Title: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: gwr2006 on October 30, 2008, 09:01:41 The Office of Rail Regiulation (ORR) has issued its final periodic review determination this morning and redoubling of the line between Oxford and Worcester HAS BEEN FUNDED
The following is extracted from Chapter 9 of the 449-page document now on the ORR website "Other schemes with strong business cases driven by revenue benefits ^ draft determinations analysis 9.107 The North Cotswolds scheme involves partial redoubling of single line track between Oxford and Worcester and associated works at platforms and to bridges. This is to deliver performance benefits on the Cotswold line and consequent improvements along the Thames valley and the financial case is good. It would also bring First Great Western performance to over 90%, closer to the sector HLOS specifications." "D37. Network Rail^s [performance] analysis also showed that PPM for two TOCs would still be below 90% at the end of the CP4 (National Express East Coast PPM is projected to reach 89.9% and First Great Western to reach 89.6%). Network Rail proposed two specific projects to meet the HLOS ^levelling up^ requirement (see chapter 9): ^ further East Coast Main Line overhead line works (beyond those included in the core renewals proposal); ^ doubling of the North Cotswolds line between Oxford and Worcester." "D38. As described in chapter 9, we believe that both of these proposals should proceed primarily on the basis of their financial and economic business cases." No cost is given, but the scheme appears in a list of enhancement projects in a 'basket' worth ^681 million and ORR suggests Network Rail can offset costs between the projects so they are delivered within that funding. How that pans out remains to be seen, but the draft determination from ORR dsuggested ^48 million which is someway short of the amount needed to deliver the North Cotswolds redoubling. Anyway, this is till excellent news! Network Rail can now crack on and agree the possessions and get the work underway next year. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: IndustryInsider on October 30, 2008, 11:12:42 One word - PHEW! :)
Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Btline on October 30, 2008, 11:54:01 ;D
Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 30, 2008, 22:18:05 Brief article on the BBC news site: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7699935.stm
Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: willc on October 30, 2008, 22:23:51 And from the Oxford Mail. We've had a new computer system switched on today, so a bit off the pace...
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/3807181.Rail_upgrade_gets_go_ahead/ (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/3807181.Rail_upgrade_gets_go_ahead/) Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 30, 2008, 22:27:18 Thanks, willc - I would have picked it up, honest! ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Lee on October 31, 2008, 09:25:01 No cost is given, but the scheme appears in a list of enhancement projects in a 'basket' worth ^681 million and ORR suggests Network Rail can offset costs between the projects so they are delivered within that funding. How that pans out remains to be seen, but the draft determination from ORR dsuggested ^48 million which is someway short of the amount needed to deliver the North Cotswolds redoubling. Which other schemes are included in the basket, gwr2006? Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: gwr2006 on November 01, 2008, 23:12:36 The list of enhancement projects appears on page 443 of the 449-page Periodic Review which can be found as a PDF at the following link http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/383.pdf (http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pdf/383.pdf)
Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: freebo125 on November 08, 2008, 14:41:02 Re-doubling of the cotswold line is excellent news and is long overdue. Not only will Great Western be able to run more services but much needed relief for freight services using the busy section between Oxford and Coventry will be provided especially during engineering blockades.
Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: willc on November 18, 2008, 22:43:15 Many sightings of survey teams in high-vis jackets along the route in recent days - though I couldn't work out why they were working at the south end of Moreton-in-Marsh station on the existing double track the other morning, unless it was to do with a possible turnback facility. No sign south of Ascott-under-Wychwood of tree clearance yet, so I'm guessing that this is under way west of Moreton.
