Title: Looe branch line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged posts) Post by: Lee on August 25, 2007, 16:17:43 After what is believed to be a 98 year gap , a separate ticket office has opened on the Looe Valley Line platform at Liskeard railway station. The ticket office is open Mondays to Fridays until mid September and is run by the non-profit Looe Valley Railway Company , the trading arm of the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership (link below.)
http://www.carfreedaysout.com/shop.pdf Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Andy on October 31, 2007, 13:32:35 The link below (31/10/07) reports on a new scheme to set up a park & ride service on the Looe branch using the freight-only spur at Moorswater, next to the A38. This sounds like a promising initiative which could further increase usage on the Looe branch.
http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144143&command=displayContent&sourceNode=144131&contentPK=18823600&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Conner on October 31, 2007, 14:46:23 Where is the train going to come from though? The St.Ives park and ride requires 2x150's in the summer so I imagine this would have a similar demand.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Andy on October 31, 2007, 15:19:22 Looe is not quite the tourist magnet that St Ives is, so it probably wouldn't need 2x150s. 1x150 + 1x153 would probably be enough.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: devon_metro on October 31, 2007, 16:48:24 And thats another carriage taken away from somewhere else, such as the Paignton branch that during summer if crying out for more carriages ;)
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on October 31, 2007, 17:29:35 Looe is not quite the tourist magnet that St Ives is, so it probably wouldn't need 2x150s. 1x150 + 1x153 would probably be enough. Coupled units are not allowed on the Looe branch, the only exception being a 150 as the coupling between the two cars is semi-permenent, so they could only ever use a 150 or a single 153! (158's aren't allowed down there either)Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Andy on October 31, 2007, 21:10:57 So what is the best solution? Would one 150 be enough?
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: oooooo on October 31, 2007, 22:12:01 The platform at Looe can also only accommodate a two car unit. Would also imagine services would still need to run via Liskeard to provide mainline connections so any service wouldnt even be able to be hourly.
This scheme has been talked about in the past, but would imagine its now more likely to happen than ever as the cement trains for LaFarge at Moorswater appear to of ceased. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on October 31, 2007, 23:11:35 The platform at Looe can also only accommodate a two car unit. Would also imagine services would still need to run via Liskeard to provide mainline connections so any service wouldnt even be able to be hourly. All of the intermediate stations can only just about fit a class 150 in the platform! At Sandplace the front and rear crew doors are off the platform.This scheme has been talked about in the past, but would imagine its now more likely to happen than ever as the cement trains for LaFarge at Moorswater appear to of ceased. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Andy on November 01, 2007, 18:33:31 The following link is to another article on the same subject. From this it emerges that the Park & Ride scheme based at Moorswater would be summer-only and targeted not only at visitors to Looe but also to Liskeard.
http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144143&command=displayContent&sourceNode=144131&contentPK=18838851&moduleName=InternalSearch&formname=sidebarsearch Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on November 07, 2007, 10:27:21 Quote from Insider (link below) :
http://indefenceoffirstgreatwestern.blogspot.com/2007/10/im-back.html "I've been trying to get a word with Julian Crow about this park and ride idea, although I haven't been able to get hold of him lately. I do know, however, that it is something that people have been asking for and it is likely to be very useful as we are trying to promote usage on the Looe line. I'll try and bring you more details when I have them." Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: oooooo on November 29, 2007, 11:15:54 After a gap of over 6 months cement trains resumed to Moorswater yesterday, may hinder any park and ride scheme....
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on December 13, 2007, 16:22:41 I noticed that the Looe is cancelled this afternoon due to traincrew unavailability! Good old Swindon!!!!
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: smokey on December 29, 2007, 15:36:59 This scheme has been talked about in the past, but would imagine its now more likely to happen than ever as the cement trains for LaFarge at Moorswater appear to of ceased. [/quote] Me thinks LaFarge are playing trains again, after upgraging moorswater. If trains aren't running who polished the Rails at Moorswater? Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Btline on December 29, 2007, 16:20:37 Wouldn't this scheme threaten the service from Liskard to Looe. People may just drive to the P&Ride car park and forget about the rail connexion.
What would happen to Combe junction? Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on December 30, 2007, 22:30:52 Wouldn't this scheme threaten the service from Liskard to Looe. People may just drive to the P&Ride car park and forget about the rail connexion. It may inconvinience the two locals that use the line! They're called Sue and Steve!What would happen to Combe junction? Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: devon_metro on December 31, 2007, 09:58:00 Are the trains timetabled to suit them by any chance?
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Btline on December 31, 2007, 14:31:33 Wouldn't this scheme threaten the service from Liskard to Looe. People may just drive to the P&Ride car park and forget about the rail connexion. It may inconvinience the two locals that use the line! They're called Sue and Steve!What would happen to Combe junction? What I really meant was that surely less trains would operate from Liskard, therefore making it harder for people who come by rail to the branch. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Andy on December 31, 2007, 17:27:44 It should be marketed as a park & ride to both Liskeard & Looe, really, I suppose.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: smokey on January 01, 2008, 16:25:30 Me thinks any Park and Ride down in Moorswater area is going to cost Big Bucks.
Two platforms would be the answer so during the Summer months TWO trains could operate the Liskeard Looe service passing at moorswater. Freight traffic can still operate. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on January 11, 2008, 10:58:31 From the FGW website :
Train services between Liskeard and Looe are being disrupted due to a train fault. Short notice cancellations can be expected. Road replacement transport will be in operation. Full service is planned to be reinstated from 11:50 onwards. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: RichardB on January 11, 2008, 20:48:58 There is a good deal of local enthusiasm for a park and ride at Moorswater but, as earlier posters have pointed out, there isn't a nice, easy straightforward scheme.
Firstly, freight would probably need to end (possibly not too much of an issue because, at a guess, it might be able to go elsewhere), then you need to fund a new platform and car park, be able to fund sufficient rolling stock to make a park and ride worthwhile (with platform extension at Looe as well) and finally work out how you are going to make connections between the main line and Looe. On top of this, as mentioned above, you have the issue of coupled stock (apart from Cl150s) not being allowed between Coombe Jn and Liskeard. Last Summer, having a Cl150 instead of a Cl153 largely coped with peak Summer demand and despite the terrible weather, the peak Summer four week period (mid July - mid August) was the busiest in the ten yers I have figures for. We had a shop on the Looe platform (3) at Liskeard last Summer and counted car park spaces at 1PM (pretty much the peak). Even on the sunniest day, the car park wasn't completely full - there were still a handful of spaces left. That car park could be expanded a bit and more spaces created. Doing this and keeping the peak Summer 150 is probably the best answer for, say, the next five/ten years. Making Moorswater work might mean running a Summer Liskeard - Moorswater shuttle, with through passengers changing at Moorswater for the Moorswater - Looe service. I reckon you could run a half-hourly service between Moorswater and Looe and you could pretty much use anything on it if you lengthened the platform at Looe (by anything, I mean four coach DMU/Sprinter or even at a real pinch loco-hauled). As you can see, it is all very knotty and expensive. Would the break in through service be acceptable? I'm not at all sure. That's almost certainly why BR didn't follow their Lelant Saltings success with Moorswater. Richard Burningham Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Jim on January 11, 2008, 21:08:39 We had a shop on the Looe platform (3) at Liskeard last Summer and counted car park spaces at 1PM (pretty much the peak). Even on the sunniest day, the car park wasn't completely full - there were still a handful of spaces left. That car park could be expanded a bit and more spaces created. Doing this and keeping the peak Summer 150 is probably the best answer for, say, the next five/ten years. Of which I visited at least once... Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on January 11, 2008, 21:17:05 There is a good deal of local enthusiasm for a park and ride at Moorswater but, as earlier posters have pointed out, there isn't a nice, easy straightforward scheme. Parry People mover comes to mind for the Liskeard shuttle! Although I do think you are right about expanding Liskeard instead, the timetable for Looe last summer was quite useful with plenty of connections.Firstly, freight would probably need to end (possibly not too much of an issue because, at a guess, it might be able to go elsewhere), then you need to fund a new platform and car park, be able to fund sufficient rolling stock to make a park and ride worthwhile (with platform extension at Looe as well) and finally work out how you are going to make connections between the main line and Looe. On top of this, as mentioned above, you have the issue of coupled stock (apart from Cl150s) not being allowed between Coombe Jn and Liskeard. Last Summer, having a Cl150 instead of a Cl153 largely coped with peak Summer demand and despite the terrible weather, the peak Summer four week period (mid July - mid August) was the busiest in the ten yers I have figures for. We had a shop on the Looe platform (3) at Liskeard last Summer and counted car park spaces at 1PM (pretty much the peak). Even on the sunniest day, the car park wasn't completely full - there were still a handful of spaces left. That car park could be expanded a bit and more spaces created. Doing this and keeping the peak Summer 150 is probably the best answer for, say, the next five/ten years. Making Moorswater work might mean running a Summer Liskeard - Moorswater shuttle, with through passengers changing at Moorswater for the Moorswater - Looe service. I reckon you could run a half-hourly service between Moorswater and Looe and you could pretty much use anything on it if you lengthened the platform at Looe (by anything, I mean four coach DMU/Sprinter or even at a real pinch loco-hauled). As you can see, it is all very knotty and expensive. Would the break in through service be acceptable? I'm not at all sure. That's almost certainly why BR didn't follow their Lelant Saltings success with Moorswater. Richard Burningham Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Jim on January 11, 2008, 21:20:04 There is a good deal of local enthusiasm for a park and ride at Moorswater but, as earlier posters have pointed out, there isn't a nice, easy straightforward scheme. Parry People mover comes to mind for the Liskeard shuttle! Although I do think you are right about expanding Liskeard instead, the timetable for Looe last summer was quite useful with plenty of connections.Firstly, freight would probably need to end (possibly not too much of an issue because, at a guess, it might be able to go elsewhere), then you need to fund a new platform and car park, be able to fund sufficient rolling stock to make a park and ride worthwhile (with platform extension at Looe as well) and finally work out how you are going to make connections between the main line and Looe. On top of this, as mentioned above, you have the issue of coupled stock (apart from Cl150s) not being allowed between Coombe Jn and Liskeard. Last Summer, having a Cl150 instead of a Cl153 largely coped with peak Summer demand and despite the terrible weather, the peak Summer four week period (mid July - mid August) was the busiest in the ten yers I have figures for. We had a shop on the Looe platform (3) at Liskeard last Summer and counted car park spaces at 1PM (pretty much the peak). Even on the sunniest day, the car park wasn't completely full - there were still a handful of spaces left. That car park could be expanded a bit and more spaces created. Doing this and keeping the peak Summer 150 is probably the best answer for, say, the next five/ten years. Making Moorswater work might mean running a Summer Liskeard - Moorswater shuttle, with through passengers changing at Moorswater for the Moorswater - Looe service. I reckon you could run a half-hourly service between Moorswater and Looe and you could pretty much use anything on it if you lengthened the platform at Looe (by anything, I mean four coach DMU/Sprinter or even at a real pinch loco-hauled). As you can see, it is all very knotty and expensive. Would the break in through service be acceptable? I'm not at all sure. That's almost certainly why BR didn't follow their Lelant Saltings success with Moorswater. Richard Burningham Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership Was there not a gap of about 2hours on the Saturday though? Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on January 11, 2008, 21:22:13 In the winter timetable there are a few 1 1/2 - 2 hour gaps!
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Jim on January 11, 2008, 21:23:00 In the winter timetable there are a few 1 1/2 - 2 hour gaps! Was it not the same in the summer then?Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on January 11, 2008, 21:26:39 In the winter timetable there are a few 1 1/2 - 2 hour gaps! Was it not the same in the summer then?Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: oooooo on January 11, 2008, 21:59:49 I think its best to keep it as it is but market it much better. The number of times last summer a group of four people were on the train and when told 'thats ^6 please' gave me ^24... 'No, its ^6 for the four of you', then came the utter amazement. Group save four is ^6 return Liskeard to Looe but to me it always seemed people were expecting to pay more, which means two things. 1) It could be more expensive :> and 2) its not marketed correctly. Where does it say all over Liskeard and the surrounding area that you can park free and take four people to Looe for ^6?? It doesnt!
On three return trips today we carried a total of ten passengers, off peak loadings are dire, as are what should be the 'peak' early morning trains. The commuter/student flow to/from Plymouth has virtually disapeared, shame, probably down to 18 months of a shambolic service. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: RichardB on January 11, 2008, 22:51:23 I think its best to keep it as it is but market it much better. The number of times last summer a group of four people were on the train and when told 'thats ^6 please' gave me ^24... 'No, its ^6 for the four of you', then came the utter amazement. Group save four is ^6 return Liskeard to Looe but to me it always seemed people were expecting to pay more, which means two things. 1) It could be more expensive :> and 2) its not marketed correctly. Where does it say all over Liskeard and the surrounding area that you can park free and take four people to Looe for ^6?? It doesnt! On three return trips today we carried a total of ten passengers, off peak loadings are dire, as are what should be the 'peak' early morning trains. The commuter/student flow to/from Plymouth has virtually disapeared, shame, probably down to 18 months of a shambolic service. Thanks oooo - the Looe fares have been a bugbear of mine for sometime as (and you won't catch me saying this too often) they are too cheap, especially for groups of three and upwards. I was in our office at Looe station one morning last Summer when someone came in and asked for six adults, three children day return to Liskeard. With GroupSave, that is just ^13.00 - cue the same utter amazement as you see. You can never do enough marketing, but we do do a line guide (new edition out in mid February) and, once the Summer timetable begins, timetable leaflets, a leaflet promoting park and ride from Liskeard and a Days Out from Looe and Liskeard leaflet, all widely distributed througout South East Cornwall and further afield (especially the park & ride leaflet and line guide.) All of these mention the GroupSave fare and how cheap it is - to be honest, I think people who see the leaflets just can't believe it. Today was of course a terrible day weather-wise and this morning's cancellation of the service did not help. Deep Winter has always been pretty quiet on the line. We are going to launch a Looe - Plymouth Carnet ticket in the next few weeks to see if we can get some more regular commuters. There will be a free trial too. The commuting connections between Looe and Plymouth are pretty good, especially in the morning. It will be interesting to see what happens. Richard Burningham Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: oooooo on January 11, 2008, 23:32:45 We are going to launch a Looe - Plymouth Carnet ticket in the next few weeks to see if we can get some more regular commuters. There will be a free trial too. The commuting connections between Looe and Plymouth are pretty good, especially in the morning. It will be interesting to see what happens. The return connections are fairly good aswell with the 15:57, 17:25, 18:40 from Plymouth both having minimal connection time at Liskeard. The problem with this is the last two of these are from Paddington and therefore rarely punctual. Most regulars who could get the 17:25 ex Plymouth get the 17:06 Liskeard terminator to guarantee the connection which gives quite a long overall journey time., especially when the 18:0x from LSK to LOO goes into Coombe platform aswell. This is a major bug of mine, why on earth does it go in there? It slows a peak trip down and at this time of year it is pitch black as there is no station lighting. A few years back services werent even allowed to call on request at SKN, CAU, SDP as they had no lighting. So why on earth do we go into COE at gone 18:00 in the pitch dark to change ends?? Ive never understood these timetable planning people. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: smokey on January 12, 2008, 13:26:59 Three Points,
First, All Liskeard-Looe workings should go into Coombe for the Train Crew to change ends AND whilst that happens the Junction points should be operated from Liskeard Box. think how much time that would save EACH trip. Second, When building a Park and Ride at Moorswater, build a platforms with two faces and service from Liskeard to Looe can pass service from Looe to Liskeard in Moorswater. Third, The Line to the Cemet works can still go thourgh Moorswater Platform, No need to Finish Freight so you can build a platform. Freight can go in and out during the Evenings, Nights or Early mornings. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on January 12, 2008, 15:00:46 We are going to launch a Looe - Plymouth Carnet ticket in the next few weeks to see if we can get some more regular commuters. There will be a free trial too. The commuting connections between Looe and Plymouth are pretty good, especially in the morning. It will be interesting to see what happens. Interesting that you hold that view. I remember going to a meeting in Trowbridge (07/11/2006) , where the guest speaker was Andrew Seedhouse of the Government Office Of The South West. I asked him about the following commitment contained in the Franchise Agreement : Quote developing and promoting an interurban network for Cornwall to be known as "Network Kernow" One of my questions was whether Looe-Plymouth commuter traffic would be encouraged as part of this. His reply was : Quote Why bother? Surely it would be easier to drive and go via the Torpoint Ferry? It is heartening that you take a more positive view, and I wish you success with the carnet scheme. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on January 12, 2008, 15:15:22 typical Government person response! Got their head so far up their arse that they can't see that not everybody has a car!
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on March 10, 2008, 07:05:52 From the FGW website :
Line problem between Liskeard and Looe. Train services between Liskeard and Looe are being disrupted due to flooding.Short notice cancellations can be expected. The line between Liskeard and Looe will remain closed until further notice. Replacement road transport will be operating. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Conner on March 10, 2008, 07:53:33 I know why! :D
The weather is absolutely terrible. Listening to the travel report on the radio its going on for about 5 minutes. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: oooooo on March 10, 2008, 10:55:34 Its actually a landslip caused by heavy rain....
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on March 28, 2008, 09:56:40 FGW link.
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=2289 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on May 19, 2008, 08:12:51 Report on the renaming of Coombe & St Keyne stations, including a new sign in the old brown and cream style at Coombe (link below.)
http://thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=133464&command=displayContent&sourceNode=133158&contentPK=20657202&folderPk=78031&pNodeId=133174 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on June 22, 2008, 17:00:41 The following cancellations have been reported, reason given is a train fault :
15:17 Liskeard to Looe due 15:44 15:47 Looe to Liskeard due 16:13 16:26 Liskeard to Looe due 16:53 17:05 Looe to Liskeard due 17:31 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: oooooo on June 22, 2008, 18:57:31 AWS fault on 153368 went locked out of use on rear of 16:38 ex Liskeard to Exeter for attention.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 05, 2008, 21:59:41 "The weekday summer service on the Liskeard to Looe line will now run all year round. First Great Western, which runs the service, said the change followed protests from local campaigners. Twelve trains a day will continue to run on weekdays but there will still be reductions at weekends."
"Julian Crow, First Great Western's general manager for the West of England, said: "The move follows lobbying from the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership's Looe Valley Line Forum, which works to promote the line." See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7598460.stm and http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/Train-timetable-remain/article-307780-detail/article.html Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on October 05, 2008, 00:28:06 From Monday 3 until 1600 on Friday 7 November 2008 buses will be replacing trains between Liskeard and Looe (link below.)
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=3016 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on October 22, 2008, 18:14:24 From the FGW website :
17:58 Liskeard to Looe due 18:28 This train has been cancelled.This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable. 18:33 Looe to Liskeard due 19:01 This train has been cancelled.This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on October 23, 2008, 22:40:10 Thats a laugh, "evening peak" on the Looe! i'll bet at least two passengers, one sheep and three dogs were inconvenienced! ;)
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on October 23, 2008, 22:49:44 It connects out of the 1725 service from Plymouth (which I believe RichardB and the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership are encouraging Looe commuters to use) so it will do for me ;D
Any idea what went wrong, vacman? Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: vacman on October 25, 2008, 14:32:43 Not sure of the circumstances behind that one?
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Lee on January 16, 2009, 09:17:09 Unit appears to have broken down this morning, with "train fault" cited on the FGW website.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: slippy on January 16, 2009, 12:01:22 153380 duff, went empty to Plymouth. 153373 sent empty to Liskeard from Plymouth to resume the Looe service. 153373 was booked to work the 12:55 PLY to GSL......
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2011, 22:00:54 From the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1374982/Britains-best-rail-journey-One-mans-year-30-000-mile-quest.html):
Quote Slow train to HEAVEN: One man's two-year, 30,000-mile quest to find Britain's most enchanting rail journeys The ancient signal clatters down and there^s a friendly wave from the guard. It^s time to climb aboard the little branch-line train, pottering along an idyllic Cornish valley to a perfect seaside fishing village. Here, through the train window, England^s green and pleasant land can be viewed in all her springtime finery. The morning sun is firing up the cherry blossom after the harshest of winters. The sea on the horizon is bathed in the brilliant azure light that can only mean summer is on its way. Aboard the freshly painted carriages, with newly washed windows sparkling in the sun, the tickets are inexpensive and the staff courteous. In the station buffet, a jolly lady serves freshly cooked breakfast. ^Would you like me to stop the train for you at the next halt, sir?^ asks the guard. Surely this must be some nostalgic fantasy. Maybe a Thomas the Tank Engine theme park? Or perhaps a jaded commuter^s Monday morning dream? Shhh! I^m going to let you into a secret. This lovely, little-known railway at the extreme fringe of Britain is as much part of the national rail network as the overcrowded and delayed trains that we have all come to hate. Rip-off fares, unexplained delays, broken toilets, irritating announcements and indigestible catering on our national rail system have all become part of the lexicon of modern British life. But not everywhere. I came across the Liskeard-Looe line ^ and many other secret delights of our often-maligned rail system ^ during a 30,000-mile odyssey around Britain to find the best rail journeys in the land, as the 50th anniversary of the infamous Beeching Report approaches. There are few love affairs more intense than that of the British with their railways. As a nation we invented the passenger train, and pride in the great heroes of the Railway Age ^ Stephenson, Trevithick, Brunel ^ runs through our national DNA. Yet somehow, it always seems to go wrong. No more so than back in 1963 when a plump, balding physicist with an authoritarian moustache and an obsession with the bottom line took an axe to a third of Britain^s rail network. Richard Beeching had been recruited from the chemicals firm ICI to produce his infamous report, The Reshaping Of British Railways, and his proposals were draconian. Most ^stopping^ trains ^ those that made slow progress through numerous small stations ^ would be discontinued. Some 2,350 stations would be shut, along with 5,000 miles of track. No area would be spared. Almost all of Devon, Lincolnshire, Cumbria, Wales and the Highlands of Scotland would be robbed entirely of their passenger train services. The arguments about Beeching still rage on half a century later. Did he deploy his brilliant scientific background to drag an inefficient nationalised industry out of the steam age and into the modern era? Or was he, as the Daily Mail columnist Quentin Letts claimed in a recent book, a ^foolish slasher-and-burner^, who dumped our railway heritage into the bin, like cold leftovers? Either way, the wounds are still raw. Fortunately for most of us, the Evil Doctor^s brutality did not always prevail, and like the villagers of Titfield in the famous Ealing comedy The Titfield Thunderbolt, communities across the land rose up, fought back and frequently won. Branches such as the Liskeard to Looe line won a last-minute reprieve. Today many of the loveliest railway journeys across the most scenic and historic landscapes of Britain are still with us, to be enjoyed for the price of an often inexpensive day return. ... Perhaps, though, we should not be over-sentimental, given the many frustrations facing modern-day rail travellers. The train company that operates the delightful branch lines of Devon and Cornwall is the very same one that runs what are officially the most overcrowded trains in Britain. I squeezed onto the notorious 07.42 from Reading to London Paddington, which regularly carries 300 passengers more than it is designed for. As one commuter observed: ^There are regulations for transporting sheep and cattle with enough room ^ why not for us?^ In my travels around the network, I encountered other annoyances. Train company websites can be so complex that you need a degree in computer science to get the cheapest fares. I^ve witnessed heartless ticket collectors who mug old ladies with hefty penalty fares when they have left their railcards at home. I have been dumped with heavy luggage in the middle of nowhere to continue my railway journey by bus because of ^over-running engineering works^. And why is it that the buffet car still always seems to close before trains heading north from London have reached Watford? But none of this should be allowed to dim the joy of slow trains as an unrivalled means of getting to the heart of our beautiful land. As the days become longer and the sun gets higher, I^ll be back aboard those little carriages, rumbling through spectacular mountains and pretty seaside villages, through gritty industrial landscapes and gently rolling hills, where there are always new pleasures to be discovered through the train window. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on April 08, 2011, 22:15:43 A nice article/review rather spoiled by the author's pandering to what he thinks the Daily Mail readership will want to read about the state of Britain's railways.
Oh, and very surprising to see a list of 'enchanting rail journeys' that doesn't include the West Highland Line. :D Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 08, 2011, 22:20:41 I did warn our readers that it was a Daily Mail article ... ::) :o ;D
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: inspector_blakey on April 09, 2011, 03:29:09 Anyone would think that Mr Williams had another book to peddle or something... ;)
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: devon_metro on April 10, 2011, 10:55:28 A good article, however I feel looking at the definition of mugging might be useful for the author.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on April 10, 2011, 21:05:16 Signal......what signal..............there are none on the Looe branch except Distant, Stop and Level Crossing signs ::)
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on April 10, 2011, 22:44:44 i always thought there was a set for between coombe junction and liskeard?
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on April 11, 2011, 12:29:29 I think I know which signal he is referring to it's on one of the main platforms and you walk underneath it to get to the looe platform
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Tim on April 11, 2011, 15:20:54 i always thought there was a set for between coombe junction and liskeard? There is a "guard-worked" set of points opertaed at a ground frame and a cabinet containing signalling eqipment (or maybe just a token) at the junction, but IIRC no signal. There is a traditional signal box at Liskard on the main line though and as Relex109 says when you walk from the London bound mainline platform to teh branch platform you walk under an old signal for mainlien trains. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 11, 2011, 17:59:37 I think I know which signal he is referring to it's on one of the main platforms and you walk underneath it to get to the looe platform Yes - isn't it the signal we have discussed previously, in another topic - see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=4143.msg34791#msg34791 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on April 12, 2011, 13:32:29 Is this the one?
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/relex109/5027970288/) (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4084/5027970288_d0ccac0303.jpg) Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: RichardB on April 12, 2011, 13:38:01 Thanks for this, Chris. A nice bit of publicity in the Daily Mail, well timed too.
Hope Michael's new book does well. Of the FGW branches, as well as the Looe line, it also includes the Tarka Line to Barnstaple. Bit of poetic licence re the signal........ Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 11, 2012, 21:31:05 From the Plymouth Herald (http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Coastal-path-train-line-collaboration-launched/story-16052074-detail/story.html):
Quote Coastal path and train line collaboration launched A new scheme encouraging people to walk along the South West Coast Path and use a local train line will launch on Monday. The large scale promotion, a collaboration between the South West Coast Path team, Looe Town Council and the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership, encourages people to take the train to Looe and walk the South West Coast Path from Looe to Polperro. Included in the promotion are 35,000 leaflets, station posters, a new map board at Looe station, more map boards in the town and improved signage of the South West Coast Path through Looe. John Slater, from the South West Coast Path team, said: "This is one of a number of a number of great opportunities around the coast to encourage walkers to explore the South West Coast path using the local train service." Funding for the project has come from the Rural Development Programme for England and the Designated Community Rail Development Fund, backed by the Department for Transport, Network Rail and the Association of Community Rail Partnerships. The new map board at Looe train station will be unveiled on Monday morning. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 16, 2012, 22:31:55 From the Western Morning News (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/board-rail-campaign-spells-walking-options/story-16097014-detail/story.html):
Quote All a-board... rail campaign spells out walking options A new campaign to encourage people to board the train down a scenic Cornish valley to the South West Coast Path has been launched. The Looe Valley line is being promoted by the South West Coast Path team, Looe Town Council and the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership. Some 35,000 leaflets are being distributed through tourist information centres and First Great Western stations as far afield as London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads. (http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/images/localpeople/ugc-images/275776/Article/images/16097014/3783445.png) From left: John Slater from the South West Coast Path team, Rebecca Catterall of the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership and Councillor Edwina Hannaford pictured with the new map board Map boards have been installed at Looe station and in the town, along with improved signing of the coast path. Cornwall Councillor Edwina Hannaford, who represents Looe West and Lansallos, said: "The South West Coast Path and the Looe Valley line are two of our area's unique selling points. Linking them both is a winning combination." "This is a great project and we are delighted to have worked with the South West Coast Path team and Looe Town Council to make it happen," added Rebecca Catterall, from the Devon and Cornwall Rail Partnership. It's a real win-win which we are sure will bring many more visitors to Looe using the scenic Looe Valley line." Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 17, 2012, 13:05:50 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19971316):
Quote Storms and high tides spark South West flooding (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63537000/jpg/_63537351_63535083.jpg) Businesses in Looe suffered from tidal flooding Some coastal areas of Cornwall and Devon have been affected by flooding after high tides and stormy weather. Incidents reported included tidal flooding in Looe and Mevagissey in Cornwall. Other incidents included flooded roads and a fallen tree. The Met Office issued a yellow "be aware" warning of rain and wind from midnight until 06:00 BST for parts of Devon, Cornwall and Somerset. The Environment Agency has numerous flood warnings in place. The Environment Agency said strong westerly winds, combined with some of the highest tides of the year, could lead to high sea levels and spray coming over sea walls. Low-lying coastal roads, farmland and isolated houses could be vulnerable to flooding, but the agency has also warned of the possibility of more significant problems. Incidents reported in Cornwall included: - Widespread tidal flooding in Looe, which saw a Spar shop, two restaurants, a fish market and some roads affected. The water later receded - The Ship Inn in Mevagissey suffering about 4 ins (10cm) of flooding. Some other village businesses also confirmed flooding, but the water later receded - The village bridge in Tresillian, near Truro, flooding - Flooding and surface water over part of Causeway Road in Hayle as a result of high tide and storm surge - A tree falling at Praze-an-Beeble, near Camborne - The cancellation of the 08:30 BST Scillonian ferry service between Penzance and the Isles of Scilly because of adverse weather - Trains suspended between Liskeard and Looe due to flooding. First Great Western is to use road transport instead Looe Harbourmaster Geoff Penhaligon said that, in some parts of West Looe, water was "all over the place". He said: "A couple of restaurants in West Looe, it was quite high there. It was quite deep at the back of the fish market. There were also a couple of restaurants affected, with some beer barrels floating about." In Devon, high tides in Bideford flooded part of the Clarence Wharf car park, and strong winds and tides caused high sea levels along Paignton's seafront. Exmouth's Esplanade was closed due to flooding between St Andrews Road and Carlton Hill. Environment Agency teams have been checking flood defences and closing tidal gates ahead of the high tides, and it has warned people to be careful driving or walking along the coast over the next few days. People should be particularly careful on exposed areas, where there is a risk of being swept away by waves or being hit by debris thrown up by waves, the agency added. Last week, heavy rain caused severe flooding in the north Devon coastal village of Clovelly - which villagers claimed was the worst they had experienced in 50 years. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 02, 2012, 00:49:00 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cornwall-20565444):
Quote Cracks on Looe landslip road assessed by engineers Cracks have appeared on one of two roads affected by landslips in Cornwall. The landslips in Looe, believed to have been caused by days of heavy rain, blocked the A387 at Sandplace Road and the B3253 at St Martin's Hill. Traffic light control at St Martin's Hill - the main route from Looe to Plymouth - is allowing single-file traffic through. The cracks have appeared on the B3253 near the landslip. "I was up there yesterday and you can see the cracks in the road, so it's single file traffic and yes, it's difficult," Looe Harbour Master Jeff Penhaligon, told BBC News. Rob Andrew, chair of the multi-agency flood recovery group, said with more rain forecast for Sunday and Monday, work was under way to prevent more even more damage. "The cracks are being sealed and sandbags put over them to stop rain the water getting in and causing further problems," he said. Cornwall Council has warned the temporary repairs which are being carried out could take several days to complete. It said engineers were currently assessing the damage and when these investigations had been completed, work would begin to undertake permanent repairs and stabilise the roads. This would be "carefully planned" to maintain local access and public transport, it added. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: grahame on December 21, 2012, 16:09:59 Liskeard to Looe
Due to flooding, Train Services on this route are suspended for the remainder of today and are likely to remain suspended until December 27th at the earliest. Rail Replacement Coaches are in operation on this route. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Southern Stag on December 21, 2012, 16:13:43 Not that much of a surprise. The line has been taking a hammering every time it's rained heavily but it's usually only been closed for a day or two.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 31, 2012, 22:33:44 From First Great Western JourneyCheck:
Quote Line problem: between Liskeard and Looe. Owing to flooding between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked. Train services running through these stations may be cancelled at short notice. Disruption is expected until 09:55 01/01. The train service is expected to commence on Tuesday 1st January 2013 with the 09:58 Liskeard to Looe and return working 10:32 Looe to Liskeard. Replacement Road transport will be in operation until the end of service on Monday 31st December 2013. Message Received: 31/12/2012 21:34 I think they mean Monday 31st December 2012 - but good news, anyway! :) Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 01, 2013, 14:52:11 Problems continue, though - from First Great Western JourneyCheck:
Quote 14:28 Liskeard to Looe due 14:56 This train will be cancelled. This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable. Message Received: 01/01/2013 13:28 14:57 Looe to Liskeard due 15:25 This train will be cancelled. This is due to a member of train crew being unavailable. Message Received: 01/01/2013 13:28 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 31, 2014, 17:18:45 From First Great Western JourneyCheck:
Quote Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe Owing to flooding between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled at short notice. Disruption is expected until 23:59 31/01. Due to flooding we are unable to run the train service between Liskeard and Looe in both directions. The service will remain suspended for the rest of the day. Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Liskeard and Looe in both directions until further notice. This may not be to train times. Last Updated: 31/01/2014 17:11 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 01, 2014, 17:15:16 An update, from First Great Western JourneyCheck:
Quote Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe Owing to flooding between Liskeard and Looe all lines are blocked. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled at short notice. Disruption is expected until 10:30 03/02. Flooding along the line between Liskeard and Looe means we are unable to run trains in either direction. It is expected that the line will remain closed until 10:30 on Monday 03 February 2014. Replacement road transport services are conveying passengers between Liskeard and Looe in both directions until further notice. This may not be to published train times. Last Updated: 01/02/2014 15:37 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: bobm on June 04, 2014, 20:22:53 Had an explore down the Looe Branch at the weekend - seems the weedkilling train needs to pay a visit...
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/looe1.jpg) St Keyne Wishing Well Halt (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/looe2.jpg) Causeland Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: AMLAG on June 04, 2014, 21:14:11 Regrettably the lack of weedspraying (so far this year) as found on the Looe Branch is typical; certainly in the South West with the exception of the Exeter/Salisbury line and most Private Railways, of the appallingly negative impression given to passengers (& rail staff) of the state of track maintenance by "Network Rail - maintaining your Railway". 'One year's seed is seven years' weed' is the saying of country folk. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on June 04, 2014, 21:33:58 Am I alone in thinking that a green and grassy permanent way on a picturesque branch line actually adds to the scene rather than detracts from it?
Overgrown lineside vegetation, on the other hand, does annoy me. Often blocks the view. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Timmer on June 04, 2014, 21:35:45 Am I alone in thinking that a green and grassy permanent way on a picturesque branch line actually adds to the scene rather than detracts from it? No you are not alone in thinking that as I was looking at those pictures thinking the very same thing.Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Red Squirrel on June 04, 2014, 21:38:04 Am I alone in thinking that a green and grassy permanent way on a picturesque branch line actually adds to the scene rather than detracts from it? No you are not alone in thinking that as I was looking at those pictures thinking the very same thing.Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: ellendune on June 04, 2014, 21:59:45 What's the downside to the weeds? The ballast is en engineering structure that further spreads the load from the sleepers to the sub-grade (the natural soil) below. The spreading of the load reduces the stress on the sub-grade to a level that is less than the strength of the soil. The open texture of the ballast also keeps the sub-grade dry. With the weeds comes soil that fills the voids and stops the drainage. With most soils the wet strength of the soil is less than the dry strength. The extent of this varies with the soil (clay soils are particularly bad in this respect). As a result the soil that forms the sub-grade fails and the track starts to subside. If it gets too bad the train will derail. Not so pretty! Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on June 04, 2014, 22:08:46 Thank-you for that excellent answer ellendune.
Engineering over aesthetic. Makes perfect sense. I'll now reverse my opinion and add to the calls for the Network Rail weedkilling train to make a visit to the Looe Branch. Perhaps they can get a gang to cut back the lineside vegetation while they're at it. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: alexross42 on February 20, 2015, 09:05:04 http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Trains-replaced-taxis-flooding-affects-route-Looe/story-26057032-detail/story.html (http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Trains-replaced-taxis-flooding-affects-route-Looe/story-26057032-detail/story.html)
Presumably this is from an exceptionally high tide - On the upside, the Liskeard to Looe line is now double track............ Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Pb_devon on February 20, 2015, 09:35:22 I dispair with the Herald, and registered my displeasure some years ago by cancelling my daily order. Doesn't seem to have had much effect though!!
Interesting that they are still running trains to Sandplace. Makes the taxi cost much less, I guess. PS: high tide is 0629 today and very high (5.8m) Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: stuving on February 20, 2015, 09:41:01 Presumably this is from an exceptionally high tide - On the upside, the Liskeard to Looe line is now double track............ There has been quite a bit about high tides in France - with the predicted tidal coefficients making the national news. This months springs are unusually high (116/118 today at Roscoff) and next month's even higher (118/119). We seem to have lost our national consciousness of tides - though no doubt the locals still read tide tables. For Looe, for example, it was "115 very high" yesterday, and "116 very high"next month (20th). Those come from the almanac on http://www.tides4fishing.com . I think that coefficient is based on purely astronomical effects, and the tide forecast for the next few days adds the effects of weather (wind, atmospheric pressure) on top. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Palfers on February 20, 2015, 22:51:44 Yes the line can flood well especially at terras bridge (think that's how it's spelt) I've seen the streets in looe that flooded that you could row a boat up them it might be easer than wading up them
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on February 20, 2015, 23:22:44 Although not entirely on topic connected so will post here - mods may want to move as they see fit.
http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/11808372.Have_you_spotted_today_s__super_tides__in_Cornwall__PICTURES/ Quote (http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/resources/images/2879226.jpg?display=1&htype=0&type=mc2) While the flood risk is from the high tides expected today and through the weekend comnbining with large storm surf, the flip side of the coin is very low tides revealing parts of Cornwall's coast not often seen. Here are a few shots of the very low tide today. So what are so-called ^super tides^ which are due from today through to Monday, well this is whet the Met Office says. (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-Sd2cDIEAA1rMw.jpg) (http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/resources/images/3554278.jpg?type=article-full) A super low tide today at Mylor Yacht Harbour Tides are governed by the gravitational pull of the moon and, to a lesser extent, the sun. Because the sun and moon go through different alignment, this affects the size of the tides. When the gravitational pull of the sun and moon combine, we see larger than average tides ^ known as spring tides. When the gravitational pulls offset each other, we get smaller tides known as neap tides. We see two periods of spring and neap tides roughly every month. However there is a longer cycle at work too, associated with the gravitational pull of the planets in the solar system. This means we can see additional, albeit relatively small, increases and decreases in the size of spring and neap tides over long periods of time. We are currently at the height of those increases, so the astronomical tide is at an 18-year peak ^ although this is only a few centimetres bigger than a more average spring tide. What is the role of the weather in sea levels? It^s important to realise that just because we are expecting big astronomical tides over the next few days, these won^t cause the highest sea levels we^ve seen ^ even in the last few years. That^s because the weather can have a much bigger impact on sea level than the 18-year tidal cycle. Strong winds can pile up water on coastlines, and low pressure systems can also cause a localised rise in sea level. Typically the difference in water level caused by the weather can be between 20 and 30cm, but it can be much bigger. On the 5th December 2013, for example, the weather created a storm surge that increased the water level by up to 2 metres. Although an estimated 2,800 properties flooded, more than 800,000 properties were protected from flooding thanks to more than 2,800 kilometres of flood schemes. The Environment Agency also provided 160,000 warnings to homes and businesses to give people vital time to prepare. This highlights the importance of the Met Office and the Environment Agency working together to look at the combined impact of astronomical tides, wind, low pressure and waves on flood schemes to assess the potential impacts for communities around our coast. Will we see coastal flooding this weekend? Given the height of the tides there may be some localised flooding. Weather isn^t playing a large part in water levels over the next few days, although strong winds on Monday are likely to generate some large waves and push up sea levels slightly. This is nothing unusual for winter. You can see more about what weather to expect with the Met Office^s forecasts and severe weather warnings. The Environment Agency and the Met Office are working together to closely monitor the situation, and the Environment Agency will issue flood alerts and warnings as required. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: chrisr_75 on February 20, 2015, 23:40:01 Exceptionally high tides Saturday morning (21st Feb), 11m tide on the Severn Estuary, roads closed as a precaution in Newgale, Pembrokeshire and at Tintern, Monmothshire:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-31547339 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-west-wales-31547339) Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: stuving on February 20, 2015, 23:54:40 French news again - at lunchtime they (F2) had a piece on the "tide of the century", next month. Given the amount of century yet to come, and the scope for sea level rises due to global warming, you may feel that is a little premature.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on February 21, 2015, 00:21:34 French news again - at lunchtime they (F2) had a piece on the "tide of the century", next month. Given the amount of century yet to come, and the scope for sea level rises due to global warming, you may feel that is a little premature. "Tide of the century" so far? I assume it was meant to mean. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: chrisr_75 on February 21, 2015, 00:37:56 French news again - at lunchtime they (F2) had a piece on the "tide of the century", next month. Given the amount of century yet to come, and the scope for sea level rises due to global warming, you may feel that is a little premature. "Tide of the century" so far? I assume it was meant to mean. I would imagine it's more likely a 100 year tide, ie an event of a magnitude that is statistically probable to occur once in any given 100 year period Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Palfers on May 09, 2015, 22:24:46 Whilst out for a stroll today I noticed that the line just up from coombe junction towards liskeard has had all the trees cut back to stumps on the banks maybe a few different camera angles to try out if anyone interested just thought ill let you all know!
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on May 10, 2015, 10:19:16 Oh well that will be another 10 years until is done again (last done in 2003)
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Palfers on May 10, 2015, 10:34:52 Well those houses above the bank are close to the edge they must of had some noisy nights or even Sundays when trains don't run through the winter. I wonder if the occupants of the houses were offerd any logs? I know I would!
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: alexross42 on June 02, 2015, 14:48:55 http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Woman-60s-taken-hospital-car-ends-railway-track/story-26618121-detail/story.html (http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Woman-60s-taken-hospital-car-ends-railway-track/story-26618121-detail/story.html)
Not the first time a car's ended up on the tracks - there are some nasty bends on that road and some nasty weather over the past 24 hours...thankfully all concerned not badly injured. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: ChrisB on June 02, 2015, 14:58:09 And it's a 4x4, no?
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on June 02, 2015, 18:08:18 And it's a 4x4, no? Suzuki Vitara. Not the greatest 4x4 capabilities. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: chrisr_75 on June 03, 2015, 00:18:15 And it's a 4x4, no? Suzuki Vitara. Not the greatest 4x4 capabilities. Vitaras, along with most other soft-roaders, are very capable in situations which would stop a conventional 2WD car, of which this is not one - tarmac road; wet, windy & mild weather. Either mechanical/maintenance issues of some sort (cr@p tyres perhaps?), driver running out of talent (the most likely IMHO), or driver health issue, nothing to do with the type of vehicle involved. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: trainer on June 04, 2015, 18:45:34 I notice a reference in the article to Looe's 'main station' in the article. Are there a lot of suburban stations in the area? I'm sure the journalist knows the area better than I and would be able to tell me.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on June 04, 2015, 19:08:52 I notice a reference in the article to Looe's 'main station' in the article. Are there a lot of suburban stations in the area? I'm sure the journalist knows the area better than I and would be able to tell me. And the main line to Looe. Suggests there may be other lines and stations we don't know about. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: grahame on June 04, 2015, 19:33:16 I notice a reference in the article to Looe's 'main station' in the article. Are there a lot of suburban stations in the area? There's St Keyne Wishing Well Halt ... And the main line to Looe. The main line was originally from Moorswater ... Liskeard is very much a branch that remained open when the main line closed. Very much like the main line north from Plymouth originally ran via Okehampton to Exeter, and Gunnislake was originally the branch. I don't expect the Looe journalist was thinking of these things when he wrote, but you never know! Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Pb_devon on August 08, 2015, 08:23:47 Whilst out for a stroll today I noticed that the line just up from coombe junction towards liskeard has had all the trees cut back to stumps on the banks maybe a few different camera angles to try out if anyone interested just thought ill let you all know! The farmer further up the loop line is a good friend and he was as surprised as anyone that this little stretch had attention! However when I rode the line yesterday branches were hitting the train almost as soon as we left Liskeard. Good to see healthy loadings both ways, albeit a fine summers day. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Palfers on August 08, 2015, 21:01:13 Whilst out for a stroll today I noticed that the line just up from coombe junction towards liskeard has had all the trees cut back to stumps on the banks maybe a few different camera angles to try out if anyone interested just thought ill let you all know! The farmer further up the loop line is a good friend and he was as surprised as anyone that this little stretch had attention! However when I rode the line yesterday branches were hitting the train almost as soon as we left Liskeard. Good to see healthy loadings both ways, albeit a fine summers day. I bet looe itself was busy! in the winter it can be like a goast town Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: phile on June 14, 2016, 14:42:57 Bustitution announced on Journey Check for first Looe Branch trains tomorrow due to driver shortage.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on June 14, 2016, 16:50:20 I'm guessing Looe is the least used line as always seems to be the first pulled. It's not a great route to go by bus. I took the Go Cornwall service bus back from polperro last week and to say it's tight for buses along the main road is an understatement. St Keyne and Causeland both being off the main road, coombe junction is probably the most accessible station with the station being almost in the industrial eatate
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: phile on June 15, 2016, 20:45:03 Ditto tomorrow.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on June 15, 2016, 20:57:50 At 0605 this morning, no evidence of replacement transport, and the CIS showing on time. I didn't have time to check if there was a train but realtime trains is showing only the 0833 round trip from liskeard was cancelled, and rest on time. The ECS unit ran in at 0429, an hour or so early.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: phile on June 16, 2016, 09:27:54 At 0605 this morning, no evidence of replacement transport, and the CIS showing on time. I didn't have time to check if there was a train but realtime trains is showing only the 0833 round trip from liskeard was cancelled, and rest on time. The ECS unit ran in at 0429, an hour or so early. Position appears to have eased, just one round trip cancelled. First two round trips cancelled this morning. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on June 16, 2016, 09:44:58 Two A2B Truro Transit Style minibuses present this morning with cancelled on the CIS board.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Sam290893 on June 16, 2016, 12:28:53 This always seems to have trains cancelled due to shortage of drivers, and it also gets flooded quite a lot too, hope everyone doesn't mind taking a bus!
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on June 16, 2016, 18:04:35 CIS at liskeard now saying the branch is disrupted due to signalling problems.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on October 01, 2016, 07:50:34 Looe services currently cancelled due to a lightening strike between Liskeard and Coombe junction overnight.
I'm guessing it was about 2am, as my house was shaking as the thunder rumbled! I'm less than 1/2 mile from the branch. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: bobm on October 01, 2016, 08:11:15 A lightening strike at Largin affecting the single line section on the main line as well.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on October 01, 2016, 08:20:57 The Largin hit may have been the one I saw from my bedroom window! I'm up about 2-3am as that's what my body does, even on my days off. I was sat watching the storm out of the window.
Largin is almost straight from the back of my house. Coombe junction to the side, so out of view. My neighbours tree stops me seeing the trains on the main line. Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: bobm on October 01, 2016, 08:36:10 Reading between the lines (pardon the pun) I think the problem with the branch was getting a unit onto it rather than the line itself. Seems things are improving and a train should be there soon.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on October 01, 2016, 11:49:23 Largin has been, and always will be, subject to signalling failures due to lightning strikes. In my time as the responsible S&T Engineer we tried several remedies but to no avail. Its something to do with the soil up there (Largin, for those who don't know it, its located quite high up in the river Fowey valley) :o :D :P
One evening, many years ago now, during a particularly severe lightening storm I was sat in Liskeard signalbox and watched the block instrument needles swinging violently from 'Line Clear' to 'Train On Line' and back again and the block bells ringing like church bells ::) :P Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 02, 2016, 23:13:14 Mrs CfN, staying overnight with her brother in south Devon last night, reported an electric light fitting 'exploding' and their central heating starting up, apparently due to a severe electrical storm overhead. :o
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: LiskeardRich on February 03, 2017, 08:48:07 Looe branch is closed today due to flooding. Bus operations In place. Quite how the bus will operate is anyone's guess as the road is closed for several weeks between looe and St Keyne around Sandplace
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: bobm on February 03, 2017, 09:19:12 Was closed yesterday too.
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: marky7890 on February 04, 2017, 23:41:11 The Looe branch beside the estuary is very susceptible to flooding, even when its not stormy, but from spring tides, I have been on the train and the water has been almost up to the rails.
I think the rail replacement buses stop at St Keyne village and Duloe (up the hill from Causeland), due to the lanes being too narrow for buses. Sandplace station is of course next to the main B road. Title: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: GBM on February 15, 2019, 07:03:00 Now it's the turn of another Cornish branch
https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/ Alterations to services between Liskeard and Looe Due to a low speed derailment between Liskeard and Looe all lines are closed. Train services running to and from these stations have been suspended. Disruption is expected until the end of the day. Further Information An update will follow within the next 2 hours. Last Updated:15/02/2019 06:48 Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: PhilWakely on February 15, 2019, 07:09:23 5L71 derailed at Liskeard. Looe line blocked
Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: GBM on February 15, 2019, 07:32:58 PhilWakely has also posted in a more appropriate sections. May the Mods please move this one across, or remove post.
With thanks Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: LiskeardRich on February 15, 2019, 08:03:34 Appears to be in the yard at Liskeard.
Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: GBM on February 15, 2019, 08:07:46 Does anyone have a track layout for, I guess, the station area? Something to show where/which points this happened. Just curious.
Thank you Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: grahame on February 15, 2019, 08:14:01 PhilWakely has also posted in a more appropriate sections. May the Mods please move this one across, or remove post. With thanks Topics now both in "Cornwall" and merged ... breaking news broke in two places at the same time ;D ;D Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: bradshaw on February 15, 2019, 08:20:48 Google street view shows the layout quite well.
Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: RichardB on February 15, 2019, 08:41:34 Appears to be in the yard at Liskeard. Thanks Rich. I understand it's on the point where the curve joins the branch itself. One wheel off, evidently. As Phil indicated earlier, it was the empty stock, only the driver and guard on board and both uninjured. Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: LiskeardRich on February 15, 2019, 11:16:14 Appears to be in the yard at Liskeard. Thanks Rich. I understand it's on the point where the curve joins the branch itself. One wheel off, evidently. As Phil indicated earlier, it was the empty stock, only the driver and guard on board and both uninjured. Yes. As a side note it was very icy here this morning. Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: GBM on February 15, 2019, 11:34:37 Google street view shows the layout quite well. D'oh. Never thought of that. Thank you.Note to chastise myself (in private of course). Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: SandTEngineer on February 15, 2019, 18:07:17 One axle derailed on trap points leading from the yard to the Looe branch. Line reopened for the 1641 service to Looe.
Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: Pb_devon on February 15, 2019, 20:26:08 Good job it didn’t happen with the railtour last week.....loco off at one end and the train rear end still on the mainline. :o
Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: SandTEngineer on February 15, 2019, 20:37:09 Suggestons elsewhere that it was the trap point end of the crossover leading from the Up Main to the yard (No.19B). Strange as thats a trailing connection if the unit was moving empty to the branch...... ???
Title: Re: Liskeard to Looe Derailment 15 Feb 19 Post by: SandTEngineer on February 17, 2019, 20:37:55 Suggestons elsewhere that it was the trap point end of the crossover leading from the Up Main to the yard (No.19B). Strange as thats a trailing connection if the unit was moving empty to the branch...... ??? Confirmed elsewhere, that as I posted earlier, that it was infact on the ground frame operated trap points leading from the yard to the Looe single line. There used to be a shunting neck spur there but due the track condition was so poor it had been shortened by removing a rail, and this is where the unit ended up 'off the road'...... :P Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: GBM on March 28, 2019, 06:47:36 https://www.journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway/
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe Due to a fault on this train between Liskeard and Looe all lines are closed. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 10:00 28/03. Additional Information Replacement Road Transport is being sourced. Further Information An update will follow within the next 2 hours. Last Updated:28/03/2019 06:35 Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: bobm on March 28, 2019, 06:52:13 Unit failed at Laira. It’s hoped the train service will resume with the 10:14 from Liskeard.
Title: More seats on the Looe Post by: grahame on April 10, 2019, 19:26:20 Video from the Devon and Cornwall Community Rail Partnership
https://www.facebook.com/greatscenicrailways/videos/271209050491031/ With the 153s gone ... a minimum of 2 carriages now; now able to handle those unexpected lovely days all year. Title: Re: More seats on the Looe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 11, 2019, 01:42:44 Well done, to all of your team, RichardB. ;)
Title: Re: More seats on the Looe Post by: RichardB on April 11, 2019, 08:17:07 Well done, to all of your team, RichardB. ;) Thanks Chris. Not down to us, of course, though we have been making the case for two coach trains particularly during school holidays for quite some time. Title: Looe Valley Line - Liskeard to Looe: facilities, events & incidents (merged posts) Post by: grahame on April 19, 2019, 08:16:45 Congratulations to the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership on their successful bid to the CCIF. The Looe line has, perhaps, one of the highest proportions of leisure / tourist traffic in GWR land, and what a fitting location for a Heritage Centre to inform and attract further passengers. The recent stepping up of the minimum train length from 1 to 2 carriages means an increase in overall seats ... all set for passenger number growth on the line - sharing in the beauty and helping (I'm sure) the operating finances.
Quote £40,000 funding from Great Western Railway’s Customer & Communities Improvement Fund will see a new Looe Valley Line Heritage Centre created at Liskeard station, following a successful bid by the Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership. The centre will be established in three rooms on Platform 3 at Liskeard station, currently used by the Partnership as a summer information point and shop. This building is the Liskeard and Looe Railway’s original station building which opened, with the horseshoe curve to Coombe Junction, in May 1901. Article continues at the D&CRP web site (https://www.dcrp.org.uk/new-looe-valley-line-heritage-centre-to-be-set-up-at-liskeard-station/) which I commend to you. Title: Re: New Looe Valley Line Heritage Centre to be set up at Liskeard station Post by: RichardB on April 19, 2019, 09:43:36 Many thanks Graham
Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: bobm on April 19, 2019, 16:33:05 Took a trip on the Looe Branch this week. With the 153s now gone the branch is in hands of class 150s all the time. Whether I just didn't notice it before or it is because there are more wheels on the track; the squeal as the train negotiates the final stretch into Liskeard is deafening!
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/lskloo.jpg) I didn't realise until I boarded that my service was one of the few that calls at Coombe Junction Halt. Just as well I didn't get off to take some photographs there - the turn round was very quick. I did wonder if there was a driver at each end, but there wasn't! Would have been a long wait for the next train or a bit of an uphill walk to Liskeard! (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/cbj.jpg) Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: grahame on April 19, 2019, 17:26:57 Would have been a long wait for the next train or a bit of an uphill walk to Liskeard! Or a walk along the flat valley to St Keyne Wishing Well Halt - about a mile and three quarters, which you could have completed before the next train to Looe (that's assuming that you were on your way down when you called at Coombe Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: bobm on April 19, 2019, 18:00:58 Would have been a long wait for the next train or a bit of an uphill walk to Liskeard! Or a walk along the flat valley to St Keyne Wishing Well Halt - about a mile and three quarters, which you could have completed before the next train to Looe (that's assuming that you were on your way down when you called at Coombe I have sort of done that in the past http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=16859.msg200093#msg200093 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=16859.msg200093#msg200093) Title: Re: Looe Branch Line - cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents (merged topic) Post by: Pb_devon on April 19, 2019, 19:09:35 DCRP has obtained some funding for a Looe Valley Line Heritage Centre in the branch station buildings. Full details here https://www.dcrp.org.uk/new-looe-valley-line-heritage-centre-to-be-set-up-at-liskeard-station/
Also a premiere event on 26 April for the stories they have been gathering https://www.dcrp.org.uk/celebrating-the-heritage-of-the-looe-valley-line/ Well done Richard B and team. Edit : Oh, just spotted this mornings separate post! Title: Re: New Looe Valley Line Heritage Centre to be set up at Liskeard station Post by: Western Pathfinder on April 28, 2019, 12:38:22 The Heritage Centre also gets a look in here ,followed by a Four Part video documentary,from Geoff &Vicky those nice young people from All the Stations.
https://greatscenicrailways.co.uk/looe-rail-heritage/. Title: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: grahame on March 14, 2020, 12:03:16 The branch line from Liskeard to Looe was perhaps the most unlikely survivor of the "Beeching Axe" in the 1960s. It survived by the narrowest of squeaks, being reprieved just a fortnight before it was due to shut by Secretary of State for Transport Barbara Castle. She cited the inadequacy of of local roads to cope with holiday makers in the summer peaks, and the huge expense that would have been involved to improve them for that traffic. And so the Looe branch survives in what almost feels like a time capsule - "lost in time". Some things are not lost in time though - I took a trip on the branch last Thursday, and even off season (mid March) many of the trains are no longer "carrying fresh air" - a good number of passengers about, and that on a service that has been increased in recent years to run once an hour. No longer just a survivor - but now a health line with passenger numbers that would make some others cry, and a quirky survivor.
Heading south from Liskeard to Looe? You join the Looe trains at "Platform 3" - slightly away from the main line platforms on the north side, and pointed in a north easterly direction. And as the train starts its journey, it turns right, and right again and again, and descends into a valley in which it passes under the main line railway you probably used to arrive in Liskeard. You're now headed south, but not for long as the train turns right, right, and right again still descending into a deeper valley. Another single track line comes in alongside on your - its come along the valley floor - and you join that line and pull up, facing north again. The driver walks through the train, and then you move again - though this time in the opposite direction and onto the line that joined from the valley. One further stop, just clear of the junction points, and a minute later we're headed off towards Looe. It may be "none-stop" or we may call at St Keyne Wishing Well, and/or Causeland, and/or Sandplace. It will never really be none-stop, for there's a level crossing along the way where all trains must stop and blow their horns before proceeding. And so the wooded valley with the rushing stream widens out, into an estuary with - if the tide is right - mudflat teaming with waders. The waterway widens, habitation and indeed a town appear on the hillside opposite, the trains slows down and pulls to a halt and we're in Looe - or rather on its north flank - at a tiny station that just holds our two carriages. Our trainload pile off, another load pile on, and within 5 minutes the train is headed back whence it came - or almost. On this particular journey, once we got clear of the junction points, the driver did not walk through the train. Rather, after a brief pause to pick up his crew member he carried on a few hundred yards to the remote station of Coombe Junction Halt, where I left the train; the train departed a couple of minutes later, headed south again but to turn left, left and left, to climb and turn left and left again and climb some more back to its platform at Liskeard. I was left looking ahead at rusty rails, a little road bridge quite close by and a high railway viaduct a little further away, where e the rusty tracks pass under up to the cement works at Moorswater, and original station for Liskeard on this railway - which use to carry on up to the moors to the stone quarries, but that section was lost many generations ago. And so, my personal trip ended with a walk back up the hill to Liskeard Station - about 20 minutes along a lane that lead into the suburbs and to the station, with a "Steep Hill - 16%" sign. And I could certainly see and feel the hill - final proof (not that I needed it) of just how much the Looe line drops away in the first part of its run. (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_01.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_02.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_03.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_04.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_05.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_06.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_07.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_08.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_09.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/loob_20200312_10.jpg) Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: smokey on March 14, 2020, 12:24:47 Did you notice that opposite the platform at Looe stands the 1/4 mile post, in days past the platform was much longer, and on arrival at Looe after passengers had de-trained the stock was pulled forward and the engine ran round where the Petrol station now stands before pulling back into Looe station. Strange for a short branch with a reversal why did they NEVER use engine and Auto coach on this line.
Rumour has it that Barbara Castle whom stood up in parliament in 1964 and reprieved both the St Ives and Looe lines in the very same speech, had holiday homes in Looe and St Ives. Shame the lady didn't have a holiday home in Padstow as the Bodmin Road to Padstow line was condemned in the same speech. >:( Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: SandTEngineer on March 14, 2020, 12:29:25 I don't think the rails to Moorswater are that rusty, Grahame. The Moorswater cement train, from Aberthaw in South Wales, runs at least once or twice a week.
....and I won't ask how you managed to take the photo from the train whilst stood at Coombe Junction No.1 Ground Frame.... Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: smokey on March 14, 2020, 13:09:19 guess it was a hand holding a camera in the open window ;D
Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: SandTEngineer on March 14, 2020, 14:42:34 Coombe Junction once used to have a signalbox and run-around loop: https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/html/gwf/S1141.htm
...and Looe had a signalbox (actually a very small hut) as well: https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/html/gwf/S1143.htm ...and Liskeard branch platform had its own signalbox: https://www.s-r-s.org.uk/html/gwf/S1140.htm At one time there was also a signalbox at Moorswater, but that was a very long, long, long time ago. Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: JontyMort on March 14, 2020, 15:06:46 Presumably the link to the main line is normally locked, and the branch run as “one engine in steam”?
Edited by SandTEngineer to remove duplicate copy of previous post diagram links Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: SandTEngineer on March 14, 2020, 20:44:58 [Presumably the link to the main line is normally locked, and the branch run as “one engine in steam”? The branch is worked by Key Token between Liskeard Signalbox and Coombe No.2 Ground Frame (working the trap points leading from the Moorswater cement terminal, seen in one of Grahames photographs). There are Intermediate Key Token instruments at Liskeard Branch Ground Frame and Coombe No.1 Ground Frame with Train Staff working from the latter to Looe. That arrangement allows a freight service to access from Liskeard to Moorswater whilst the passenger service train is on the branch from Coombe Junction to Looe. Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: JontyMort on March 14, 2020, 22:58:47 [Presumably the link to the main line is normally locked, and the branch run as “one engine in steam”? The branch is worked by Key Token between Liskeard Signalbox and Coombe No.2 Ground Frame (working the trap points leading from the Moorswater cement terminal, seen in one of Grahames photographs). There are Intermediate Key Token instruments at Liskeard Branch Ground Frame and Coombe No.1 Ground Frame with Train Staff working from the latter to Looe. That arrangement allows a freight service to access from Liskeard to Moorswater whilst the passenger service train is on the branch from Coombe Junction to Looe. Ah, yes, that makes sense. Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: grahame on March 15, 2020, 05:52:12 I don't think the rails to Moorswater are that rusty, Grahame. The Moorswater cement train, from Aberthaw in South Wales, runs at least once or twice a week. I have check Real Time Trains; it ran the day previous to my visit. Prior experience (I do funny thinks like look at rail tops in various places) would suggest that it takes sustained traffic to have shiny rails, then they go through various degrees of dull moving across to bright orange and then from bright orange to a much duller brown for something really out of use. Sorry - no detailed look at the track in question but, whilst rusty, it did not scream "unused" to me. [Presumably the link to the main line is normally locked, and the branch run as “one engine in steam”? The branch is worked by Key Token between Liskeard Signalbox and Coombe No.2 Ground Frame (working the trap points leading from the Moorswater cement terminal, seen in one of Grahames photographs). There are Intermediate Key Token instruments at Liskeard Branch Ground Frame and Coombe No.1 Ground Frame with Train Staff working from the latter to Looe. That arrangement allows a freight service to access from Liskeard to Moorswater whilst the passenger service train is on the branch from Coombe Junction to Looe. Not sure the main instrument is in the signal box - there's a hut on platform 3: (http://www.wellho.net/pix/lsk3hut.jpg) Where our driver went in and seemed to be working an instrument and on the phone - I suspect he took in a token and the points key, returned the token and got out a new one (or the same one again having put it through the machine?). Came out and waved it to show the train manager. Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: stuving on March 15, 2020, 08:43:17 Not sure the main instrument is in the signal box - there's a hut on platform 3: (http://www.wellho.net/pix/lsk3hut.jpg) But that's only a token hut! Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: SandTEngineer on March 15, 2020, 10:49:49 OK this is going to get a bit technical now. There are two types of Key Token Instrument (originally manufactured by TYERS), an TERMINAL INSTRUMENT and an INTERMEDIATE INSTRUMENT. The Terminal Instrument is normally located in a manned signalbox at each end of the single line section, in this case Liskeard signalbox.
An Intermediate Instrument is normally located at places that require access to the single line that are usually operated by Train Crew operated Ground Lever Frames, mechanically released by the single line section key token. On the Looe branch these are located on Liskeard Platform No.3, in the hut shown in Grahames photograph, Coombe Junction No.1 Ground Frame that controls the points giving access to Looe, and Coombe Junction No.2 Ground Frame controlling the trap points giving access to the Moorswater Cement Sidings. To release a token from a Terminal Instrument requires the Terminal Instrument at the remote end to be operated thus giving a release at the opposite remote end. To release a token from an Intermediate Instrument requires both Terminal Instruments to be be operated together. But hang on, there is no signalbox at the Coombe Junction end of the section, so no signaller available to operate the Terminal Instrument there. Well, there is a special electrical circuit that replicates the actions of a signaller that is operated from the remote, Liskeard end, of the section. The circuits are really quite staightforward and the system is fail safe in that only one key token can be free in the section at any one time. So, to sum that all up, the Single line section in this case is supervised and controlled by the Liskeard signaller. Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: RichardB on March 15, 2020, 18:27:20 Here's more on the reprieve. Barbara Castle made the announcement on 20 September 1966 with the three Cornish lines part of 29 decisions in all. I attached a scan of p1 and p2 of the MoT press release (from the National Archives). At the bottom of page 1, you'll see why she reprieved Looe and St Ives -
"“Several of my decisions affect holiday areas. I have refused to close the branch lines serving St Ives and Looe in Cornwall. In spite of the financial saving to the railways, it just wouldn’t have made sense in the wider context to have transferred heavy holiday traffic on to roads which couldn’t cope with it. Nor would extensive and expensive road improvements have been the answer. At St Ives, these would have involved destroying the whole character of the town. At Looe, they could not have avoided long delays in the holiday season. It would be the economics of Bedlam to spend vast sums only to create greater inconvenience.” Padstow went because the view was taken that the roads and buses could cope. It was as simple as that. I've also attached the report of the decisions from the following day's Western Morning News. You'll recognise the name of the reporter. Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: infoman on March 15, 2020, 19:22:26 Country file are covering Looe on BBC1 on Sunday,still waiting if their gonna pay a visit to the train station.
Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: grahame on March 16, 2020, 04:54:59 [snip] Padstow went because the view was taken that the roads and buses could cope. It was as simple as that. I've also attached the report of the decisions from the following day's Western Morning News. You'll recognise the name of the reporter. Interesting to note that it was the Summer Saturday crowds issues that saved Newquay - from that newspaper article Quote Certainly, if it is considered that buses would have difficulty in coping with peak week-end traffic at St. Ives, the same would surely be true at Newquay, where even this summer lengthy trains have disgorged hundreds of people together. Also interested to read comment about removing the reversal at Coombe: Quote Consideration might be given to abolishing the reversal at Coombe Junction on the Looe line by providing a direct line from Liskeard towards Looe; it is pity that the Ministry of Transport does not give grants for this kind of scheme so enable lines to be run more cheaply. Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: SandTEngineer on March 16, 2020, 11:46:46 There are some wonderful photographs of Coombe Junction as it used to be here: http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/looe-branch-including-moorswater.html
Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: Andy on March 27, 2020, 08:42:35 [snip] Padstow went because the view was taken that the roads and buses could cope. It was as simple as that. I've also attached the report of the decisions from the following day's Western Morning News. You'll recognise the name of the reporter. Interesting to note that it was the Summer Saturday crowds issues that saved Newquay - from that newspaper article Quote Certainly, if it is considered that buses would have difficulty in coping with peak week-end traffic at St. Ives, the same would surely be true at Newquay, where even this summer lengthy trains have disgorged hundreds of people together. Also interested to read comment about removing the reversal at Coombe: Quote Consideration might be given to abolishing the reversal at Coombe Junction on the Looe line by providing a direct line from Liskeard towards Looe; it is pity that the Ministry of Transport does not give grants for this kind of scheme so enable lines to be run more cheaply. Title: Re: Journey to Looe and almost all the way back Post by: grahame on March 27, 2020, 09:14:09 I believe the GWR had plans to build a branch from St. Germans to Looe in the mid 1930s but the outbreak of WW II put an end to the idea. See https://spellerweb.net/rhindex/UKRH/GreatWestern/Narrowgauge/StGermansLooe.html - more text, pictures, map, etc Quote ... the Great Western Railway in 1935 projected a new 7-mile branch from Trerule Junction, just west of St. Germans on the Paddington to Penzance main line, to Looe. The line would have involved some quite heavy engineering works including ... [snip] ...Work commenced on the line 1937 but was suspended owing to World War II and never completed. Title: Looe line - summer extras Post by: grahame on August 07, 2020, 07:12:10 Quote 10:00 Liskeard to Looe due 10:25 An additional bus service has been planned to operate as shown 10:00 Liskeard to Looe due 10:25. And at 11:00 and 12:00 Back at 16:00, 17:00 and 18:00. Good - I sort of think. Good on the railways / public transport provider to have added capacity. But, really, is Looe going to be able to handle the numbers arriving, and should people be looking for quieter places to be going? Is the provision of extra capacity over distance-normal sending the wrong signal? Title: Re: Looe line - summer extras Post by: bobm on August 07, 2020, 07:29:58 It may also be to better dovetail with the revised service on the mainline.
The first through train from Paddington arrives at Liskeard at 11:40 and the bus at 12:00 saves nearly an hour’s wait. Title: Re: Looe line - summer extras Post by: RichardB on August 07, 2020, 10:10:51 Quote 10:00 Liskeard to Looe due 10:25 An additional bus service has been planned to operate as shown 10:00 Liskeard to Looe due 10:25. And at 11:00 and 12:00 Back at 16:00, 17:00 and 18:00. Good - I sort of think. Good on the railways / public transport provider to have added capacity. But, really, is Looe going to be able to handle the numbers arriving, and should people be looking for quieter places to be going? Is the provision of extra capacity over distance-normal sending the wrong signal? I was down there on Thursday last week which was a lovely sunny day. It was busy, but not overly so. The branch trains were decently well used but again not overly so - I counted 61 on 11 36 LSK - LOO, for example. I went to St Ives the following day - drizzly and overcast - and that was busier still. I saw the 15 03 ex St Ives arrive at St Erth and travelled on the 15 18 out and back (so 15 33 ex St Ives) - easily 100 off at St Erth from both trains and the 15 33 had 30-40 off at Carbis Bay too. Trains are running at their usual 4 coaches for this time of year so not too packed. Bob's point about connections is a good one. We're missing the additional PLY-PNZ trains so some connections at Liskeard are longer than anyone would like so the buses will help there but, of course, it's not the same, far from it. Title: Re: Looe line - summer extras Post by: RichardB on August 07, 2020, 10:45:46 Thinking more about it, I'm guessing the buses are "belt and braces" to make sure the trains don't get too busy given the very hot weather forecast for today.
Title: Re: Looe line - summer extras Post by: LiskeardRich on August 07, 2020, 14:59:50 Social distancing duplicate
Title: Re: Looe line - summer extras Post by: Jamsdad on August 08, 2020, 14:10:38 Looe, Newquay, Falmouth, St Ives, and coastal towns in Cornwall without a train are are all very busy. Quite possibly the Looe branch was overcrowded. A lot of Plymouth folk use the train to go there for a day out. I will ask my friends at Liskeard Station for the back story!
Title: Re: Looe line - summer extras Post by: FarWestJohn on September 05, 2020, 19:34:37 I went from Perranwell to Looe today and all the trains seemed fairly busy compared with the other week. The Looe train was very well patronised with plenty of suitcases in evidence and there were extra buses running from Liskeard. The 255 on the way back was well used especially at Bodmin, Par and Truro.
Title: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23 Post by: bobm on May 24, 2023, 18:17:35 Reports of a car being in collision with a train at Coombe Crossing on the Liskeard to Looe line.
Car driver initially trapped but now freed and not seriously hurt. Rail service suspended for the rest of the day. Title: Re: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23 Post by: bobm on May 24, 2023, 18:40:26 Somewhat confusing report from Cornwall Live
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/live-trains-stopped-cancelled-after-8467688 (https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/live-trains-stopped-cancelled-after-8467688) Title: Re: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23 Post by: grahame on May 24, 2023, 22:57:27 At least they 'explain' there not-quite-right picture. An IET to Looe seems unlikely, even in many years time when they're on gentler duties like the castles now are.
Title: Derailment Coombe Junction - 01 Nov 23 Post by: bobm on November 01, 2023, 09:35:56 Overnight a train has derailed on the Looe Branch.
It appears the train continued past Coombe Junction Halt towards Moorswater and derailed on catch points. The branch is closed as a result. It is the latest disruption on the line after flooding near Looe has closed it on several occasions in recent days - and is set to do the same over the next two days. Title: Re: Derailment Coombe Junction - 01 Nov 23 Post by: Mark A on November 01, 2023, 10:21:45 This one perhaps...
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U80081/2023-11-01/detailed (https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:U80081/2023-11-01/detailed) Mark Title: Re: Derailment Coombe Junction - 01 Nov 23 Post by: GBM on November 01, 2023, 10:34:59 It derailed, but went through to Par later on?
Surely if it derailed, it would stay there until lifted back on track, etc. Seems to have arrived at Par 0613 Title: Re: Derailment Coombe Junction - 01 Nov 23 Post by: Mark A on November 01, 2023, 10:52:21 Good point. Seems that Realtimetrains date for things involving Looe branch is a bit awry at the moment - e.g. the site's not flagging the passenger service as cancelled today.
Mark Title: Re: Derailment Coombe Junction - 01 Nov 23 Post by: stuving on November 01, 2023, 11:34:59 It's reported that it was 2Q08 - the Network Rail Track Recording Unit (950001). Oh dear - meant to be non-destructive, isn't it?
It's last shown as leaving Liskeard P3, so perhaps the crew, not being regulars, hadn't realised they had to check the ground frame before entering Coombe. That could certainly cause a points failure, which is NR's current description. The TRU wouldn't have any reason to go to or towards Moorswater, would it? Title: Liskeard Looe incident Post by: GBM on November 07, 2023, 07:29:30 Alterations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to a train hitting an obstruction on the line earlier today between Liskeard and Looe: Train services running to and from these stations have been suspended. Disruption is expected until 09:30 07/11. Customer Advice We're sorry for the delay to your journey. The 05:57 Liskeard to Looe service struck a tree in the Causeland area. The train was able to continue its journey but some damage was caused which requires an inspection by one of our engineers. Until this is carried out the service on the line between Liskeard and Looe has been suspended. Title: Re: Liskeard Looe incident Post by: ChrisB on November 07, 2023, 08:06:47 GWR tweeted that taxis are being supplied at Looe & at Liskeard.
Title: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2024, 07:45:10 A victim of BBQ Sunday yesterday, and it's Bank Holiday Monday today so......
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Liskeard and Looe the line is closed. Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 12:00 26/08. Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: grahame on August 26, 2024, 08:02:02 A victim of BBQ Sunday yesterday, and Bank Holiday Monday today so...... Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Liskeard and Looe the line is closed. Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 12:00 26/08. Gosh - I hadn't noticed yesterday. I guess (tell me if I'm wrong) that this is caused by a trains failing / short term fault ("broken down train") and, sure, these things happen occasionally. But it highlights how thinly resourced and specialised our railway is today. No dropping off a carriage or two off a train that calls at Liskeard ... and it sounds like there isn't another anywhere in the Plymouth area. Should the main line be run with class 175 trains next year, perhaps we'll see a 4 or 5 car main line train being reduced by 2 cars in the event of a branch line failure. Is that part of the plan? Bank holiday Monday. It's cloudy and just 14 degrees in Looe this morning , rising to 19 by lunchtime, Some clouds in the sky, which are expected to clear shortly and it will be a lovely if cool morning. Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: bobm on August 26, 2024, 11:17:02 A two car unit has left Laira depot for Liskeard to resume the branch service with the 11:36 to Looe.
Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: RichardB on August 27, 2024, 05:58:34 A two car unit has left Laira depot for Liskeard to resume the branch service with the 11:36 to Looe. Obviously sad to lose the earlier services (especially the 10 36 ex Liskeard) but good to see that, once that unit had arrived, the full service was provided for the rest of the day. Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: REVUpminster on August 28, 2024, 07:10:54 The 175s primary job is to get rid of HSTs. They will go on Barnstaple and Okehampton. The 19 150s at Exeter are diagrammed to rotate through the Cornwall branches stabling overnight at various locations in Cornwall before working back to Exeter. The 150s seem to be becoming very unreliable.
The 175s I don't think can be cleared for the Cornwall branches. The 158s at Exeter are likely to go to Bristol. Paignton-Exmouth will still need at least 4 turbos and 175s occasionally as 158s are used now when short of stock. The Barnstaple/Okehampton 175s will stable at Exeter, in place of the 158s overnight before having to work back to Laira. Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: TaplowGreen on August 31, 2024, 07:44:47 And again............
Alterations to services between Liskeard and Looe Due to a broken down train earlier today between Liskeard and Looe: Train services running to and from these stations have been suspended. Disruption is expected until 10:36 31/08. Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: Pb_devon on August 31, 2024, 07:55:17 TG, I’ve suggested mods amend thread title to reflect issues posted beyond 26 August.
Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: bobm on August 31, 2024, 12:41:36 Took a while - but now done.
Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: TaplowGreen on September 01, 2024, 06:47:32 Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to a shortage of train crew between Liskeard and Looe the line is closed. Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day. ........Newquay-Par branch also wiped out. Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: GBM on September 02, 2024, 04:05:28 05:57 Liskeard to Looe due 06:27
02/09/24 05:57 Liskeard to Looe due 06:27 will be cancelled. This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time. And the return run. But help is on its way 06:19 Par to Plymouth due 07:21 02/09/24 06:19 Par to Plymouth due 07:21 will be terminated at Liskeard. It will no longer call at Menheniot, St Germans, Saltash, St Budeaux Ferry Road, Keyham, Dockyard, Devonport and Plymouth. This is due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time. Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: Pb_devon on September 02, 2024, 07:46:35 But at the penalty of Yardees being late for work!!
Title: Re: Liskeard-Looe Branch line - problems & observations Post by: GBM on September 20, 2024, 05:35:40 Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Due to the sea flooding the railway between Liskeard and Looe the line is blocked. Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 08:30 20/09 Title: Re: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 23, 2025, 19:04:45 No, it's one of their 'stock photos of a train' at Bristol Temple Meads again, isn't it? ::)
Title: Re: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23 Post by: LiskeardRich on February 23, 2025, 19:36:33 No, it's one of their 'stock photos of a train' at Bristol Temple Meads again, isn't it? ::) Your reply is almost as late as GWRs trains in Cornwall today ;) ::) Title: Re: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 23, 2025, 20:24:30 I know: I was, as usual, looking for something else when I happened to stumble across this historic topic. ::)
Thankfully, the car driver in that particular incident was not seriously injured. Just a bloody nose, apparently. Our frequent readers should know by now that the use of such clearly irrelevant images, in otherwise factual news articles, is something that winds me up somewhat. It's just shoddy journalism. :-X CfN. Title: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: RichardB on February 24, 2025, 11:07:06 There will be changes to the Looe timetable from May to provide much better connections at Liskeard to/from Plymouth throughout the day, a good pre-09 00 arrival in Plymouth for commuters and a better spread of request stops at Sandplace, Causeland and St Keyne. This follows local requests and liaison between ourselves (Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership) and GWR.
The aim is to provide 6 (or near to) minute connections out of Looe and the same for inward except out of London services where the aim is to provide 10-13 minute connections. The exception is the last connection of the day from London where 20 minutes has been deliberately allowed for robustness. Currently day trippers from Plymouth to Looe on the key services have more than 20 minutes at Liskeard in both directions. To enable these changes, the number of trains a day will reduce from 15 to 13. The first train will leave Looe at 07 33 instead of 06 30 now. The 07 33 will give a Plymouth arrival of 08 44 with a 6 minute connection at Liskeard. We and GWR have counted passengers on the line’s service and the existing 06 30 is little used (indeed the September Tuesday we did our counts, there was just one passenger). Currently you can either arrive in Plymouth at 07 43 or 09 08. The new 08 44 arrival should be attractive. A further bonus of the new timetable is that the last train will leave Looe at 21 55 on weekdays, 18 minutes later than now. This will make a 7 minute connection at Liskeard for Saltash and Plymouth. Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 24, 2025, 12:19:03 Thank you for posting that advance notice here, RichardB. ;)
Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: AMLAG on February 24, 2025, 20:40:55 What a pity it’s taken these D&CRP inspired TT improvements (and resultant train operating cost reductions) so long to be implemented; it should have happened several years ago. Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: ChrisB on February 27, 2025, 16:52:47 I feel for that 1 passenger on the 0630. First & Last trains should be sacrosanct if *anyone* is regularly using them, since you can guarantee that they're only on them regularly if they *have* to be on them.
Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: plymothian on February 27, 2025, 20:07:15 And that 1 passenger does use that train every day.
Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: RichardB on February 27, 2025, 23:25:29 I feel for that 1 passenger on the 0630. First & Last trains should be sacrosanct if *anyone* is regularly using them, since you can guarantee that they're only on them regularly if they *have* to be on them. Each to their own but it really isn't a good use of resources to run a train that is used by just one person. It's not same person every day and the few people who ever take that train may well be using it because the next one currently gets them to their destination just too late e.g Plymouth at 09 08 and will find the 07 33 will work fine for them. Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: grahame on February 28, 2025, 07:41:05 I feel for that 1 passenger on the 0630. First & Last trains should be sacrosanct if *anyone* is regularly using them, since you can guarantee that they're only on them regularly if they *have* to be on them. Each to their own but it really isn't a good use of resources to run a train that is used by just one person. It's not same person every day and the few people who ever take that train may well be using it because the next one currently gets them to their destination just too late e.g Plymouth at 09 08 and will find the 07 33 will work fine for them. It's no small thing to cut the first or last trains. Having said that, we did not fight GWR's decision to cut the 05:17 Westbury to Swindon (05:33 at Melksham) a couple of years back - first train now 07:05 from Westbury / 07:21 from Melksham. We lost the ability to get to London at 7 a.m. which (however) we had only had for a couple of years. A big concern was that it knocked out long distance (and lucrative) journeys being a "peak" train, and knocked out return journeys on other trains that were running anyway. What we did ask for (and have received) was an extra train at the other end of the day and the 21:16 from Westbury (21:32 at Melksham) is new. I was on it last night - 2 car train, about 10 in my carriage, half of whom got off in Melksham - not busy but ten times the passengers I ever saw on the 05:33. Huge care needed - but this might well be the right decision for Looe; I trust RichardB to be fully informed and to have let us know this change is one to work as a modernisation for the future with, rather than protest. Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2025, 20:47:22 Each to their own but it really isn't a good use of resources to run a train that is used by just one person. It's not same person every day and the few people who ever take that train may well be using it because the next one currently gets them to their destination just too late e.g Plymouth at 09 08 and will find the 07 33 will work fine for them. And that 1 passenger does use that train every day. Hmmmm. someone is mistaken. I hope that 1 person doesn't lose their job owing to the loss of the service. Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: LiskeardRich on March 03, 2025, 21:36:53 1 person doesn’t make a service viable. It would have been cheaper for GWR to send a taxi for that passenger every day than to run the train.
Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: ChrisB on March 04, 2025, 21:21:22 Then that is what they should do.
Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: froome on March 05, 2025, 20:28:39 Then that is what they should do. Indeed they should. Out of interest, has that ever happened elsewhere? (providing a taxi for a regular traveller who loses their regular service and has no other feasible choice for their regular journey). Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: grahame on March 05, 2025, 21:19:49 Then that is what they should do. Indeed they should. Out of interest, has that ever happened elsewhere? (providing a taxi for a regular traveller who loses their regular service and has no other feasible choice for their regular journey). When trains were withdrawn from the Sinfin branch, taxis were provided for the regulars for a number of years until official closure procedures had been completed. Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: REVUpminster on March 06, 2025, 08:56:25 If they did provide a taxi and three other customers heard about and paid the rail fare GWR might even make a profit.
Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: RichardB on March 06, 2025, 11:21:26 Then that is what they should do. Indeed they should. Out of interest, has that ever happened elsewhere? (providing a taxi for a regular traveller who loses their regular service and has no other feasible choice for their regular journey). When trains were withdrawn from the Sinfin branch, taxis were provided for the regulars for a number of years until official closure procedures had been completed. This obviously is a very different kettle of fish. The new first train will simply be one hour later. Hopefully anyone inconvenienced by this (and I'm sorry if they are) will be able to negotiate a later start time with their employers if necessary. Despite what "Plymothian" says, I don't believe there is a very regular passenger. The hard truth is that running a train for just one person is simply untenable and since the new time is just an hour later, it's also untenable thinking about a taxi or anything else. As we all know, the Looe line is heavily subsidised and we have to get a bit real about transport economics here. The changes will generally be an improvement and I believe will attract more passengers to the line. The Looe line's main traffic is daytrippers and tourists. Looe itself is a small place - just 5,000 or so population, about half of whom are of retirement age - and the main line at Liskeard is just 8 or so miles away. Anything we can do to get more locals on the train year-round is clearly a good thing, year-round daytrippers and tourists too. We at the Partnership do a lot of promotion of the line, particularly online e.g. via targeted paid adverts on Facebook - you can see examples on our page here https://www.facebook.com/greatscenicrailways (https://www.facebook.com/greatscenicrailways) We're planning significant promotion of the May timetable which will, as well as all the online stuff, include leaflets delivered to households in Looe and the surrounding area by the Royal Mail. One more thing to consider - in the next few years, some quite serious investment in the Looe line will be needed. As things look now, battery trains will need either a West Ealing style charging set up or even overhead being installed in Platform 3 at Liskeard. The more the railway, we at the Partnership and others can do to help increase year-round usage of the line, the easier that funding decision becomes. I don't think for a moment we might be looking at closure of the line but making sure trains, particularly at either ends of the day when they are most expensive to run, are decently used will be key, I'm sure. Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: grahame on March 06, 2025, 12:09:14 This obviously is a very different kettle of fish ... I am - totally - in agreement with that and all you say, Richard; my comment you picked up on was in answer to a question asked. We lost out 05:33 at Melksham to Swindon which was also a quiet train and did not fight it nor suggest alternative provision ... first train is now 07:21. Loss of the earliest or latest journey opportunities is a serious matter reflected also on the passengers onward, return and inward journeys and whilst you do not have to have every individual service making stand alone economic sense (a mistake made in the Beeching era?), you do need to reconsider services that are a severe drain on the viability of the line and sometimes make these decisions / acceptances. Title: Re: Looe timetable changes this Summer Post by: ChrisB on March 06, 2025, 12:15:24 I think my point is that the poor person catching that train - assuming a regular - was *only* catching it because they *had* to - presumably unable to alter their start time - coz you would, wouldn't you if you could.
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