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Title: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Btline on October 16, 2009, 18:03:38
First came the news that Tory Mayor, Boris Johnson, was to put up fares in the middle of a recession (to pay for his scraping of several congestion charging policies; i.e. making some of the poorest Londoners pay more to save some Chelsea tractor owners a few bob - good priorities).

Then came a video allegedly showing a staff member verbally "assaulting" a passenger.

What does this forum make of the events?


Title: 'Tube worker filmed ranting at man', from the BBC (16/10/2009)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 16, 2009, 18:06:00
From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8310436.stm):

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Footage of a Tube worker yelling at an elderly man and calling him a "jumped up little git" has emerged - a day after the announcement fares will rise. The images, captured by another passenger, show the man in conversation with an Underground steward. The worker then calls him a "jumped up little git" and a "little girl" before apparently threatening to "sling him under the train".

Mayor of London Boris Johnson said he was "appalled" by the video.

The video was shot by businessman Jonathan McDonald. Describing his version of events leading up to the scene, Mr McDonald said the elderly man had got his arm stuck in the door of the train. Mr McDonald said when the victim told the Tube worker what had happened, he was sworn at three times in an attempt to make him stand behind the yellow line.

Mr McDonald said: "The elderly guy quietly questioned why he had to swear, as did several other passengers. [The worker] literally screamed in this guy's face. That was when I pulled out my video camera. Right at the end of the clip you hear him exclaim 'sling him under a train'."

Mr McDonald thinks the incident is particularly bad coming the day after Mayor of London Boris Johnson increased prices on the Underground. He said: "So we have staff threatening to throw passengers under trains and in return, prices going up. Are we supposed to tolerate this?"

Mr McDonald continued: "At the end of the clip you see the look of utter disdain from the female guard. I said, 'he will lose his job for this'. She laughed and walked away in the assumption that we have no power."

A TfL spokesman said: "We are appalled by the scene captured in this video and will investigate thoroughly and urgently what took place and what led to it. We do not tolerate members of the public being abusive to our staff but neither will we tolerate members of our staff abusing members of the public."

Boris Johnson put a response on Twitter: "Appalled by the video. Have asked TfL to investigate urgently. Abuse by staff is never acceptable."


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: super tm on October 16, 2009, 18:07:34
You cant say they are connected surely !!!


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: devon_metro on October 16, 2009, 18:14:50
First came the news that Tory Mayor, Boris Johnson, was to put up fares in the middle of a recession (to pay for his scraping of several congestion charging policies; i.e. making some of the poorest Londoners pay more to save some Chelsea tractor owners a few bob - good priorities).

Then came a video allegedly showing a staff member verbally "assaulting" a passenger.

What does this forum make of the events?

Yes, because travelling around London is so outrageously expensive. Might I suggest to any residents of London to come to where I live where it certainly isn't cheap to use the buses when the service is so awful in comparison.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Timmer on October 16, 2009, 19:20:24
He had no choice after the mess left behind by the previous administration.

Fares would have still gone up if Red Ken was still in charge. Makes no difference whos in power fares will always go one way and thats up.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Btline on October 16, 2009, 21:32:52
No, the reason why fares have gone up is that Boris has scrapped certain Congestion charge proposals (put forward by Ken), meaning there is a funding gap. If he scraps the Western congestion charge zone watch the fares go even further.

And London's fares are really expensive. You can get a day ticket on the Paris Metro for less than a single tube journey!

Whether you like Boris or not, Ken was better for London's tranport. Just look at what's been done since Boris took over!


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: John R on October 16, 2009, 21:41:53
A day ticket for less than ^1.60?


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Phil on October 16, 2009, 21:47:13
I quite like the fact that people can't (or at least shouldn't) glug alcohol on the Tube.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Ollie on October 16, 2009, 21:56:09
A day ticket for less than ^1.60?
Or ^4 without Oyster..


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: John R on October 16, 2009, 22:09:54
If you don't use Oyster then you are either a foreign tourist or an infrequent visitor who won't suffer the ongoing high costs of cash fares.

The danger is of course that Oyster fares will creep up. ^1.50 to ^1.80 in two years. Next year (ie 2011) I bet you it will be ^2.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Btline on October 16, 2009, 22:24:09
A day ticket for less than ^1.60?