CLPG website is reporting that they have been told there will be a major blockade next summer during the school holidays, but no more details available yet. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: IndustryInsider on November 19, 2008, 03:02:20 Many sightings of survey teams in high-vis jackets along the route in recent days - though I couldn't work out why they were working at the south end of Moreton-in-Marsh station on the existing double track the other morning, unless it was to do with a possible turnback facility. No sign south of Ascott-under-Wychwood of tree clearance yet, so I'm guessing that this is under way west of Moreton. CLPG website is reporting that they have been told there will be a major blockade next summer during the school holidays, but no more details available yet. There's been limited vegetation clearance between Moreton and Aston Magna, but nothing more exceptional than you might expect in any given vegetation clearance exercise. The clearance of vegetation from Ascott to Finstock is less pressing due to the fact that the majority of the single line has a well established maintenance gang 'road' that means the vegetation does not encroach anywhere near as badly as it does on a typical stretch between Moreton and Evesham. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Btline on November 19, 2008, 21:48:08 I have not seen much apart from vegetation clearance.
But I have been stuck at Morton for half and hour (hint: hurry up NR!)! Out of interest: How far short of Finstock are they re-doubling? Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: IndustryInsider on November 20, 2008, 00:51:15 Out of interest: How far short of Finstock are they re-doubling? To a point about 1/2 a mile to the west of the station, on straight track. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: John R on November 20, 2008, 08:16:42 Makes sense. The cost of building a new platform at Finstock would be out of proportion to the benefit of extending the double track a bit further.
Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Btline on November 20, 2008, 17:53:13 Not just building a new platform, but shifting the current one, as Finstock Halt is on the trackbed!
Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: IndustryInsider on December 13, 2008, 14:39:59 Out of interest: How far short of Finstock are they re-doubling? To a point about 1/2 a mile to the west of the station, on straight track. Just to update my own post. I heard from an NR employee that the track is being singled a little nearer to Charlbury than I thought. Well, right after Charlbury station in fact as it will be single by the bridge carrying the private road that leads to Cornbury Park Estate. Apparently this is due to clearances on this bridge (which is wide but very low) means the track would need lowering over two feet to put two lines in. Whether this is actually the case or just a rumour remains to be seen. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: eightf48544 on December 14, 2008, 11:22:27 One question I don't think has been asked is the redoubling being planned to allow future electrification?
In particular it would seem sensible to immunise any new lineside signalling euipment to allow it work with the wires. The mention of the low bridge above worries me, plus our incredible ability to spoil the ship for a "ha'peth of tar". Now I know you're going to say electrification is too far ahead, but don't forget signalling equipment has a life of 40 years or more. In fact some manual signalling is probably getting on for a 100 years old, it's only the relays in the 60s MAS schemes that are getting life expired. Solid state ought to last longer, if not it's easy and cheap to replace. But even if the siganalling is replaced on electrification and who knows ERTMS level 3 might be working by then and available straight from the box at competitive prices. The infrastructure changes might as well be to electrification standards it's not going to cost any more. Now is good time to start, the construction industry is desparate for contracts so Networkrail should be able to screw them down to a price on any contract negotiation. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Don on December 14, 2008, 15:23:21 One question I don't think has been asked is the redoubling being planned to allow future electrification? Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha........ I bet they won't even design the signalling to take account of the new signalling centre at Didcot. I gather that the signalling for Oxford and this line is supposed to transfer to there at some stage around 2015 Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Btline on December 14, 2008, 17:20:54 It will take decades for the electrification beyond Maidenhead to be PLANNED.
As for Cotswold line, probably centuries (at the rate they are going). Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Don on December 14, 2008, 18:17:02 Wrong forum I guess, But there are a lot of other electrifications that I would consider before electrifying Maidenhead & beyond.
I would start with routes that already run in-part under the wires - Off the top of my head - Cross Country: West of England to North West for instance, followed by South-Coast to North West and then to North East. This would electrify Reading to Birmingham and Bristol to Penzance which would later make the case for Paddington to Penzance look better. But the world and his dog have speculated about this since the 1970s and we still have a department for (Road) transport who don't want to even consider the 60 or so passenger and freight infill suggestions that the TOCs, FOCs and Network Rail have suggested - or for that matter High Speed Kibe No.2 so I guess the Cotswold line will be re-doubled using the least amount of money, and if that means re-doing the whole thing again later, then so be it. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Btline on December 14, 2008, 18:23:59 The Department for Tarmac won't look at any of those suggestions.
And in general, look at the 125 mph cop out on the WCML. All those millions will have to be spent again to get 140 or 155 mph running. We have had tilting and 125 mph trains since the 70s! What are the celebrations about? Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: John R on December 14, 2008, 19:16:50 Well 3 trains ph to Manchester, with a headline journey of under 2 hrs, and 3tph to Birmingham with a headline journey time of 1hr 12 mins. Also weekday frequencies and journey times after lunchtime on Sunday.
Quite a lot then. Those of us in the West Country can only look on in envy. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Don on December 14, 2008, 23:23:15 Well 3 trains ph to Manchester, with a headline journey of under 2 hrs, and 3tph to Birmingham with a headline journey time of 1hr 12 mins. Also weekday frequencies and journey times after lunchtime on Sunday. Actually, thinking about it, this could, with the right marketing, be quite excellent for the railways. Virgin just might destroy the airline traffic from these routes which could catalyse extra spending on the...... Oh God, I've drifted off into fantasy land again. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Ollie on December 15, 2008, 01:08:47 Well 3 trains ph to Manchester, with a headline journey of under 2 hrs, and 3tph to Birmingham with a headline journey time of 1hr 12 mins. Also weekday frequencies and journey times after lunchtime on Sunday. Actually, thinking about it, this could, with the right marketing, be quite excellent for the railways. Virgin just might destroy the airline traffic from these routes which could catalyse extra spending on the...... Oh God, I've drifted off into fantasy land again. Have you been forgetting your pills again? :D Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: eightf48544 on December 15, 2008, 10:10:27 Well 3 trains ph to Manchester, with a headline journey of under 2 hrs, and 3tph to Birmingham with a headline journey time of 1hr 12 mins. Also weekday frequencies and journey times after lunchtime on Sunday. Actually, thinking about it, this could, with the right marketing, be quite excellent for the railways. Virgin just might destroy the airline traffic from these routes which could catalyse extra spending on the...... Oh God, I've drifted off into fantasy land again. Have you been forgetting your pills again? :D Judging from from some strange forgetfullness (not annoucing things) on the part of the government some Ministers seem to be forgetting to take their airline pills. I agree the Cotswold line will be last to be electrified but that still doesn't mean the infrastructure upgrades at least could be done to electrification standards even if the signalling isn't . Where's my pills? Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: willc on December 15, 2008, 21:50:39 Assorted points I feel worthy of a response:
1. The overbridge south of Charlbury is a particularly awkward one, as it carries the Cornbury Park estate approach road, which is dropping down into the valley at this point, so it slopes from one side to the other over the railway. As for bridges generally, were the line to be electrified, then there are a great many that would have to be rebuilt - just as on any British railway electrification scheme. Recent new bridges, eg Moreton's footbridge, all have enough clearance designed in and BR rebuilt a bridge near Kingham a while back, which was reprofiled, so should pose no problems. 2. Signalling. The redoubling budget is going to be tight and I doubt there will be much money to spare for lots of new signal equipment anyway, except perhaps at Evesham station if the box there closes. If Moreton box stays, then so do the semaphores in the station. A full-blown resignalling scheme is likely to be part of the Oxford project - until then the mix of semaphores (manual and electric) and assorted existing colour lights seems likely to soldier on, so immunisation looks like an unnecessary luxury at this stage. 3. Electrification. I'm sure the Network Rail staff who have spent most of this year developing electrification plans would be surprised to know they haven't done anything about going beyond Maidenhead. The likely programme looks something like Midland Main Line first (releases lots of modern diesels), then GWML (replace life-expired HSTs), then XC to link lots of things up (and free more diesel with some miles left in them), then other routes. And how can anyone can say DafT isn't considering electrification when ministers have (for the first time I can ever remember) actually made positive noises about it this year? I don't know where you've been recently. Of course the Cotswold Line will be well down the queue, but if you've got wires to Oxford and wires past Worcester on the XC route, then it makes sense - especially if it provides the opportunity to get diesels out of Paddington and avoid bustitution every time there's engineering work between Oxford and Leamington, by diverting XC services. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: IndustryInsider on December 16, 2008, 01:35:53 2. Signalling. The redoubling budget is going to be tight and I doubt there will be much money to spare for lots of new signal equipment anyway, except perhaps at Evesham station if the box there closes. If Moreton box stays, then so do the semaphores in the station. A full-blown resignalling scheme is likely to be part of the Oxford project - until then the mix of semaphores (manual and electric) and assorted existing colour lights seems likely to soldier on, so immunisation looks like an unnecessary luxury at this stage. Again, it's only hearsay, but I have heard talk that a couple of IBH (Intermediate Block Home) signals will be installed as part of the re-doubling scheme. They are basically designed for long stretches of Absolute Block signalled line with large gaps between the signalboxes. They are controlled by the signalbox in rear of the IBH signal and would be colour-light of a similar nature to the current signals for the level crossings on the route, i.e. 2-aspect. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: grahame on December 16, 2008, 07:27:25 IBH (Intermediate Block Home) Added to Acronym list at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html ... goodness, there are so many! Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: IndustryInsider on December 16, 2008, 11:36:45 IBH (Intermediate Block Home) Added to Acronym list at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html ... goodness, there are so many! At least you're not charged with doing a medical acronyms list, Graham. IBH would then stand for Inclusion Body Hepatitis! Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: IanL on December 16, 2008, 13:01:57 Out of interest: How far short of Finstock are they re-doubling? To a point about 1/2 a mile to the west of the station, on straight track. Just to update my own post. I heard from an NR employee that the track is being singled a little nearer to Charlbury than I thought. Well, right after Charlbury station in fact as it will be single by the bridge carrying the private road that leads to Cornbury Park Estate. Apparently this is due to clearances on this bridge (which is wide but very low) means the track would need lowering over two feet to put two lines in. Whether this is actually the case or just a rumour remains to be seen. That agrees with the statement made at the Charlbury meeting the day this was announced.....1/2 mile east of Charlbury, ie the new double line would revert to a single almost within sight of Charlbury station and well short of the Cornbury access road bridge. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Don on December 16, 2008, 18:12:33 And how can anyone can say DafT isn't considering electrification when ministers have (for the first time I can ever remember) actually made positive noises about it this year? I don't know where you've been recently. Willc, you are forgetting that Daft is saying anything about electrification. All we have is a new set of ministers who have not yet been house trained. I am sure that they will get there wings clipped at some stage and restore the status quo at the Department for Road Transport Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: willc on December 16, 2008, 18:44:13 And how can anyone can say DafT isn't considering electrification when ministers have (for the first time I can ever remember) actually made positive noises about it this year? I don't know where you've been recently. Willc, you are forgetting that Daft is saying anything about electrification. All we have is a new set of ministers who have not yet been house trained. I am sure that they will get there wings clipped at some stage and restore the status quo at the Department for Road Transport But the first person to say anything about electrification, months ago, was the previous Transport Secretary, Ruth Kelly, who talked about launching the biggest ever rail electrification programme in this country. And Geoff Hoon is a regular rail user between London and his constituency (EMT route) while Lord Adonis was the CLPG committee member for Oxford for a year in the mid-1980s when he was a student (he is also a past pupil of Kingham Hill School and long-time user of the Cotswold Line), so I think the civil servants may have their work cut out trying to re-educate them in the manner you suggest. Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: Btline on December 16, 2008, 19:13:12 the track is being singled a little nearer to Charlbury than I thought. So I take it that extra double track will be layed at the Evesham end to compensate for the cuts at the Charlbury end. ;) Title: Re: REDOUBLING GETS THE GO AHEAD FROM RAIL REGULATOR Post by: willc on December 16, 2008, 19:24:22 the track is being singled a little nearer to Charlbury than I thought. So I take it that extra double track will be layed at the Evesham end to compensate for the cuts at the Charlbury end. ;) No. As IanL said, this was always pretty much where the double track was meant to end anyway, on a dead level and pretty straight piece of the trackbed, before the line curves towards Finstock and the track starts to slew across the formation. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |