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Title: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 04, 2008, 15:11:27
For a perfect example of what you can do with a small station when some money gets spent on it, take a look at Radley station on the line between Oxford and Didcot.

An original general tart-up took place in July 1998 and, 10-years further on, the job has been finished. New waiting shelters in the design used by FGW recently and a new footbridge (future proof in terms of train gauge height - even double-deck trains!), together with partly resurfaced platforms make the whole platform area much more sustantive.

But the main improvement is in the car park. The old dusty pot-holed car park has been freshly tarmac-ed and bays properly marked out. There's 50 spaces including 2 disabled bays (and room to expand if required in the future), there's two new cycle racks and the footpaths down the station approach have improved. The whole area is now covered by lighting at night.

Apologies if this post sounds like an advert for FGW, but I was very impressed by what they, Network Rail and doubless local contributions can achieve. Anyone with their own local station that could do with brightening-up should use it as a test case for what can be achieved.

The only thing missing is level access to the 'up' platform as the old access point was blocked up years ago, but I see no real reason why a footpath could not be reinstated from the overbridge on the Lower Radley side of the tracks.

Some pictures of the station can be found here: http://www.radleyvillage.org.uk/practical/railways.html (http://www.radleyvillage.org.uk/practical/railways.html)


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: gwr2006 on August 04, 2008, 22:51:53
Network Rail completed the new footbridge and it is designed to allow ramps to be added in the future to provide level access to the 'up' platform. Although the main station entrance was on the 'up' side, access to the platform would now only be possible by crossing private land (as it was sold off by British Rail many years ago). It is something that I beleive is still being looked at.

The rest of the improvements were specified and funded by Oxfordshire County Council, with a small contribution from FGW. This work included the new waiting shelters, bench seating, replacement metal fencing, a wider platform, signage, new notice boards throughout the station, expanding the car park by 100%, including resurfacing and parking bays, drainage, a new paved entrance area with footpath and seating, extra covered cycle racks, landscaping, real-time bus information at the bus stop outside the station and the bright new lighting along the platform and in the car park.

The station is about to be adopted by the local community too, so it will be kept looking neat and tidy.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 05, 2008, 11:37:19
Thanks for posting that additional information on the scheme gwr2006.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 12, 2008, 16:04:57
With regards to the upside land (formerly the station forecourt in the old days), it has I believe been sold as you said, but still looks remarkably derelict and a haven for brambles and budlea bushes so hopefully something can be done?

It should also be noted, for those not too familiar with the area, that the other small stations nearby of Appleford, Culham, Tackley and Heyford have also received similar, but more modest, improvements over the last year or so.

A real maketing push has been made to try and attract canal/river walkers to Tackley and Heyford with posters, leaflets, and a summer only Sunday service. FGW and its funding partners are to be applauded for making the effort as it would have been very easy to do nothing.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Lee on October 14, 2008, 22:57:16
Improvements at Radley station include a new footbridge, a larger car park, new lighting, a wider platform and new waiting shelters and seating (link below.)
http://www.teletext.co.uk/regionalnews/thames-valley/b81e6d7f56fb91245469863ff2780498/Rail+station+work+ends.aspx


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 15, 2008, 12:05:15
Improvements at Radley station include a new footbridge, a larger car park, new lighting, a wider platform and new waiting shelters and seating (link below.)
http://www.teletext.co.uk/regionalnews/thames-valley/b81e6d7f56fb91245469863ff2780498/Rail+station+work+ends.aspx

The new car park has been full the last four times I've looked as I passed by. Proof indeed that passenger number will increase when you improve facilities. There will need to be further car park spaces soon!


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Lee on October 15, 2008, 12:39:00
I would imagine that Radley sees a lot of passengers from Abingdon and Kennington, to which an every 15 minute bus service is also provided from the station (links below.)
http://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/content/doc/cms/Ox_Ab_Did_Times_010608.pdf

http://www.oxfordbus.co.uk/content/doc/cms/Did_Ab_Ox_Times_010608.pdf


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: willc on October 15, 2008, 14:09:22
Just hope the bus drivers know where they are going...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/abingdon/3750506.Misspelled_sign_points_way_to_Scotland/ (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/abingdon/3750506.Misspelled_sign_points_way_to_Scotland/)


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 15, 2008, 14:39:02
Just hope the bus drivers know where they are going...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/abingdon/3750506.Misspelled_sign_points_way_to_Scotland/ (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/abingdon/3750506.Misspelled_sign_points_way_to_Scotland/)


Of course it also could be pointing to other Abington's much closer than the one in Scotland - such as the one in Northampton than my grandparents live next to, but that wouldn't have made such a good (a.k.a cheap laughs) story for the Oxford Mail. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill - a fair point made in the comment by gwr2006 I think!


