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Title: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: Super Guard on November 10, 2008, 15:05:04 10 November 2008
Train services between Westbury and Castle Cary are being disrupted due to an obstruction on the line.Engineers are working as fast as possible to restore services to normal. Short notice alterations, cancellations and delays of up to 60 minutes can be expected. The Line is now open but will be closed from 1700hours for the rest of the day. Replacement Road transport will continue to operate between Taunton and Castle Cary and Westbury and Castle Cary. Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: Super Guard on November 10, 2008, 18:05:24 Further update.... not good at the moment:
10 November 2008 Train services between Westbury and Castle Cary are being disrupted due to an obstruction on the line.Engineers are working as fast as possible to restore services to normal. Short notice alterations, cancellations and delays can be expected. The line is now closed from 1700 10 November 2008 until 1200 11 November 2008. Replacement Road transport will continue to operate between Taunton and Castle Cary and Westbury and Castle Cary. Customers are advised not to travel until after 1200 hours tomorrow. Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 10, 2008, 18:06:26 derailed frieght train wasnt it
Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 10, 2008, 18:09:46 actually if the trains can get to castle cary can they not terminate at yeovil junction and alow passengers to change there i know a full divert is not possible at such short notice
Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: Super Guard on November 10, 2008, 18:15:57 From Nationalrail:
Last updated 10/11/2008 17:27 Because of an earlier derailed freight train between Castle Cary and Westbury, journeys are being delayed by up to 40 minutes. Buses replace trains between Taunton and Castle Cary and between Castle Cary and Westbury Trains between Taunton and London Paddington may be diverted between Taunton and Reading via Bristol and Bath Spa Ticket Acceptance First Great Western passengers are being accepted on South West Trains services between Templecombe and London Waterloo. --- Must be serious as this happened during the night, 1C99 PAD-PNZ sleeper was diverted to Taunton where it had to wait for the possession to be given back from the weekend engineering between TAU & EXD. Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: signalandtelegraph on November 10, 2008, 19:28:43 derailed frieght train wasnt it Off the road at Witham with a train from Merehead. 1C99 was waiting at Castle Cary for 1A40 to come up from Yeovil but due to the Up being blocked by the derailment it was decided to run 1C99 to Taunton to enable 1A40 to run round at Cary and go via Taunton as well. Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 15, 2008, 19:09:13 Just for the record:
Quote Network Rail is closing the track between Westbury and Castle Cary at 5pm after a freight train from Merehead Quarry to Acton, west London, derailed at low speed at 2.40am. Work to lift the train back onto the track is estimated to take several hours and the line will be reopened by 6am tomorrow. It will result in delays for passengers travelling tonight on the main line, both ways, between London and Plymouth. Trains will now be diverted to Bristol and other nearby stations adding about 15 minutes to journey times. See http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/latestheadlines/3835226.Freight_train_derails/ Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: The SprinterMeister on November 15, 2008, 19:46:56 Pictures of the derailed stone train will be found on this link;
http://midis.fotopic.net/c1610828.html Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: smithy on November 15, 2008, 19:49:45 Pictures of the derailed stone train will be found on this link; http://midis.fotopic.net/c1610828.html rumour has it signalman set signal but not the points? as i said just rumour so not confirmed Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 15, 2008, 19:55:38 Pictures of the derailed stone train will be found on this link; http://midis.fotopic.net/c1610828.html rumour has it signalman set signal but not the points? as i said just rumour so not confirmed that looks like it was nasty! Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: John R on November 15, 2008, 21:03:37 Pictures of the derailed stone train will be found on this link; http://midis.fotopic.net/c1610828.html rumour has it signalman set signal but not the points? as i said just rumour so not confirmed I thought signalling systems prevented such basic errors, so the signal couln't be set to proceed unless the route was set. Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: smithy on November 15, 2008, 23:17:05 Pictures of the derailed stone train will be found on this link; http://midis.fotopic.net/c1610828.html rumour has it signalman set signal but not the points? as i said just rumour so not confirmed I thought signalling systems prevented such basic errors, so the signal couln't be set to proceed unless the route was set. that might be the case as i said it was just a rumour,can anyone confirm? Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: devon_metro on November 15, 2008, 23:46:07 Signalling interlocks do indeed stop signals from being set until points are locked in place. Likely a spad.
Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: The SprinterMeister on November 16, 2008, 09:07:23 Pictures of the derailed stone train will be found on this link; http://midis.fotopic.net/c1610828.html rumour has it signalman set signal but not the points? as i said just rumour so not confirmed I can confirm that rumor is in fact entirely false. ;) Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: The SprinterMeister on November 16, 2008, 09:08:33 Signalling interlocks do indeed stop signals from being set until points are locked in place. Likely a spad. Can also confirm that the incident was not the result of a SPAD. Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: eightf48544 on November 16, 2008, 10:45:28 Signalling interlocks do indeed stop signals from being set until points are locked in place. Likely a spad. Can also confirm that the incident was not the result of a SPAD. Poorly maintained track/points or wagon fault? Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: The SprinterMeister on November 16, 2008, 21:53:19 Signalling interlocks do indeed stop signals from being set until points are locked in place. Likely a spad. Can also confirm that the incident was not the result of a SPAD. Poorly maintained track/points or wagon fault? Neither of the above. Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: John R on November 16, 2008, 21:56:27 So what was it then????
Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: tramway on November 17, 2008, 00:12:14 66 prone to brake problems?
Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: The SprinterMeister on November 17, 2008, 17:42:31 66 prone to brake problems? No class 66 involved. ;) Human error but not on the part of the on train personnel. Still under formal investigation. Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 17, 2008, 20:48:17 59202 up to its cab in dirt, according to the pictures?? See http://midis.fotopic.net/p54880517.html
Thanks for your suitably 'diplomatic' comment, TheSprinterMeister! ;) :D ;D Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: tramway on November 17, 2008, 23:12:43 66 prone to brake problems? Ooops, apologies for my poorly maintained eyesight and memory. :-[ :-[ :-[ Not broken tie bars again? Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 17, 2008, 23:16:05 No problem, tramway!
I'm just rather amused that TheSprinterMeister clearly knows rather more than he's letting on! ;) :D ;D Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: Super Guard on November 17, 2008, 23:27:18 I'm just rather amused that TheSprinterMeister clearly knows rather more than he's letting on! ;) :D ;D ;DTitle: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on November 18, 2008, 00:50:46 something placed on the line or left there in error
Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: The SprinterMeister on November 18, 2008, 21:24:34 No problem, tramway! You might think that, I couldnt possibly comment. ;)I'm just rather amused that TheSprinterMeister clearly knows rather more than he's letting on! ;) :D ;D The answers that you all seek are within my last post. ;D Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: devon_metro on November 19, 2008, 11:59:22 Indeed, somebodys in the dog house!!
Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: Super Guard on November 19, 2008, 23:16:26 Indeed, somebodys in the dog house!! I haven't heard it called that before ;D Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: TheLastMinute on December 10, 2008, 13:47:10 The RAIB have just added this derailment to the list of current investigations on their website. (http://www.raib.gov.uk/publications/current_investigations_register/081110_east_somerset_junction.cfm)
Quote from: Rail Accident Investigation Branch The RAIB is carrying out an investigation into a derailment that occurred at East Somerset Junction on 10 November 2008. The accident occurred at 02:33 hrs when the two locomotives hauling the delayed 22:31 hrs (9 November) service from Merehead Quarry in Somerset to Acton Yard in west London derailed at low speed on trap points as the train approached the main line at East Somerset Junction. The train was operated by English Welsh & Scottish (EWS) Railway Ltd. There were no injuries arising from the derailment, and only minor damage to the track, signalling equipment and the two locomotives. Train services between Westbury and Castle Cary were disrupted until 12:40 hrs on 11 November 2008, pending recovery of the locomotives and repairs to the infrastructure. The RAIB's preliminary examination indicates no issues with the condition and operation of the train or the condition of the track that could have contributed to the accident. The RAIB's investigation is independent of any investigations by the safety authority. The RAIB will publish a report, including any recommendations to improve safety, at the conclusion of its investigation. This report will be available on the RAIB website. So as TSM said, not the fault of the train crew or a failure of the train. TLM Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: thetrout on December 17, 2008, 20:20:16 I know where that is (I live near there), thats at Witham Friary between Bruton Station and Frome Branch Line. The line goes up towards Torr works and divides at Wanstrow to Torr works quarry and Cranmore (ESR) :)
Title: Re: Problems between Westbury & Castle Cary Post by: TheLastMinute on November 10, 2009, 12:41:17 For those interested, the RAIB have today published their report on the East Somerset Juc derailment on their website (http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/091110_R282009_East%20Somerset%20Junction.pdf). As TSM originally said, human error but not by the train crew...
Quote from: RAIB Rail Accident Report: Derailment of two locomotives at East Somerset Junction, 10 November 2008 11 The immediate cause of the accident was that the signaller did not operate a set of points (943 points) to the correct position for the safe movement of train 7A91 (Figure 2). 12 Causal factors were: a. the failure of the signalling equipment on the Merehead branch; b. the lack of a method over and above use of route-setting cards for helping the signaller to ensure that he had taken the correct actions in manually setting the route for train 7A91 at the time that pilot working was introduced; and c. the signaller did not refer to his route-setting cards when setting a route for train 7A91 between two signals (signal W275 and signal W77; see Figures 2 and 3); 13 It is probable that the signaller^s actions were affected by fatigue because of the number of hours and the nature of the shifts that he had worked in the period leading up to the accident. If this were the case, fatigue was a causal factor. TLM This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |