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Title: Keynsham station (merged topics)
Post by: inspector_blakey on December 08, 2008, 22:23:42
Cast your mind back to July 2006; a fresh-faced new franchise was in its infancy and Arriva Trains Wales were still months away from raiding the 150/2 fleet. A news item mde its way onto the FGW website promising a range of improvements at Keynsham station:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/NewsItem.aspx?id=378

That was nearly two and a half years ago - anyone know what happened? ???


Title: Keynsham Station
Post by: billyo on June 09, 2009, 10:49:07
My apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere already, I've not been by this site for a while.  I skimmed the subject titles for the last few months and didn't see anything related to this:

Does anyone know what the purpose of the refurbishment of the extended platforms at Keynsham?  I can only assume it is for a more regular stopping of HSTs. 

As someone who's recently switched to commuting from Keynsham (instead of Bath, saving myself as stunning ^130 a month), I would be very happy to see a few more services stopping here.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: grahame on June 14, 2009, 10:36:30
I don't know, Billyo (and perhaps no-one here does?) ... but in order to bump the topic I'm adding this picture of the works:

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/keynsham_platex.jpg)


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 14, 2009, 20:51:23
I would tend to share that assumption, billyo!  ;)

Parson Street and Bedminster, just for example, have (relatively recently) also had platform enhancements, suggesting that more HST stops will be a feature in future ...  ::)


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: Btline on June 14, 2009, 22:31:51
Yet more InterCity trains slowed down...


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: devon_metro on June 14, 2009, 22:34:47
Err, jumping to conclusions??


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: Btline on June 14, 2009, 22:55:50
Name an HST service running along that line which is not an InterCity service! ;)


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: cereal_basher on June 14, 2009, 23:26:29
About either the 20:30 or 22:30 Frome-Bristol Temple Meads ECS service is definitely not ECS, especially when it runs in service.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: devon_metro on June 15, 2009, 16:22:39
What?

There are no HST passenger workings between Westbury and Bristol. The HST runs as 5A85 Westbury - St Phillips Marsh


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: inspector_blakey on June 15, 2009, 16:52:34
I'm sensing that there might be a bit of geographical confusion here (apologies if I've got that wrong). Keynsham is about halfway between Bath Spa and Bristol TM. Lots and lots of HSTs (2 an hour in each direction most of the time) go through there every day in service, and a few of them call in the peaks, or used to at least. The station is equipped with HST stopping markers.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: Btline on June 15, 2009, 17:30:55
I'll clarify. All HSTs that pass the station are Intercity trains between London and Bristol.

In my opinion, HSTs should not call here... ALTHOUGH the Bristol morning peak stop is a good idea as few people are travelling from London to Bristol at that time, and the call takes the pressure of the overcrowded 158 services.

But no more.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: cereal_basher on June 15, 2009, 20:00:49
What?

There are no HST passenger workings between Westbury and Bristol. The HST runs as 5A85 Westbury - St Phillips Marsh
But it has run as a service train at least twice.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: Lee on July 16, 2009, 22:22:01
Refurbishment of the extended platforms at Keynsham looks pretty much complete. "Deep excavation" in progress on the "existing" end of the platform (Bristol side)


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: billyo on September 21, 2009, 11:01:10
As nice as the new platform refurbishment is, I'd have happily kept the old ones if it meant avoiding the 110% increase in parking fee which came into force this morning, presumably to pay for it.

Joking aside, how is a 110% rise justified, other than a blatant attempt to fill the coffers given this years price hike is a price fall?

I fear this will drive people away from the train or to street parking, which will be fun for the local residents.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: clevedonian on September 21, 2009, 12:30:20
its not fair is it  >:(

They put the price up at Yatton from a ^1.00 a day to ^2.10 a day.

I complained, and they came back to me with the excuse of they need to pay for maintenance costs.

Rubbish - there has been no maintence at Yatton car park for years, it is just an excuse to get more money out of us.

Well the car park was half empty this morning!!


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: billyo on September 21, 2009, 13:14:24
Yep - same at Keynsham - from ^1 to ^2.10, defeats the object if more than half the people stop paying.  I did this morning because I was running late.  I shall leave early tomorrow and park on the street.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: Phil on September 21, 2009, 13:48:20
Yep - same at Keynsham - from ^1 to ^2.10, defeats the object if more than half the people stop paying.  I did this morning because I was running late.  I shall leave early tomorrow and park on the street.

I know what you mean, but the sad fact is - the authorities aren't stupid. They will have factored into their charging strategy the fact that there will be a sharp dip immediately after the increase, and then give it a few weeks (or even a spell of wet weather) and usage will soon be back to normal, but with far more money coming in.

Anyone know if the Chippenham Station Car Park #1 rate has gone up again from ^4.70 a day?


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: devon_metro on September 21, 2009, 13:49:29
APCOA (?) set the prices for fgw stations as far as i'm aware. However yes, they are trying to boost revenue!


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: JayMac on September 21, 2009, 14:06:03
Yep - same at Keynsham - from ^1 to ^2.10, defeats the object if more than half the people stop paying.  I did this morning because I was running late.  I shall leave early tomorrow and park on the street.

I know what you mean, but the sad fact is - the authorities aren't stupid. They will have factored into their charging strategy the fact that there will be a sharp dip immediately after the increase, and then give it a few weeks (or even a spell of wet weather) and usage will soon be back to normal, but with far more money coming in.

Anyone know if the Chippenham Station Car Park #1 rate has gone up again from ^4.70 a day?

Both Chippenham car parks are now ^6.50 (^5.90 RingGo) per day. All FGW's car park daily rates can be found here:-

http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=2329


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: JayMac on September 21, 2009, 14:09:34
APCOA (?) set the prices for fgw stations as far as i'm aware. However yes, they are trying to boost revenue!

FGW (?) set the prices for fgw stations as far as i'm aware. If they don't then why didn't they highlight this in reply to the numerous news stories about price rises in late Aug/early Sept?


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: Timmer on September 21, 2009, 17:18:58
APCOA operate the car parks on behalf of FGW. FGW would set the cost of the car park factoring in APCOA's management fee.

I would suggest getting used to hikes like this as those premium payments to Dft begin to bite.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: JayMac on September 21, 2009, 17:45:49
APCOA operate the car parks on behalf of FGW. FGW would set the cost of the car park factoring in APCOA's management fee.

I would suggest getting used to hikes like this as those premium payments to Dft begin to bite.

Isn't the flow of money (under the 'cap and collar' rules) in the other direction? I thought FGW were in 'revenue protection' at the moment.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: Timmer on September 21, 2009, 19:08:38
Isn't the flow of money (under the 'cap and collar' rules) in the other direction? I thought FGW were in 'revenue protection' at the moment.
Response from FGW as to why car parking charges have been increased:
http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/homepage/Bristol-parking-charges-increase-rip/article-1354345-detail/article.html

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Ellie Banks, spokeswoman for the train operator, said: "We are reducing the amount we subsidise car parking at our stations, particularly in areas where non-rail passengers are using our facilities and leaving less space for genuine customers.

"For the past three years we have absorbed increasing costs of car park maintenance. However, given the current climate, this is no longer sustainable in the long term.

"We have been working with local authorities to make sure our prices remain less than town and city centre car parks."


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: John R on September 21, 2009, 19:35:21
APCOA operate the car parks on behalf of FGW. FGW would set the cost of the car park factoring in APCOA's management fee.

I would suggest getting used to hikes like this as those premium payments to Dft begin to bite.

Isn't the flow of money (under the 'cap and collar' rules) in the other direction? I thought FGW were in 'revenue protection' at the moment.

Cap and collar doesn't mean that FGW (or the other companies) are receiving payments. It means that franchises are making smaller payments (or receiving bigger subsidies) than were envisaged under the franchise agreement. Where the premium payments were scheduled to increase rapidly, in some instances it means a franchise will be paying more than the previous year, just not quite as much more as was envisaged.


Title: Re: Keynsham Station
Post by: billyo on September 21, 2009, 21:05:54

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Ellie Banks, spokeswoman for the train operator, said: "We are reducing the amount we subsidise car parking at our stations, particularly in areas where non-rail passengers are using our facilities and leaving less space for genuine customers..

For the past three years we have absorbed increasing costs of car park maintenance. However, given the current climate, this is no longer sustainable in the long term"


Ha Ha Ha Ha!  That's really cheered me up after a naff day at work!  That's right everyone - you're paying more to park your car to benefit you!   If only I'd have realised I wouldn't have got so worked up about it.  It would be so easy to limit carpark use to just passengers, simply hand out parking vouchers with season tickets.  Job done. 

Oh, and Car park maintainence - don't make me laugh.  I'd love to read a list of maintenance jobs carried out at Keynsham car park.

Incidently - does anyone know how Filton Abbey Wood station car park remains (and whisper it quietly incase someone realises) free!


Title: Idiots at Keynsham Station. 21/5/2010.
Post by: JayMac on May 22, 2010, 07:09:29
More muppets taking risks and treating railway platforms as a playground.

YouTube Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLoOTchouVc)

I hope this video finds it way to the BTP and/or local press so they can publicise it, and identify the toe-rags. Get the idiots up in front of a magistrate.