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Lee on October 15, 2008, 16:04:57
I have now merged this topic with an earlier one started by IndustryInsider, in order that all the background info is available as well.

My apologies for missing it.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Lee on October 17, 2008, 16:36:39
Article link on the unveiling of a plaque to mark the completion of the improvement works.
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/headlines/3769135.__1m_station_facelift_complete/


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: willc on October 17, 2008, 21:13:34
Just hope the bus drivers know where they are going...

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/abingdon/3750506.Misspelled_sign_points_way_to_Scotland/ (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/abingdon/3750506.Misspelled_sign_points_way_to_Scotland/)


Of course it also could be pointing to other Abington's much closer than the one in Scotland - such as the one in Northampton than my grandparents live next to, but that wouldn't have made such a good (a.k.a cheap laughs) story for the Oxford Mail. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill - a fair point made in the comment by gwr2006 I think!

Well, we journalists do like our cheap laughs. Think we picked Scotland because, yes it's a long way away, but it is also on the West Coast main line and the M74 (and the junction for the Edinburgh road), so a lot of people may well remember passing through it - unlike Northampton's suburbs. And, as the link Lee has posted indicates, we have also covered the more serious side of the Radley station work.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2008, 18:47:18

Well, we journalists do like our cheap laughs. Think we picked Scotland because, yes it's a long way away, but it is also on the West Coast main line and the M74 (and the junction for the Edinburgh road), so a lot of people may well remember passing through it - unlike Northampton's suburbs. And, as the link Lee has posted indicates, we have also covered the more serious side of the Radley station work.

Fair enough I suppose. I guess I was more narked by the smug expression and silly stick pointing from the Councillor in the accompanying picture, than the actual article! Having looked at where the sign actually is pointing I reckon Abington in Texas or Massachusetts is a fairer bet though!  ;)


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Lee on October 29, 2008, 21:01:03
Article link on the unveiling of a plaque to mark the completion of the improvement works.
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/headlines/3769135.__1m_station_facelift_complete/

Here is a photo of said plaque :

(http://www.raildocuments.org.uk/oct08photos/281008radley5.jpg)

More photos can be found in the link below.
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=3769.msg29097#msg29097


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 14, 2009, 18:26:27
From the Oxford Times (http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/4591419.Station_gains_extra_services/):

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A village train station is to get extra hourly train services to London and Oxford after passenger numbers rocketed by 30 per cent.

Radley station will have extra hourly off-peak trains stopping at the station after footfall spiked from 57,468 passengers in 2006/07 to 74,654 in 2008/09.

The service increase comes just a year after ^1m of improvements were made at the station which doubled the number of cycling spaces and included a larger and resurfaced car park.

The renovation funded by Oxfordshire County Council, First Great Western and Network Rail also saw a new footbridge installed as well as new vandal-resistant waiting shelters and new signs on the platform.

The improved service has been welcomed by villagers and is expected to further increase passenger numbers at the station. Following the renovation, Radley Parish Council set up an independent group to maintain the appearance of the station.

Lynda Pasquire, treasurer of the Friends of Radley Station, said: ^Most people would agree having a more frequent train service into Oxford is a great idea. It only takes about six minutes from Radley to Oxford by train but it takes about three quarters of an hour by car in rush hour in the morning.^

Mrs Pasquire, of Shaw Copse, said: ^At Radley, the usage has gone up immensely, particularly since the station has been upgraded. A lot of people from Abingdon use the station and since First Great Western took over the franchise, they have been much more interested in the station and have worked to upgrade it.^

First Great Western took over the Thames Valley franchise from Thames Trains in 2004.

There are 23 services a day from Radley to London and 27 services a day from Radley to Oxford.

The new timetable is expected to double the number of off-peak services departing Radley to Oxford and London from one to two per hour.

Parish council chairman Jennie Standen said: ^The station is very popular for passengers going to Oxford, Reading and London. The station serves a large part of north Abingdon and it can save a lot of difficulty for someone to use trains here and prevent the difficulty of going to Oxford or Didcot.^

FGW spokesman Ellie Banks said the firm believed improvements at the station had boosted passenger numbers. She said: ^FGW supports the inclusion of additional stops at Radley and these have been included from the December 2009 timetable change.^

County council assistant transport planner Ed Webster said: "The council welcomes the news that Network Rail and First Great Western want more trains to stop at Radley. The reason for Oxfordshire County Council^s ^300,000 investment at Radley station last year was to encourage more passengers to use it, which in turn would hopefully justify more trains to stop, so kick-starting a cycle of growth.^


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 19, 2009, 12:16:39
Interesting one this. According to the new timetable, Radley won't be getting a 30-minute interval service throughout the day as suggested in this Oxford Times article, and I think 'gwr2006' was talking about it on here earlier in the year.

It does have a few extra trains, an increase to 30 from 27 a day from Radley to Oxford, and a total of one extra train the other way giving a total of 27. That's far short of what is suggested in that fairly recent article though? Has it got anything to do with the restoration of off-peak services at neighbouring Culham and Appleford, or is it just a case of the reporter not wording the article very well or misunderstanding the situation?

The station car park is also regularly full to capacity now on most weekdays - it would be nice if any increase in services could also come with a further expansion of the car park. This would be fairly cheap to do as land is available next to the current extent of the parking area and could easily allow another 20-30 spaces to be provided (about a 50% increase).


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: paul7575 on November 19, 2009, 12:45:17
The reporter probably got told that there was to be a half hourly service for commuters.

So, because as we know, reporters all believe commuter and passenger are synonymous, ::) they get confused. This is because when the railway talks about commuter services, they mean services that are run only in the peaks...

Paul  ;D


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 06, 2010, 16:23:39
Two fatalities at Radley in 3 days - one on Friday when 1431 Oxford - Padd Turbo hit someone, and another one to-day at about the same time, but not sure what train was involved. Commiserations to the traincrew involved, emergency services people who attended and the hundreds of passengers affected.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on June 06, 2010, 17:44:54
I think to-day's was 1440 Oxford - Padd turbo.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: gwr2006 on June 06, 2010, 18:48:08
I think to-day's was 1440 Oxford - Padd turbo.

That is correct.  It was the 1440 train formed of 2x 3-car Turbo, although journey retimed to 1559 - not that the CIS had been updated!  The leading unit was empty stock from the sidings and the rear unit was 1P51 the 1300 train from Great Malvern whch coupled together at Oxford.  It was due to call at Didcot Parkway, Reading & Slough.  The train departed Oxford full and standing as the Chiltern main line is closed for engineering work and Chiltern Railways from Birmingham Snow Hill are terminating at Oxford instead, with passengers forward on FGW.

Person jumped from platform into path of train which was travelling at 90mph and damaged equipment under the unit so the stock was unable to move until fitters arrived on site.  Train then ran non-stop to Reading and taken out of service.  Relief driver taxied from Oxford to Radley.

Line reopened at around 16:30.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: John R on June 06, 2010, 20:37:57
I think to-day's was 1440 Oxford - Padd turbo.

The train departed Oxford full and standing as the Chiltern main line is closed for engineering work and Chiltern Railways from Birmingham Snow Hill are terminating at Oxford instead, with passengers forward on FGW.

Line reopened at around 16:30.

It doesn't appear as though much effort had been made to make appropriate provision of stock onwards from Oxford if it left full and standing on a Sunday afternoon.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 06, 2010, 22:14:38
On a normal Sunday the Oxford-London trains are very full - especially later in the afternoon.  Not sure if the 14:50 is normally a 6-car, but the previous fast train at 13:38 (which starts at Oxford) was only a 3-car today.  It should have been a 6-car but a technical problem with one of the sets on its previous working from Paddington led to 3-cars being detached at Reading.  I was off to see the g/f and intended to catch it, but hastily changed my plans when it was full and standing before about 150 people arrived on a 168 from Birmingham and proceeded to cram aboard - I just missed the fatality by the sounds of it!

There's no reason (in theory) why an 8 or 9-car couldn't work on the Oxford-Didcot-Reading-Slough-Paddington route (provided that the main line platforms at Slough were used), and given the large number of Chiltern passengers (and the likelihood that similar arrangements are common on Sundays in the near future whilst Chiltern continue with works for the Mainline service next year), perhaps that should be the case on all non-HST operated services?  I would imagine Chiltern would have to agree to pay for the additional costs though.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Ollie on June 06, 2010, 23:06:45
In an ideal world you could probably have Chiltern services continue from Oxford non-stop to Pad, but of course drivers need to sign the route and such...


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Ollie on June 06, 2010, 23:43:13
As an addition, I am reliably informed that FGW and SWT have coupled together at Salisbury before, so maybe Chiltern could have attached the unit to the FGW one, so avoiding having to train their drivers?


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: willc on June 07, 2010, 08:25:11
Chiltern sets certainly used to couple to/uncouple from  Paddington services at Oxford when the Marylebone route was shut in the past but I haven't seen it done in recent years.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ChrisB on June 07, 2010, 09:47:59
I've seen some Chiltern paperwork showing their units being coupled up to FGW in future weekends, so it's definitely being considered.....the only prob that I can foresee is the return journey from PAD, where the Chiltern unit would lead (if attached to rear of FGW unit @ OXF) - can FGW drivers drive Chiltern units (i.e. are the cab layouts identical?) & what about cab radio frequencies?

I'll pass these comments abouit yesterday onto Chiltern....

I'm hearing the casualties at Radley were related....awful.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: eightf48544 on June 07, 2010, 10:07:30
One time I believe there were some Chiltern Drivers who had signed Oxford Padd when the last diversions occurred. Re ChrisB's point  wehether FGW drivers can drive Chiltern Turbos they could always have an FGW pilotman with a Chiltern driver.

As there isn't a full TV timetable book anymore I can't check if Chiltern still have their late evening Banbury Oxford to keep up route knowlege.

Of course the ghost train out of Padd to Aylesbury
(?) is partly to keep route knowledge South Ruislip to Padd. I expect it will be full of FGW HST drivers just beofre Christmas lerningt the road for the Banbury diversions.



Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ChrisB on June 07, 2010, 10:10:47
As there isn't a full TV timetable book anymore I can't check if Chiltern still have their late evening Banbury Oxford to keep up route knowlege.

Yes, that service continues (Monday - Friday) - very useful it is too!

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Of course the ghost train out of Padd to Aylesbury
(?) is partly to keep route knowledge South Ruislip to Padd.

What time does this run then? You're not referring to the Padd - WYC service are you?


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: eightf48544 on June 07, 2010, 10:14:07
Yep the WYC train around 11:XX  that's why Ayesbury was ? marked. It seems to vary it's destination and departure time in different timetables during teh many years it's run.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: gwr2006 on June 07, 2010, 11:34:53
Yep the WYC train around 11:XX  that's why Ayesbury was ? marked. It seems to vary it's destination and departure time in different timetables during teh many years it's run.

It is headcode 2M24 and currently runs 11:36 Paddington to High Wycombe service, calling at Gerrards Cross (12:03), Seer Green (12:08) and Beaconsfield (12:11) before arriving HWY at 12:19. 

There is no inward working now as the stock comes off Wembley Depot at 10:43 and runs via South Rusilip (reverse) to reach Paddington at 11:20.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ChrisB on June 07, 2010, 11:38:01
Will that manoevre at South Ruislip be possible once the Evergreen 3 works at that junction are complete?


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on June 07, 2010, 18:17:48
can FGW drivers drive Chiltern units (i.e. are the cab layouts identical?) & what about cab radio frequencies?

Just to confirm eightf48544's reply, that the cab layouts are sufficiently different between the two 165's following the Chiltern refurb, so there would need to be a pilot driver.  The 168's are considered a different type of traction from 165/6's, so there would definitely need to be a pilot driver if they were used.  No issues with the Cab Secure Radio or coupling equipment though - I guess it's just whether it's worth the effort given that half the Sunday Oxford-London trains are HST's and half Turbos, so unless all the HST's were taken off for the day it would be a patchy through service at best.

If there were no engineering works between Didcot and London (i.e. no 2-track sections) on a given Sunday, then there probably would be paths to squeeze them through on their own every hour, but then you might stretch the crew resources too far.  Not an easy solution sadly.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ChrisB on June 07, 2010, 18:30:35
Chiltern passengers creating 'full & standing' from OXF to PAD is unfortunately not acceptable either on an ongoing basis either. I'm taking this up with Chiltern management. Chiltern need to do better.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: super tm on June 07, 2010, 18:32:15
I expect it will be full of FGW HST drivers just beofre Christmas lerningt the road for the Banbury diversions.



No pad drivers will not be learning this route.  Pad guards will be though.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on June 07, 2010, 22:29:40
From the Oxford Mail (http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/headlines/8206346.Two_killed_at_station_in_three_days/):

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Two killed at station in three days

Two people have died in three days in incidents involving high-speed trains at the same station.

British Transport Police (BTP) were called to Radley station on Friday following a report that a man had been struck by a train.

A woman also died at the station on Sunday after being struck by a train.

A spokesman for Oxford Coroner^s Office said the two people had not yet been formally identified.

The dead man was believed be a 51-year-old from Leamington Spa. The train involved was the 2.31pm Oxford to London Paddington service. The line reopened to trains at 4.30pm.

The woman is believed to be a 37-year-old from Radley, who was pronounced dead at the scene.

Regarding the incident on Sunday, BTP spokesman Simon Letouze said: ^Officers from BTP and Thames Valley Police, and paramedics from the South Central Ambulance Service attended.^

Police are treating both incidents as non-suspicious.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ChrisB on June 08, 2010, 11:03:45
I'm hearing from rail staff that these two are related in some way....really sad.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: willc on December 05, 2010, 10:18:44
Inquests into both deaths were held at the same sitting this week. Other than location, there was no connection.

http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/yourtown/abingdon/8717192.Inquests_told_of_two_suicides_on_railway_at_Radley/


Title: CCTV released: Help police identify cycle thieves ^ Radley, Oxfordshire
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 28, 2012, 21:55:47
From the British Transport Police press release (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/CCTV-released-Help-police-identify-cycle-thieves-Radley-Oxfordshire-1cff.aspx):

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British Transport Police (BTP) officers investigating two bikes being stolen from Radley station are calling on the public^s help to identify those responsible.

Investigators have today released CCTV images of three men they would like to speak to in connection with the incidents, which took place in September.

PC Roddy Brown, the investigating officer, said: ^The first victim left his bike at the cycle shed at Radley station around 10.15am on Thursday, 13 September. When he returned to collect it at 5.40pm he realised it had been taken.^

^The second victim arrived at the station about 7am on Saturday, 15 September and locked her bike to the cycle racks. Around 1pm, she returned to the station to find that her bike and lock had been stolen.^

Officers have been carrying out a number of enquiries into the incidents, including viewing CCTV in and around the station and speaking to witnesses at the scene. Images of three men have now been released by officers in a bid to identify those responsible.

(http://www.btp.presscentre.com/imagelibrary/displaymedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=9524&SizeID=2) (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/imagelibrary/displaymedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=9525&SizeID=2) (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/imagelibrary/displaymedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=9526&SizeID=2) (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/imagelibrary/displaymedia.ashx?MediaDetailsID=9527&SizeID=2)

PC Brown added: ^Officers will continue to carry out high visible patrols in and around the station and bike racks, delivering crime prevention advice for owners who fail to properly lock and secure their cycles.

^We work closely with colleagues from Thames Valley Police and train operator First Great Western to tackle cycle crime at rail stations and ask passengers to report any suspicious behaviour to a member of staff or police.^

Anyone with information should call British Transport Police on freefone 0800 40 50 40 quoting B3/LNA of 24/10/12 or the independent charity, Crimestoppers, anonymously on 0800 555 111.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 07, 2013, 16:43:06
Hot on the heels of Pangbourne, it looks like workers have moved in to build the car park extension at Radley.  Not before time, as the car park is full every weekday by mid-morning, even though it wasn't that long ago when it was first expanded.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on February 08, 2013, 17:26:11
Perhaps that is why the start of the Hanborough car park construction that I was advised would start last October and be finished by the end of the year has not yet started by February 2013.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 08, 2013, 21:46:18
See http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9639.msg126188#msg126188 for developments at Hanborough.  :)


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 24, 2013, 02:38:48
Hot on the heels of Pangbourne, it looks like workers have moved in to build the car park extension at Radley.

Good to see Radley's car park expansion finished this week and open for business.  Difficult to be precise as the enlarged area is gravel without actual marked out spaces, but I would guess that there's now room for an extra 30 or so cars on top of the 50 or so that could already fit in the car park on weekdays - I'll be interested to see if these extra spaces gets taken up quickly as Radley becomes ever busier as a local community station and railhead for Abingdon.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 02, 2013, 21:37:34
From the Herald Series (http://www.heraldseries.co.uk/news/10847957.Scrap_plans_for_yellow_lines_plead_frustrated_residents/?ref=mmsp):

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Scrap plans for yellow lines plead frustrated residents

(http://www.heraldseries.co.uk/resources/images/2756068/?type=articleLandscape)
The virtually deserted station car park

A rail company is set to pay for yellow lines throughout a village after its car park charges pushed commuters on to residential streets. But residents in Radley near Abingdon are fighting the plans.

First Great Western spent ^165,000 of Department for Transport cash extending the car park at Radley railway station earlier this year by 30 spaces, but also started charging ^3 a day. But villagers then complained to FGW that the charge pushed up to 20 commuters every day on the area^s narrow roads.

Now, they say, fewer people are using the car park than before it was expanded.

Lower Radley resident Graham Steinsberg said: ^It is an accident waiting to happen. Sharp braking is already the order of the day in the village, which is a nuisance, but in icy conditions it will be only a matter of time until this nuisance turns into a serious accident.^

Now Oxfordshire County Council has pledged to create parking restrictions in the village, but villagers say they don^t want parking restrictions on residential roads. They want FGW to stop charging for use of its car park.

Mr Steinsberg, 57, a chartered accountant, said: ^We don^t want yellow lines appearing anywhere. If they were making tons of money out of the car park which allowed them to lower fares, it would be okay.^

But he said fewer people were now parking at the station than before charges were introduced: ^The economic argument doesn^t stack up.^

County councillor for Radley Bob Johnston said: ^There have been numerous meetings, and I have pushed as hard as I can but now it is down to FGW and officers at the county to decide what is to be done.^

Oxfordshire County Council spokesman Martin Crabtree said: ^We will be looking at how parking restrictions could be effective in solving local parking issues and would expect to consult on proposals early in the new year. Depending on the outcome a scheme could be implemented in the spring. We would expect the cost of any scheme to be funded by the rail company.^

He said the solution would not involve parking permits.

First Great Western spokesman James Davis said the Department for Transport funding was for ^commercial projects only^, so the company was obliged to charge for use of the car park.

Mr Steinsberg has now started a pressure group, Stop Clogging Radley with Parking (SCRAP), calling on FGW to scrap its car park charges.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ray951 on December 03, 2013, 10:52:18
I wondered where all the cars had gone as since they have extended the car park and charged for parking.
Since the charging I have never seen the original car park full, never mind the extension.
If they had charged before they had extended the car park they could have saved ^165,000!
And ^3 a day is a lot cheaper than parking at Oxford or Didcot and I wonder how many of the people travelling to/from Radley travel for 'free'.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 03, 2013, 12:26:59
About 40 cars parked in there today, so by no means empty, but there is a sizeable number of vehicles that do indeed clog up the streets.  Can't see the charges being reduced or removed as the money spent will have to be recovered somehow.  I can understand how frustrating it is for local residents to have commuters cars parked there, but I reckon that residents permits is probably the best compromise?  If all the rail users parked in the station car park paying the modest daily charge then I reckon it would be nearing capacity usage after a short while.

As for Mr. Steinberg's comments in the article, the economic argument does stack up as the expansion cost is being met by those 30-40 cars that use the car park daily and pay for it when previously 50 or so cars were crammed in for free.  As for the cost of fares, interestingly the Radley to Oxford off-peak return rail fare is 60p cheaper than the bus fare (and at 7 minutes far quicker than the No. 35!).

If they had charged before they had extended the car park they could have saved ^165,000!

The problem of street parking would then have reared its head a lot earlier on.  The extension will allow the growth or Radley station to continue over time, just like Pangbourne where the recent extension is currently only about 50-75% used currently.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Network SouthEast on December 03, 2013, 13:12:20
I note that some councils (in the outskirts of London) have residents parking/metered parking but only for a very short time. One example I can think of is Kew Gardens, which is only enforced from 10:00 to 12:00. The rest of the time it's free. This makes it difficult for commuters to park, but residents and visitors can go about their daily business relatively unhindered. I think this is a better solution than a blanket restriction which some councils end up going for.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Tim on December 03, 2013, 13:36:55
... that is smart thinking.

perhaps they could also try dropping the parking charge to ^2.  Might be more or less cost neutral if the car park got more customers.   


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on December 03, 2013, 16:51:36
I have added the following comment to the article on the Oxford Mail web site:
yabbadabbadoo256 says that the road vehicle licence permits a car to be parked legally anywhere on the highway. His understanding of the law is at fault. The licence gives the driver only the right to "pass and repass", i.e. to drive on the road. Immediately a vehicle stops it is creating an obstruction and in theory could be charged with obstruction. Obviously the police have to treat obstruction sensibly and only charge when an obstruction is real and not just a technical obnstruction.
The residents of Radley should have objected to the original proposal to increase the parking at Radley statioon when it was originally announced several years ago because it was made clear at the time that the funding was only being made available for "revenue generating investment". It is a bit late to complain now.
The suggestion of a one hour parking limit is a sensible one. Here at Hanborough and also at Charlbury a one hour ban between 11.00 am and 12 noon has been imposed on roads near the rail station that are residential roads and that works very well.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ellendune on December 03, 2013, 19:24:38
I wondered where all the cars had gone as since they have extended the car park and charged for parking.
Since the charging I have never seen the original car park full, never mind the extension.
If they had charged before they had extended the car park they could have saved ^165,000!
And ^3 a day is a lot cheaper than parking at Oxford or Didcot and I wonder how many of the people travelling to/from Radley travel for 'free'.

This is a classic example of lack of research or ignoring the information.  Oxford City have recently introduced charges at their park and ride car parks.  The price per day there is only ^2.00. (The return bus fare is ^2.25 I think).

Since most people will ignore the small cost of driving from Radley to the Park and Ride (particularly if they have already driven from Abingdon) then this compares unfavourably with ^3.00 to park and ^4.10 anytime return rail fare.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ray951 on December 03, 2013, 21:48:15
It wasn't ignorance as I was comparing the price of parking at Radley station with that at Didcot Parkway or Oxford stations, i.e. I don't understand why they are complaining. Apologies if I didn't make that clear, plus how many passengers actually pay the fare given the lack of facilities to buy a ticket at Radley.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ellendune on December 03, 2013, 22:04:32
It wasn't ignorance as I was comparing the price of parking at Radley station with that at Didcot Parkway or Oxford stations, i.e. I don't understand why they are complaining. Apologies if I didn't make that clear, plus how many passengers actually pay the fare given the lack of facilities to buy a ticket at Radley.

I was not suggesting ignorance on your part but on this setting the car park prices.  ^2.00 would at least be the same as the Park & Ride.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: ray951 on December 04, 2013, 09:06:47
No offence taken and its to easy to misread an item ;)


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: Busboy W1 on December 04, 2013, 21:02:30
Nearly all trains that call at Radley have a Ticket Examiner on board. And with the favourable journey time of 8 mins to Oxford compared to the No 35 bus which takes on average 25+ Mins the extra amount to the Anytime fare is justified. Off Peak is ^3.40 similar to the bus fare !! Correct me if I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 04, 2013, 21:53:23
Off Peak is ^3.40 similar to the bus fare !! Correct me if I'm wrong.

60p cheaper.  See my previous post.   ;)


Title: Re: Radley Station - timetable changes, incidents and refurbishment (merged topics)
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 05, 2019, 15:40:17
Good to see Radley's car park expansion finished this week and open for business.  Difficult to be precise as the enlarged area is gravel without actual marked out spaces, but I would guess that there's now room for an extra 30 or so cars on top of the 50 or so that could already fit in the car park on weekdays - I'll be interested to see if these extra spaces gets taken up quickly as Radley becomes ever busier as a local community station and railhead for Abingdon.

I wondered where all the cars had gone as since they have extended the car park and charged for parking.
Since the charging I have never seen the original car park full, never mind the extension.

Six years on and I spotted that Radley's car park was pretty much full today - 70 or so vehicles - so a good job it was extended all those years ago.  A little bit of free street parking remains at the top of the station approach I think, but I'm guessing parking in the village has been reduced?



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