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Title: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 22, 2009, 18:40:52 From the Exeter Express & Echo:
Quote More than 7,000 rail services run by the firm that operates trains between Exeter and London were cancelled in one year alone. Around half were the fault of First Great Western itself, while the rest were blamed on Network Rail, which is responsible for the track, or other train operators. Despite this the Government says FGW was currently meeting its target to cut the number [of] cancellations. Responding to a parliamentary questions into the performance of FGW, Transport Minister Paul Clark said that in the 12 months to March 30, 2009, 7,024 First Great Western trains had been cancelled. ^Of this total, 3,055 cancellations were attributable to First Great Western itself, the others being caused by Network Rail or by other train operators. These figures include partial cancellations (where a train departs but does not complete its planned journey),^ he said. ^Officials meet First Great Western at least every four weeks to review overall progress of the franchise.^ FGW did not provide a comment. For the full article, see http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/7-000-FGW-s-services-cancelled-year/article-1015126-detail/article.html Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: devon_metro on May 22, 2009, 18:45:24 That cannot be right??
Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Timmer on May 22, 2009, 18:48:25 That cannot be right?? Very likely when short run services are classed as a cancellation. Is it classed as a cancellation if a train misses stops during the journey?Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Btline on May 22, 2009, 18:51:04 That cannot be right?? Very likely when short run services are classed as a cancellation. Is it classed as a cancellation if a train misses stops during the journey?It should be, because as far as the passengers from those station are concerned, their train has been cancelled! Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 22, 2009, 20:11:45 That cannot be right?? Is it possible that you are casting doubt on figures provided by a Government minister, devon_metro?? :o ::) ;D Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: devon_metro on May 22, 2009, 20:20:17 That cannot be right?? Is it possible that you are casting doubt on figures provided by a Government minister, devon_metro?? :o ::) ;D Oh the irony ;) ;D Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: grahame on May 22, 2009, 20:21:11 That cannot be right?? Is it possible that you are casting doubt on figures provided by a Government minister, devon_metro?? :o ::) ;D I calculate a cancellation rate of 1.6% (98.4% of trains running) equates to 7000 cancellations per year - based on 8500 scheduled services per week. Seems plausible to me ... counting trains that didn't serve every station they shoulf have done, current rate for last 2 days is 98.6% ( http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/running.php ). Note that this page only lists notified short term cancellations (not those which are cancelled well ahead for engineering works) but on the other hand it does cound trains that skip stops or run a short route - so it tallies up a Brighton to Malvern train that only gets to Shrub Hill (at one extrerme) and the Foregate Street to Southampton service that only got as far as Shrub Hill on the other. Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Super Guard on May 22, 2009, 21:24:21 Wouldn't be like the Express & Echo to sensationalise anything now would it? ::)
Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: kizzers on May 25, 2009, 15:21:48 Now now, E&E is a credible newspaper, as much as its bigger brother the Western Morning News! Described often as the Daily Mail with hay bales and manure.
Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: moonrakerz on May 25, 2009, 19:11:06 That cannot be right?? Very likely when short run services are classed as a cancellation. Is it classed as a cancellation if a train misses stops during the journey?It should be, because as far as the passengers from those station are concerned, their train has been cancelled! This reminds me of an incident many years ago, reported I believe in the Southampton Evening Echo. At Bursledon station one Sunday morning, the train arrived, but stopped way down the platform, as the couple of passengers hurried down to board the train, the guard leant out of his door and shouted:- "don't hurry, you can't get on. We've only only stopped to tell you that this train doesn't stop here on Sundays any more" I suppose he meant well ! Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Btline on May 25, 2009, 19:19:16 Why didn't he just let them on? The train has already stopped!
And can TOCs announce timetable changes like that? Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: devon_metro on May 25, 2009, 19:30:05 Why didn't he just let them on? The train has already stopped! Unauthorised stop = the sack Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Btline on May 25, 2009, 21:05:22 I won't dig too much, but I fail to see how it is unauthorised. It seems only fair to passengers to be let on, if the timetable change is announced in that way. ???
Hmmm, and haven't they already stopped? Or do the doors have to be unlcoked for a "stop" to become official? ::) Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 25, 2009, 21:16:15 Hmm. I rather got the impression, from this story, that the timetable change had perhaps already been decided, and had no doubt already been announced on posters / in the timetable?
However, on seeing a couple of potential passengers waiting for their erstwhile service, the train crew on that particular occasion just decided to stop to explain why there was no point in them waiting for such a service any more? I agree - an 'unauthorised stop' like that is like a SPAD - it just isn't acceptable! ::) Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: devon_metro on May 25, 2009, 21:25:54 I won't dig too much, but I fail to see how it is unauthorised. It seems only fair to passengers to be let on, if the timetable change is announced in that way. ??? Hmmm, and haven't they already stopped? Or do the doors have to be unlcoked for a "stop" to become official? ::) If the signal is off any stop could be scrutinised if a manager does an OTMR download. Likewise if doors are unlocked. Any delay has to be paid for and crews must explain any delays. Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Btline on May 25, 2009, 21:27:28 If the changes have been published, then it is the fault of the passengers waiting on the platform! ::)
Instead of delaying the service, let the passengers learn the hard way and speed past - perhaps next time, they'll look at the VALID timetable! Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 25, 2009, 21:41:01 Well, as moonrakerz suggested,
I suppose he meant well ! Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: moonrakerz on May 26, 2009, 07:36:10 Or do the doors have to be unlcoked for a "stop" to become official? ::) I did say this was MANY years ago - it was one of the slam door 3 car diesel units (can't remember the Class) with a big diesel engine/generator occupying half of one coach. Central locking ?? ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: John R on May 26, 2009, 19:47:49 Ah the good old Hampshire units. I remember them well. Non corridor stock, and a bl**dy big diesel electric which shook the whole coach. I can't imagine how they didn't just fall to pieces. Think one survives on the Watercress Line though.
Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: devon_metro on May 26, 2009, 22:35:11 Aka "thumpers"
Title: Re: 'More than 7,000 of FGW's services cancelled in a year' Post by: thetrout on May 26, 2009, 23:12:35 Here is an example...!
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