovery of a Victorian arch under the road, as well as difficulties diverting utility cables.

Ms Moran said she pressed those present on the issues facing local businesses, accessibility for those with mobility issues, and the anger and frustration of all local residents.

The minister confirmed the government’s commitment the project, and assured her he would travel to Oxford in January to meet with key stakeholders and provide a timeline for the works going forwards.

Ms Moran said following the meeting: "The main message from Network Rail and the Minister was 'sorry'. But frankly that is the least they could say.

"Our local community has endured this serious disruption for far too long, and the end is not yet in sight.

“I am pleased Network Rail are acknowledging their failings, and reiterated their commitment to the project."

The MP added: "I pressed hard on the need for support for local businesses, many of whom are struggling and some of whom have already gone under.

"With the second Christmas of disruption fast approaching, extra support is sorely needed.

“Network Rail have demonstrated utterly shambolic project management from start to finish, and residents have lost all faith in them to deliver this project.

"It is up to them now to convince our community they have a credible plan to get this project finished."

Oxfordshire county councillor John Howson said improvements at Oxford station, particularly the creation of a new platform, were vital for East West Rail connections, with trains due to start running between Oxford and Milton Keynes by 2025.

He added: "The pressure is on for the Department for Transport, which has a whole raft of half-finished rail schemes and a Chancellor saying' I need to cut back public expenditure'."

In September, Lord Hendy wrote to council leaders in Oxford to say he was "acutely aware" of the disruption caused by the Botley Road closure.

He assured the councils his officials would "press Network Rail closely as it continues to produce a robust plan for completion of the Botley Road bridge works and the wider Oxford station enhancement project".

The Department for Transport said it was too soon to confirm Lord Hendy's visit.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on January 07, 2025, 20:51:08
From the Oxford Mail (https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24839001.minister-rail-boss-visit-oxford-road-shut-since-2023/)

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Minister and rail boss to visit Oxford road shut since 2023

The Rail Minister and boss of Network Rail will face angry traders when they visit Oxford's Botley Road later this month.

It is now over 600 days since the main route into Oxford was closed in April 2023 for a £161m scheme to upgrade Oxford rail station.

Last year a completion date was given of October but that has since been postponed indefinitely due to complex pipework. Work was previously waylaid by the discovery of a historic arch.

Oxford MP Layla Moran has confirmed that Lord Hendy and Network Rail CEO Andrew Haines will come to Oxford on January 25.

Businesses have already said they are planning a protest to coincide with the visit.

Ms Moran, MP for Oxford West, who had a meeting with the pair in December, said they told her the latest hold up was caused by Thames Water.

"I mean, we really do have a Mexican stand-off of incompetence here," she said.

“What’s happened was Thames Water took 18 months to get back to them to do these exploratory works for the piping. It wasn’t just the rail arch that was the problem.

"They also found that the re-routing of the water and sewage and all that was going to be more complex – fine. But it then took Thames Water a long, long time to come back and start to do that work.

“They have been doing that work over the Christmas break. They are now analysing it, and I was told that on the 25th by then, if not before, we should have a final, definitive completion date."

But she told BBC Radio Oxford: "I mean you know, those sighing at the radio saying, we’ve heard that before, I completely agree with them. We’ve just got to keep the pressure up.”

She said she wanted them to meet businesses and residents to "hear from the people who have been so badly affected by this, what it has done to them, their day to day lives, their livelihoods."

She said she did have some sympathy as it is a very complex project, involving several different firms, and she welcomed improvements on the railway especially as the scheme is a key part of East West Rail.

"We want East West Rail – we want it electrified, that’s a separate campaign – but that’s good for the country, it’s good for Oxford, it’s good for our local economy and it’s good for the station.

“No one, even those worse affected, no one is saying we shouldn’t have done this," she said.

But she added: "I think there is now an acknowledgement that it has been mismanaged.

"And in fact in the meeting we had together Network Rail basically admitted they’d not really done a project like this before.

“They’d cut a few corners at the beginning and not done the exploratory works, hoping that would save time.

"Well, anyone who’s done any massive construction project knows well, you do your exploratory work before you begin so you then come up with a plan that’s actually going to be able to be executed.

“They didn’t do that and they didn’t appreciate the complexity right from the off.

"But that was because they chose not to do those works that would have told them that in order, perhaps, to save money and time.

“So there’s lessons learned everywhere – the main one being from Network Rail’s point of view that they probably shouldn’t have taken on the project themselves.

"It should have been escalated and perhaps managed by the Department [of Transport] directly."

She said there has been "some movement in our discussions" about various aspects of the project.

To give "a hint of the complexity" she said: "In order to get this done at some point they are going to have to shut all rail services that go along that line. Now that’s a really key line, not just for passengers but also for freight.

"In order to achieve that normally it takes months and months and months of planning. What they’ve assured is that when they have to do that closure they are going to expedite it, and that that is going to be absolutely prioritised – which was not the case before.

"Before they were trying to fit it in with everything else.

“They are trying.”

Network Rail said it is continuing to meet businesses and has been running a campaign to support them.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ellendune on January 07, 2025, 21:42:16
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“So there’s lessons learned everywhere – the main one being from Network Rail’s point of view that they probably shouldn’t have taken on the project themselves.

"It should have been escalated and perhaps managed by the Department [of Transport] directly."

I do not believe in starting until all the investigation is done, but with DfT's expertise in managing major engineering projects (so far as I am aware they have none) that would have been an absolute disaster. 

I said at the beginning that they should have constructed a service tunnel under the old level crossing and diverted all the services through that before they started. 


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on January 24, 2025, 12:00:50
Network Rail has announced August 2026 as the new completion date.

NR press release: https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-announces-updated-timeline-for-reopening-of-botley-road-in-oxford

Oxford Clarion report: https://oxfordclarion.uk/clarion-weekly-24-january-2025/

Oxford Mail report: https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24881993.new-date-botley-road-closure-announced-network-rail/


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ray951 on January 24, 2025, 13:26:04
Network Rail has announced August 2026 as the new completion date.

NR press release: https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-announces-updated-timeline-for-reopening-of-botley-road-in-oxford

Oxford Clarion report: https://oxfordclarion.uk/clarion-weekly-24-january-2025/

Oxford Mail report: https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24881993.new-date-botley-road-closure-announced-network-rail/

That is shocking, another 19 months to replace a bridge and add a new platform, it shouldn't have taken that long in the first place never mind the time that it has already taken

Presumably whoever was project managing this project is now looking for new employment.

Given the over runs on this project you have to wonder why anybody would bother investing in the railways in the future, the industry does it self no favours.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on January 24, 2025, 14:31:36
BMW Mini holidays being the problem, along with Network Rail having already notified all 2025 engineering works to TOCs & presumably the Government doesn't want to compensate for adding in another week's closure in August this year.
BMW only has one fortnight's holiday closure each year.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: TonyN on January 24, 2025, 17:07:09
Note that the press release says.

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The new programme will see Botley Road reopen in August 2026

So that is just Botley road. Platform 5 is likley to take some while longer.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on January 24, 2025, 18:15:14
My personal view is that, unless they suspend work on the platform until nearer the time that the bridge goes in, it will not take another 18 months for the platform to be completed (except for the track connection that goes with it). So it ought to be available as a bay platform to the north (EWR?) well before the bridge is complete


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ray951 on January 24, 2025, 21:14:20
BMW Mini holidays being the problem, along with Network Rail having already notified all 2025 engineering works to TOCs & presumably the Government doesn't want to compensate for adding in another week's closure in August this year.
BMW only has one fortnight's holiday closure each year.

I don't understand why the  BMW trains would be an issue as they reverse at Hinksey and don't go anywhere near Oxford station and there are only a couple of trains a day.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on January 24, 2025, 21:20:57
Hinksey yard will be occupied by the bridge works prior to installation, is what I was understanding, thus preventing the BMW shunting taking place.

But I am wrong in one respect - it appears that the 9 day closure is in "early 2026", not in the summer, so presumably finding accommodation with BMW anyway. The road will take till the summer to complete & flood proof after the bridge goes in - so looking good for EWR in May 2026 onwards


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ray951 on January 24, 2025, 21:28:04
My personal view is that, unless they suspend work on the platform until nearer the time that the bridge goes in, it will not take another 18 months for the platform to be completed (except for the track connection that goes with it). So it ought to be available as a bay platform to the north (EWR?) well before the bridge is complete

What surprises me about this whole project, and you can tell I am not impressed, is that it has already been running for nearly 2 years and yet there is still no obvious sign of either Platform 5 or the new west entrance.

Whenever I go past the site there are always loads of people standing around looking bored directing the public through the site, but many fewer working on the  construction of the road/bridge/station. It would be interesting to see the makeup of the costs for this project.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ChrisB on January 24, 2025, 21:32:13
If you went up on to platform 4 & looked over the fence, you can see the progress on the country end of new platform 5.

I agree very little has yet been done about the west entrance & platform 5 south end. they didn't start on the country end two years ago though - maybe 9 months? When the enabling work on Roger Dodman Way was done?


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: stuving on January 25, 2025, 00:26:06
They have been doing the sort of things that usually take up the first half of any station building programme, like moving stuff that would be in the way of a new track or platform. And someone - or something - is keeping an eye on proceedings for you. It's a Leica Nova TM60 monitoring total station, living in a cage on Platform 3. Every few seconds it robotically spins round to look at (I presume) some survey reflectors stuck up on the far side of the station. I guess these are on bits they are afraid might slip down a hole someone has dug in what is (with hindsight) the wrong place.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 25, 2025, 00:38:40
That, or it's R2D2's younger brother.

Sorry.  CfN.  :P



Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: TonyK on January 29, 2025, 16:13:40
That, or it's R2D2's younger brother.

Sorry.  CfN.  :P



R3D3?


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: ray951 on February 20, 2025, 11:07:47
This doesn't seem to have been posted before but a website has been setup by Oxford residents 'annoyed' by the ongoing closure of Botley Road.
https://networkhell.co.uk/ (https://networkhell.co.uk/)

Probably doesn't tell you anything new if you have been following this story closely, but useful to see opinions about this saga from outside the rail industry.


Title: Re: Oxford station - facilities, improvements, parking, incidents and events - merged posts
Post by: Witham Bobby on February 20, 2025, 12:43:00
This doesn't seem to have been posted before but a website has been setup by Oxford residents 'annoyed' by the ongoing closure of Botley Road.
https://networkhell.co.uk/ (https://networkhell.co.uk/)

Probably doesn't tell you anything new if you have been following this story closely, but useful to see opinions about this saga from outside the rail industry.

Grim

No doubt "lessons will be learned" etc blah blah



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