Title: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: paul7575 on October 08, 2009, 13:36:52 Quote Following the withdrawal of those trains currently worked by Stagecoach South Western west of Exeter, the following weekday package of changes will be made to FGW services to cover the traffic: ^ 0800 SX Cardiff Central -Taunton is extended to Paignton; ^ 1407 SX Taunton-Cardiff Central starts back from Paignton at 1247 calling additionally at Tiverton Parkway; ^ 0900 SX Cardiff Central -Taunton is extended to Plymouth calling Tiverton Parkway, Exeter St Davids, Newton Abbot, thence all stations to Plymouth; ^ An additional 1748 SX Plymouth-Exeter St Davids service runs; ^ A 1710 SX Exeter St Davids-St James Park service will operate. This then forms a 1739 St James Park - Paignton calling all stations; ^ A 1912 SX Paignton - Exeter St Davids train operates; ^ 1508 SX Plymouth-Newton Abbot (all stations) and 1600 SX Newton Abbot - Plymouth (all stations) trains will operate In conjunction with a 1610 SX Exeter-Plymouth this will provide an enhanced level of Ivybridge calls in the early evening to service student flowsfrom the college; and ^ The 1008 SX Taunton-Cardiff is to start back from Exeter St Davids at 0933 and the 1300 SX Cardiff-Taunton is extended to Exeter St Davids, both calling at Tiverton Parkway. A similar coverage is provided at weekends; from: http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse%20documents/track%20access/1%20current%20consultations/2009.10.07%20first%20greater%20western%2052nd%20supplemental%20agreemnt%20-%20closing%20date%20for%20responses%2030%20october%202009/draft%2022%20for%20fgw%2052nd%20supp.pdf IIRC, at one stage people were predicting that FGW wouldn't be doing anything as a result of the DfT's withdrawal of through services? Paul Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on October 08, 2009, 17:17:03 A 1710 SX Exeter St Davids-St James Park service will operate. This then forms a 1739 St James Park - Paignton calling all stations;
why??? this is the same as the summer sunday okehampton service why does it start at st james park... its not making up for swt services they dont stop there and central is bidirectional so its not to turn around Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: Hafren on October 08, 2009, 17:48:15 why??? this is the same as the summer sunday okehampton service why does it start at st james park... its not making up for swt services they dont stop there and central is bidirectional so its not to turn around The SWT service will still be running between Waterloo and Exeter (one assumes) - currently it leaves Central at 1735, arriving at St Davids at 1738. So the bi-directional line to Central is occupied at that time, and the new service can't leave St Davids to reverse at Central until after 1738 - assuming there's space for it to wait until then. Which would make the turn-around at Central much tighter. Turning it at Exmouth Junction makes things more robust and flexible. Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: paul7575 on October 08, 2009, 19:22:21 In the new timetable, standard hour Up SWT departures are at XX26, calling at Central from XX29-30.
Most Down calls at Central are from XX37-39, arr St Davids at XX42, however there is still a 1736 SWT dep from Central but it is still shown as arr 1742. Paul Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on October 09, 2009, 00:51:48 why??? this is the same as the summer sunday okehampton service why does it start at st james park... its not making up for swt services they dont stop there and central is bidirectional so its not to turn around The SWT service will still be running between Waterloo and Exeter (one assumes) - currently it leaves Central at 1735, arriving at St Davids at 1738. So the bi-directional line to Central is occupied at that time, and the new service can't leave St Davids to reverse at Central until after 1738 - assuming there's space for it to wait until then. Which would make the turn-around at Central much tighter. Turning it at Exmouth Junction makes things more robust and flexible. nice one mate makes sence now Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: paul7575 on October 09, 2009, 12:27:18 I guess the other potential difficulty this plan overcomes is that for pax from Central towards Paignton (who might have expected to have to change from SWT to FGW at St Davids) can still have a through service. 'Overlapping' the two services between Central and St Davids shares out the changes, which is also good for pax from SWT origins going through to FGW destinations towards Torbay.
This also presumably avoids everyone on the platform at Central piling onto the terminating SWT for one stop, as pax only going to St Davids for other changes towards the north also have a choice of trains. Paul Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: qwerty on October 09, 2009, 14:09:12 I guess the other potential difficulty this plan overcomes is that for pax from Central towards Paignton (who might have expected to have to change from SWT to FGW at St Davids) can still have a through service. 'Overlapping' the two services between Central and St Davids shares out the changes, which is also good for pax from SWT origins going through to FGW destinations towards Torbay. This also presumably avoids everyone on the platform at Central piling onto the terminating SWT for one stop, as pax only going to St Davids for other changes towards the north also have a choice of trains. Paul The old SWT 17.35 ex Central is the major travel home train for commuters for stations to Paignton and is usually wedged. It's no suprise at all that the FGW replacement starts at Central. Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on October 09, 2009, 17:52:02 I guess the other potential difficulty this plan overcomes is that for pax from Central towards Paignton (who might have expected to have to change from SWT to FGW at St Davids) can still have a through service. 'Overlapping' the two services between Central and St Davids shares out the changes, which is also good for pax from SWT origins going through to FGW destinations towards Torbay. This also presumably avoids everyone on the platform at Central piling onto the terminating SWT for one stop, as pax only going to St Davids for other changes towards the north also have a choice of trains. Paul The old SWT 17.35 ex Central is the major travel home train for commuters for stations to Paignton and is usually wedged. It's no suprise at all that the FGW replacement starts at Central. its just a shame that the west of england line loses its direct services past exeter its nice being able to get on at honiton and get to plymouth/ivybridge without a change i Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: TJ on October 09, 2009, 23:29:28 I understood that the 08:00 from Cardiff and 12:47 return from Paignton were to be loco hauled, possibly with something other than 67s. Anyone know the latest?
TJ Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: devon_metro on October 09, 2009, 23:37:05 All 24 Barton Hill drivers are being trained for passenger workings. (Currently 12 trained) so it's likely to be 67s.
Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: qwerty on October 11, 2009, 15:44:30 All 24 Barton Hill drivers are being trained for passenger workings. (Currently 12 trained) so it's likely to be 67s. More like a certainty. FGW will be supplying the conductor only. An Exeter man will book on at 04.00 and travel to BTM for the first leg to cardiff. All the lobbying to bring this work in house fell on deaf ears. Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: paul7575 on October 11, 2009, 20:43:45 Is that a sure sign that as soon as they possibly can they'll revert to using DMUs again, such as cascaded ex LM 150s?
Paul Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: John R on October 11, 2009, 21:35:22 I think it's generally recognised that loco hauled stock is much more expensive than leasing a dmu or two. So for those afficianados of loco haulage, seventies stock with tables, and even "guards" waving green flags and the driver sounding the horn, enjoy it whilst you can. It won't last for ever.
Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: Phil Farmer on November 02, 2009, 10:18:13 Little snippet I found on the SWRG Group this morning - I can't vouch for its acuracy though......
"From the new timetable the 1900 CDF TAU will run ECS to Bishops Lydeard rather than hdg back to Barton Hill it will then run from BL back to TAU the following morning to start the day" Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: signalandtelegraph on November 02, 2009, 14:41:16 New Timetable for Exeter - Waterloo Line
http://swt-p2w.hafas.de/cgi-bin/query-p2w.exe/London_waterlooExeter_st_davids.pdf?pathinfo=/en&dwn=75/75wccqewiakq8k8w_1_1.pdf (http://swt-p2w.hafas.de/cgi-bin/query-p2w.exe/London_waterlooExeter_st_davids.pdf?pathinfo=/en&dwn=75/75wccqewiakq8k8w_1_1.pdf) :) Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: devon_metro on November 02, 2009, 14:46:34 How does one travel from Pinhoe to Feniton?
Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: Cornish Traveller on November 02, 2009, 14:54:10 by bus/car ! (sorry could not resist the urge)
Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 02, 2009, 17:55:50 Little snippet I found on the SWRG Group this morning - I can't vouch for its acuracy though...... "From the new timetable the 1900 CDF TAU will run ECS to Bishops Lydeard rather than hdg back to Barton Hill it will then run from BL back to TAU the following morning to start the day" i cant tell yuu for sure but it has happened before.. the railtour lastmonth with double headed 37's is one example Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: paul7575 on November 02, 2009, 18:45:05 Please note that isn't the whole timetable for the line, just the personalised output for an end to end service. So it doesn't include the early morning and late evening part services that run eg Yeovil - Exeter, or Exeter to Salisbury etc, so in particular it misses out all the morning peak local services towards Exeter...
All the missing services can be found in the normal journey planners, which have been online for a few weeks now... Joking aside about local journeys from Feniton to Pinhoe, they are available in the peaks. But when I checked the timings of those services when all 3 stops occur they lose all the flexibility margins between the Axminster and Pinhoe dual track sections. I guess they have gone for alternate hours normally because it improves overall reliability. Paul Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 02, 2009, 22:05:05 Please note that isn't the whole timetable for the line, just the personalised output for an end to end service. So it doesn't include the early morning and late evening part services that run eg Yeovil - Exeter, or Exeter to Salisbury etc, so in particular it misses out all the morning peak local services towards Exeter... All the missing services can be found in the normal journey planners, which have been online for a few weeks now... Joking aside about local journeys from Feniton to Pinhoe, they are available in the peaks. But when I checked the timings of those services when all 3 stops occur they lose all the flexibility margins between the Axminster and Pinhoe dual track sections. I guess they have gone for alternate hours normally because it improves overall reliability. Paul and these stations wont be losing or gaining any services its just business as normal, which i think is fair for small places such as whimple :-) every 2 hours is adiquate,hourly would be nice but im sure a certain melksham resident some of you may know would be happy with a train every two hours :) Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 02, 2009, 22:09:59 I know him - and he would (provided they were at appropriate times)! ;D
Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 02, 2009, 22:16:38 if they reopened the sidmouth branch and put in a passing loop and station at broadclyst for the airport and ran that every 2 hours then whimple and fen could have an hourly service oh well as ive started day dreaming im going to bed... nite all
Title: Re: Changes for Dec TT - track access application Post by: signalandtelegraph on November 03, 2009, 17:45:03 Please note that isn't the whole timetable for the line, just the personalised output for an end to end service. So it doesn't include the early morning and late evening part services that run eg Yeovil - Exeter, or Exeter to Salisbury etc, so in particular it misses out all the morning peak local services towards Exeter... Sorry, I should have checked properly before posting :( This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |