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Title: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: John R on October 16, 2009, 20:58:08
Don't talk to me about pylons. I've just had a letter from National Grid something along the lines of "We're toying with the idea of building a 45m high 400kV major pylon line around 100m in front of your house. How do you feel about it?"  >:(


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Electric train on October 16, 2009, 21:56:40
Don't talk to me about pylons. I've just had a letter from National Grid something along the lines of "We're toying with the idea of building a 45m high 400kV major pylon line around 100m in front of your house. How do you feel about it?"  >:(

 :o :o :o That close the lights in the house will glow without having to switching them on


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 16, 2009, 22:37:39
Very sorry to hear that, John. >:(

I've not heard anything at all about such a scheme - such as local planning permission applications, etc. (and I live 'just up the road' from John, for the benefit of non-Nailsea resident members of this forum).

However: wouldn't that put their proposed pylon slap in the middle of the Backwell Lake nature reserve, for example?


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: John R on October 16, 2009, 22:45:17
Got it in one, Chris! And it would then skirt around Trendlewood for what it's worth. Public exhibition on Wed at Backwell Leisure Centre if you're interested.

Apparently it will be finished in 2017, so it'll be a close run thing with the GW electrification. Come to think of it, NR could run a connection from a pole hung above our star ticket man(other thread refers)'s hut, and wire up the Weston line without the National Grid knowing.  ;D
 


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 17, 2009, 17:47:06
As became apparent on another topic (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5511.0) on this forum, not many people seem to be aware yet of the full implications of National Grid's Hinkley Point C Connection Project.

Please see their map, on the National Grid website (http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Electricity/MajorProjects/HinkleyConnection/RouteCorridor.htm), showing the scale of the project.

The consultation period has already started - but there seems to have been little local publicity so far.  May I therefore encourage anyone who lives, works or travels between Bridgwater and north of Bristol to just have a look at this and, if they could be affected, please get involved in the consultation - whatever your views.


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 17, 2009, 18:38:24
Having done a bit of 'digging', I've now found some further information in the local press:

From the Mercury (http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/clevedon/news/Voltage-threat-overhead-cables/article-1427534-detail/article.html):

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Voltage threat of overhead cables

More than 25 towns and villages in North Somerset face the threat of 400,000-volt overhead power cables being installed above them.

National Grid says the line, which would be about 37 miles long and cost around ^2 million per mile, is needed to bring electricity from the proposed new nuclear power station at Hinkley Point to an electricity substation at Avonmouth.

Studies have identified two potential 'route corridors' through North Somerset the overhead cable could follow.

But parish councillors in Wraxall believe the company should consider laying cables on the sea bed of the Bristol Channel between Hinkley and Avonmouth rather than blight the countryside with 150-foot pylons.

Wraxall and Failand Parish Council chairman Chris Ambrose said: "I feel strongly that if we can lay these cables under the sea then we should do so. I don't see why on an engineering basis they can't do it - electricity to the Scilly Isles is supplied by cables along the seabed and communication links are laid all the way to the east coast of America under the sea."

More than 90 per cent of National Grid's 4,500 miles of transmission lines is by overhead cables. It says installing cables underground on land costs between 12-17 times more than overhead lines. Its website adds there are other technical problems which make underground cables undesirable, such as heat dispersal and prolonged outages when problems occur.

A spokesperson said: "We won't look into undergrounding until consultation is complete and we have identified a preferred route corridor and are looking at a specific route."

The exact route has not been finalised but any of the following communities could be affected: Yatton, Nailsea, Congresbury, Hewish, Clevedon, Congresbury, Churchill, Wrington, Kingston Seymour, Brockley, Kenn, Tickenham, Clapton-in-Gordano, Backwell, Wraxall and Failand, Portishead, North Weston, Portbury, Easton-in-Gordano and Flax Bourton. The first of four public consultation events takes place today at Trinity Primary School in Portishead.

National Grid major projects manager David Mercer said: "The proposed new power station at Hinkley Point C would be one of the largest connected to the National Grid network, and, as a result, we will need to reinforce and upgrade the network in the region to accommodate the extra power and ensure system security. We recognise that this is a significant development and we are committed to consulting the public to gather their views. These events will give local residents the opportunity to see our proposals and discuss their queries and concerns with us and express their opinions."

Fourteen events are being held between now and December. For more information visit www.nationalgrid.com/hinkleyconnection .


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: John R on October 17, 2009, 22:14:16
I wish national Grid would do some "digging", instead of pylons.  >:(


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Electric train on October 17, 2009, 22:35:59
I wish national Grid would do some "digging", instead of pylons.  >:(

At 4 times the cost of a pylon route


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 17, 2009, 22:41:13
Hmm.  More than that, apparently?

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More than 90 per cent of National Grid's 4,500 miles of transmission lines is by overhead cables. It says installing cables underground on land costs between 12-17 times more than overhead lines. Its website adds there are other technical problems which make underground cables undesirable, such as heat dispersal and prolonged outages when problems occur.


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: matt473 on October 17, 2009, 23:02:56
I wish national Grid would do some "digging", instead of pylons.  >:(

SAdly this would mean everyone would have to pay for it with increased electricity prices as National Grid would have to raise their basic price to cover the costs. Sadly sometimes the minority have to lose out for the majority to benefit, however insome cases it is not very fair


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 25, 2009, 20:20:49
An interesting comparison with a similar proposal in Scotland - from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8325105.stm):

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Pylon line plan to 'get go-ahead'

The go-ahead for a power line from Beauly to Denny is expected to be given by the Scottish government in the next few weeks, BBC Scotland understands. But as more than 18,000 objections have been lodged it is thought likely conditions will be attached.

The upgraded power line, which would need 600 pylons, up 200ft in height, would connect renewable power projects in the Highlands to the national grid. Environmentalists and green energy advocates are divided on the issue.

The new ^400m transmission line would run from Beauly near Inverness to Denny near Falkirk. It would carry 400,000 volts (400kV), replacing the existing 132kV line, which runs along a similar route. Supporters, including Labour and the Green party, say the scheme should be approved to help meet renewable energy commitments. But concerns have been raised over the impact to landscape of the massive pylons and a lack of detail over alternative options.

The controversial plan has been the subject of a public inquiry. The Scottish government has had that inquiry's report since February.

Labour's leader at Holyrood, Iain Gray MSP, said: "We want to see this upgrade go ahead as quickly as possible and it is disappointing that the SNP have taken far too long to make their mind up. Scotland needs a government that will take much bolder action in order to boost our renewable energy sector and tackle climate change emissions."

The Green party's Patrick Harvie told BBC Scotland's Politics Show: "It has taken a very long time to get this decision out, we still haven't heard it and I think that's regrettable. We need to be pressing on and getting the work done." He said ministers could go to the forthcoming climate conference in Copenhagen and boast that the scheme was under way.

But Dennis Canavan, former MSP and current president of Ramblers Association Scotland, told the programme: "If it does get the go-ahead then it will be an unacceptable act of vandalism. In Scotland we're very blessed, we've got some of the most scenic countryside in the world. It's a national asset, it's something that we should be looking after not just for ourselves but for future generations."

Liz Smith, Scottish Conservative MSP for Mid-Scotland and Fife, said: "There will be many people across our local communities who are extremely concerned about the news that the Scottish Government is going to push ahead with this project. There is no doubt about the need for an upgrade to our electricity grid but I have never been convinced that other alternatives, especially upgrading the east coast route or building undersea cables, were properly examined."

A Scottish government spokesman said: "Ministers will make a decision on the Beauly-Denny power line before the end of this year taking into account all relevant factors."


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 07, 2009, 20:46:02
Due to public pressure, National Grid are running three more consultation days. From the Clevedon Mercury (http://www.thisissomerset.co.uk/clevedon/news/National-Grid-announces-meeting-dates-controversial-proposals/article-1479566-detail/article.html):

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National Grid announces more meeting dates over controversial proposals

National Grid has announced three more public meetings following a number of requests from residents concerned about proposals to install 400,000 volt power cables in North Somerset.

The company says the line, which would be about 37 miles long and cost around ^2 million per mile, is needed to bring electricity from the proposed new nuclear power station at Hinkley Point to an electricity substation at Avonmouth.

It organised 14 public consultation meetings at various locations but scores of residents living in Nailsea were angry that they had to travel to Backwell to find out more about the proposals.

In response residents, who set up a Save Our Valley campaign, organised a special public meeting for people to have their say.

Since then National Grid has agreed to hold three extra meetings, one of those being in Nailsea.

This takes place in the sports hall at Scotch Horn Leisure Centre, Brockway, on Thursday, November 26. The other two are schedule for Wednesday, November 18, at Portbury Village Hall, 1 High Street, Portbury and at Trinity Community Hall, Trinity Primary School, Marjoram Way, Portishead, on Thursday, November 19. All take place from 2-4pm and 6-8pm.

National Grid's project manager Peter Bryant said: "We have added these extra dates following requests from local residents who wanted more of an opportunity to discuss the proposals. We are very keen for people to come along to these exhibitions and tell us what they think of our plans. After carrying out extensive studies we have identified two potential route corridors, which are stretches of land in which the overhead line could be sites. We have no preference as to which corridor is chosen so the views of local people will help us make the decision."


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Sue Turner on November 08, 2009, 18:18:20
Hi - there is now a campaign group up & running for people who want to oppose National Grid's proposal to put 150 feet high pylons & 400kV cables along the valley between Nailsea and Backwell.  This would run very close to the station at Nailsea & Backwell and up the lovely English valley that is such a picturesque sight from the railway.  Please help us fight off this awful proposal - join us at www.save-our-valley.co.uk/join.html
Thank you!


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: John R on November 08, 2009, 19:36:12
I certainly will Sue. Thank you for taking the trouble to post the link, and also for setting up the campaign.



Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Phil on November 08, 2009, 19:37:21
Welcome to the forum, Sue Turner, and I hope you find some of the wide-ranging posts here of interest to you as a rail user.

I know for instance that your own local station, Nailsea and Backwell, is well represented on here in terms of news, views and information.


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: grahame on November 08, 2009, 20:18:01
The coming of the canals was regarded by some as blot on the landscape and special conditions were called for by some landowners "The Wroughton family permitted the Kennet and Avon canal to cross their land on two conditions: that it be widened to form an ornamental lake, known as Wide Water, west of their manor house; and that the view of the lake be closed by an ornate bridge over the canal." (link) (http://www.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getconcise.php?id=243)

A similar thing happened with the railways "At Ravenscar you will see a sign for the old Ravenscar tunnels, which was built because the old landlord did not want the railway to pass over his land (a blot on the landscape)."  (link) (http://www.tandems.co.uk/community/articles/read/whitby-scarborough-whitby-by-kate-and-andy/)

Sue - welcome indeed to the forum.  May I take it from what I read on your website that you're asking for the Ravenscar option which was won in a previous generation, rather than the Wilcot (Wide Water) one?

P.S.  I'm not from the valley ... and don't have the knowledge to comment on the specifics.  But I do very much agree with communities getting together to reminder some of the more macro planners that there are real people that their plans will effect!


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 09, 2009, 02:16:31
This meeting has been arranged to allow concerned residents in Nailsea and the surrounding area to give their views on the National Grid proposals.

For further details, see www.save-our-valley.co.uk/join.html

To contact the campaign organiser, e-mail to saveourvalleyBS48@yahoo.co.uk

For a related post on this forum, see http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=5515.msg53986#msg53986


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 06, 2010, 16:28:06
The deadline for submitting responses to the National Grid consultation is on Friday - 8 January 2010.

I'll remove the 'sticky' label from this topic then.  In the meantime, please do send in your comments, if you haven't already done so!

Thanks, Chris.


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: John R on January 06, 2010, 16:32:29
Done. I notice there was a decision due today on a pylon proposal through the Scottish Highlands, so we're not the only ones to have this inflicted on us.


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 20, 2010, 15:37:34
A couple of updates on this: National Grid have extended the deadline for responses to the consultation to 22 January 2010, and Woodspring MP Liam Fox led a debate in the House of Commons on 19 January - recorded coverage is on the BBC website (http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_8465000/8465520.stm?t=38s).


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: moonrakerz on January 20, 2010, 18:56:10
I wonder how many protest groups would be set up if planning permission was now being sought to build a "monstrosity"like this   ??? ???

http://lisavalentine.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/ribblehead.jpg

or this   ??? ???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Albert_Bridge_2009.jpg


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: grahame on January 20, 2010, 20:05:13
I wonder how many protest groups would be set up if planning permission was now being sought to build a "monstrosity"like this 

On modern day stuff ... were there may objections to this? :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Falkirk_wheel.jpg


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: moonrakerz on January 20, 2010, 20:27:34
I wonder how many protest groups would be set up if planning permission was now being sought to build a "monstrosity"like this 

On modern day stuff ... were there may objections to this? :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Falkirk_wheel.jpg

Don't remember any - they were probably pushed to page 37 of the Daily Record by all the protests about HS 1  ;D ;D


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 23, 2010, 16:06:41
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/8476753.stm):

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A North Somerset MP has compared the consultation over the proposed new pylon route from Hinkley Point to being asked how one wants to executed.
Dr Liam Fox told Parliament: "We have been offered the choice between two different land corridors with overhead cables.
"It is not much of a consultation - the choice between being hanged and being beheaded," the Woodspring MP added.
National Grid wants to run 400,000 volt power lines to Avonmouth.
The company's formal consultation period, which included public meetings and exhibitions in villages along both of the two proposed route, ended at midnight on Friday.
Dr Fox, who was grilling energy minister David Kidney about the plan, was supported in his concerns by three other Somerset MPs.
Wells MP David Heathcoat-Amory, Weston-super-Mare MP John Penrose and Bridgwater's Ian Liddell-Grainger also pressed the minister over the plans.
Mr Kidney conceded the consultation, which included the Christmas period and time affected by bad weather, could be seen as "inadequate".
But he added: "My understanding, however, is that there must be a second-stage consultation, which will run from February 2010 to March 2011, for which National Grid will be seeking views on its preferred route corridor.
"National Grid is therefore at the very beginning of the process for the proposal."
Campaigners want the power company to consider an underground route for the power lines.
The firm wants to have the 37-mile route in operation by 2016.


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 26, 2010, 16:55:06
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8538871.stm):

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National Grid urged to reconsider pylons consultation

National Grid has been urged to rethink its consultation on plans to build pylons from Avonmouth in Bristol to Hinkley Point in west Somerset.
The advice has come from the Infrastructure Planning Commission, the body that will ultimately decide if the 151ft (46m) pylons can be erected.
It advised National Grid to explain why running the cables underground or in the Bristol Channel is not be possible.
The energy company has said a full proposal will not be ready until 2011.


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 03, 2010, 16:44:15
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8546530.stm):

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Further consultation on National Grid pylon plans

National Grid has announced a series of events to further explain its plans to build pylons from Avonmouth in Bristol to Hinkley Point in west Somerset.
The move comes after the energy company was urged to rethink its public consultation by the Infrastructure Planning Commission (IPC).
The first phase of consultation prompted 2,000 feedback forms, 1,100 e-mails and letters and 100 phone calls.
National Grid said it would announce the new events shortly.
The IPC, the body that will ultimately decide if the 151ft (46m) pylons can be erected, had advised National Grid to explain why running the cables underground or in the Bristol Channel would not be possible.
David Mercer, the energy company's major project manager, said: "In response to these concerns, we have decided to provide both written information and further opportunities for local people to meet the project team, and would welcome further public comments."


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Tim on March 05, 2010, 10:30:33
Most other European countries are burying their new cables.  We are told that is too expensive (although National Grid never carry out proper comparative costings and merely refer back to a old study done in Scotland (Bueley-Denny) which found that the cost of burying cables in remote grantite moorland was high without really thinking about whether it is directly applicable to burial in other areas of the country or without considering new technologies such as trenchless tunnelling). 

It would be quicker and cheaper to run your house-wiring on the surface of the wall.  But almost everyone goes to the expense and disruption of burrying it in plaster. 


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 13, 2010, 20:19:50
Rather better news in the Cotswolds: from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/8679799.stm):

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Dismantling of old pylons in Gloucestershire continues

The second phase of a ^1.6m plan to dismantle 140 disused electricity pylons in the Cotswolds is under way.
The pylons were linked to the former Berkeley power station and have been superseded by more modern versions.
In this phase, 53 of the metal towers and their overhead lines are being brought down along 15km (9 miles) of farmland from Cam to Chavenage Green.
The first phase of Southern Electric's project to remove the redundant lines started last autumn.
The third and final stage of the project, from Tetbury to Minety in Wiltshire, will take place later this year.


Title: Re: National Grid's proposals for pylons: Hinkley Point C Connection Project
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 06, 2012, 18:14:09
From This is Bristol (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Nailsea-campaigners-celebrate-news-power-lines/story-17246520-detail/story.html):

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Nailsea campaigners celebrate news that power lines won't go up near homes

Campaigners fighting plans to erect a 400,000 volt overhead power line near their homes in Nailsea are celebrating ^ after energy chiefs agreed to site it further away from their properties.

People living along the western fringes of the town have been campaigning for the last three years for the route of a new power line, proposed by National Grid to be changed.

Residents said the towering pylons ^ which would have been just metres from their homes - would cause a blight on their properties, pose possible health problems and destroy the nearby countryside.

National Grid, which published its draft plan for the route this week, say the new 37-mile line between Avonmouth and Bridgwater, is needed to bring electricity onto its transmission network.

Now after mounting pressure from residents the energy giant has agreed to move the new line further away from homes across Nailsea Moor towards Tickenham.

It has also agreed to dismantle both existing 132,000 volt lines which currently cross people^s gardens in Causeway View and Rhyne View.

One of the lines will be placed underground - meaning the blight of pylons adjacent to properties will be a thing of the past.

The line will then go towards Yatton and follow the existing line towards Churchill and Sandford, where a new sub-station will be built.

Nailsea Against Pylons Action Group spokeswoman, Fiona Erleigh, said it was good news for people living in the town, but the group would continue to press for the entire line to be undergrounded.

Mrs Erleigh said: ^We are pleasantly surprised by the announcement. It is good news for the people of Nailsea who have pylons in their gardens or directly next to their homes. I am also pleased for Nailsea residents that National Grid has listened to their concerns and moved the proposed power line further away from homes. However we will still be pressing for the entire route of this new power line to be undergrounded.^

The existing power line which crosses Tickenham Ridge will be taken down with the new line being routed to avoid the historic Priors Wood at Portbury.

The line will then come over the hill and follow the M5 before crossing over and following the A369.

The Portbury Wharf nature reserve will not be affected and the line has been kept away from homes.

The line from Portbury Dock to Avonmouth will follow the western edge of the village and the taller pylons along the river will be replaced with smaller ones.

The existing overhead line above Avonmouth Church of England Primary School will also be removed.

An eight kilometre stretch of the line through the Mendip Hills Area of Natural Outstanding Beauty (AONB) will also be undergrounded following pressure from residents, councillors and local MPs.

The five mile stretch to go underground will run under the Somerset Levels from near Biddisham north to the old Strawberry Line Bridge near Sandford.

As part of the scheme, the existing 132,000 line will be taken down, ridding the beauty spot of unsightly pylons.

Plans for the new power line were first introduced in 2009, with Weston MP John Penrose and North Somerset MP Liam Fox taking residents^ concerns to parliament.

Several hundred people also organised a march through Somerset^s villages to protest against the plans.

Mr Penrose said: ^This is great news for everyone who lives in and visits the Mendip Hill Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty. If these whopping great pylons had gone ahead we'd have damaged some of our finest countryside. I^m absolutely delighted a combination of local pressure and good sense have won through.^

As part of the moves to underground some areas of the route, the number of pylons being used along the route of the overhead line will reduce from 240 to 145.

National Grid Senior Project Manager, Peter Bryant, said: ^We^ve been very keen to listen to the views of local people, for example on the importance of the Mendip Hills where we now plan to use underground cables. We understand people have concerns about overhead lines, but where they are used, we will work hard to reduce any visual effects by routeing the line carefully and using appropriate pylon designs, which could include the new T-Pylon.^

Further information on the draft route can be found at www.hinkleyconnection.co.uk.

Residents can also visit National Grid^s community information hubs in Congresbury, Nailsea and Avonmouth during November and December to find out more about the project.

Following consultation on the draft route, National Grid will consult on more detailed proposals before making a formal application for consent to construct the connection.

The Government will make a decision based on a recommendation made by the Planning Inspectorate.



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