Title: East Midlands Trains - any opinions? Post by: James Vertigan on September 20, 2009, 21:57:19 Hi all,
Subject to me being able to book the time off from work tomorrow, I shall be spending a week with my parents on holiday in the Peak District in the middle of next month. I'm going to be travelling up by train on the Friday night from St Pancras after work, I just wondered if anyone had any opinions on East Midlands Trains as I've not used them before (although I have travelled from Derby before, but that was when it was Midland Mainline!) I'm going to try and get on one of their Meridian services, and, as usual, I've thought about going First Class - which looks fairly swanky according to this pic http://paulbigland.fotopic.net/p59649392.html (http://paulbigland.fotopic.net/p59649392.html) - no leather seats though! And I think the leg of my journey from Derby to Matlock might come as a bit of a shock after the swankiness of the Meridian! So, just wanted to know if anyone had had any experience of travelling on EMT, particularly on a Meridian... is it comparable to the FGW Adelante? Title: Re: East Midlands Trains - any opinions? Post by: laird on September 20, 2009, 22:11:00 Meridian comfort is certainly comparable to the Adelante, the first class seat is probably a bit better as their standard of interior upkeep is better.
On board service varies somewhat but is not much different from the current FGW offering. With the Virgin trains service lacking at seat audio (and the free first class wifi also not working if today is anything to go by), the general deterioration of the East Coast Mainline offering East Midlands mainline services are now perhaps the best option to the peak district. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains - any opinions? Post by: Worcester_Passenger on September 21, 2009, 20:52:09 My experience is mostly on their Leicester - Bedford (semi-fast) services.
The ride quality on the Meridians is much better than Adelantes. Adelantes had a curious yawing motion which is noticeably absent from the Meridians. Time-keeping generally superior to my experiences with FGW. The one odd thing that they do end up with is when they have two short Meridians coupled together. They have to do a lot of announcements to get all of the Loughborough passengers herded into the half of the train that will stop at Loughborough (the other half won't!). And the First Class service can be different in the two halves : one of my colleagues had a maximum fare, breakfast included, ticket and found (after he'd stowed all his luggage and got the laptop out) that he'd been booked into the no-breakfast half of the train. Shall we say that EMT didn't deal with that very well. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains - any opinions? Post by: Timmer on September 21, 2009, 21:03:20 EMT are a pretty good TOC. I always try and use one of their few HST services where possible. Still smarting over them taking HSTs off the London-Sheffield line which is their longest IC route.
Title: Re: East Midlands Trains - any opinions? Post by: James Vertigan on September 21, 2009, 22:05:21 Well I'm all booked in, picked up my tickets today at Paddington - I'm going on the 17:00 Meridian train on 16th October, which goes through Bedford and Wellingborough before splitting at Kettering (which could be interesting!) and going on to Leicester, Loughborough, East Midlands Parkway, Long Eaton and then Derby (where I change for the train to Matlock).
I'm booked into coach G in First Class on the Meridian - not sure where this'll be on the train and not sure whether it's a normal coach or a quiet one - can't seem to find a seating plan for EMT, so don't know whether the layout is similar to FGW. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains - any opinions? Post by: Btline on September 21, 2009, 22:24:45 I expect the split at Kettering is to allow for the Corby coaches to detach.
Title: Re: East Midlands Trains - any opinions? Post by: inspector_blakey on September 21, 2009, 22:36:57 The Meridians are nice trains, don't be put off by the Voyager bodyshell, the interior spec is vastly superior. I'd quite happily sit on one of those even in standard class for a long journey (went on a trip from St Pancras up to Loughborough with a group of friends including an ex-BR man some time ago, and he was convinced we had sat in first class rather than standard by mistake until we showed him the stickers!
Title: Trains refurbished in ^10m scheme - East Midlands Trains, June 2010 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 13, 2010, 22:49:10 From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/10303967.stm):
Quote A ^10m programme to refurbish 25 East Midlands trains has been completed. The East Midlands Trains carriages now have more seats, improved air conditioning and CCTV. The train firm provides rail services linking Norwich to Liverpool, via Peterborough, Nottingham and Sheffield, and services from London to Derby. The refurbishment programme which has been carried out by DeltaRail in Derby, took 20 months to complete and aims to improve passenger safety and comfort. A spokesman for East Midlands Trains said the new carriages would be a marked improvement on the Liverpool and Norwich route. Internally, the new look trains feature an improved seating layout with more than 10% more seats and new toilet facilities. David Horne, commercial and customer service director of East Midlands Trains, said they had received "some great feedback" about the newly refurbished trains. John Saunders, chair of the Peterborough-Ely-Norwich Rail User Group, said: "This refurbishment has given passengers a brighter decor, cleaner toilets and above all more seats, which were particularly needed on the Liverpool to Norwich route." David Thornhill, chair of Nottinghamshire Campaign for Better Transport, added: "We know the rail industry won't be immune from the spending cuts announced recently. However, what we've seen with this refurbishment is what marvellous results can be achieved with relatively little money being spent." In total, East Midlands Trains is investing almost ^30m to improve its fleet, the company said. The company's 11 High Speed Trains are also currently being refurbished. Title: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: Timmer on August 14, 2010, 12:57:52 Unlikely we will see this on FGW after they have spent money on converting a number of standard class coaches with mini buffet counters but another IC TOC has scrapped buffet cars resorting to a trolley service from the end of this month:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-10939358 Quote Buffet car services are to be scrapped on East Midlands Trains and replaced with a trolley service. The firm, which run trains from Sheffield to London, said standard class passengers could still choose hot and cold drinks, and hot baguettes. First class will have more catering staff, in a bid to reverse a 30% decline in premium passengers. Managers insisted all customers would enjoy an improved experience being served in their seats. EMT are about to begin a refurb program of their meridian fleet. Wonder if they will do a XC and have their serving areas removed. I doubt it.Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 14, 2010, 16:18:08 On the other hand, East Midlands Trains are to offer internet access on their trains. From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-10974659):
Quote Passengers travelling from the East Midlands to London will soon be able to access the internet. East Midlands Trains, which runs services from Nottingham, Derby and Leicester to London St Pancras, has begun to install wifi on its trains. The service will be free to first class passengers but those in second class will have to pay a fee by debit or credit card. It is expected to be installed in all trains by the end of the year. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: brompton rail on August 14, 2010, 17:53:09 BUT, East Coast has both meals in First Class and for Standard class if room ( on some trains and lighter hot food in First on many more) and a Buffet Counter serving a wider range of hot and cold snacks / meals as well as drinks etc, plus a trolley service service in both First and Standard.
I suspect some, more discerning customers from EMT stations will either drive or train to Doncaster, Retford and Grantham for a faster and more comfortable (no Voyager derived trains on EC) journey to London. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: inspector_blakey on August 14, 2010, 20:19:27 In fairness to EMT, the Meridians are poles apart in terms of internal spec from the Voyagers despite being constructed in the same bodyshell, and actually pretty pleasant to travel on.
Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: Super Guard on August 14, 2010, 20:29:01 Managers insisted all customers would enjoy an improved experience being served in their seats. And how many times while on XC do you hear the announcement "Trolley can't come through due to health & safety/luggage/people in the way"? ::) Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: JayMac on August 14, 2010, 20:38:07 I've never quite understood how it is 'an improved experience' to be offered refreshments at the TOCs convenience rather than when you want them.
Walking to the end of Coach F on a Voyager and asking for a coffee and having to wait while an impromptu staff meeting is conducted is not my idea of 'an improved experience'. EMT should tell it like it is - it's a cost cutting exercise and nothing to do with improving the experience for customers. Trolleys are fine on regional services on dmus/emus, but Inter-City operations should have a buffet. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: Btline on August 14, 2010, 21:24:58 Plus East Coast's WiFi is free for all passengers. Something that NX didn't try and screw us for!
Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: smithy on August 14, 2010, 22:49:45 I've never quite understood how it is 'an improved experience' to be offered refreshments at the TOCs convenience rather than when you want them. Walking to the end of Coach F on a Voyager and asking for a coffee and having to wait while an impromptu staff meeting is conducted is not my idea of 'an improved experience'. EMT should tell it like it is - it's a cost cutting exercise and nothing to do with improving the experience for customers. Trolleys are fine on regional services on dmus/emus, but Inter-City operations should have a buffet. not just a walk to coach f and find staff meeting dont forget cash only aswell,w-s-m to new street other morning never saw trolley once despite all the announcements.shocking service since the shops went. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: smithy on August 14, 2010, 22:53:02 In fairness to EMT, the Meridians are poles apart in terms of internal spec from the Voyagers despite being constructed in the same bodyshell, and actually pretty pleasant to travel on. very true they looked at how bad the voyagers were and worked with bombardier to provide something better than a mobile toilet,in comparison they are a very comfortable set. since getting the meridiens they have looked after them better aswell especially since arriva took on Xcountry. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: Mookiemoo on August 15, 2010, 01:04:22 1642 new street to Bristol
Accepted cards New development? Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: JayMac on August 15, 2010, 04:54:52 Could be.
I take it the Customer Host had a chip 'n pin jobbie? Paging readytostart.... who maybe able to tell us whether the XC Retail Services Managers have now got the facility to take card payments. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: Timmer on August 15, 2010, 10:01:44 In fairness to EMT, the Meridians are poles apart in terms of internal spec from the Voyagers despite being constructed in the same bodyshell, and actually pretty pleasant to travel on. I agree they are better than Voyagers and I recently travelled on one from London to Sheffield but spent most of the journey wishing EMT were still operating HSTs between LON-SHF as they are poles apart. I guess I just don't think underfloor engined trains should be operating IC long distance services.Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: readytostart on August 17, 2010, 00:57:52 Could be. I take it the Customer Host had a chip 'n pin jobbie? Paging readytostart.... who maybe able to tell us whether the XC Retail Services Managers have now got the facility to take card payments. Apologies, was in Edinburgh on a jolly, Voyager all the way (albeit with an overnight stay in both directions in Birmingham!)! Reading depot trialled new chip and pin devices on the trollies (same device that issues receipts) trial was successful and now all depots (as of last Monday) should be accepting cards when systems are working. Most credit and debit cards are accepted with the exception of Diners, JCB, Solo, Electron and pre-paid cards. For the casual reader please note this is in XC land and not FGW. Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: JayMac on August 17, 2010, 01:04:11 Thanks for that, readytostart.
A welcome improvement, but I'd still rather there was a shop/buffet. Now I wonder when or if FGW will upgrade their ancient British Airways cast off credit/debit machines. A recent card transaction at a FGW buffet took 11 days to be debited from my account. Would've been quicker if I'd paid by cheque! Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: woody on August 17, 2010, 21:42:55 Unlikely we will see this on FGW after they have spent money on converting a number of standard class coaches with mini buffet counters but another IC TOC has scrapped buffet cars resorting to a trolley service from the end of this month: Quoting from the same article "David Horne, commercial director at East Midlands Trains, said: "This will be better for passengers as we will be bringing the refreshments to them instead of them having to walk through a moving train to get to the buffet car."I would like to see them try that on one of FGWs Penzance services with coach ends and vestibules often piled high with of large luggage cases.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-10939358 Quote Buffet car services are to be scrapped on East Midlands Trains and replaced with a trolley service. The firm, which run trains from Sheffield to London, said standard class passengers could still choose hot and cold drinks, and hot baguettes. First class will have more catering staff, in a bid to reverse a 30% decline in premium passengers. Managers insisted all customers would enjoy an improved experience being served in their seats. EMT are about to begin a refurb program of their meridian fleet. Wonder if they will do a XC and have their serving areas removed. I doubt it.Title: Re: East Midlands Trains to close buffet cars Post by: paul7575 on August 17, 2010, 22:38:41 The linked BBC report on this does say that the buffet counters would be still used when trains were full.
Same routine as SWT operate reasonably succesfully if that's the case - on full 444s they serve from the minibuffet counter, and on a packed 450 with a trolleys they usually set up in the cycle area. Paul Title: Train firm slashes fuel consumption by 800,000 litres Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 05, 2011, 17:29:54 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13660083):
Quote East Midlands Trains has saved 800,000 litres of fuel by using energy saving technology in the past year, the company says. The firm is using a new fuel additive which has resulted in a 4.4% improvement in fuel economy. East Midlands Trains also uses an energy-saving engine standby mode to reduce carbon emissions. Any train which stands still in a station for more than seven minutes virtually shut downs its engines. New recycling collections are also being introduced at all stations and offices which will increase the amount of waste that the company recycles. Managing director Tim Shoveller said the firm, owned by the Stagecoach Group, has also refurbished waiting rooms and bathrooms at stations fitting them with motion-sensitive lighting and energy efficient hand-dryers. Stagecoach Group is investing ^11m in a bid to reduce buildings CO2 emissions by 8% and cut annual fleet transport CO2 emissions by 3% by April 2014. The firm is aiming to reduce its CO2 emissions by 40,000 tonnes annually by April 2014. Title: Re: Train firm slashes fuel consumption by 800,000 litres Post by: IndustryInsider on June 05, 2011, 20:57:14 I've recently noticed that Voyagers seem to now be fitted with this eco-mode where all bar one of the engines shuts down after a few minutes. About time too, as watching them sit in platform 7 for 35 minutes every hour when turning around at Reading must have wasted so much fuel over the years. Can anyone confirm they've been fitted with an energy saving mode as per EMT's Meridians in the article?
Title: Re: Train firm slashes fuel consumption by 800,000 litres Post by: inspector_blakey on June 06, 2011, 04:16:08 Aren't FGW's HST powercars fitted with something similar whereby after a few minutes of idling the engine switches off one bank of cylinders and fires only on the other?
From observation though it also seems that FGW drivers tend to shut down power cars rather than leave them idling for long periods (I'm thinking at Temple Meads for example, where an HST set will often spend some time sitting in the platform before departure). Title: Re: East Midlands Trains - any opinions? Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 06, 2014, 21:16:46 With an apology on my part for resurrecting this rather ancient topic ( ;) ) - from The Star (http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/business/east-midlands-trains-backed-by-customers-1-6770901):
Quote East Midlands Trains backed by customers Staff at East Midlands Trains are celebrating after being named as the best rail operator in a recent customer survey. The report by the Institute of Customer Services examined passenger attitudes to 25 different transport companies who provide rail, coach, air and ferry services. East Midlands Trains finished seventh overall in the survey, the best-performing rail operator. It was placed ahead of rivals Virgin Trains, East Coast and First Great Western. Other rail companies included in the survey were First Scotrail, Northern Rail, First Great Western, London Midland, Transpennine Express, South West Trains, First Capital Connect and South Eastern. Neil Micklethwaite, customer service and commercial director for East Midlands Trains, said: ^This is a great achievement and is testament to the hard work and effort of our employees in delivering significantly improved customer service. Whilst it^s always great to be rated against other train operators, our real objective is to be ranked as one of the best customer service organisations in the country and these latest Customer Service Satisfaction Index scores mark a significant step towards that goal. I am delighted with the progress we have made so far and we will continue to focus on delivering the best possible service for our customers.^ The UK Customer Satisfaction Index is published twice a year, with the most recent results published in July. It is based on feedback from almost 10,000 people and is carried out through an online survey of actual consumers. For more information, visit www.instituteofcustomerservice.com This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |