Title: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Ollie on November 16, 2009, 03:50:00 Be aware that due to a problem with a river bridge in the Feltham area trains between Reading and Paddington (HSS) and between Slough and Paddington (L&TV and HSS) may be busier than normal due to First Great Western accepting South West Trains tickets.
More info: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/sa1c9e4a1d1349548b8faaad06961215/details.html Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Mookiemoo on November 16, 2009, 09:25:26 Be aware that due to a problem with a river bridge in the Feltham area trains between Reading and Paddington (HSS) and between Slough and Paddington (L&TV and HSS) may be busier than normal due to First Great Western accepting South West Trains tickets. More info: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/sa1c9e4a1d1349548b8faaad06961215/details.html Twas rather cosy until I got off at Wokingham! Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Rogang on November 16, 2009, 20:37:28 ..and this continues for all of this week at least. Officially, SWT say they hope to 'bridge the gap' (sorry) between Feltham and Staines by next week, but I have a creditable sorce telling me this could go on for a further two weeks on top. Slough-Windsor will remain 3 car until further notice. Reading will be trying to suggest some SWT die-hards go via Basingstoke (FGW have allowed this and the Guildford line on ticket acceptance) to relieve the pressure on Wokingham. SWT have not helped thoughh by changing the bus/rail plan again from tomorrow (forget Virginia Water; think Feltham!)
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Mookiemoo on November 16, 2009, 21:26:35 ..and this continues for all of this week at least. Officially, SWT say they hope to 'bridge the gap' (sorry) between Feltham and Staines by next week, but I have a creditable sorce telling me this could go on for a further two weeks on top. Slough-Windsor will remain 3 car until further notice. Reading will be trying to suggest some SWT die-hards go via Basingstoke (FGW have allowed this and the Guildford line on ticket acceptance) to relieve the pressure on Wokingham. SWT have not helped thoughh by changing the bus/rail plan again from tomorrow (forget Virginia Water; think Feltham!) How does allowing the Guilford line relieve pressure on Wokingham? EVERYTHING goes through there - all it means is that passengers get the Turbos to Guildford rather than getting SWT? Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: eightf48544 on November 16, 2009, 23:10:03 Which River is invoved? Is it the Colne? The Thames Bridges are at Richmond, Staines and Datchet.
I've heard it suggested it might be a landslide whether it's associted with abridge i didn't hear.. Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 16, 2009, 23:26:22 From the Richmond and Twickenham Times (http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/4741523.Updated___Bridge_collapse_sparks_travel_chaos/):
Quote Floods cause travel chaos on train line to Waterloo Commuters faced lengthy delays today after a railway bridge collapsed into a river following heavy rain. Flood damage to the bridge over the river Crane, in Feltham, caused chaos on South West Trains (SWT) services this morning. Part of the London Waterloo line was closed leaving thousands stranded or facing lengthy commutes on replacement bus services. It follows torrential rain and high winds that battered London at the weekend. All South West Trains between Feltham and Waterloo have been cancelled. Trains between Waterloo and Weybridge via Hounslow and Feltham, in both directions, were today being diverted via Wimbledon, and will not serve intermediate stations between Clapham Junction and Staines. Trains will only run between Staines and Weybridge from tomorrow, connecting with other services. Those running from Waterloo to Waterloo, all the way around the Hounslow loop in both directions, will run as normal, meaning stations on this route - Hounslow, Isleworth, Syon Lane, Brentford, Kew Bridge, Chiswick and Barnes Bridge - will have only a half-hourly service. A bus shuttle service will operate between Feltham and Twickenham, and passengers travelling from Hounslow loop stations to Feltham will need to change to shuttle buses at Twickenham, or to route 235 at Isleworth station. Passengers travelling from Hounslow loop stations to Ashford or Staines will need to change to shuttle buses at Twickenham, or to route 235 at Isleworth station then to trains at Feltham. Passengers travelling today from Hounslow loop stations to stations between Egham and Weybridge or Egham and Reading will need to change to shuttle buses at Twickenham, or to route 235 at Isleworth station then to Windsor and Eton trains at Feltham, then to Weybridge or Reading trains at Staines. From tomorrow, passengers travelling from Hounslow loop stations to those between Feltham and Reading or Feltham and Windsor will need to change to shuttle buses at Twickenham, or to bus route 235 at Isleworth station, then to these trains at Feltham. Passengers for Chertsey, Addlestone and Weybridge will also need to travel by these services and change again at Staines. Passengers from Hounslow loop stations or the central Hounslow area can also use bus route 117 to travel to Feltham and to Staines via Lower Feltham. First Great Western trains will accept South West Trains tickets between London and Reading or Windsor. London Buses will accept South West Trains tickets between Feltham, Osterley and Hounslow. London Underground will accept South West Trains tickets between Osterley, Richmond and Central London, or any reasonable alternative route. Passengers wishing to travel between Feltham and Waterloo have been advised to make alternative arrangements, with the recommended bus routes being H25, H26, 90, 285 or 490 to Hatton Cross underground station, then Piccadilly Line train to central London. The disruption is expected to last at least until the end of the week. The collapse of the 100-year-old bridge has sparked fears that passengers could have been in danger of potential disaster for months. A walker said he had noticed a crack developing since a large tree fell across the river in the summer, causing a dam. Simon Butler, 49, of Cygnet Avenue, Feltham, was walking by the bridge this morning when he saw the damage. He said he was told by the engineers that the line could be out of action for up to three months - however on the platform at Staines, commuters were told over a loudspeaker that it would be four weeks. He said: ^There^s engineers, the Environment Agency and all sorts of people down there. I^ve just been down there talking to some of the guys and they said it^s going to be out for three months. Christmas is going to be murder. It^s huge, all of one corner of the bridge has just collapsed into the river. From down on the river bank you can actually see a light up onto the track. I don^t think any trains were derailed, but just how it got discovered would be interesting.^ Mr Butler, who used to work on the railways, said it appeared as though the fast flowing river took out a bottom corner of the bridge, next to Hounslow Heath golf course, during heavy rain on Saturday night. He said a large tree fell across the river in the summer, and he later noticed a small crack developing on the bottom corner of the bridge during his regular walks near the river. He said: ^It was 4ft wide at most, and now a whole section of the bridge has just dropped into the river. Apparently it happened on Saturday night when the rain and the river was at its busiest. When I was down there yesterday, bits were still falling out of it as we watched it, and the danger is there is more rain forecast.^ A spokesman for Network Rail said: ^The railway bridge over the river Crane on the southern edge of Hounslow Heath was damaged over the weekend after heavy rainfall caused the river to swell. Early indications suggest that the increased speed and turbulence of the river washed away some of the foundations of the 100-year-old bridge, damaging the main arch. Network Rail technicians and divers are on site to assess the structure and plans will be put in place to carry out repairs so the railway can be reopened as quickly as possible. No trains will be able to cross the bridge until the repairs have been carried out. Alternative travel arrangements have been put in place so passengers can continue to make their journeys.^ Full details of alternative travel arrangements are available at southwesttrains.co.uk. Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: BBM on November 17, 2009, 09:30:15 This morning at Paddington I noticed an army of people with clipboards counting people alighting from arriving trains. I wonder if they're recording the extra passengers being carried by FGW as a result of the Feltham bridge problems?
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: super tm on November 17, 2009, 10:01:35 More likely in connection with the closure of the circle line from 13 December. From that date it will no longer be possible to get a train from the Paddington circle district line platforms to Baker Street, Kings Cross and Liverpool Street. All passengers for these stations will have to take the hammersmith and city line and a lot more passengers are expected to use the over bridge as a result.
The frequency on the hammersmith and city will double to a train every 5 minutes. Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: eightf48544 on November 17, 2009, 15:09:57 More likely in connection with the closure of the circle line from 13 December. From that date it will no longer be possible to get a train from the Paddington circle district line platforms to Baker Street, Kings Cross and Liverpool Street. All passengers for these stations will have to take the hammersmith and city line and a lot more passengers are expected to use the over bridge as a result. The frequency on the hammersmith and city will double to a train every 5 minutes. Definitely a case of the Chinese curse "may you live in interesting times". Going through Padd yesterday 14 to 16 I did notice that both the sets of stairs are labled with an arrow pointing up on one side and a red no entry on the other the stair treads have green and red risers repectively, The bridge between 13/14 to 15/16 has a temporary tape barrier like they use for queues at airports dividing the footbridge. Fortunately they've made the flow to 15/16 as the right hand side the down onto 16 which will be the main flow of passengers going East so that the main flow of passengers up the stairs will be on platform 15 side which will be the main flow. Previously they had tried to make you go left so down to 15 and up from 16 which never seemed to make sense to me. But the non Circle is going to be interesting missing out one corner. I always thought the corners were the point of the Circle! Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Mookiemoo on November 17, 2009, 15:10:40 circles do not have corners
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: devon_metro on November 17, 2009, 16:04:06 The barriers on the overbridge where the path curves are going to be an absolute nightmare, also, where does one buy LU tickets when arriving? It used to be a nice walk down the steps into the LUL station.
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: paul7575 on November 17, 2009, 17:26:20 More likely in connection with the closure of the circle line from 13 December. From that date it will no longer be possible to get a train from the Paddington circle district line platforms to Baker Street, Kings Cross and Liverpool Street. All passengers for these stations will have to take the hammersmith and city line and a lot more passengers are expected to use the over bridge as a result. More correctly, it will no longer be possible to get a direct train from the Paddington circle district line platforms to Baker Street, Kings Cross and Liverpool Street, after the alterations to the Circle Line. It will still be possible to get a train and change at Edgware Rd, if pax go to the Praed St platforms. Paul Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: JayMac on November 17, 2009, 17:38:41 More likely in connection with the closure of the circle line from 13 December. From that date it will no longer be possible to get a train from the Paddington circle district line platforms to Baker Street, Kings Cross and Liverpool Street. All passengers for these stations will have to take the hammersmith and city line and a lot more passengers are expected to use the over bridge as a result. More correctly, it will no longer be possible to get a direct train from the Paddington circle district line platforms to Baker Street, Kings Cross and Liverpool Street, after the alterations to the Circle Line. It will still be possible to get a train and change at Edgware Rd, if pax go to the Praed St platforms. Paul Or if you are so inclined you can go anticlockwise round the Circle Line from Praed St platform 1. :D Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Electric train on November 17, 2009, 18:10:25 Which River is invoved? Is it the Colne? The Thames Bridges are at Richmond, Staines and Datchet. Not sure exactly which stream or river but I have been told it is a culvert that sunk on Saturday, divers have been down to assess the damage rumors flying around are from "will be fixed this weekend" to "will take 3 weeks" Nothing has been posted on the intra net as yet which surprises meI've heard it suggested it might be a landslide whether it's associted with abridge i didn't hear.. Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: paul7575 on November 17, 2009, 19:39:24 It's the River Crane. Runs through a tunnel, previously a subway, some distance east of the station, and just west of the Royal Mail sorting office, which is at the end of the former marshalling yard
Might have been some sort of scheme to increase the river's capacity, as it drains a fair old area, although Google doesn't show anything up. One suggestion made elsewhere is that they might slew the tracks to the south, onto more solid support... Paul Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: jane s on November 18, 2009, 09:34:47 For a pic of the damage see
http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-news/local-hounslow-news/2009/11/17/no-feltham-to-london-trains-until-christmas-109642-25187632/ This is a real pain for me as I have been using this line on Fridays to get to college. Now I shall have to go via Central London. What really freaks me out though is the thought that I went over that bridge on Saturday evening.....! Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: paul7575 on November 18, 2009, 16:59:41 Unusually, a link to a high quality picture has been provided with the National Rail site's disruptions info:
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/additional_info/Feltham_Bridge_Nov09.JPG (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/additional_info/Feltham_Bridge_Nov09.JPG) Paul Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Electric train on November 18, 2009, 18:10:00 For a pic of the damage see What's even more concerning, if you look at the photo you can see it has recently hand some repair work done to it, would not like to be the project manager or engineer who looked after that projecthttp://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-news/local-hounslow-news/2009/11/17/no-feltham-to-london-trains-until-christmas-109642-25187632/ This is a real pain for me as I have been using this line on Fridays to get to college. Now I shall have to go via Central London. What really freaks me out though is the thought that I went over that bridge on Saturday evening.....! Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: jane s on November 19, 2009, 15:56:24 And they think the line might be open by next week.......?
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: paul7575 on November 19, 2009, 16:24:04 Yes - the intention still appears to slew the tracks (or at least one track) to the south onto the adjacent disused marshalling yard site
The National Rail disruptions page now includes: "Network Rail engineers are working hard to provide a temporary solution which will allow a limited train service to operate from Monday 23 November." Apparently a lot of machinery is heading towards the site for the weekend. Paul Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Lee on November 19, 2009, 19:53:39 From Your Local Guardian: (http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/richmondnews/4749741.Rail_services__to_improve_next_week__after_bridge_collapse/)
Quote from: Your Local Guardian UPDATE: Rail travel advice for rugby fans heading to Twickenham South West Trains (SWT) has drawn up an action plan to help passengers disrupted by a collapsed railway bridge. The rail operator announced today it expects to offer commuters affected by the damaged bridge over the river Crane, in Feltham, an improved service ^at some point next week^. Network Rail engineers have been working on a temporary solution which is expected to allow a limited through service. Meanwhile, lines between Feltham and Whitton and between Feltham and Hounslow will remain closed, affecting routes from Reading to Waterloo via Staines, and from Windsor to Waterloo via Staines. Passengers have been advised to use alternative arrangements until a temporary solution is in place. SWT has revised services for this weekend, and issued special advice for rugby fans travelling to the England v New Zealand international at Twickenham on Saturday. It said eight trains per hour will run directly from London Waterloo to Twickenham, but passengers should be aware that they are likely to be ^extremely^ busy and advised they should allow extra time to get to and from the game. Andy Pitt, managing director of SWT, said: ^The damaged bridge at Feltham has severely disrupted rail services in the Feltham area and we would like to apologise to our customers for the significant disruption they have experienced. ^We have been working hard around the clock, in partnership with our colleagues at Network Rail, to deliver the most comprehensive service we can. ^We have also been working to identify the best and quickest temporary solution for our passengers until the bridge itself can be repaired. ^Network Rail have now advised us that they hope to have a temporary solution in place next week that will allow us to improve the service we can deliver. ^I would like to thank our customers for their patience and our staff for their hard work during what has been a very difficult situation for everyone.^ For details of alternative travel arrangements, visit www.southwesttrains.co.uk Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Not from Brighton on November 20, 2009, 15:36:39 Unusually, a link to a high quality picture has been provided with the National Rail site's disruptions info: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/additional_info/Feltham_Bridge_Nov09.JPG (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/additional_info/Feltham_Bridge_Nov09.JPG) Paul Very interesting, I'd often wondered what was inside those bridges. Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 20, 2009, 17:01:49 There are a couple more pictures in a Rail-News item (http://rail-news.com/2009/11/19/100-year-old-rail-bridge-near-feltham-hit-by-flood-damage/) - one taken from the track, with an NR chap's leg in the picture just giving an idea of the size of the hole! ::) :o
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: paul7575 on November 22, 2009, 16:56:19 Network Rail and SWT reporting normal timetable from tomorrow morning. The NR press release here:
http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=4827&NewsAreaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8 (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseID=4827&NewsAreaID=2&SearchCategoryID=8) includes a picture (large version downloadable) showing that two tracks have been laid, the 'location boxes' on the left of the picture can precisely determine the orientation if you look at an aerial view, they were on the down (south) side of the track beforehand. Three Cheers for the track teams I reckon, should be less crowded at Reading, but probably not tomorrow as no-one will realise... Paul Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: IndustryInsider on November 22, 2009, 17:22:22 Well done to NR for a speedy temporary fix. Ok, they may have been a bit lucky with the layout in the area, but still impressive stuff.
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: johoare on November 22, 2009, 19:12:55 Yes well done.. I'm hoping to travel into London straight from work (Bracknell) on Thursday for an evening out so this is brilliant news.. :D
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: jane s on November 23, 2009, 14:51:22 I'm confused. Is it still going over the same bridge, but a bit to the south, then, or have they built a new bridge, or is there already another one there?
'Cos if it's the first option I for one will still be a bit wary! Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: RichardB on November 23, 2009, 17:43:49 They have diverted the line through the former marshalling yard and over a culvert already there. An ingenious solution. Just as well the marshalling yard hadn't been built on!
http://www.hounslowchronicle.co.uk/west-london-news/local-hounslow-news/2009/11/23/trains-disrupted-by-signalling-problems-109642-25231940/ Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Not from Brighton on November 23, 2009, 22:34:58 Top marks.
Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 02, 2009, 23:34:28 From the RAIB website (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register/091114_feltham.cfm):
Quote The RAIB is carrying out an investigation into the failure of a brick arch that occurred on a bridge over the River Crane, located between Whitton and Feltham stations on the line between London Waterloo and Reading. Late on the night of 14 November 2009 track maintenance staff were asked to inspect the track following reports from train drivers of a dip in the track in the area close to the bridge. On arrival at the eastern end of the bridge, the staff found that a hole had formed under the track used by trains heading towards London. Further inspection by Network Rail revealed that the north-east section of the arch had partially collapsed and track ballast had fallen into the river below. This resulted in the bridge being declared unsafe for the passage of trains in either direction. The route remained blocked to railway traffic for more than a week while the track was diverted over an adjacent parallel bridge. The RAIB^s investigation is independent of any investigations by the safety authority. The RAIB will publish a report, including any recommendations to improve safety, at the conclusion of its investigation. This report will be available on the RAIB website. Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: JayMac on December 03, 2009, 00:34:17 From the RAIB website (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register/091114_feltham.cfm): Quote The RAIB will publish a report, including any recommendations to improve safety, at the conclusion of its investigation. This report will be available on the RAIB website. I look forward to reading the report sometime in 2011. Cynical? Moi? ;D Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: inspector_blakey on December 03, 2009, 00:43:28 Here's an interesting one: back in the "good old days", how long do you think it took to produce a report into the bridge collapse at Glanrhyd, Central Wales Line? This accident was also caused by flooding and claimed the lives of three passengers and the driver.
Report is available at this link http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docSummary.php?docID=397 (http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/docSummary.php?docID=397). So, any idea how long yet? Well, the accident took place 19 October 1987 but the report's dated 31 January 1990, so took well over two years to see the light of day. Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: paul7575 on December 03, 2009, 11:13:16 For a complex report anything around a year is good going. If they are straightforward they are much quicker.
For instance I was reading a report about a fatality on a level crossing, and I think they were checking the visibility after waiting for the very same weather conditions to occur in the vicinity... That sort of thing has to take time. Paul Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 23, 2010, 19:46:15 Oh, Ye of little faith ... ::) ;D
The Rail Accident Investigation Branch have now published their full report (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/100923_R172010_Feltham.pdf) on this incident, on their website: Quote Summary During the evening of Saturday 14 November 2009, the foundations of a Victorian bridge carrying the railway over the River Crane near Feltham in West London failed without warning, causing part of the bridge to subside. The first indication of a problem was a track defect reported by a train driver crossing the bridge on the up line. Track maintenance staff, called to the site, immediately blocked the up line to all traffic when they became aware of a serious defect with the bridge. The down line was blocked shortly afterwards. A total of 21 trains crossed the failing bridge between the first report and closure of the line. There was no derailment and no injuries occurred. The RAIB have made five recommendations to Network Rail concerning the management of structures, and one recommendation to the Environment Agency concerning notification to railway infrastructure owners when obstructions are found against a structure. Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: paul7575 on September 23, 2010, 20:24:32 It's an interesting read isn't it.
Those Victorian engineers definitely seem to have missed a trick with the foundations back in 1858... It seems to me that (as far as they're able to) they hint that the arch might have been partly blocked at the time of the examination by Amey's engineer. Anyone else get that implication on reading it? Paul Title: Re: Some FGW Trains may be more crowded than normal until further notice... Post by: ChrisB on September 24, 2010, 11:46:13 Totally caused by the blockage in the river causing the flow to dig away at foundations....The Envirnment Agency inspector ought to have alerted Network Rail to the problem, and didn't.
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