About ^1.40


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Ollie on October 16, 2009, 23:00:58
If you don't use Oyster then you are either a foreign tourist or an infrequent visitor who won't suffer the ongoing high costs of cash fares.

The danger is of course that Oyster fares will creep up. ^1.50 to ^1.80 in two years. Next year (ie 2011) I bet you it will be ^2.
Or me who can't find my Oyster, and really isn't in the mood to ever try find it, and rushes to much so can't sort a new one :P


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: moonrakerz on October 16, 2009, 23:18:39
to pay for his scraping of several congestion charging policies

What does this forum make of the events?

He's obviously after his "rake off" !  (Sorry, couldn't resist that   ;D)


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 16, 2009, 23:21:16
Ooh: scraping the barrel there, moonrakerz!  ;D


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 28, 2009, 20:18:52
An update on the 'London Tube rant' story, from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8325406.stm):

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Commuter rant Tube worker resigns

A London Underground worker who was seen yelling at an elderly passenger in a video has resigned from his job.

Transport for London said Ian Morbin, a customer service assistant, handed in his resignation over the incident at Holborn station on 15 October. Mr Morbin has apologised but TfL said the behaviour was "unacceptable".

The video shows him calling the man "a jumped up little git" and "little girl" before apparently threatening to "sling him under the train".

The statement said: "Mr Ian Morbin, a Customer Service Assistant at Holborn Tube station, has advised London Underground that he wishes to resign for personal reasons. He has informed us he would like to apologise for the incident involving a passenger at Holborn Tube station on Thursday 15 October and hopes that his actions have not detracted from the professional job done by hundreds of London Underground staff every day. As we made clear from the moment this incident was brought to our attention this kind of behaviour is totally unacceptable and does not represent the way our staff go about their jobs helping millions of customers every day."

The incident was captured on video by businessman Jonathan McDonald, a fellow commuter at the central London station. Describing his version of events leading up to the scene, Mr McDonald said the elderly man had got his arm stuck in the door of the train. When the victim told the Tube worker what had happened, he was sworn at three times in an attempt to make him stand behind the yellow line, he said.

Mr Morbin can be heard threatening to call the police to deal with the passenger, who is understood to have done nothing wrong.

After the footage emerged London Mayor Boris Johnson put a response on Twitter saying he was "appalled by the video".


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: JayMac on October 28, 2009, 21:15:16
An update on the 'London Tube rant' story, from the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8325406.stm):

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Commuter rant Tube worker resigns

A London Underground worker who was seen yelling at an elderly passenger in a video has resigned from his job.

Transport for London said Ian Morbin, a customer service assistant, handed in his resignation over the incident at Holborn station on 15 October. Mr Morbin has apologised but TfL said the behaviour was "unacceptable".

The video shows him calling the man "a jumped up little git" and "little girl" before apparently threatening to "sling him under the train".

The statement said: "Mr Ian Morbin, a Customer Service Assistant at Holborn Tube station, has advised London Underground that he wishes to resign for personal reasons. He has informed us he would like to apologise for the incident involving a passenger at Holborn Tube station on Thursday 15 October and hopes that his actions have not detracted from the professional job done by hundreds of London Underground staff every day. As we made clear from the moment this incident was brought to our attention this kind of behaviour is totally unacceptable and does not represent the way our staff go about their jobs helping millions of customers every day."

The incident was captured on video by businessman Jonathan McDonald, a fellow commuter at the central London station. Describing his version of events leading up to the scene, Mr McDonald said the elderly man had got his arm stuck in the door of the train. When the victim told the Tube worker what had happened, he was sworn at three times in an attempt to make him stand behind the yellow line, he said.

Mr Morbin can be heard threatening to call the police to deal with the passenger, who is understood to have done nothing wrong.

After the footage emerged London Mayor Boris Johnson put a response on Twitter saying he was "appalled by the video".

Did he fall, or was he pushed?  ;D ;D


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: ChrisB on October 29, 2009, 09:38:16
No, the reason why fares have gone up is that Boris has scrapped certain Congestion charge proposals (put forward by Ken), meaning there is a funding gap. If he scraps the Western congestion charge zone watch the fares go even further.

The reason Ken made those proposals was because HE KNEW he had a funding gap, and his only choice was implementation (to fill this gap) or to put up fares himself....
Boris made the difficult choice. No one knows what Ken would have done because the public kicked him out first....

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And London's fares are really expensive. You can get a day ticket on the Paris Metro for less than a single tube journey!

That's bollocks! Show me Paris Metro webpage that shows me the price being less than ^1.60 (about 2 euro)

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Whether you like Boris or not, Ken was better for London's tranport. Just look at what's been done since Boris took over!

Go on, tell us.....

Btline - you obviously don't live or work in LOndon, and seem to allow your views to be politically slanted. I suggest you do some research and until then, don't talk about stuff you know nowt about.....
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Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: JayMac on October 29, 2009, 10:00:06
No, the reason why fares have gone up is that Boris has scrapped certain Congestion charge proposals (put forward by Ken), meaning there is a funding gap. If he scraps the Western congestion charge zone watch the fares go even further.

The reason Ken made those proposals was because HE KNEW he had a funding gap, and his only choice was implementation (to fill this gap) or to put up fares himself....
Boris made the difficult choice. No one knows what Ken would have done because the public kicked him out first....

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And London's fares are really expensive. You can get a day ticket on the Paris Metro for less than a single tube journey!

That's bollocks! Show me Paris Metro webpage that shows me the price being less than ^1.60 (about 2 euro)

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Whether you like Boris or not, Ken was better for London's tranport. Just look at what's been done since Boris took over!

Go on, tell us.....

Btline - you obviously don't live or work in LOndon, and seem to allow your views to be politically slanted. I suggest you do some research and until then, don't talk about stuff you know nowt about.....


If Btline is wrong, there is no need to swear at him. That kind of response does your point of view no favours. And it is perfectly valid for someone to an opinion about TfL whether they live in London or not. I'm an infrequent visitor to the capital myself and use the public transport when I'm there. Does that preclude me from commenting on TfL and the politicians that run it?


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: ChrisB on October 29, 2009, 10:05:35
Everyone is indeed entitled to a POV, providing that it isn't presented as fact when it isn't anything of the sort.

And I was commenting on his post, not him himself.....


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Btline on October 29, 2009, 12:45:45
I don't think I'll bother wasting time writing a response as I doubt you'll take it in.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: ChrisB on October 29, 2009, 12:54:53
No, you'll do better spending the time reading up & informing yourself, rather than writing uninformed stuff on here.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: grahame on October 29, 2009, 13:01:29
It is somewhat ironic that the thread is discussing a customer service assistant who has resigned because of hurling insults at customers ... and we seem to be headed in this direction ourselves on this thread.

"Children ... please...."  ;D


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Btline on October 29, 2009, 14:20:10
No, you'll do better spending the time reading up & informing yourself, rather than writing uninformed stuff on here.

Perhaps you should read up on what Boris has cut, instead of claiming here that I've made it up.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: ChrisB on October 29, 2009, 14:24:32
And Ken wouldn't have made the same cuts, what with this recession upon us?

Either he would, or his fares would be going higher than Boris's. He left a big hole for Boris in the TfL budget.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: devon_metro on October 29, 2009, 14:45:20
No, you'll do better spending the time reading up & informing yourself, rather than writing uninformed stuff on here.

Perhaps you should read up on what Boris has cut, instead of claiming here that I've made it up.

Aside from the fact that Boris doesn't actually make these decisions outright, no doubt his advisors are similar to the ones Ken had. TfL wanted more money to fund investment, and they have to raise it from somewhere, its not like you can just get bailed out from the govern... oh, wait.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: Btline on October 29, 2009, 15:08:30
And Ken wouldn't have made the same cuts, what with this recession upon us?

Either he would, or his fares would be going higher than Boris's. He left a big hole for Boris in the TfL budget.

But the reason why Boris has had to make the cuts is due to the funding gap caused by the suspension of the Low Emission Zone and the removal of the Western Congestion Charging zone.


Title: Re: London Tube - double whammy of incidents!
Post by: ChrisB on October 29, 2009, 15:21:07
He hasn'tr removed the Western Zone extension yet - at least another year before he does.



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