Title: Re: Idiots at Keynsham Station. 21/5/2010.
Post by: Brucey on May 22, 2010, 07:22:00
And I bet they'll be the first ones complaining and wanting compensation when they lose their legs.


Title: Re: Idiots at Keynsham Station. 21/5/2010.
Post by: inspector_blakey on May 22, 2010, 19:39:52
Seen it all before unfortunately - seems to happen fairly regularly at Keynsham. I've also seen some of the local yoof hopping off the platforms and crossing the line as a short cut whilst waiting for trains in the past.

I'm not sure what specific offence may or may not be committed by dangling one's legs over the edge of the platform (I don't think "criminal stupidity" is on the statute books yet...) since as I understand it trespass wouldn't cover it.

In my forays into heritage railway operation I've also seen whole families eating their ice creams or sandwiches on a sunny day whilst sitting on the edge of platforms on a few occassions. Invariably they have been surprisingly put out and stroppy when I pointed out the silliness of what they were doing  ::)


Title: Re: Idiots at Keynsham Station. 21/5/2010.
Post by: Brucey on May 22, 2010, 19:44:30
I'm not sure what specific offence may or may not be committed by dangling one's legs over the edge of the platform (I don't think "criminal stupidity" is on the statute books yet...) since as I understand it trespass wouldn't cover it.
Section 11(1) of the Railway Byelaws might cover this, assuming it could be classed as "obstruction":
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11. General safety
(1) No person shall move, operate, obstruct, stop or in any other way interfere with any automatic closing door, train, or any other equipment on the railway except:
(i) in an emergency, by means of any equipment on or near which there is a notice indicating that it is intended to be used in an emergency; or
(ii) any equipment intended for the use of passengers in that way in normal operating circumstances.


Title: Re: Idiots at Keynsham Station. 21/5/2010.
Post by: JayMac on May 22, 2010, 20:00:33
And I bet they'll be the first ones complaining and wanting compensation when they lose their legs.

Yep. But they wouldn't have a leg to stand on!  ;D

Sorry, I'll get me coat.



Title: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 06, 2012, 21:13:07
From the Bristol Evening Post (http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Keynsham-station-unbpleasant-insecure-place-wait/story-14346388-detail/story.html):

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I have received several complaints recently about the state of Keynsham Railway Station, both from residents and from people who work in or visit the area and use the station. I have also had a complaint from a local MP.

The whole station appears very unkempt and unwelcoming. The main shelter on the eastbound side is in a very poor state with a peeling roof, several broken glass panels and a partly burnt bench. The rubbish bags are often overflowing or non-existent, with rubbish often left uncollected, so more frequent rubbish collections and general station cleansing is needed. There is graffiti on both metal shelters and some of the lights under these shelters are still not working.

All of this results in a very unpleasant and insecure waiting environment for passengers, especially with the onset of dark nights. This is exacerbated by the fact that there is only an hourly service and there are no information display screens. Virtually all of the other stations within the West of England area have information display screens with real-time information ^ even Freshford which serves many fewer passengers than Keynsham has an information screen whereas Keynsham still only has a push-button, telephone-connected Help Point which is frequently out of order.

The inhospitable conditions at Keynsham Railway Station, which raise personal security fears especially in the evening when there are fewer people around, make it very difficult for us to promote rail as an attractive option.

Councillor Paul Crossley

Leader, Bath and North East Somerset Council


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: dog box on January 07, 2012, 07:34:49
The information screens are being fitted on a rolling programme so i would expect Keynsham are on the list and havent been done yet, the station would also be covered by one of the mobile environmental cleaners not sure of the frequency of there visits but its usually daily  they only have one pair of hands and lots of stations to visit


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: eightf48544 on January 07, 2012, 18:33:42
Wonder if it was comments  like these that caused DaFTs Secure Station Initiative to fade into obscurity.

An umanned station can never be secure, by definition.

I think Taplow got  Secure Station despite us arguing against it, no one believed it in anycase. We also had an argument with the assessor when he came round saying we couldn't possibly be a secure station. But it was a tick box exercise, lights, CCTV, help point, phone box, no smoking signs yellow line etc.

Despite the fact at that time the Help Point was more often or not out of order and in any case there was no quick way of alterting the emergencty services through the help point (orange box) as there is with the new points (large white disc type).

Don't know specifically about Keynsham but having stopped in the dark at Exeter St James I'm not sure I'd like to wait for a train there either at least Taplow is very well lit.





Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 07, 2012, 18:47:48
Stations on the Severn Beach Line have just been re-accredited under the Secure Stations Scheme, as 'the improved facilities of Help Points and customer information screens certainly helped the passenger perception scores.' (Source: British Transport Police) :-X


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Brucey on January 07, 2012, 19:01:13
Do the SVB line stations have CCTV yet?

Having travelled a few times alone from Redland during darkness, I'd certainly not recommend doing it and wouldn't do it again, even with the "security" of a button I can press.


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 07, 2012, 19:52:06
Do the SVB line stations have CCTV yet?

No.  :-X


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: the void on January 09, 2012, 09:50:06
"Virtually all of the other stations within the West of England area have information display screens with real-time information ^ even Freshford which serves many fewer passengers than Keynsham has an information screen whereas Keynsham still only has a push-button, telephone-connected Help Point which is frequently out of order."

Across the whole FGW network (210 stations) 106 stations have full Customer Information Screens. In addition, all stations apart from Bristol Temple Meads and Reading have been fitted with a help point. Of these 208 help points, 60 include a web based Customer Information Screen. The locations where the WebCIS screens were included (such as Freshford) were decided in consultation with the local councils, who provided additional funding (the Seven Beach Line screens were funded by the Sevenside Partnership). Surely Councillor Paul Crossley should know this?

I have never known the help points at Keynsham to be out of order. They have worked every time I have used them.



Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: phile on January 09, 2012, 17:16:06
We are still awaiting new screens at Bristol Temple Meads which show a longer time range so that passengers arriving to make a connection know to which platform they should go instead of having to wait around for the Screens to scroll down to their connection.  This is what happens with a short time span and an intense service.


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Mookiemoo on January 09, 2012, 20:21:52
You can already ore empt it with the app

And you can even get the pre assigned p,acts and head codes on traveline sites

Maybe these should be more advertised


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: JayMac on January 09, 2012, 20:42:02
You can already ore empt it with the app

And you can even get the pre assigned p,acts and head codes on traveline sites

Eh?  ???


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: inspector_blakey on January 09, 2012, 22:39:49
Attempted translation...

You can already pre-empt it with the app

And you can even get the pre assigned platforms and head codes on traveline sites

Maybe these should be more advertised

But I could be entirely wrong...  ;)


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: JayMac on January 09, 2012, 22:58:38
That makes a bit more sense. Thanks for the translation, blakey.

Also surprised that no-one has commented on the headline typo in the original article. A typo that CfN included, no doubt deliberately.....  ;D


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 09, 2012, 23:01:15
Mischievous - me??  :o ::) ;D


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Mookiemoo on January 10, 2012, 15:54:59
Thanks for the translation!  butter fingers on an iphone and all that!


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 09, 2012, 20:48:26
From the Bath Chronicle (http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/Station-s-shelter-disgrace-complaints-ignored/story-15179214-detail/story.html):

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Station's shelter a disgrace but my complaints are ignored

Keynsham station's east- bound shelter is a disgrace. People are drinking here probably taking drugs, they are urinating over the bench and floor, and the stench is very strong.

The overall condition of this shelter is disgraceful. Rubbish bins are overflowing with drink cans, bottles and papers strewn all over the floor; this is what you get for the highest train fares in Europe.

I have written to Great Western trains pointing out all the problems. Previously I phoned up but on two occasions I have been totally ignored. It is obvious to me First Great Western trains is not a caring company.

DAVID WOOD RMT Union Bristol


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: inspector_blakey on February 09, 2012, 23:59:20
Wow. Someone's got a bee in their bonnet.

FWIW I travelled from there on Saturday and the place was looking fairly neat and tidy: bins not too full, nothing smelling strongly of urine etc etc. It's an unstaffed waiting shelter so it's never going to be the most delightful of environments but that letter is frankly way over the top. If the tone of Mr Woods' complaints to FGW was similar to the letter to the Chronicle then I can well understand why they were ignored. Incidentally I thought the walk-up single of GBP 34.00 to Underground zone 5 was fairly reasonable too...


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Ollie on February 10, 2012, 00:06:42
If anything doesn't it say more about the people who use the station rather than FGW?


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: thetrout on February 11, 2012, 00:28:59
If anything doesn't it say more about the people who use the station rather than FGW?

Agreed... Considering some of the people I know from there, Keynsham is an awful place... Nuff Said :-X

I'm not fazed by the dark... This is going to sound strange, but I can see better in the dark than in normal daylight; only in Black & White in the dark though. I've been to Keynsham Station in the dark... Well I have to say I felt safer walking to East Croydon in the dark, than at Keynsham... and that's saying something!


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: inspector_blakey on February 11, 2012, 03:51:24
Am I the only poster here who actually quite likes Keynsham...?! Must have used the station a hundred times and I've never felt even remotely intimidated. I suppose being tall, ugly and male probably helps though.


Title: Re: Keynsham station is an "unbpleasant and insecure" place to wait for a train
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 11, 2012, 08:38:43
He is.  ;) :D ;D



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