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Title: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on January 03, 2018, 14:05:58
More bad news today:

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Disruption between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington expected until 15:00

Damage to Overhead wires between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington is causing disruption to journeys between these stations.

Services may be cancelled, revised or delayed by up to 40 minutes. This is expected to continue until 15:00.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on January 03, 2018, 15:17:53
And it's having long-term effects. JourneyCheck is reporting:

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Sat, 13 January 14:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:41
13/01/18 14:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:41 will be starting late from London Paddington and is expected to be 15 minutes late.
This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on January 03, 2018, 19:19:50
Indeed - that has been on the website for 5 hours.  I am amazed no-one responsible has spotted it yet.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on January 03, 2018, 20:26:18
And it's having long-term effects. JourneyCheck is reporting:

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Sat, 13 January 14:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:41
13/01/18 14:00 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads due 15:41 will be starting late from London Paddington and is expected to be 15 minutes late.
This is due to damage to the overhead electric wires.

I'd like a go on GWR's crystal ball. See if it will do the Lotto numbers for that day too.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2018, 06:15:11
...........you really couldn't make it up could you?

Cancellations to services at Reading


Due to failure of the electricity supply at Reading some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:15 04/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on January 04, 2018, 06:19:02
Due to failure of the electricity supply at Reading some lines are blocked.

Electric trains stuck in platforms perhaps?    Should have added diesel engines and called them "bi-mode"  ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 04, 2018, 07:44:05
It's been elaborated to read :
The power supply has failed at Reading Depot which means that the GWR Electrostar service between Didcot Parkway and London Paddington is disrupted. Network Rail colleagues are due on site imminently.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on January 04, 2018, 08:37:04
The 07.01 (Turbo) from Maidenhead to Paddington arrived with 3 of 6 carriages locked out of service - no mention of this by the driver or platform staff so perhaps they were oblivious to the mess unfolding.
The 3 remaining carriages were miserable and a woman near me collapsed to the floor around Hayes. 

Utter disgrace.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on January 04, 2018, 11:26:48
The 07.01 (Turbo) from Maidenhead to Paddington arrived with 3 of 6 carriages locked out of service - no mention of this by the driver or platform staff so perhaps they were oblivious to the mess unfolding.
The 3 remaining carriages were miserable and a woman near me collapsed to the floor around Hayes. 

Utter disgrace.
Indeed - not been the best week on the trains.. I've already had over 60 minutes of delays in just three days..It's going to be one long year if it continues like this.. Maybe GWR forgot to make a resolution to actually run a proper train service in 2018.. At least that way they won't break it like they have done in all the previous years   ::) ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2018, 13:00:37
More joy to look forward to.....

Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 04/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 04, 2018, 13:21:33
Due to a train hitting an obstruction on the line between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:00 04/01.

Due to a tree blocking the railway between Bedwyn and Newbury all lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 40 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 15:30 04/01.

Though trees are not infrastructure. And an obstruction can take various forms.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 04, 2018, 13:23:04
Let's hope GWR doesn't try to mask its awful start to the new timetable by blaming trees and suicides for it all.  It goes much deeper than that!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 04, 2018, 13:43:56
Let's hope GWR doesn't try to mask its awful start to the new timetable by blaming trees and suicides for it all.  It goes much deeper than that!

Indeed, they need to get to the root of the problem and stop making excuses...(sorry!)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on January 04, 2018, 19:12:41
It's been elaborated to read :
The power supply has failed at Reading Depot which means that the GWR Electrostar service between Didcot Parkway and London Paddington is disrupted. Network Rail colleagues are due on site imminently.

this morning 06:30 at Maidenhead the cancellations were being announced as a problem with the Overhead Electrification.

Problem with the term "power supply" can range from a few watts that powers a point indicator to OLE down in the sidings


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on January 04, 2018, 20:21:34
Due to a train hitting an obstruction on the line between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:00 04/01.
Though trees are not infrastructure. And an obstruction can take various forms.

A trampoline hit and smashed the windscreen of a train


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on January 04, 2018, 20:37:16
There was quite a lot on the radio at lunch time about trampolines and railways. It seems this is not the only such incursion.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on January 04, 2018, 20:39:24
Due to a train hitting an obstruction on the line between Didcot Parkway and Oxford all lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 14:00 04/01.
Though trees are not infrastructure. And an obstruction can take various forms.

A trampoline hit and smashed the windscreen of a train

These trampolines are a menace, a neighbour's went bowling down the road Tuesday smashing into quite a few parked cars.  what's really annoying car owners is said trampoline owner doesn't seem to see they need to pay for the damage .......................... insurance companies are going have fun sorting that out.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on January 04, 2018, 21:36:39
Should be included in house insurance?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on January 04, 2018, 22:30:18
Should be included in house insurance?

I would presume so, as part of public liability cover. Presuming that the owner of the trampoline admits that it is theirs, and also if the trampoline owner HAS any public liability insurance. Many tenants do not.
When I was a tenant I had no insurance.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on January 05, 2018, 05:41:49
These trampolines are a menace.
They are, causing all sorts of delays when they get blown onto the line. An absolute nuisance to Network Rail, TOCs and passengers.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 05, 2018, 05:44:16
These trampolines are a menace.
They are, causing all sorts of delays when they get blown onto the line. An absolute nuisance to Network Rail, TOCs and passengers.

.............sounds rather like the RMT.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 09, 2018, 04:35:27
Best stay at home then? 😡

Cancellations to services on all routes
Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington all lines are blocked.
Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 09/01.
Customer Advice
Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington services across a majority of the network are expected to be disrupted this morning


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on January 09, 2018, 06:23:29
Best stay at home then? 😡

Cancellations to services on all routes
Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington all lines are blocked.
Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 10:00 09/01.
Customer Advice
Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington services across a majority of the network are expected to be disrupted this morning

WTAF ?!?!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on January 09, 2018, 07:11:30
Signalling restored but not before it has had a pretty devastating effect on the start of service.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 09, 2018, 07:28:15
It's great to see all the promises about improvements from January 2018 coming to fruition.....all we need now is infrastructure that works, trains that work (or at least a situation where "more than usual" don't need repairing), and enough crew to operate them & we'll be in railway nirvana!

In the meantime, cough up for your fare increases with a smile & don't be ungrateful!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: lordgoata on January 09, 2018, 09:57:30
I understand that things happen with infrastructure, even frequently. I get that. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with, is the ridiculous decisions that seem to be made as a result. Example:

0651 arrived at 0654 at Goring today, 8-car EMU.
0703 was scheduled to arrive at 0731,  8-car EMU.
0730 was scheduled to arrive at 0730, 4-car EMU.

Doesn't take a genius to see that 2 trains will not arrive on the same platform, at the same time, so I knew one would be altered. I was at the station at 0645, and all of that information was displayed up until 0715, when suddenly the 0703 was cancelled.

Yes, that maybe because the 8-car was not available, but then why was it show as running (which it clearly was, given it had a delayed arrival time, rather than just saying "On Time" which is the default) if the train was not even available.

So we end up with the 4-car EMU, which was gonna be hell past Reading, and as we approach Tilehurst, we overtake an 8-car EMU. The thing was almost empty. No idea where it last called, but thanks to the handy display on the side, I could see it was stopping at Reading, Twyford, Maidenhead and Paddington.

We arrive and then left Tilehurst, and pull into Reading. Just as we stopped, another 8-car EMU from one of the platforms across from us, started to pull out. Again, thanks to the handy display, it was clear it was non-stop to Paddington. And how many people on this 8-car EMU? No more that 16 people (hard to count as it accelerated away, but certainly was no more than 1 or 2 in each car.).

When we left Reading it was standing only, at Twford it was heaving, and at Maidenhead it was not a chance in merry hell.


If they had cancelled the 0730 and not the 0703, we would have had 8 cars instead of 4.

Or if they had added an additional stop on the one just approaching Tilehurst to call at Tilehurst, it would have helped the 4-car I was on (and there would have been plenty of time to stop, given it never overtook us on the rest of the journey to Reading).

Or if they had held the 8-car at Reading and made an announcement to all the customers on the 4-car, some would have moved to the 8-car I am sure.

Of if they had added an additional stop at Twyford for the 8-car EMU, that would have all but eliminated the crush at Twyford on the 4-car EMU. Yes, that may had delayed us, but given all the delays anyway, a couple more minutes would not have made a difference.


As an aside, last night, the 1740 to Oxford arrived at Maidenhead on platform 1, as there was an EMU on platform 3 for Reading, which had sat there for a while. There was an almighty scrum as everyone piled off the EMU, down the stairs, under the underpass, up the stairs and on to platform one. It was chaos with people getting off as everyone tried to get on. Then as we sat there on platform one, the EMU pulled out, again with no more than 20-odd people and carried on to Reading in front of us. WTF was that all about! Could have been some serious accidents with everyone running up and down those stairs, and clearly everyone that got off the EMU was getting off at Twyford or Reading anyway, and ended up behind the one they were already on!


Anyway, I am rambling!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 09, 2018, 10:01:35
Due to a problem with line-side equipment between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 09/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on January 09, 2018, 10:29:21
"Like I said last time, it won't happen again".

Problems elsewhere - cable theft in Bristol being one - have compounded matters, not that it looks as though they needed much compounding.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on January 09, 2018, 11:18:56
In reply to lordgoata, the 7:03 (1P08) was cancelled at Goring in the sense that it ran on the Main Lines so didn't stop. It may have stopped at Tilehurst - RTT suggests it did, but isn't able to clearly show that. I imagine the idea was that it would get back in front of yours (1P11), but it didn't - it tagged along behind it all the rest of the way.

The train that left Reading as you arrived was 1P10, which is DID/RDG/PAD only. As a result it isn't in timetable T10 (which says "stopping services", though it includes semi-fasts that don't stop much). Today it was cancelled DID-RDG, but note that it does not run of the Mains there - not until Kennet Bridge (it uses P13 at Reading).

So it is one of the "peak-buster" fast EMUs, but it looks as if the set-up at Reading does not reflect that. I guess it does appear on the "next fast train" displays, but as it's not on P10/11 it's going to take more than that to persuade people to go for it. Of course this timetable is an interim one (until Crossrail come...), and the current lousy reliability will discourage anyone from switch trains or platforms for a better one they cabn't see. 

I also wonder about the set of timetables we now have. T10 is better than most for showing all the trains from A to B, but even that has gaps. The traditional approach has been to say fast trains RDG-PAD are so frequent there's no need for a timetable; once we had P10/11 in use you just go there and jump on the next one. With a lot of new seats that contradict that advice, a bit of thinking is needed. And that starts with why isn't 1P10 in P10/11 anyway? There's a gap for it to do that.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Louis94 on January 09, 2018, 16:19:41
And that starts with why isn't 1P10 in P10/11 anyway? There's a gap for it to do that.

Whilst it may look like there is a gap at Reading, there isn't a sufficient gap at Didcot for it to get across from the Relief Lines onto the Main Lines. There is freight paths through Platform 3 shortly after its departure, so it isn't possible to hold the 387 in the platform that bit longer to go behind the Bristol-Paddington. I could see this train perhaps starting from Swindon when the wires eventually extend that far, it could then run just behind the Bristol-Paddington service from Swindon and use the Main Lines throughout. When the 110mph running times are used it could be quite a fast service from Didcot.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on January 09, 2018, 16:22:10
Hopefully this will be fixed by 17:00 as stated:

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A fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough is causing disruption to journeys between Reading and Slough.

Services may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes.

Disruption is expected to continue until 17:00.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on January 09, 2018, 20:31:04
And that starts with why isn't 1P10 in P10/11 anyway? There's a gap for it to do that.

Whilst it may look like there is a gap at Reading, there isn't a sufficient gap at Didcot for it to get across from the Relief Lines onto the Main Lines. There is freight paths through Platform 3 shortly after its departure, so it isn't possible to hold the 387 in the platform that bit longer to go behind the Bristol-Paddington. I could see this train perhaps starting from Swindon when the wires eventually extend that far, it could then run just behind the Bristol-Paddington service from Swindon and use the Main Lines throughout. When the 110mph running times are used it could be quite a fast service from Didcot.

Of course - I was only thinking about using the Main Line from Reading, and forgetting that there's nowhere to do that switch between Didcot East and Kennet Bridge. It wasn't thought useful when Reading was redesigned, so the crossovers at Reading West that were lost were not replaced. Maybe when everything is running like clockwork passenger will cope better and it will matter less ...

But while it isn't, the loss of time due to mainline running at 110 mph max (<1 min DID-RDG and <2 min RDG-PAD) is not going to matter much either, so maybe we will see that. At least, until even later when the clockwork is so convincing it's worth stepping up to beyond 20 tph on the Mains in the peaks .

(File under "Fiction"?)



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: lordgoata on January 10, 2018, 08:37:04
In reply to lordgoata, the 7:03 (1P08) was cancelled at Goring in the sense that it ran on the Main Lines so didn't stop. It may have stopped at Tilehurst - RTT suggests it did, but isn't able to clearly show that. I imagine the idea was that it would get back in front of yours (1P11), but it didn't - it tagged along behind it all the rest of the way.

Thanks for that stuving, at least sounds like they tried to make a decent plan, but still failed. I guess if there had been clear announcements at Reading and Twyford (of course there may have been) that there were longer, mostly empty trains behind the 4-car, then perhaps there would have been less passengers squeezing into it; but given the unreliability, I suspect many wouldn't want to risk it, as you say.

Its just, as a passenger looking out at an almost completely empty train running next to you crammed into yours, when both have the similar stops and the same destination, you really do have to wonder about some of the decision making, hence my rant yesterday!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: rower40 on January 10, 2018, 14:05:42
Of course - I was only thinking about using the Main Line from Reading, and forgetting that there's nowhere to do that switch between Didcot East and Kennet Bridge. It wasn't thought useful when Reading was redesigned, so the crossovers at Reading West that were lost were not replaced.
Point of information...
A train on the Up Relief could cross to the Festival line at Reading West Junction, then into Reading platforms 7 or 8, then up along the Down Main to Kennet Bridge.  At the cost of crossing the Down Relief on the flat at Reading West Junction, and tying up the Down Main, and causing untold confusion on the transfer deck at Reading.

So possibly not a very useful crossover.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on January 10, 2018, 14:10:23
Of course - I was only thinking about using the Main Line from Reading, and forgetting that there's nowhere to do that switch between Didcot East and Kennet Bridge. It wasn't thought useful when Reading was redesigned, so the crossovers at Reading West that were lost were not replaced.
Point of information...
A train on the Up Relief could cross to the Festival line at Reading West Junction, then into Reading platforms 7 or 8, then up along the Down Main to Kennet Bridge.  At the cost of crossing the Down Relief on the flat at Reading West Junction, and tying up the Down Main, and causing untold confusion on the transfer deck at Reading.

So possibly not a very useful crossover.

Indeed - especially as I was angling to get that train into P10/11; it gets onto the Mains at Kennet Bridge anyway. The Festival Line works fine in the down direction, but then it doesn't matter a lot which platform you drop people at!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 12, 2018, 09:14:32
Due to failure of the electricity supply between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 12/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: GBM on January 12, 2018, 12:03:51
Due to failure of the electricity supply between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
Having a very big senior moment but how will that failure lead to blocked lines?
Surely just replace the fuse (or put more £1 coins in the meter)  :D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on January 12, 2018, 12:12:35
You reset the trip or replace the fuse and it trips/blows again straight away due to the original fault still being there.  Meanwhile the electric trains in the area have no power so cannot move and thus block the line.

The good news is the problem has been cured and things are on the move.  Five trains were trapped at one point.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 16, 2018, 09:19:55
Cancellations to services between Slough and Ealing Broadway


Due to a safety inspection of the track between Slough and Ealing Broadway some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:00 16/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 16, 2018, 19:23:23
Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 22:00 16/01.
Customer Advice: Heathrow Connect services are running non stop between Hayes & Harlington and Paddington.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 16, 2018, 20:28:16
Track defect leading to a 20mph speed restriction on the up main.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: didcotdean on January 16, 2018, 21:10:41
Now expected not to be rectified until 22:00 Thursday.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: rower40 on January 16, 2018, 22:19:36
Now expected not to be rectified until 22:00 Thursday.
Which begs the questions...
How many trains will pass over it, albeit at 20mph, until then?
Will that cause the defect to worsen?
How long a daytime closure would be needed to rectify it sooner - and would that entail closure of one or both adjacent lines?

On roads, the wear-n-tear increases as the 5th power of the axle load.  (Double the axle load, increase the tarmac damage by 32 times.). I don't know how speed affects that calculation.  Are there any track engineers out there that can give the equivalent sums for rail?

(and for $64k) Will a train derail between now and Thusday 2200 hrs?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on January 17, 2018, 02:34:53
(and for $64k) Will a train derail between now and Thusday 2200 hrs?

Simple answer. No.
There are plenty of 20mph speed restrictions up and down the country for track defects that never cause a derailment. It’s not a new thing. I’ve driven over track before with a 5mph speed restriction.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on January 17, 2018, 09:03:04
Its probably a cracked cast magnese crossing (again)......  They are OK to travel over at 20mph and a track watchman is usually put in place to keep an eye on it.  The delay is usually due to having to get the new crossing (they are no lightweight thing), staff and kit on site to do the change.

This could all be guessing though, it might just be that Network Rail (NR) aren't organised enough to correct whatever defect it is, in 24 hours..... ::) :P

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 17, 2018, 09:16:38
It may be that was the worst case being quoted, this is now updated to:
"Disruption is expected until 15:00 17/01"


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on January 17, 2018, 11:08:24
I thought the excessive padding in the timetables was inserted to take care of TSRs?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 17, 2018, 16:46:21
It may be that was the worst case being quoted, this is now updated to:
"Disruption is expected until 15:00 17/01"

Pushed out again

Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 23:59 17/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on January 17, 2018, 17:42:34
Its probably a cracked cast magnese crossing (again)......  They are OK to travel over at 20mph and a track watchman is usually put in place to keep an eye on it.  The delay is usually due to having to get the new crossing (they are no lightweight thing), staff and kit on site to do the change.

This could all be guessing though, it might just be that NR aren't organised enough to correct whatever defect it is, in 24 hours..... ::) :P

SandTEngineer could right, some of the castings are specials and only a few are held Nationally.

The other problem is the cutting, stressing and welding in sub zero rail temperatures, UK rail is stressed for a normal 20oC the Track Engineer may be reluctant to do this operation with the current tempratures 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2018, 11:13:41
.....here we go again...

 
Cancellations to services between Southall and Slough

Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Southall and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:30 18/01.
Further Information
Trains from London Paddington/Southall towards Slough/Reading, are unable to call at Hayes, West Drayton, Iver and Langley.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Louis94 on January 18, 2018, 11:29:08
.....here we go again...

 
Cancellations to services between Southall and Slough

Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Southall and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 14:30 18/01.
Further Information
Trains from London Paddington/Southall towards Slough/Reading, are unable to call at Hayes, West Drayton, Iver and Langley.

5mph ESR due to a broken insulated rail joint. Sounds like they are hoping to replace it this afternoon.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 18, 2018, 12:31:42
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading some Didcot Parkway lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:00 18/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on January 18, 2018, 12:38:42
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading some Didcot Parkway lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:00 18/01.

Greetings from 1C12 at Goring and Streatley

Fast lines westbound closed ... everyone on the slow lines

Err - sorry - main lines closed ... everyone on the relief

Said to be a "broken rail" to us on the train.  Presumably the track is strong enough to take the new trains?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Louis94 on January 18, 2018, 13:21:20
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Reading some Didcot Parkway lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:00 18/01.

Greetings from 1C12 at Goring and Streatley

Fast lines westbound closed ... everyone on the slow lines

Err - sorry - main lines closed ... everyone on the relief

Said to be a "broken rail" to us on the train.  Presumably the track is strong enough to take the new trains?

Defect in a set of points on the Down Main at Didcot East. The set of points have in the last 15 minutes been authorised for train movements when in the reverse position, this means everything will have to cross over to the Relief lines if using the Down Main.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on January 18, 2018, 14:41:32
According to the Metro newspaper, today's disruption caused Prince Harry and Meghan to arrive nearly an hour late for their visit to Cardiff:

http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on January 18, 2018, 15:06:22
According to the Metro newspaper, today's disruption caused Prince Harry and Meghan to arrive nearly an hour late for their visit to Cardiff:

http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/)


1. If you have an important engagement, it usually makes sense to take one train earlier than then you really need (discuss)

2. I was also nearly an hour late home.   Why didn't that make The Metro's web site?  ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on January 18, 2018, 15:36:24
Going for the train before is a kind of insurance. If one could rely on one's intended train running and reasonably to time (< 5-10 mins late depending on connections) every time you wanted to catch it then going for the train before would become unnecessary.

 I must admit where possible I tend to go for the train before especially if I have an onward connection. It gives more drinking time at the junction station even at Mirfield!

Should this be a new thread?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2018, 17:02:02
Going for the train before is a kind of insurance. If one could rely on one's intended train running and reasonably to time (< 5-10 mins late depending on connections) every time you wanted to catch it then going for the train before would become unnecessary.

 I must admit where possible I tend to go for the train before especially if I have an onward connection. It gives more drinking time at the junction station even at Mirfield!

Should this be a new thread?

Yes I think most regular travellers (definitely commuters) are resigned to the fact that our railway system is so unreliable that you rely on one train to get you there on time at your peril and so set out earlier than should be necessary.

Those who don't use trains regularly however are perhaps naïve enough to assume that the advertised timetable can be relied upon?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on January 18, 2018, 17:55:20
in the bad old days of Thames Trains when 80% punctuality was the norm, it meant you would regularly be late on at least two of your daily commutes per week. Usually an evening you wanted to be on time.

The only consolation you got 5% on your annual seaon ticket, which meant for several years as inflation wa ;ow I paid less each year.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 18, 2018, 19:48:12
Back on topic......

Delays to services between Slough and West Drayton
Due to a points failure between Slough and West Drayton some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 18/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Surrey 455 on January 18, 2018, 20:49:51
According to the Metro newspaper, today's disruption caused Prince Harry and Meghan to arrive nearly an hour late for their visit to Cardiff:

http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/ (http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/18/meghan-markle-prince-harry-hit-train-delays-making-one-hour-late-cardiff-visit-7240147/)


I bet they're on the web site right now submitting their Delay Repay claim. ;)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 19, 2018, 07:46:17
Due to a fault with the signalling system at Thatcham trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Reading.
Impact:
Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:30 19/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on January 19, 2018, 12:27:00
The railways falling apart. I would go by car but the potholes are getting too deep.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on January 19, 2018, 12:47:30
The railways falling apart. I would go by car but the potholes are getting too deep.
Aren't the just!  >:(


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 22, 2018, 16:39:53
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Hayes & Harlington some lines are closed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Impact: Train services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington have been revised.

Customer Advice:
Due to overhead line damage at Hayes & Harlington, Platform 5 is closed to electric trains. This means the Hayes Shuttle electric services are running with diesel trains today, formed of 3 coaches.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 22, 2018, 17:01:29
Plastic bag or explosive pigeon I wonder?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on January 22, 2018, 20:24:43
Are not most of the existing 3 car DMUs due to be cascaded further West and/or to other TOCs ?
How many are being kept ?
What will happen in windy weather in future, once most of the DMUs have gone ?

I have a cynical suspicion, that the work around in future windy weather/pigeon explosions will to use 5 car IEPs in diesel mode for suburban services, with main line services being half length to free up units for suburban services.

It is beginning to look as though the new suburban trains should have been bi-mode!



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: lordgoata on January 22, 2018, 21:28:02
Just for info, the 0651 from Goring was turbotuted today as well.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ellendune on January 22, 2018, 21:37:03
 Have the wires at Hayes been upgraded or are they still headspan system from HEx electrification?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: onthecushions on January 22, 2018, 21:52:36

On UK Rail forums, GW Electrification thread, it is reported that 387 pantograph carbon damage might have been traced to the Hayes bay - hence the block on electric trains today. Anyone know more?

OTC


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on January 22, 2018, 22:22:25
Have the wires at Hayes been upgraded or are they still headspan system from HEx electrification?

Its a bit of a hybrid much of it is still Mk3 headspan, however the Route have been doing upgrades at critical places like S&C (junctions)



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 23, 2018, 06:46:30
OHL at Hayes still knackered this morning, now this too

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 23/01.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on January 23, 2018, 14:54:10
turbotuted  :D.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on January 23, 2018, 16:07:48
As expected, the message has been revised to cover until the end of the day
Quote
Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at Hayes & Harlington some lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Train services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington have been revised.
Customer Advice
Due to overhead line damage at Hayes & Harlington, Platform 5 is closed to electric trains. This means the Hayes Shuttle electric services are running with diesel trains today, formed of 3 coaches.
Last Updated:23/01/2018 13:56

At least they've not cancelled them! Reducing stops on the busier local services seems to be their default option during disruption ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on January 26, 2018, 08:10:43
Morning

Quote
Delays to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:45 26/01.
Last Updated:26/01/2018 08:03


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on January 26, 2018, 08:12:30
I'm crawling along on 1A70. It's been a lousy morning commute this week.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on January 26, 2018, 09:26:01
I'm crawling along on 1A70. It's been a lousy morning commute this week.

It's been pretty lousy all month!  :(


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on January 27, 2018, 11:55:16
Yesterday was another bad commute.. 8.02 MAI to PAD too full to get on.. 8.06 cancelled.. 8.11 an impressive 2 coaches.. Well done on that one GWR.. I opted for the 8.16 stopping service as I didn't fancy being stuck in delays because of this in a cattle truck... Got to work half an hour late..Ho hum...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on February 02, 2018, 06:39:14
Another end of week present

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Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Passengers from Acton Main Line wishing to travel towards Ealing, Slough and Reading are advised to catch a service to Paddington and circulate.

Passengers from Paddington wishing to travel to Acton Main Line should catch a service to Ealing Broadway and circulate.
Last Updated:02/02/2018 06:33


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 02, 2018, 09:11:35
... advised to catch a service to Paddington and circulate.

An interesting way of expressing the intention of passengers doubling back.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: lordgoata on February 02, 2018, 10:22:44
Railways are terrible for using weird language. Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on February 02, 2018, 19:47:13
Railways are terrible for using weird language. Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!
Or vestibule!  ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on February 02, 2018, 22:11:12
Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!

What you do to alamp isn't it?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: chuffed on February 02, 2018, 22:20:14
Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!

What you do to alamp isn't it?

For years I thought a 'pantograph' was one of those 'etch-a-sketch' things.  Turns out to be what they were were designed on !


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Western Pathfinder on February 03, 2018, 12:05:56
Railways are terrible for using weird language. Took me years to even work out what the hell "alighting" was!
Or vestibule!  ::)
The late Chuck Berry introduced me to Vestibule when he sang  my ding a ling 😉


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on February 03, 2018, 19:29:55

1. If you have an important engagement, it usually makes sense to take one train earlier than then you really need (discuss)

You would risk the royal visitors getting there before the paint has dried.

Quote
2. I was also nearly an hour late home.   Why didn't that make The Metro's web site?  ;D

Beats me too! ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 05, 2018, 17:05:43
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 05/02.

This is optimistic. I'm 20 late leaving Paddington.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: sanfrandragon on February 05, 2018, 18:11:56
The service is no better ‘under the wires’, it’s just another reason/excuse for something to go wrong.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on February 05, 2018, 18:17:16
Message has changed:

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Cancellations to services between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington
Due to a safety inspection on a train between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 40 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 20:00 05/02.
Customer Advice
Great Western Railway Local inner London services being most severley affected with delays of up to 40 minutes together with result alterations and cancellation of services. As a result of congestion in the Paddington station area Main Line services are also subject to delay.

Great Western Railway tickets being accepted on London Underground from Ealing Broadway, Acton stations and Greenford.

London Buses are passing Great Western Railway ticket holders via any reasonable route along the Paddington / Ealing Broadway / Southall / Hayes corridor.
Last Updated:05/02/2018 18:09


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on February 05, 2018, 18:46:06
Same shit. Different year.
No trains to Maidenhead at peak tonight. The 18.19 was On Time until 18.18 at which point it had Maidenhead scrubbed from the list of calling points. Other services simply cancelled.
Any chance of help from the Helpdesk?  Nope. A grand total of zero concourse staff to assist this evening. Not one. I found 8 of them huddled halfway along platform 2 though.

Utter utter utter uselessness. As always.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on February 05, 2018, 18:47:05
Looks like the train affected is 2P58 1548 RDG-PAD - OpenTrainTimes is showing it still in the Westbourne Park area with a 1Z99 rescue train approaching it from the PAD direction.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on February 05, 2018, 19:11:07
All four pantographs on the two units damaged and problems with the overhead in the vicinity too.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on February 05, 2018, 19:25:49
All lines reopened (except line 6). Another 4-car 387 will leave Paddington to rescue the failed 2P58.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 05, 2018, 20:09:25
......it's strange how all those voices telling us how much better things would be from January 2018 seem to have fallen silent.......


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on February 05, 2018, 20:30:39
All four pantographs on the two units damaged and problems with the overhead in the vicinity too.

Was that 2P58? 387s have just the one pantograph each, you know. Mind you, if they'd been designed for the level of pan and OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) damage we're still seeing, perhaps they would have a spare one.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 06, 2018, 07:05:48
A whole day of it to look forward to......

Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop.
Additional Information
Due to damage to the overhead wires on Monday evening some services may be subject to alteration.
One of the six tracks in to London Paddington is closed to electric trains. Electric trains have to use other tracks, and this will cause congestion in the area.
The Hayes shuttle electric service will run as a diesel service to help alleviate congestion, however these trains will be formed of 2 coaches.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on February 06, 2018, 07:22:34
Monday was a 4.5hr return commute from Maidenhead to Canary Wharf. I can’t wait to see what today offers me. Whatever it is GWR has exceeded themselves in the ‘delivering disappointment daily’ awards.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: sanfrandragon on February 06, 2018, 08:30:23
Same shit. Different year.
No trains to Maidenhead at peak tonight. The 18.19 was On Time until 18.18 at which point it had Maidenhead scrubbed from the list of calling points. Other services simply cancelled.
Any chance of help from the Helpdesk?  Nope. A grand total of zero concourse staff to assist this evening. Not one. I found 8 of them huddled halfway along platform 2 though.

Utter utter utter uselessness. As always.

Agreed.

The 18.19 eventually arrived, around 20 minutes late, I got on, waited for the train to go, until the driver announced it would be fast to Reading, not stopping at Maidenhead, but might be stopping at stations thereafter.

Its the chaos that gets me.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on February 06, 2018, 10:02:16
Hayes services now 5 and 6 coaches

Quote
Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Train services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised.
Customer Advice
The Hayes Shuttle electric trains will run as 5-coach and 6-coach diesel trains.
Additional Information
Due to damage to the overhead wires on Monday evening some services may be subject to alteration.
One of the six tracks in to London Paddington is closed to electric trains. Electric trains have to use other tracks, and this may cause congestion in the area.
Last Updated:06/02/2018 09:47


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on February 06, 2018, 11:42:57
We've now reached page 166...

...maybe the whole thread should be cascaded to Bristol?

(Dons tin hat and makes for the exit...)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on February 06, 2018, 13:00:33
We'd probably only have to bring it back the following week when our new thread goes in for unexpected maintenance....


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on February 06, 2018, 18:03:21
Monday was a 4.5hr return commute from Maidenhead to Canary Wharf. I can’t wait to see what today offers me. Whatever it is GWR has exceeded themselves in the ‘delivering disappointment daily’ awards.

As predicted it’s another shower-of-shit evening service. Building a Greater West tonight equates to shoving half of the TV on to a 3 car turbo stopping service.
I’m seriously contemplating moving house to get away from Mark Hopwood’s lies and incompetence.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 06, 2018, 18:07:21
We've now reached page 166...

...maybe the whole thread should be cascaded to Bristol?

(Dons tin hat and makes for the exit...)

The way things are going we'll have reached 387 soon.....no danger of this thread being shortformed, there are plenty of drivers but we might all be in for repairs before long. ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on February 06, 2018, 18:10:34
Nobody seems to have noted that the Acton diveunder has been out of use for nearly two weeks now.  Apparently there is a problem with the integrity of the retaining walls.

The blockwork covering up the piled foundations looks a bit thin to me: https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/12/06/a-look-at-crossrails-critical-acton-dive-under/


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Visoflex on February 06, 2018, 18:41:12
Probably a victim of “Value Engineering” - where the value is engineered out in order to save money in the construction phase.  Only having to spend twice the difference in maintenance - but that’s someone else’s budget.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on February 07, 2018, 09:28:16
We'd probably only have to bring it back the following week when our new thread goes in for unexpected maintenance....

We could start a brand new 30-year old thread.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on February 07, 2018, 16:43:34
Noticed a 387 in the bay at H&H when passing earlier, so guess it's fixed?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on February 08, 2018, 08:57:38
You have to feel sorry for passengers on the 03:59 from Swansea this morning.  It broke down at Royal Oak within sight of Paddington and has now been there 90 minutes.    One of the Class 57s off the sleeper is now on its way to push it the last few yards into Paddington.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2018, 09:28:18
You have to feel sorry for passengers on the 03:59 from Swansea this morning.  It broke down at Royal Oak within sight of Paddington and has now been there 90 minutes.    One of the Class 57s off the sleeper is now on its way to push it the last few yards into Paddington.

..............agreed, but not just them to feel sorry for!

Delays to services at London Paddington


Due to a broken down train at London Paddington some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 08/02.
Customer Advice
Due to a broken down train just outside of London Paddington, one of the lines that is used for trains to arrive and depart from the station is blocked. Trains are able to run on other lines however there may be congestion in the area as a result.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2018, 09:59:24
............now pushed out until 1100


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on February 08, 2018, 10:11:01
Swansea train finally reached the platform at 09:50.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 08, 2018, 11:30:07
Doesn't get any better does it?

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway


Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or running non stop. Some stations between London Paddington and Southall will not be served. Disruption is expected until 13:00 08/02.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on February 08, 2018, 11:32:52
Points failure at Acton and the 10:22 to Hereford was trapped for 40 minutes.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: 1st fan on February 08, 2018, 12:14:45
You have to feel sorry for passengers on the 03:59 from Swansea this morning.  It broke down at Royal Oak within sight of Paddington and has now been there 90 minutes.    One of the Class 57s off the sleeper is now on its way to push it the last few yards into Paddington.
Ouch :o


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 08, 2018, 13:33:03
Arrived 140 minutes late.  One of the old trains which suffered a complete loss of air.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on February 08, 2018, 16:49:53
Arrived 140 minutes late.  One of the old trains which suffered a complete loss of air.

Meanwhile, after providing the rescue loco, the sleeper stock reached Reading depot 138 minutes late...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on February 08, 2018, 17:47:09
Meanwhile, after providing the rescue loco, the sleeper stock reached Reading depot 138 minutes late...

Good job they don't use the passenger coaches for a VegEx at the London end.  Extra commuter trains in morning and evening peaks using loco and coaches anyone?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: dviner on February 08, 2018, 18:23:51
Arrived 140 minutes late.  One of the old trains which suffered a complete loss of air.

So... not an infrastructure problem, then.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Chris125 on February 15, 2018, 18:58:59
Nobody seems to have noted that the Acton diveunder has been out of use for nearly two weeks now.  Apparently there is a problem with the integrity of the retaining walls.

The blockwork covering up the piled foundations looks a bit thin to me: https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/12/06/a-look-at-crossrails-critical-acton-dive-under/

Damaged by a road-rail vehicle (RRV) apparently.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 19, 2018, 19:52:39
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Southall trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough. Disruption is expected until 21:00 19/02.
Impact: Train services between London Paddington and Slough may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop.
Additional Information:
A track circuit failure at Hanwell means trains have to run at reduced speed. Because of the number of trains running in the evening Peak, congestion may occur. To allow Network Rail engineers to work on the problem, trains will be unable to use one of the lines towards Hayes & Harlington for approximately 30 minutes. Customers are advised to travel via Hayes & Harlington or London Paddington.
Services towards London Paddington and high speed services towards Reading, Oxford and the West are unaffected by this problem.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 20, 2018, 16:03:25
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Didcot Parkway.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:00 20/02.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 21, 2018, 07:17:57
Due to urgent repairs to the railway at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 08:00 21/02.
Customer Advice:
A track defect at Oxford has meant all trains towards Didcot are running at 5mph over the defective track. Network Rail are currently repairing the railway and was expected to be completed at 05.30 however is now expected to not be completed until around 06.30.
Replacement coaches have been requested but the work has now been completed and the line is open again but there is still a speed restriction in place. Services starting at Oxford have been delayed this morning and trains will continue to be delayed in the area due to the speed restriction. Short notice alterations are likely to occur to the service.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 21, 2018, 08:14:12
Due to urgent repairs to the railway at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 08:00 21/02.
Customer Advice:
A track defect at Oxford has meant all trains towards Didcot are running at 5mph over the defective track. Network Rail are currently repairing the railway and was expected to be completed at 05.30 however is now expected to not be completed until around 06.30.
Replacement coaches have been requested but the work has now been completed and the line is open again but there is still a speed restriction in place. Services starting at Oxford have been delayed this morning and trains will continue to be delayed in the area due to the speed restriction. Short notice alterations are likely to occur to the service.


Latest update


Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 10:30 21/02.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on February 21, 2018, 09:28:18
Due to urgent repairs to the railway at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 08:00 21/02.
Customer Advice:
A track defect at Oxford has meant all trains towards Didcot are running at 5mph over the defective track. Network Rail are currently repairing the railway and was expected to be completed at 05.30 however is now expected to not be completed until around 06.30.
Replacement coaches have been requested but the work has now been completed and the line is open again but there is still a speed restriction in place. Services starting at Oxford have been delayed this morning and trains will continue to be delayed in the area due to the speed restriction. Short notice alterations are likely to occur to the service.

Latest update

Train services running through this station will be cancelled or terminated at Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 10:30 21/02.

Additional remedial repairs needed to be done which resulted in further delays between 8.15 & 9.15


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on February 21, 2018, 12:25:16
Seems now to be fixed - it was a broken rail.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on February 22, 2018, 14:03:02
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Delays to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 15:15 22/02.

Last Updated:22/02/2018 13:59


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 22, 2018, 14:35:02
Looks to be very disruptive, with huge queues building up on the relief lines (12 trains currently between Reading and Didcot, that's nearly every section occupied!) and no thinning out of services that I can see to help.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on February 22, 2018, 19:47:18
Rats!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-43161164



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 22, 2018, 20:45:46
Great Western Rodents.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: onthecushions on February 22, 2018, 21:25:47

Rats' teeth are harder than iron, so it takes a lot to stop them.

I read that in Australia 25kV polymer insulators were being eaten by wild parrots.

Bring back the station cat.

OTC


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: didcotdean on February 22, 2018, 22:38:12
I see a rat or two scuttling around every time I walk along the Ladygrove Loop foot path, in the banks on the northern side of the railway station at Didcot. For every one seen there will be plenty more about.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on February 22, 2018, 23:29:15
Wot no exploding rat?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on February 23, 2018, 16:45:08
Wot no exploding rat?

No they just burn go crispy during which process they turn to carbon which shorts out the signalling power ........................ its a perpetual problem on older type signalling schemes


When rats get into lineside trough routes it an take ages to fined all the damage caused, they even like eating so called vermin proof cables  :-\


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 26, 2018, 17:26:24
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Basingstoke all lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:15 26/02.

Lots of other problems across the wider network

Now pushed back until 20:15


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 27, 2018, 07:42:58
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 27/02.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 27, 2018, 08:40:12
....................who needs the "Beast from the East" to cause chaos?  >:(

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Slough some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 27/02.

Customer Advice
Owing to signalling problems affecting the track which would normally carry the express services between Reading and London Paddington that line has had to be closed. All trains between Reading and London Paddington will therefore need to share the same line between Reading and Slough. As a result of this Twyford and Maidenhead stations will see a significant reduction in direct train services to Slough and London Paddington and Taplow and Burnham will have NO services towards Slough or London Paddington.

Any customers at Twyford, Maidenhead, Taplow & Burnham requiring stations towards Slough and London Paddington are advised to travel to READING and then return on an eastbound service. Similarly, any customers from Reading requiring Twyford, Maidenhead, Taplow & Burnham may need to travel through to SLOUGH and then return by a westbound service.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 27, 2018, 09:22:22
Due to a points failure between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/02.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on February 27, 2018, 10:55:49
The service rather had a meltdown this morning.. As from the previous post you can see they were advising Maidenhead and Twyford passengers to go to Reading to then go back towarfds London for stopping services... Even though the stopping services were running almost empty just not stopping at Twyford or Maidenhead.. ??? ???


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 27, 2018, 11:02:31

The service rather had a meltdown this morning


Meltdown? the 2 inches of snow hasn't even arrived yet? (................I'll get my coat)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on February 27, 2018, 11:09:08

The service rather had a meltdown this morning


Meltdown? the 2 inches of snow hasn't even arrived yet? (................I'll get my coat)

Ha ha and exactly... It can only get worse as the week goes on...

I think the person in charge of the trains this morning was probably having a quiet cry in the corner rather than actually trying to get the passengers for the local trains anywhere..

The local train passengers were definitely forgotten this morning in their quest to get the long distance trains through


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on February 27, 2018, 11:47:16
Reports state two inches of snow in Kent, so you cant expect a proper train service in the Thames Valley.
We increasingly have a "fair weather only railway", they struggle a bit even in fair weather due to more trains than usual needing repairs, and the failure to engage enough staff to run timetabled services.
So don't expect too much if it is cold, wet, windy, or hot.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on February 28, 2018, 00:29:03

The service rather had a meltdown this morning


Meltdown? the 2 inches of snow hasn't even arrived yet? (................I'll get my coat)

Ha ha and exactly... It can only get worse as the week goes on...

I think the person in charge of the trains this morning was probably having a quiet cry in the corner rather than actually trying to get the passengers for the local trains anywhere..

The local train passengers were definitely forgotten this morning in their quest to get the long distance trains through
That's normal for GWR. As soon as a line is lost anywhere between Paddington and Didcot Parkway it is the stopping services which have stops cancelled just so their precious fast trains aren't delayed by a few minutes ::) ::) ::) . Why should the Relief line services be cancelled when it was the Mains that had an issue on this occasion?

Until yesterday (Tuesday) I was looking forward to TfL taking over the stopping services as I thought they'd be more stubborn at not removing stops for GWR's fast trains. But they gave up running services so easily on London Overground and TfL Rail on hearing about snow, and took ages to reinstate things once it was clear that there was no snow. And on Monday I had TfL Rail miss out two stations when the train was only 4 minutes late (only to gain 2 of those minutes), and there was no announcement on board. And I thought GWR's removal of the Southall stop at 7 minutes late without telling the station back in January was bad enough (train diverted to Up Main just before station, once again the thing about their beloved fast trains not being delayed comes into play).


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on February 28, 2018, 09:47:26
If you check the @TFLRail twitter feed, the service they run has serious faults being levelled at them already....be careful what you wish for.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on February 28, 2018, 09:58:48
Due to a broken down train between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 11:00 28/02.
Customer Advice:
A Heathrow Express train has failed on the fast line on the approaches to London. As a result and to ensure that High speed services into London are not delayed, these services are now running on the lines used by stopping services.
To keep the lines clear for the high speed services, the GWR shuttle service between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington and also Heathrow Connect services are currently suspended.
Train services are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

HEX is suspended. I lost 25 minutes routing around the affected service. The train manager said the HEX service was being affected by ice in the overheads but I've not seen this mentioned anywhere else.

[ Problems now expected until 12:30 ]


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: dviner on February 28, 2018, 17:43:46
Only really an infrastructure problem in as much as the infrastructure wasn't available to be used as there was a broken-down train sitting on it.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2018, 09:18:14
Doesn't bode well


Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
Due to severe weather between London Paddington and Reading some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 09:45 01/03.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: DidcotPunter on March 01, 2018, 10:03:49
Paddington closed from 8:00am this morning.

High Speed services being turned round at Reading and Didcot, LTV services tipping out at Ealing Broadway. Loads of cancellations. Very glad I'm not travelling today.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on March 01, 2018, 12:11:07
A few platforms now open at Paddington.

This was purely a safety issue with their shiny floor becoming a hazard as they haven't enough staff/suitable machines/mats to put down to absorb the wet.....Network Rail (NR) must get and sort this....they chose to put down that type of flooring. They need to sort it out.

GWR need to upgrade their website which couldn't cope with the number of enquiries it was getting though


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2018, 12:20:53
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading


Following severe weather between London Paddington and Reading some lines will be reopened shortly.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 120 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:00 01/03.

Customer Advice
Chiltern Railways are conveying passengers between London Marylebone and Banbury via Princes Risborough and Oxford in both directions until further notice.
Virgin Trains West Coast are conveying passengers between London Euston and Birmingham New Street in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
West Mkidlands Trains are conveying passengers between Birmingham New Street and Great Malvern in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
South Western Railway are conveying passengers between London Waterloo and Reading via Staines and Windsor & Eton Riverside in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
Additional Information
Local stopping services bewteen London Paddington and Reading
We will be reintroducing our shuttle train service between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington.
A limited train service will be introduced between London Paddington and Reading.

High-speed services to/from London Paddington will start/terminate at Reading.
XX:00 Bristol Temple Meads to London Paddington terminate at Reading.
XX:30 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads start at Reading.
XX:29 Swansea to London Paddington terminate at Reading.
XX:45 London Paddington to Swansea to start at Reading.
XX:03 London Paddington to Plymouth/Penzance start at Reading
XX:21 London Paddington to Worcester, Great Malvern and Hereford start at Reading.
XX:15 London Paddington to Cardiff Central Suspended
XX:51 London Paddington to Oxford Suspended
XX:33 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa Suspended


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on March 01, 2018, 12:37:45
A few platforms now open at Paddington.

This was purely a safety issue with their shiny floor becoming a hazard as they haven't enough staff/suitable machines/mats to put down to absorb the wet.....NR must get and sort this....they chose to put down that type of flooring. They need to sort it out.

GWR need to upgrade their website which couldn't cope with the number of enquiries it was getting though
It can be slippery at the best of times. I remember the old surface at Paddington, black tarmac surface with round indents.



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ellendune on March 01, 2018, 13:37:43
It can be slippery at the best of times. I remember the old surface at Paddington, black tarmac surface with round indents.

[/pedant mode on] black tarmac mastic asphalt surface [/pedant mode off]



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on March 01, 2018, 13:49:34
It can be slippery at the best of times. I remember the old surface at Paddington, black tarmac surface with round indents.

[/pedant mode on] black tarmac mastic asphalt surface [/pedant mode off]


Thanks ellendune, a much better way to describe it. Not pretty but less slippery.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on March 01, 2018, 18:14:26
A few platforms now open at Paddington.

This was purely a safety issue with their shiny floor becoming a hazard as they haven't enough staff/suitable machines/mats to put down to absorb the wet.....Network Rail (NR) must get and sort this....they chose to put down that type of flooring. They need to sort it out.


The type of flooring was not Network Rail (NR) choice, it was something forced on Railtrack by English Heritage.  EH wanted Lime Stone (the pavers at Padd are French Lime Stone  :o )  York Stone pavers were to expensive and to heavy (due to the thickness) plus it is not as hard wearing.  EH would not accept reconstituted stone, concrete, tarmac etc

The slip hazard was highlighted at the time (1996 - 98)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 01, 2018, 20:36:17
Huge numbers of cancellations on routes tonight with no alternative road transport methods being arranged as they're apparently not safe.......what will GWR be doing to assist those who are stranded as a result?


Cancellations to services on all routes
Due to severe weather between Reading and Taunton:
Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Apart from London & Thames Valley services in the London/Reading/Oxford area all trains on the Great Western Railway network are severely disrupted and a majority of services will be cancelled.
The advice is not to travel.
We will also be unable to use taxis or buses due to this severe weather event. Road conditions will not be safe for road transport to be used as an alternative and we advise you not to travel.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on March 01, 2018, 21:31:59
Huge numbers of cancellations on routes tonight with no alternative road transport methods being arranged as they're apparently not safe.......what will GWR be doing to assist those who are stranded as a result?


Not certain that there is much that GWR CAN do.
You wont often hear me stand up for GWR, but in this case the conditions are too bad for trains or replacement road transport.
If people are stranded and merely uncomfortable, then that is one of the perils of travelling in severe weather.
If people are in actual danger from cold or exposure, then reliance may have to be placed on the emergency services, the voluntary groups such as the Red Cross, or even the Armed forces.

There is of course SOME help that GWR can offer, but it is very limited.
Keep station waiting rooms or others areas open, lit and heated all night.
Provide refreshments, when available.
Allow reasonable use of railway telephones to the public to contact friends and family.
Let people shelter on trains with the heating on, in the absence of other facilities.
Arrange taxis WHEN SAFE for very local journeys such as to a nearby hotel.
Offer to store luggage for those who decide to proceed on foot.

I have little sympathy with "the railway" when they fail to respond effectively to a railway problem such as signalling failures and train breakdowns, and under such conditions they have often IMO failed to promptly secure buses and taxis.
This weather though is affecting everything, buses and taxis included.
Taxi from Taunton to Penzance ? no way under present conditions !
Taxi from Taunton station to an hotel a mile or two away along treated roads ? Should certainly be considered.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on March 01, 2018, 21:35:45
... what will GWR be doing to assist those who are stranded as a result?

Excellent question.

When we ran accommodation (hotel) - away from railway - it was nights like tonight where we got last minute custom that didn't fit the common metric, and where at times we bent normal policy to help people out. But that was very low volume.

I would hope and expect that enough people have been put off making journeys tonight for the numbers having problems to be very few.

[just noted broad gage's post when I submitter this ... broad agreement; different enough for me to let my post stand too]


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on March 02, 2018, 09:31:31
Is the website infrastructure? Certainly where I work we treat it as such.

Anyway second (or possibly 3rd) day in a row I can't connect to it reliably enough to see what's happening. I'm guessing not a lot!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on March 02, 2018, 12:21:45
Is the website infrastructure? Certainly where I work we treat it as such.
Anyway second (or possibly 3rd) day in a row I can't connect to it reliably enough to see what's happening. I'm guessing not a lot!

The website is not infrastructure in the accepted railway sense of the word, it is however an important part of running a railway these days and really ought to work even at times of disruption.

In my view, a much simplified version of the website to be available at times of significant disruption.

Remove all the following from the simplified/emergency website.
Adverts that basically say how wonderful GWR are.
Other adverts that state things will be even better in the future.
All references to or adverts for leisure travel.
All pretty pictures, leaving only essential informative images.
All references to great adventures !
Any promotions.
Adverts for placesthat you can visit by GWR train.
Anything promoting or encouraging seat reservations, first class, or Pullman dining, since these facilities probably wont be available in any case, and certainly not reliably available.

All that is needed under such conditions is a list of

Routes that are closed
Routes that are badly disrupted
Routes that are less disrupted.
List of cancellations.
And other basic factual information.
Such a website should be much quicker at times of exceptional demand.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2018, 15:23:28
Not certain that there is much that GWR CAN do.
You wont often hear me stand up for GWR, but in this case the conditions are too bad for trains or replacement road transport.
If people are stranded and merely uncomfortable, then that is one of the perils of travelling in severe weather.
If people are in actual danger from cold or exposure, then reliance may have to be placed on the emergency services, the voluntary groups such as the Red Cross, or even the Armed forces.

There is of course SOME help that GWR can offer, but it is very limited.
Keep station waiting rooms or others areas open, lit and heated all night.
Provide refreshments, when available.
Allow reasonable use of railway telephones to the public to contact friends and family.
Let people shelter on trains with the heating on, in the absence of other facilities.
Arrange taxis WHEN SAFE for very local journeys such as to a nearby hotel.
Offer to store luggage for those who decide to proceed on foot.

I have little sympathy with "the railway" when they fail to respond effectively to a railway problem such as signalling failures and train breakdowns, and under such conditions they have often IMO failed to promptly secure buses and taxis.
This weather though is affecting everything, buses and taxis included.
Taxi from Taunton to Penzance ? no way under present conditions !
Taxi from Taunton station to an hotel a mile or two away along treated roads ? Should certainly be considered.

ALL subject to the fact that staff don't live at stations any more & if not safe for them to travel/work, it would be acceptable (unfortunately) for these suggestions to not happen. Sorry, but staff welfare comes just as high as passengers in these situations. Its not the NHS.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on March 02, 2018, 15:27:23
I agree, my suggested actions were to illustrate that GWR could not do MUCH about the extreme weather disruption, but there were some rather limited actions that they COULD take, but of course subject to staff availability and safety.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on March 02, 2018, 15:34:29
so *might* (be able to) take would be a better phrase?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on March 02, 2018, 16:00:21
so *might* (be able to) take would be a better phrase?

YES


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 06, 2018, 11:44:39
.............it's a shame the delays don't melt away as fast as the snow did............


Cancellations to services between Reading and London Paddington


Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or running non stop. Some stations between Slough and Southall will not be served. Disruption is expected until 14:00 06/03.
Customer Advice
The fast line from Reading to London Paddington is blocked between West Drayton and Hayes & Harlington, this is causing delays through the area as only 3 of the 4 rail lines are available.
Train services will run non-stop between Slough and Hayes & Harlington in both directions.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on March 06, 2018, 12:34:42
How dare they call it the 'Fast Line'.  Its the Main Line........ ::) :P


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on March 06, 2018, 16:34:14
Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires at Slough some lines are closed.
Impact: Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:30 06/03.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 06, 2018, 17:50:21
Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires at Slough some lines are closed.
Impact: Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:30 06/03.

Suicidal pigeon or Tesco carrier bag?  ???


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on March 06, 2018, 18:37:34
No reports of exploding pigeon, so probably just a plastic bag.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 06, 2018, 20:12:23
........every little helps 😩


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Interceptor on March 06, 2018, 20:45:15
Back the day, I was on my first cab ride as part of my training to see what the railway was all about, in a class 86 from Carlisle to Preston. All going well and suddenly felt an unusual jolt and a lamp illuminated on the driver's console, no power being taken. So free wheeled for a good few miles and came to a halt. Driver got down. Looked up. A large black crow or remains of was wrapped around the pantograph. Raised and lowered the pantograph again a couple of times and it fell off and we were on our way again. I dare say that current monitoring/safety systems may not allow this perhaps but this was 1979.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 06, 2018, 22:19:51
No reports of exploding pigeon, so probably just a plastic bag.

Was a bit of rope apparently.  OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) staff delayed getting to the site by an accident on the M4.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on March 06, 2018, 22:38:54
Back the day, I was on my first cab ride as part of my training to see what the railway was all about, in a class 86 from Carlisle to Preston. All going well and suddenly felt an unusual jolt and a lamp illuminated on the driver's console, no power being taken. So free wheeled for a good few miles and came to a halt. Driver got down. Looked up. A large black crow or remains of was wrapped around the pantograph. Raised and lowered the pantograph again a couple of times and it fell off and we were on our way again. I dare say that current monitoring/safety systems may not allow this perhaps but this was 1979.

As you were soon on your way again, I presume that it was the crow or remains thereof that fell off, and not the pantograph !


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CyclingSid on March 07, 2018, 20:19:32
A bit of rope! In South Reading the local "lads" found that the most efficient way to disconnect some houses with an overhead supply was a length of dog chain (dog not attached, so couldn't be removed the same way as crows).


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 07, 2018, 22:17:56
........so to recap.....the Infrastructure upon which the railways have spent billions of £ of taxpayers money and is (apparently) the future, can be brought to a screeching halt by.......a carrier bag, a dead pigeon........and/or a "bit of rope"......thank God the IETs can run on diesel.....🙈


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on March 08, 2018, 00:10:43
That is indeed a big benefit of the IET’s.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on March 08, 2018, 09:03:24
That is indeed a big benefit of the IET’s.

"Intermediate Electric Trains" ? :)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on March 08, 2018, 11:31:27
Surely "Intermittent Electric Trains"?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on March 08, 2018, 11:48:16
........so to recap.....the Infrastructure upon which the railways have spent billions of £ of taxpayers money and is (apparently) the future, can be brought to a screeching halt by.......a carrier bag, a dead pigeon........and/or a "bit of rope"......thank God the IETs can run on diesel.....🙈


Indeed, and whilst overhead line equipment is by its very nature always somewhat vulnerable to such items, I have a cynical suspicion that there is something about UK electrification equipment or operating procedures that renders it particularly vulnerable.
After all, European railways are largely electrified and don't seem to suffer from these incidents as often as we do.

A bit like the annual leaves on the line fiasco, Overseas railways suffer the odd delay caused by leaves, whilst ours degenerates into chaos.

My now famous crystal ball forecast declining reliability due to electrification. In particular I forecast that ever growing safety rules and procedures would result in large areas of OHLE being isolated for relatively minor problems.

And whilst the new IET can run on diesel, the new suburban units are pure electric. An IET can still be held behind an all electric suburban unit, each time an incident occurs.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on March 08, 2018, 11:51:30
And if they need access to the OHL equipment (such as to remove offending objects), that will still delay anything running on diesel too....


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on March 11, 2018, 17:34:18
And as a diversion from the chaos arising from lack of drivers:

Quote
Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough

Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough the line towards Slough is disrupted.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 20:00 11/03.

Last Updated:11/03/2018 17:21


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on March 11, 2018, 20:25:41
...
After all, European railways are largely electrified and don't seem to suffer from these incidents as often as we do.

A bit like the annual leaves on the line fiasco, Overseas railways suffer the odd delay caused by leaves, whilst ours degenerates into chaos.
...

Once again, I feel that the point has to be made that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. What seems not to happen may be happening after all, it's just that no-one's told you.

With respect to leaves, SNCF put out very similar explanations to Network Rail (NR) (including leaflets) for the frequent delays and even cancellations due to leaf fall. For 2015 they published a figure of 1173 hours of delays, which doesn't sound huge but I've no idea what kind of delay attribution process recorded it. It's not hard to find twitter complaints saying things like "France - the country where you're trapped in a train because of dead leaves" as if it's one of their particularities.

SNCF talk about putting repair shops up from two to three shifts to deal with wheel flats, and admit they are behind their neighbours in dealing with the issue. They have been buying more RTT trains, fitting ABS/WSP (not easy as a retro-fit), and trialling things like the adhesion gel used by Network Rail (NR). they claim to have largely solved the problem of "déshuntage" - loss of detection by track circuits - but that was not only due to leaves (the solution being to stop running single-car trains).

On 10th November 2017 they even closed two lines - from Guéret to Montlucon and the branch to Felletin - for over two weeks (as announced) due to leaves. That was subject to "or until we get an RHT train in",  which I suspect happened sooner. Not that either is much of a service anyway: four a day each way to Montlucon, and two to Felletin. But even so, other trains have been stuck for hours on gradients on these minor lines.

I suspect the same is true of OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE), noting that many other European networks are far more reliant on it than we are.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on March 11, 2018, 21:31:20
Great fun getting the younger family members (students) back to Exeter from Newbury this evening.

1648 from Newbury cancelled (not enough drivers)
1848 delayed, then cancelled (due signalling problems "between London and Slough"), then revised again to delayed and turned up 50 mins down
(actually surprised that they did manage to find a couple of seats as it was expectedly busy).

When they said, "why don't we just go in the morning", I said "could do", then after a few secs realised there are no trains west (or in any other direction) from Newbury tomorrow.

Just arrived in EXD 60 down. Long evening for those going all the way to PNZ.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on March 12, 2018, 16:56:39
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:45 12/03.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on March 12, 2018, 18:49:54
Lasted all of 10mins, according to emails I received


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: PhilWakely on March 15, 2018, 09:02:44
A slight deviation from the main topic, ...........

I took a trip on HS1 yesterday, taking a circular trip to Dover Priory - out via HS1 and back meandering around coast on third-rail. I was surprised how simple the HS1 metalwork is compared to the stuff on the GWR main line. I know we hear plenty about the wires coming down on the WCML and ECML, but I cannot recollect hearing anything about HS1.

Can somebody with the knowledge explain why the metalwork in GWR land could not be as simple as HS1?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on March 15, 2018, 10:02:39
Can somebody with the knowledge explain why the metalwork in GWR land could not be as simple as HS1?

Before considering the OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) design per se, there is a big difference in what the wires have to do. HS1 is pretty much one track pair, once it gets out of the yard at Dollands Moor. It does have a few junctions and loops, and the stations at the London end are a bit fancier, but at Ashford the trackwork is simpler than a typical GWR station. So most of what you see should only be compared with a bit of plain twin-track GWR main line.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on March 16, 2018, 10:09:44
Recently breaking news so no idea what actual impact will be but:

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Alterations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington

Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines are closed.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:45 16/03.

Last Updated:16/03/2018 09:53

and

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Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford some lines are disrupted.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 16/03.

Last Updated:16/03/2018 09:59


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on March 21, 2018, 15:34:16
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Delays to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:15 21/03.

Last Updated:21/03/2018 15:26

Not sure how serious it is or likely to be but the 14:21 Paddington to Worcester Foregate Street lost 24 minutes between Pangbourne and Moreton Cutting.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on March 22, 2018, 09:01:46
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:00 22/03


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on March 22, 2018, 15:01:55
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Alterations to services between Southall and West Drayton

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Southall and West Drayton trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Slough.

Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Ealing Broadway and Slough. Disruption is expected until 16:00 22/03.

Last Updated:22/03/2018 14:49

As always, can't tell at this stage what the impact might be but there are a number of services 14-20 minutes late into Reading at the moment.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on March 23, 2018, 06:46:35
Due to an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead the line towards Maidenhead is blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 23/03.
Customer Advice:
Services travelling towards Maidenhead unable to call at Burnham and Taplow stations. Services travelling towards Slough are running as normal.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on March 23, 2018, 07:00:36
Carrier bag(s) caught on the overhead at Taplow.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 23, 2018, 08:19:23
Carrier bag(s) caught on the overhead at Taplow.

Not guilty, I recycle mine!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: trainer on March 23, 2018, 20:45:34
Carrier bag(s) caught on the overhead at Taplow.

Not guilty, I recycle mine!

Hence the 'Green' appellation.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on March 27, 2018, 17:46:20
From National Rail Enquiries. Nothing on JourneyCheck but a number of delays at Reading as I type:

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An earlier fault with the signalling system at Reading is causing delays of up to 25 minutes and cancellations to journeys at this station. We anticipate a good service will be operating by 18:15.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on March 27, 2018, 17:47:39
Axle counter failures at Reading West junction affecting access to and from platforms 3 to 7.  Most now resolved.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Adelante_CCT on March 27, 2018, 18:57:53
3 & 7  ;)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on March 28, 2018, 09:49:34
Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway


Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 28/03.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 04, 2018, 09:15:28
Due to failure of the electricity supply between Reading and Maidenhead:
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 11:00 04/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 06, 2018, 20:39:37
Hello old friend :(

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Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington:
Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 21:00 06/04.
Last Updated:06/04/2018 20:10


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 09, 2018, 16:29:53
Due to a fault with the signalling system at Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Southall and London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 17:30 09/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 09, 2018, 16:59:10
Update:

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Alterations to services at Ealing Broadway
Due to a fault with the signalling system at Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Southall and London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 17:20 09/04.
Customer Advice
Customers travelling from the Hayes/Southall direction to Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline should travel via London Paddington.
Customers travelling from Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline to London Paddington should travel via Southall.
Additional Information
A track circuit failure in the Ealing Broadway area means one of the two lines into Paddington is closed. Trains have to use the one open line, and this limits the number of trains that can pass through.
To reduce congestion, GWR stopping trains will not call at stations between Southall and London Paddington.
The Heathrow Connect service is suspended.
Last Updated:09/04/2018 16:55


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 10, 2018, 16:03:08
Happened again today

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Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 16:30 10/04.
Customer Advice
GWR stopping trains will not call at stations between Southall and London Paddington.
The Heathrow Connect service is suspended.
Passengers travelling from the Hayes/Southall direction to Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline should travel via London Paddington.
Passengers travelling from Hanwell, West Ealing, Ealing Broadway and Acton Mainline to London Paddington should travel via Southall.
London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
London Buses are conveying passengers between Slough and London Paddington in that direction only until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
Last Updated:10/04/2018 15:45


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 10, 2018, 17:28:32
Seems to be getting worse.......

Alterations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington all lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 10/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on April 10, 2018, 17:35:25
Couldn’t happen at a worse time unless you are the film crew for Paddington 24/7.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 11, 2018, 11:00:46
Hat trick now

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Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to urgent repairs to the railway between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 12:00 11/04.
Customer Advice
London Underground are accepting GWR tickets to Ealing Broadway and Acton stations via any reasonable routes.
Further Information
London Underground are accepting GWR tickets to Ealing Broadway and Acton stations via any reasonable routes.
SWR are accepting GWR tickets between Reading and London Waterloo.
Last Updated:11/04/2018 10:56


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on April 11, 2018, 15:24:53
Has Journey Check gone wrong or something? Hardly any issues showing at the moment. Not even mention of half-functioning IETs.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 13, 2018, 13:58:15
Four days out of 5 this week ::)

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Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 15:00 13/04.
Further Information
GWR tickets are being accepted on London Underground services between Ealing Broadway/ Acton stations to/ from London Paddington.
GWR tickets are also being accepted on London Bus routes between Hayes/ Ealing Broadway/ Acton to/ from Paddington.
Last Updated:13/04/2018 12:56


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 15, 2018, 13:38:31
5 days out of 7 there has been disruption on this section, although today's one is the most severe :o . Dewirement in the Hayes & Harlington area.

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Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 40 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 15/04.
Last Updated:15/04/2018 13:30


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 16, 2018, 11:16:10
In yesterday's case, the lines reopened quickly, so it turned out the issue was not serious and therefore there wasn't much disruption.

Then this happens today:
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Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines towards Reading are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:30 16/04.
Last Updated:16/04/2018 10:59


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on April 16, 2018, 15:11:49
Glad I'm not commuting any more!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 16, 2018, 20:04:59
Delays to services between Slough and Twyford
Due to a points failure between Slough and Twyford some lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00 16/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 17, 2018, 06:36:33
Due to urgent repairs to the track between Reading and Slough some lines towards Slough are closed.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:30 17/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: sanfrandragon on April 17, 2018, 07:00:20
Urgent engineering + problems with overhead lines


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 17, 2018, 07:07:05
Just back from Twyford station and didn't seem to be any trains running at the moment and no idea of when they'd restart.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on April 17, 2018, 07:11:52
Maidenhead have managed to run one train out of 10. It’s magical.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 17, 2018, 07:22:05
The webpage is saying minor disruption with slight delays which didn't seem to be the case at a very crowded Twyford station.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 17, 2018, 07:33:04
From Twitter




 Sorry for the disruption this morning. There have been several problems, delays at the depot, urgent track repairs taking place and overhead line problems. Lewis


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on April 17, 2018, 07:40:06
It took 8 minutes to wedge the entire content of Slough on to the delayed 6.32 which was already cosy.

Maybe I’ll mention this at the next Meet the Manager session. Oh no, I can’t, they don’t exist.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 17, 2018, 10:34:14
Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and London Paddington


Due to failure of the electricity supply between Maidenhead and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:15 17/04.
Customer Advice
The power to overhead electric lines has been lost between Paddington and Maidenhead. Customers may use available TfL bus and underground services where possible.



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: nickswift99 on April 17, 2018, 10:38:56
2P11 (0547 Didcot-Paddington) ground to a halt on the Up Main just outside Twyford this morning causing a queue of trains back past Reading. It was there in the first place because the Up Relief was closed (?track defect). This pretty much finished off the morning peak service which doesn't seem to have recovered.

Looking forward to the journey home  ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on April 17, 2018, 11:21:22
I gave up and went home and sounds like that was the right decision. Feel really sorry for people who don't have that option though from their employers.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: nickswift99 on April 17, 2018, 13:24:23
And now this from JourneyCheck

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Following an object being caught on the overhead electric wires between Reading and London Paddington some lines are now open.
Train services running to and from these stations will be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 17/04.

Plastic sheeting has become caught in overhead cables in the Slough area. Technicians need to retrieve this, but until this can be take place (at approximately 13:00), stopping trains to/from Paddington will have to run at reduced speed.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on April 18, 2018, 14:21:32
Quote
Cancellations to services at Didcot Parkway

Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 18/04.

Last Updated:18/04/2018 14:06

As always, hard to gauge the impact but the 13:22 Paddington to Great Malvern has lost 15 minutes between Cholsey and the Moreton Cutting.

[edit] - disruption now expected until 17:00


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 18, 2018, 15:43:08
This has now been updated to read:

Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 18/04.
Customer Advice:
Road transport is being procured but due to school runs only a limited service is running.
Some trains running from Oxford to Reading will call at intermediate stations excluding Didcot Parkway. Customers travelling to Didcot from Oxford should circulate via Reading, or use what available Road Transport is in operation.
Additional Information:
GWR tickets are being accepted between London Marylebone and Banbury/Oxford with Chiltern Railways, London Underground between Paddington and Marylebone, and with CrossCountry between Reading and Banbury.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ray951 on April 18, 2018, 16:51:05
This has now been updated to read:

Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 18/04.
Customer Advice:
Road transport is being procured but due to school runs only a limited service is running.
Some trains running from Oxford to Reading will call at intermediate stations excluding Didcot Parkway. Customers travelling to Didcot from Oxford should circulate via Reading, or use what available Road Transport is in operation.
Additional Information:
GWR tickets are being accepted between London Marylebone and Banbury/Oxford with Chiltern Railways, London Underground between Paddington and Marylebone, and with CrossCountry between Reading and Banbury.

I was travelling from Oxford to Didcot and circulated via Reading; this wasn't a good idea as once I got to Reading there were no trains to Didcot and of course there is no other public transport from Reading to Didcot.
When I got to Reading the stopping services were cancelled and the first fast service diverted via Newbury, the 2nd they refused to stop at Didcot although it was stopping at Swindon. I caught the 3rd service which was a fast to Oxford which was changed to a slow to Oxford and was of course a crowded 166 with 'air conditioning' ie hot day so not working. It took me 2 hours to get from Oxford to Didcot in the end, they should have advised passengers to catch the bus to Didcot and I wish I had done that.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 18, 2018, 22:00:22
This has now been updated to read:

Due to a fault with the signalling system at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:00 18/04.
Customer Advice:
Road transport is being procured but due to school runs only a limited service is running.
Some trains running from Oxford to Reading will call at intermediate stations excluding Didcot Parkway. Customers travelling to Didcot from Oxford should circulate via Reading, or use what available Road Transport is in operation.
Additional Information:
GWR tickets are being accepted between London Marylebone and Banbury/Oxford with Chiltern Railways, London Underground between Paddington and Marylebone, and with CrossCountry between Reading and Banbury.

I was travelling from Oxford to Didcot and circulated via Reading; this wasn't a good idea as once I got to Reading there were no trains to Didcot and of course there is no other public transport from Reading to Didcot.
When I got to Reading the stopping services were cancelled and the first fast service diverted via Newbury, the 2nd they refused to stop at Didcot although it was stopping at Swindon. I caught the 3rd service which was a fast to Oxford which was changed to a slow to Oxford and was of course a crowded 166 with 'air conditioning' ie hot day so not working. It took me 2 hours to get from Oxford to Didcot in the end, they should have advised passengers to catch the bus to Didcot and I wish I had done that.

And that example is why I hate certain stations automatically being missed during loss of some lines between Paddington and Didcot Parkway. Always delay the local passengers by 30+ minutes just so their precious fast long distance trains are not delayed by even a single digit number of minutes, rather than trying to keep all the passengers moving in some way.

I was quite lucky back in January (the last time I was caught up in GWML disruption), as it was only a 30-40 minute delay for me. The usual 6tph at Southall had gone down to 2tph (as Heathrow Connect and GWR Hayes & Harlington shorts were cancelled). Then one of the trains actually running skipped the station at 7 minutes late with no warning at all, just to prevent delaying a Heathrow Express train >:( . The following train was on time and luckily it actually stopped on the Up Main, with a really good TfL Rail station staff member managing to convince the driver to wait for everyone to get over the footbridge. I'm lucky I can easily take a different route in disruption, and really feel for everyone who has to wait an unknown amount of time because their station is not considered important enough (including a station with over 2.5 million passengers per year in my case...)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: lordgoata on April 18, 2018, 22:32:53
I caught the 3rd service which was a fast to Oxford which was changed to a slow to Oxford and was of course a crowded 166 with 'air conditioning' ie hot day so not working. It took me 2 hours to get from Oxford to Didcot in the end, they should have advised passengers to catch the bus to Didcot and I wish I had done that.

You were on the same one as me then - I came back from Bury St Edmunds and everything was perfect, on time, working aircon, no issues at all. Then got to Reading and they suddenly changed to Not In Service (no announcements) - couple of us got off and found the driver and he had no idea what was going on, just been told to go to the depot.

I went and stood at the staff display watching one train after another queuing up at the signals on the main and relief lines towards Didcot. From the recent post about headcodes on here, I could tell they were all the highspeed services as they were all 1XXX, I think there was a 5XXX and a 6XXX (freight)?

So yet again the high speed services (which couldn't go anywhere) were given priority at the expense of the locals (who would have been stopping anyway) who all got dumped in the depot.

Then comes the announcement for all local station passengers to make their way from platform 12 to platform 8/9 where there was a cross country to Manchester (I think) sitting there going no where, then all of a sudden another announcement for us all to run back to platform 12.

Eventually did the last 15 minutes of my 4 hour trip in 90 minutes. Welcome home.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 19, 2018, 07:43:03
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Didcot Parkway.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 19/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on April 19, 2018, 10:20:31
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Didcot Parkway.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 19/04.

Disruption now expected until 13:00

plus

Quote
Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 19/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ray951 on April 19, 2018, 11:28:01
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on the line towards Didcot Parkway.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 19/04.

Disruption now expected until 13:00

plus

Quote
Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford


Due to a fault with the signalling system between Didcot Parkway and Oxford fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 19/04.

This looks worse than yesterday as the following services  from Oxford to Didcot Parkway have been cancelled:

0937, 1005, 1037, 1107 and 1137 so assuming the 1207 runs then that is no service for 3 hours.

Nothing on gwr.com or twitter about what passengers should do?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on April 19, 2018, 13:45:58
Disruption between Didcot and Oxford now expected until 14:30 but seems to be extended by an hour every hour.

The problems between Reading and Didcot are back:

Quote
Cancellations to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Didcot Parkway:

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:00 19/04.

And now, because it's a warm day:

Quote
Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington

Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures between Slough and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 19/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on April 19, 2018, 14:08:19
Normal working resumed at 13:46 so after reactionary delays are recovered all should be fine shortly - certainly well in time for the afternoon peak.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 19, 2018, 19:58:22
Yet more issues ::) >:(

Quote
Delays to services between Slough and London Paddington
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 22:00 19/04.
Last Updated:19/04/2018 19:25

Delays to services between Dorking Deepdene and Redhill
Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing between Dorking Deepdene and Redhill trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:30 19/04.
Last Updated:19/04/2018 19:25


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 20, 2018, 07:31:51
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Cancellations to services between Reading and Guildford
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Guildford all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 20/04.
Last Updated:20/04/2018 06:54


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 20, 2018, 09:27:43
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Maidenhead trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:15 20/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on April 20, 2018, 11:27:57
This whole thread goes to show that  a reliable railway would lead to a punctual railway.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 20, 2018, 11:50:31
Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing between Didcot Parkway and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:30 20/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ellendune on April 20, 2018, 13:38:09
Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing between Didcot Parkway and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:30 20/04.

That would be at Steventon then!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 20, 2018, 14:13:19
Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures at Hayes & Harlington some lines towards London Paddington are disrupted.
Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 20/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 20, 2018, 16:03:35
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 17:30 20/04.
Impact:
Train services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington.

[ Plus all of the earlier above ]


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on April 20, 2018, 16:32:07
I find the speed restrictions due to high temperatures to be rather worrying. Whilst temperatures are exceptional for April, they are very normal for June and July.
So are speed restrictions going to become the norm during the summer ?

I can see the need for such restrictions in truly exceptional heatwaves, but surely infrastructure should work correctly during normal June and July weather ? even if such weather arrives in April.



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 20, 2018, 16:35:20
I find the speed restrictions due to high temperatures to be rather worrying. Whilst temperatures are exceptional for April, they are very normal for June and July.
So are speed restrictions going to become the norm during the summer ?

I can see the need for such restrictions in truly exceptional heatwaves, but surely infrastructure should work correctly during normal June and July weather ? even if such weather arrives in April.



Same every year isn't it? (albeit a bit earlier this year)

There seems to be so little resilience within any aspect of the railway, it's incredibly fragile, be it infrastructure, trains or personnel.



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ellendune on April 20, 2018, 17:12:19
I find the speed restrictions due to high temperatures to be rather worrying. Whilst temperatures are exceptional for April, they are very normal for June and July.
So are speed restrictions going to become the norm during the summer ?

I can see the need for such restrictions in truly exceptional heatwaves, but surely infrastructure should work correctly during normal June and July weather ? even if such weather arrives in April.

Has there been a lot of track work there?  If so have they not destressed* the rail yet thinking they were ok for a few more weeks?

*This is the process by which the rail is tensioned so that it has not stress in it at a certain temperature (I have forgotten what temperature) and is in tension when it is cold, so that the compressive stress when it gets really hot is not too much to buckle the track.
 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on April 21, 2018, 10:01:33
This is the process by which the rail is tensioned so that it has not stress in it at a certain temperature (I have forgotten what temperature) and is in tension when it is cold, so that the compressive stress when it gets really hot is not too much to buckle the track.

27°C


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on April 24, 2018, 10:43:00
Has there been a lot of track work there?  If so have they not destressed* the rail yet thinking they were ok for a few more weeks?

*This is the process by which the rail is tensioned so that it has not stress in it at a certain temperature (I have forgotten what temperature) and is in tension when it is cold, so that the compressive stress when it gets really hot is not too much to buckle the track.

This I reckon is exactly it. Probably programmed to take place before the 'summer' starts. They were almost record temperatures for April.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 25, 2018, 08:25:11
Alterations to services between Maidenhead and Slough


Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 25/04.

Customer Advice

Trains from the Reading direction, travelling towards London Paddington, are unable to call at Taplow or Burnham. Customers travelling from these stations towards Slough & London are advised to catch a train service to Maidenhead and change there, where train services towards Slough (and beyond) are available. Customers travelling to Taplow or Burnham from Maidenhead, or stations West thereof will need to travel through to Slough and then back by a Reading bound train service from there.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on April 26, 2018, 10:30:24
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Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 11:00 26/04.
Customer Advice
London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
London Buses are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Slough in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
Last Updated:26/04/2018 10:16


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on April 26, 2018, 12:18:11
Crawled through Southall on an up IET at around 1045, looked like down trains were crawling also.

Still arrived on-time at PAD, 30 mins from Reading including a scheduled Slough stop.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 26, 2018, 13:15:20
Looks like an intra-day fix is in progress:

Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington some lines towards Slough are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled, delayed or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 15:00 26/04.
Customer Advice:
Selected GWR services will serve Hanwell and West Ealing.
London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers between Hayes & Harlington and Heathrow Terminal 5 in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
London Buses are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Slough in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on April 26, 2018, 13:49:16
Some now reopened already


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on April 26, 2018, 18:25:12
Not sure what happened exactly but by the time I was at Paddington at 4.30pm there were delays and a total lack of information (no surprise there then!)... They announced that the 4.49 PAD to MAI was delayed as it was late from the depot on it's inward journey.. This was in fact made up as it left Reading traincare depot early... sigh...  ::) :P


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on April 26, 2018, 19:44:54
Many twitter complaints that a Henley connection was missed off that train


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on April 26, 2018, 19:49:42
It arrived at Maidenhead 25 minutes late (not bad for a 20 minute journey) so I'm not surprised!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Adelante_CCT on April 26, 2018, 21:00:07
Many twitter complaints that a Henley connection was missed off that train

Considering it arrived Twyford 28 late, with the next shuttle scheduled for just 8 minutes later*, I really don't see why the connection off the 16:49 would be held or the need to complain about it.

* Departed 6 minutes later than planned to maintain connection off the 17:18 off Pad


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2018, 03:27:58
Many twitter complaints that a Henley connection was missed off that train

Considering it arrived Twyford 28 late, with the next shuttle scheduled for just 8 minutes later*, I really don't see why the connection off the 16:49 would be held or the need to complain about it.

* Departed 6 minutes later than planned to maintain connection off the 17:18 off Pad

It does illustrate, though, how a railway industry measured "maximum 28 minutes late" can result in a passenger delay of (considerably) more - in this case a 36 minute late arrival for passengers at their destination.

I can find you examples that are much worse - such as 10 minutes delay turning into 2 hours late, though not in the Thames Valley where train frequency leads to less of a knock-on, but for people who are (perhaps) more noticed by the powers that be.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: nickswift99 on April 27, 2018, 09:54:34
There's been lots of TV examples that I've been caught up in.

Delays from Paddington mean missing the Reading - Didcot stopper. Then you find the next one is cancelled or will run fast to Didcot. This injects a 1 hour delay into a 1 hour journey.

Even in the peak it's not uncommon to be 45 minutes late where services are running just a little late.

Late evening is even worse where if the order of trains is swapped by the signaller you end up with an hours wait at Reading (gotta love the footbridge).


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on April 27, 2018, 10:04:55
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:45 27/04.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 27, 2018, 10:53:31
Now pushed out to 1145.

Nothing stopping London bound at West Drayton or Hayes & Harlington.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 01, 2018, 07:41:03
Delays to services at London Paddington


Due to a points failure at London Paddington:
Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 01/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on May 01, 2018, 08:20:14
Delays to services at London Paddington


Due to a points failure at London Paddington:
Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:00 01/05.

Delays & disruption timings now extended:

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Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 09:30 01/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on May 02, 2018, 08:50:28
Extensive delays and cancellations in the Thames Valley this morning due to trespassers at Didcot.  Ironically the 07.10 Maidenhead to Paddington (which was one of the few that ran) arrived with blood smeared all over the front of it.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: jmc85 on May 02, 2018, 09:11:43
I was on the 0605 from Charlbury, got delayed at Oxford - the guard said someone had climbed a signalling gantry in an apparent suicide attempt (just beyond Oxford). Believe all was resolved without injury and I made it to Paddington with a 15 minute delay


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 02, 2018, 11:41:10
Extensive delays and cancellations in the Thames Valley this morning due to trespassers at Didcot.  Ironically the 07.10 Maidenhead to Paddington (which was one of the few that ran) arrived with blood smeared all over the front of it.

I saw that at Twyford this morning. Was quite disturbing. I wondered if it had been a bird strike?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 02, 2018, 11:49:29
Almost certainly.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 03, 2018, 17:47:34
Harry's stag night started already?


Cancellations to services at Windsor & Eton Central


Due to overcrowding at Windsor & Eton Central all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 18:00 03/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 04, 2018, 17:25:31
...........on the Friday before a bank holiday weekend.........Lord Have Mercy!

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough


Due to trespassers on the railway between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 04/05. :(


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on May 04, 2018, 17:47:59
Perhaps it's Harry's stag-party returning from Windsor...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on May 05, 2018, 22:37:57
...........on the Friday before a bank holiday weekend.........Lord Have Mercy!

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough


Due to trespassers on the railway between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 04/05. :(
I got caught up in that yesterday. I could have easily gone another way but decided to take a chance because "surely it can't be that bad?" ::) . There turned out to be a 34 minute gap in departure for stopping services: After the 2R59 1742 London Paddington to Reading left at 1745, the next one to leave was the 2T62 1803 London Paddington to Heathrow Airport at 1819! I got to the station at 1805 and the 2R60 1759 London Paddington to Reading (which is a 5-car 165 remember) was still there, with no driver for it! Just as I got to P14 for 2R60 the unit for 2T62 arrived in P11, and luckily for me it stopped right at the country end of the platform by the footbridge as the rest of the platform was occupied by an 8-car 387 from an earlier cancelled service. So I easily got a seat ;D but those waiting at the main concourse had to walk far. 2R60 left right after it at 1821.

That combined with the first bus home from the station at Southall being too full meant that it took a few minutes longer to go home this way than my preferred option of using SWR from Waterloo to Hounslow, when usually that route takes some 15-30 minutes longer but is way more reliable. And I was in time for the only fast train of the day in this direction, which takes 25 minutes instead of the usual 38-43 minutes. So my attempt to save time actually took longer in the end :( :P


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 08, 2018, 07:50:51
Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington


Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Further Information
A speed restriction has been imposed in the Slough area on the Main Line towards London Paddington following the high temperature recorded in the rails at that location yesterday. This is the line which is traversed by the fast / semi fast services between Reading and London Paddington. As a result fewer trains will be able to operate over that section of line and certain services which would normally call at Slough will have that stop withdrawn.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 09, 2018, 06:38:09
Same again today........it's 9 degrees outside.

Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
Due to a speed restriction between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Further Information
A speed restriction has been imposed in the Slough area on the Main Line towards London Paddington following the high temperature recorded in the rails at that location on Monday.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 09, 2018, 07:10:30
Same again today........it's 9 degrees outside.

Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington
Due to a speed restriction between Reading and London Paddington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Further Information
A speed restriction has been imposed in the Slough area on the Main Line towards London Paddington following the high temperature recorded in the rails at that location on Monday.

It’s a newly laid section of track which was done over the weekend. Originally it was planned to be a 50mph temporary speed restriction. Because of the high temperatures when the work was done the speed has been lowered to 20mph


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on May 09, 2018, 08:07:36
How long would such a restriction be expected to last? Is it days or weeks?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 09, 2018, 08:28:19
How long would such a restriction be expected to last? Is it days or weeks?

Probably a few days at 20mph, then it’ll probably be raised to something like 50mph.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 05:55:28

Welcome to the new week!

Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 14/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on May 14, 2018, 06:12:16

Welcome to the new week!

Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 14/05.

Hattrick weekend

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Alterations to services between Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Bristol Parkway and Bristol Temple Meads some lines are closed.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 14/05.

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Alterations to services between Weymouth and Dorchester West
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Weymouth and Dorchester West all lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

And a 4 day Newbury blockade starts today... Pewsey, Bedwyn, Hungerford, Newbury, Thatcham and intermediate stations have no trains until Friday morning, and TransWilts trains slashed - less that 40% of scheduled services set to run.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on May 14, 2018, 06:36:50

Welcome to the new week!

Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 14/05.

SNAP, so too between Parkway and Temple Meads already caused cancellation of early services to London, stock running to Swindon and starting from there and now Weston Services to London starting at Temple Meads now engineering works cleared, lets hope there are no engineering works trolleys left on the line today.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 14, 2018, 06:40:15
Looks like pretty much all the fast trains from Maidenhead to Paddington are cancelled.. This isn't going to be pretty


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 14, 2018, 07:12:06
Boarding a Paddington bound train at Reading was unpleasant. There were plenty who couldn't get on and the next Paddington service is cancelled.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 09:20:25
Looks like pretty much all the fast trains from Maidenhead to Paddington are cancelled.. This isn't going to be pretty

Wasn't nice was it? Apparently Reading was pretty horrific too  >:(


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CJB666 on May 14, 2018, 12:56:35
And no HConn to / from Heathrow. Go by 140 bus from Hayes is the option. Huh - got to get to Hayes first though. Haven't seen any HEX running either. The Airport Branch seems to be well closed today.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 14, 2018, 13:53:38
HEx running twice per hour instead of four times per hour.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 14, 2018, 14:46:11
All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 14, 2018, 15:22:00
Looks like pretty much all the fast trains from Maidenhead to Paddington are cancelled.. This isn't going to be pretty

Wasn't nice was it? Apparently Reading was pretty horrific too  >:(


Nope. I got the 7.56am departure in the end.. We left people behind at Hayes and Southall.. We spent a good 5 minutes sat outside Ealing Broadway which wasn't ideal in the conditions.. The train took an hour and four minutes which is impressive for 25 odd miles even by GWRs standard..

I can't wait for my journey home


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 14, 2018, 15:33:48

All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.

Hand back now delayed further with no ETA.  Magnificent work from the railway industry again.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 16:51:17

All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.

Hand back now delayed further with no ETA.  Magnificent work from the railway industry again.

"Disruption" now expected till 2000.....yep, a miserable evening rush hour too.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on May 14, 2018, 18:07:21
What exactly has overrun and caused these problems? Should I read anything in to the fact that Paddington this evening only contains High Speed Train's (HST)s and Turbos?  Another misplaced carrier bag by a contractor per chance?

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on May 14, 2018, 18:17:08

All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.

Hand back now delayed further with no ETA.  Magnificent work from the railway industry again.

"Disruption" now expected till 2000.....yep, a miserable evening rush hour too.

Now 05:00 tomorrow morning. What odds another disrupted morning rush hour?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 14, 2018, 18:33:56
So far as I can tell every fast service to Maidenhead and Twyford was cancelled. Got a load of texts about 4.30 saying that various trains after 5.30 were cancelled so rushed out the office only get to Paddington to discover earlier services now cancelled. Still its all fine now according to the website although a very angry girlfriend at Paddington seems to diagree.

More wonderful incident management and comms from our favourite train company.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 18:44:34
So far as I can tell every fast service to Maidenhead and Twyford was cancelled. Got a load of texts about 4.30 saying that various trains after 5.30 were cancelled so rushed out the office only get to Paddington to discover earlier services now cancelled. Still its all fine now according to the website although a very angry girlfriend at Paddington seems to diagree.

More wonderful incident management and comms from our favourite train company.

.......would that train company be the Rail Business of the year by any chance? 🤔


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 14, 2018, 20:46:47

All lines expected to be reopened by 3pm though displaced trains and crew will probably result in another miserable commute home for some.

Hand back now delayed further with no ETA.  Magnificent work from the railway industry again.

"Disruption" now expected till 2000.....yep, a miserable evening rush hour too.

Now 05:00 tomorrow morning. What odds another disrupted morning rush hour?

There’s also now a cracked rail in the Maidenhead area. A 20mph emergency speed imposed on London bound services travelling on the up main..... to be rectified overnight..... hopefully

The overrun at Paddington was reportedly caused by “sickness and a lack of familiarity“. Looks like the planned works were late starting.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 14, 2018, 21:53:49
Four journeys today, two local, two HST. All full and standing in first and standard , three were shortfomed. Both local services were 2 not 3. One HST was 5 not 10. Generally unpleasant.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 14, 2018, 23:13:00
Maybe Mr Hopwood will be at Paddington tomorrow morning, greeting customers with a cheery smile, handshake & donut as they arrive an hour late, sweaty & crushed?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on May 15, 2018, 00:32:37
Last update 2143 with no change to timescales. Will the 0500 reopening be met in the morning? :-\ In any case my brother isn't taking chances and will be travelling from Hounslow to Reading tomorrow morning instead of from Southall for his university exam. The first time in the academic year he is having to go that way, and doing so doubles the journey time (both the train and having to get to Hounslow Station in the first place). My mum also happens to have an appointment at St Mary's Hospital at 0850, so I really hope things are fine in the morning (leaving extra early just in case because of the disruption and also due to a local road closure in Southall causing extra traffic). She's not a confident traveller as she rarely uses public transport of any sort, let alone the mess known as GWR and the GWML. As for me? My plan was to use SWR from Hounslow to Waterloo anyway as I am lucky to have that alternative route without incurring that much of a time penalty, and gives the bonus of avoiding the Bakerloo Line ;D

The line block itself seems to be east of Ealing Broadway, so why are GWR stating Hayes & Harlington? Although that's nothing new as they've been doing it for the last year or so now. All day they didn't update the vague message, not even a hint of being open about what went wrong. And there was no apology from either them or Network Rail on their website or on Twitter. Just shows what a disgusting state of affairs we have on the GWML >:(

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Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 05:00 15/05.
Customer Advice
Owing to engineering work not being finished on time some of the lines between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington station are not available for use which will require a significant number of train service alterations.
Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
London Buses route 140: Hayes & Harlington - Heathrow (Central Bus Station) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
Last Updated:14/05/2018 21:43


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 15, 2018, 05:21:53

The line block itself seems to be east of Ealing Broadway, so why are GWR stating Hayes & Harlington? Although that's nothing new as they've been doing it for the last year or so now. All day they didn't update the vague message, not even a hint of being open about what went wrong. And there was no apology from either them or Network Rail on their website or on Twitter. Just shows what a disgusting state of affairs we have on the GWML >:(


The initial engineering possession was from Ladbroke Grove to Southall East junction

All lines appear to be open this morning into Paddington. 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 15, 2018, 10:18:41
A speed restriction over defective track in the Acton Main Line area is causing delays to services to and from London Paddington. As a result of this, trains may be delayed by up to 20 minutes.

This is expected to continue until approximately 11:00.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on May 15, 2018, 10:19:50
Even later than that now

Quote
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 15/05.
Last Updated:15/05/2018 10:12


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 10:53:25
Tinpot railway.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on May 15, 2018, 11:17:03
Even later than that now

Quote
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 15/05.
Last Updated:15/05/2018 10:12

And later still now:

Quote
Disruption is expected until 13:00 15/05

And guess what:

Quote
Disruption is expected until 15:00 15/05


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CJB666 on May 15, 2018, 13:47:56
Tinpot railway.

No - its the "Tin Lizzie Line" - a figment of the imagination. All they have to do is paint the Yellow-brick Road on the sleepers and the illusion will be complete. Like the new TfL tickets machines that can't actually issue tickets. And they call all of that an improvement!!

BTW heard a great moan this a.m. at Hayes & Harlington. There were a bevy of MTR / Crassrail staff at platform 4 checking tickets. One was moaning that yesterday he'd driven into Station Parade to turn round and been photographed for a trespass fine by the High Point Village security 'goons.'


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: nickswift99 on May 15, 2018, 14:42:54
Even later than that now

Quote
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 15/05.
Last Updated:15/05/2018 10:12

And later still now:

Quote
Disruption is expected until 13:00 15/05

And guess what:

Quote
Disruption is expected until 15:00 15/05

The Oxford semi-fasts are shown as cancelled through to 2050, as well as many of this week's fast Theale services. Combined with the level crossing incident causing the cancellation of some of the longer distance services, it's going to be another nightmare at Paddington for the peak return.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 15, 2018, 14:49:12
The cynic in me can't help thinking they managed to do a bodge job on the tracks yesterday so they could claim that the overrunning engineering works had finally finished knowing full well that they'd then need to do some "urgent track repairs" today once morning peak was over.... ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 15, 2018, 15:13:52
Indeed  >:(

Disruption to and from London Paddington expected until 20:00

A speed restriction over defective track in the Acton Main Line area is causing delays to services to and from London Paddington. As a result of this, trains may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or cancelled.

Heathrow Connect is currently suspended.

This is expected to continue until the end of the day.

Additional information:
Network Rail staff are currently investigating the problem, which means some lines are currently closed. Congestion is likely to build up as a result of this.


Edit: Now until end of day


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: lordgoata on May 15, 2018, 15:14:35
I don't know how they can have all these problems now. On Paddington 24/7 last night, they had great delight in flying around in their track inspection helicopter with their super-duper high-power camera so that all these infrastructure problems can be caught in advance.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 15, 2018, 15:22:02
To be fair they were at Paddington last night filming the great rush of people when a train was announced in all the mayhem.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 15:37:14
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Train services in out and of Paddington will suffer delays for the rest of the day due to the necessity of carrying-out repairs to a heat-buckled rail. Two out of four railway lines are available for use. All stations are being served by train, with the exception of Acton Main Line. Customers travellling to and from this TfL station are requested to use alternative TfL services.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 15, 2018, 15:56:54
Looks like tonight's commute home is going to be as fun as yesterday's.. I feel so lucky


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 15, 2018, 16:18:22
Due to a points failure between Reading and Basingstoke the line is closed.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:15 15/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 16:49:42
Delays to services between Reading and Theale


Due to a points failure between Reading and Theale the line is blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:15 15/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 17:23:04
Just to add to the joy, according to the GWR twitter feed there is no ticket acceptance in place with Chiltern or South West, so the Waterloo Reading/Windsor fallback isn't an option, or Chiltern to Oxford?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on May 15, 2018, 17:23:32
It wont be that bad, because according to the GWR website there are only "minor disruptions".


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on May 15, 2018, 17:27:41
Just to add to the joy, according to the GWR twitter feed there is no ticket acceptance in place with Chiltern or South West, so the Waterloo Reading/Windsor fallback isn't an option, or Chiltern to Oxford?

One could see the temptation to go via Chiltern or South West, and claim that one had been told this was OK.
In your particular case though I would not try this after posting on a public forum.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 15, 2018, 17:31:56
It wont be that bad, because according to the GWR website there are only "minor disruptions".


If 60 minutes is minor lets hope we don't have major disruptions ever then  ::) ;D ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 15, 2018, 18:29:49
I got a whole load of notifications about cancellations just before 16.30 again. All the Twyford and Maidenhead fast services gone. Was there a go/no go meeting just after 16.00 or did GWR just not bother telling anyone until just before the rush hour? Even if they're getting late notification from Network Rail I think most companies would have a plan or maybe managed passenger expectations throughout the day?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 18:38:01
I got a whole load of notifications about cancellations just before 16.30 again. All the Twyford and Maidenhead fast services gone. Was there a go/no go meeting just after 16.00 or did GWR just not bother telling anyone until just before the rush hour? Even if they're getting late notification from Network Rail I think most companies would have a plan or maybe managed passenger expectations throughout the day?

Those fast services were cancelled long before 1630, certainly the 1749 & 1819 were gone before 1530.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 15, 2018, 18:48:25
I got a whole load of notifications about cancellations just before 16.30 again. All the Twyford and Maidenhead fast services gone. Was there a go/no go meeting just after 16.00 or did GWR just not bother telling anyone until just before the rush hour? Even if they're getting late notification from Network Rail I think most companies would have a plan or maybe managed passenger expectations throughout the day?

Those fast services were cancelled long before 1630, certainly the 1749 & 1819 were gone before 1530.

Well that ruins that theory then  :)  Guess i've just been unlucky with the alerts.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Birdie100 on May 15, 2018, 19:18:21
The 18.59 driver this evening was particularly witty in his announcement outside Acton, inviting any passengers with an engineering or operations background to submit a CV to ‘runtherailwayproperly.com’! When staff morale is that low it says a lot! On the other hand, the humour makes the inevitable delay a smidge better...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 19:35:34
Just to add to the joy, according to the GWR twitter feed there is no ticket acceptance in place with Chiltern or South West, so the Waterloo Reading/Windsor fallback isn't an option, or Chiltern to Oxford?

One could see the temptation to go via Chiltern or South West, and claim that one had been told this was OK.
In your particular case though I would not try this after posting on a public forum.

Quote from GWR is that there is no acceptance via Waterloo/Marylebone  because "although there are cancellations there are still services running" (out of Paddington) - seems to suggest a change in policy during times of mass disruption?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on May 15, 2018, 20:31:26
The 18.59 driver this evening was particularly witty in his announcement outside Acton, inviting any passengers with an engineering or operations background to submit a CV to ‘runtherailwayproperly.com’! When staff morale is that low it says a lot! On the other hand, the humour makes the inevitable delay a smidge better...
I’m sure that driver is one of many who feels that way.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: mjones on May 15, 2018, 21:21:49
Just to add to the joy, according to the GWR twitter feed there is no ticket acceptance in place with Chiltern or South West, so the Waterloo Reading/Windsor fallback isn't an option, or Chiltern to Oxford?

One could see the temptation to go via Chiltern or South West, and claim that one had been told this was OK.
In your particular case though I would not try this after posting on a public forum.

Quote from GWR is that there is no acceptance via Waterloo/Marylebone  because "although there are cancellations there are still services running" (out of Paddington) - seems to suggest a change in policy during times of mass disruption?

But aren't a lot of tickets already valid via Waterloo and Reading? I've travelled back to Didcot that way without difficulty more than once, using a Travel card. I actually checked the online Routing Guide, and it looked valid,  as far as I could understand it anyway!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: didcotdean on May 15, 2018, 21:53:39
Maybe SWR and Chiltern don't want to attempt to deal with hoards of diverted people seemingly every day unless there really isn't a going alternative. A number of the Chiltern services to Oxford were short of a carriage today as well.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 15, 2018, 22:20:38
The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ellendune on May 15, 2018, 22:27:07
The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.

Shouldn't have buckled in these temperatures - unless it was a lot hotter there.  Is this because the rail had not been destressed after engineering works?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2018, 22:29:52
The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.

Really? What is classified as "high temperatures?" It's been pleasantly warm over the last few days but barely into the 20s. Is this just the usual lack of resilience? God knows what it'll be like in "flaming" June/July if it really gets hot.....presumably the whole system will just liquify?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 15, 2018, 22:40:09
The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.

Really? What is classified as "high temperatures?" It's been pleasantly warm over the last few days but barely into the 20s. Is this just the usual lack of resilience? God knows what it'll be like in "flaming" June/July if it really gets hot.....presumably the whole system will just liquify?

Air temperature and rail temperature are two different things. You can have air temperatures in the 20s but if the rail is in direct sunlight the temperature can reach well into the 30s.
Having read a bit more, the section of track already had a temporary speed restriction over it so it might not entirely be heat related.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 16, 2018, 05:46:53
The track fault in the Acton area was a buckled rail presumably as a result of high track temperatures should all be rectified by the start of service tomorrow..... should.

Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are blocked.

Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 16/05.

Emegency Engineering Overun by 3 hours. Line expected to be handed back at 09:00 on Wed 16th.

Well that was predictable.  Contingency plan 2 remains in place.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on May 16, 2018, 06:23:26
Now 10am.

Third day in a row for long suffering Thames Valley commuters.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: lordgoata on May 16, 2018, 06:42:29
Everything out of Didcot cancelled or delayed since I got here at 0620. What's the betting the first one not cancelled is the 2-car Banbury to Reading.....


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 16, 2018, 06:45:18
They might be best to just give up and declare a void week... Another horrible commute coming up.. Most Mai to pad services are cancelled again


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Birdie100 on May 16, 2018, 07:03:36
This morning the station dispatcher at maidenhead decided to encourage us all into the stopper at 6.59 from Furze Platt. Bit disappointed on checking the app to discover this won’t get in to Paddington until 7.45am but even the delayed 7.06am is due in by 7.35am.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 16, 2018, 07:09:45
Everything out of Didcot cancelled or delayed since I got here at 0620. What's the betting the first one not cancelled is the 2-car Banbury to Reading.....

Broken down train. Now Reading is congested due to poor service regulation as a result of that.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: chemphys on May 16, 2018, 07:58:14
There were about 20 - 30 orange jackets, mostly on the embankment, and 2 engineering trains by Acton Main Line when I went past at about 6:30 this morning. At least that's more than I've seen in the past 2 days.

Hoping they get it resolved today. I really don't need 3 consecutive days of cramped and sweaty journey home.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: lordgoata on May 16, 2018, 08:06:23
Everything out of Didcot cancelled or delayed since I got here at 0620. What's the betting the first one not cancelled is the 2-car Banbury to Reading.....

Broken down train. Now Reading is congested due to poor service regulation as a result of that.

Yep driver apologised on the 0628 when it eventually arrived at 0701 - he was blocked in so couldn't go anywhere.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 16, 2018, 09:04:05
1100 now.......


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: nickswift99 on May 16, 2018, 09:16:04
Journeycheck is showing the 1250 Paddington-Oxford service starting short at Reading, so 1100 isn't at all realistic.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: nickswift99 on May 16, 2018, 11:01:24
Up and Down main now open again at Acton


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 16, 2018, 11:07:57
This from my Twitter feed just a moment ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/996685264398487553/photo/1


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on May 16, 2018, 11:30:30
Up and Down main now open again at Acton

.... and clear of engineering trolleys.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on May 16, 2018, 14:16:47
This from my Twitter feed just a moment ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/996685264398487553/photo/1

Lot of angry season ticket holders in that Tweet. My partner is in the process of being made redundant so won't be renewing but can't claim anything. Its not a great system really.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on May 16, 2018, 14:37:50
This from my Twitter feed just a moment ago.
https://mobile.twitter.com/GWRHelp/status/996685264398487553/photo/1

Lot of angry season ticket holders in that Tweet. My partner is in the process of being made redundant so won't be renewing but can't claim anything. Its not a great system really.

Tell your partner to claim compensation and if / when it is refused send a letter before action and then a small claims court case claiming discrimination against a customer who did not renew / is not renewing season ticket.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on May 16, 2018, 16:41:08
I had the same problem when I retired in 2005 was due compensation for poor punctuality for my previous annual ticket. I claimed but didn't get anything. Should have followed it up.

Wonder how many millions TOCs have saved by not paying out when you don't renew?

I still very glad I'm not commuting although 2005 was bad, in hindsight it seems nowhere near as bad as currently.

Used to reckon over 5 late 2 out 10 journeys in the week usually coming home. Especially when you wanted to go out afterwards!

Now it seems you are lucky to get to and from Padd


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: nickswift99 on May 16, 2018, 19:08:05
Whatever was done today clearly wasn't sufficient. There's 5 Hayes/Reading stopping services late this evening cancelled due to "urgent repairs to the track".



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 16, 2018, 21:24:09
From journeycheck..

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to urgent repairs to the track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Two of the four lines between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway will be closed from 21:00hrs to enable Network Rail to fix a buckled rail.
Last Updated:16/05/2018 20:55


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on May 16, 2018, 21:55:47
Paddington/Ealing Broadway to Southall has a gap of… 1 HOUR 45 MINUTES this evening! :o :o >:( a station with over 2.5 million passengers per year! Now that the 2142 has left Paddington, the next train is at 2327. The 2203, 2227, 2233, 2303 and 2312 are all cancelled. The 2210 and 2259 from Paddington are running but they don't call at Southall normally and they will not stopping there additionally either. >:(

Even the three stations east of Reading with less than 300,000 passengers per year have a better service this evening Acton Main Line has the 2259. Iver has the 2210 and 2259 (2227 cancelled). While Taplow has buses from Slough due to engineering work. The other station with less than a million passengers per year is Langley and that has the same service level as Iver.

Edit: Screenshots of GWR JourneyCheck attached


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on May 17, 2018, 09:12:18
Interesting that the stations with the poorest service are all now run by TFL!



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 17, 2018, 09:16:59
Interesting that the stations with the poorest service are all now run by TFL!



I have to say, (and I know it's a tiddler!) but I think Taplow station has improved since TfL have taken over - the ticket machine works, the ticket office is invariably open during its advertised hours, and generally it seems to be tidier and better organised (and that is not a reflection on Ted, the previous incumbent who always did his best!)

Hey, we've now even got TWO temporary footbridges to choose from!  ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on May 17, 2018, 09:32:05
Hey, we've now even got TWO temporary footbridges to choose from!

Both high enough to go over overhead catenary too?   Please send one 100 miles west - I know someone who would like one of them  ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 17, 2018, 10:12:19
I would even give them a hand to put it up !😉


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 17, 2018, 10:55:51
I have to say, (and I know it's a tiddler!) but I think Taplow station has improved since TfL have taken over - the ticket machine works, the ticket office is invariably open during its advertised hours, and generally it seems to be tidier and better organised (and that is not a reflection on Ted, the previous incumbent who always did his best!)

Hey, we've now even got TWO temporary footbridges to choose from!  ;D

Quite a contrast to CJB666’s opinions of TfL.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CJB666 on May 17, 2018, 13:59:24
I have to say, (and I know it's a tiddler!) but I think Taplow station has improved since TfL have taken over - the ticket machine works, the ticket office is invariably open during its advertised hours, and generally it seems to be tidier and better organised (and that is not a reflection on Ted, the previous incumbent who always did his best!)

Hey, we've now even got TWO temporary footbridges to choose from!  ;D

Quite a contrast to CJB666’s opinions of TfL.

Taplow isn't a building site - Hayes has been and still is for years.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 17, 2018, 16:02:48
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Swindon trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Swindon.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 25 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:30 17/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 18, 2018, 06:35:21
Cancellations to services between Reading and Twyford
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Twyford fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 07:30 18/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 21, 2018, 10:29:14
Due to a fault with the signalling system at Southall fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 11:30 21/05.
Impact: Train services between Slough and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 10 minutes or running non stop.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 22, 2018, 06:36:39
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines towards Reading are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 22/05.
Customer Advice:
Due to overhead line damage between Slough and Maidenhead, trains are unable call at Taplow and Burnham on the line towards Reading. Customers travelling to Taplow and Burnham are advised to alight at Maidenhead and travel back. Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling to stations to Reading are advised to travel to Slough and travel back.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 08:14:33
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines towards Reading are blocked.
Impact:
 Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling to stations to Reading are advised to travel to Slough and travel back.

Since virtually every service in both directions is cancelled until (as I write this) the 0948, that's not really terribly helpful. Taxi for me, bill to GWR.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 22, 2018, 08:22:14
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines towards Reading are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 22/05.
Customer Advice:
Due to overhead line damage between Slough and Maidenhead, trains are unable call at Taplow and Burnham on the line towards Reading. Customers travelling to Taplow and Burnham are advised to alight at Maidenhead and travel back. Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling to stations to Reading are advised to travel to Slough and travel back.

Overhead line section has tripped and will not reset. Cause unknown.  An inspection team commenced walking the 4 mile section to try and locate the issue at 0700. Will take about 2 hours to walk it.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 08:30:38
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines towards Reading are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 22/05.
Customer Advice:
Due to overhead line damage between Slough and Maidenhead, trains are unable call at Taplow and Burnham on the line towards Reading. Customers travelling to Taplow and Burnham are advised to alight at Maidenhead and travel back. Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling to stations to Reading are advised to travel to Slough and travel back.

Overhead line section has tripped and will not reset. Cause unknown.  An inspection team commenced walking the 4 mile section to try and locate the issue at 0700. Will take about 2 hours to walk it.

Well, they've got a nice morning for it anyway.

Welcome to the brave new world of electrification!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 22, 2018, 08:56:29
I went down to the station at Maidenhead as usual earlier. I'm back home now. Very few trains were running and the two I saw leave in the half hour I was there were very crowded..I decided I didn't want to join in with the "fun" today.. There was also very little information..


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 08:57:42
Nothing stopping in either direction at Burnham or Taplow until after 1030 is the latest update.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on May 22, 2018, 09:20:15
Now 3pm. Not good.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 22, 2018, 09:40:59
Now 3pm. Not good.

Issue with an insulator. Quite a big job that is difficult to fix during the day as they need to get machinery out to the area which is hard when trains are still running.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: patch38 on May 22, 2018, 09:47:25
Issue with an insulator.

Well at least it'll still be under warranty...  ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 10:51:07
Now 3pm. Not good.

GWR help to a Burnham customer......"Network Rail expect to have it fixed by tomorrow".

Doesn't bode well for the rest of today.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on May 22, 2018, 11:19:38
Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 22, 2018, 11:28:52
Now 3pm. Not good.

My decision to not travel into London when I saw the chaos was a good one then! Could be a repeat performance this evening at this rate..


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 22, 2018, 11:30:17
End of the day now!

From Journeycheck:

Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines will be blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. All stations between Slough and Maidenhead will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 22, 2018, 11:34:21
End of the day now!

From Journeycheck:

Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines will be blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. All stations between Slough and Maidenhead will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

The relief lines are expected to close between 1130 and 1500.  The up main towards London will be blocked to electric traction only and will be running at reduced speed, basically signal to signal to protect engineers working.

Stopping services will run as 8-car electrics from Padd to Slough.
In the other direction, services will terminate at Maidenhead.
Buses ordered between Slough and Maidenhead


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on May 22, 2018, 13:51:58
The latest update on journey check making it very clear who is responsible:

Quote
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between Slough and Maidenhead some lines are closed.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. All stations between Slough and Maidenhead will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
Network Rail, who own the railway infrastructure, and are responsible for its upkeep, are currently fixing the damaged overhead cables in the Maidenhead area. As a consequence, the train service between Reading and Paddington is severely depleted, and has been reduced to a shuttle service between Reading and Maidenhead, and also between Slough and London Paddington. The stations between Slough and Maidenhead can only be served by local buses.
First Bus route 13: Slough (Bus Station Bay 12) Burnham (Station), First Bus route 4: Maidenhead (Town Centre Stop S2) - Taplow (Bath Rd) - Burnham (Everitts Corner) - Slough (Bus Station Bay 4) and London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys. TfL London Buses: are accepting tickets on any reasonable route between Slough and Central London.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 22, 2018, 14:05:38
Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OHLE failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OHLE failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

I would say this is the first ‘major’ incident of the newly electrified sections, so overall reliability has been good.  Had this sort of thing happened once a week since last summer I could sympathise with your views.

I doubt many folk in Germany and France will get to hear about this particular incident, so, as Stuving suggested a few months ago, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on May 22, 2018, 14:09:54
Network Rail confident of a 1500 hand back. There’s currently a scaffolding tower erected to enable repairs to the damaged insulator.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: M.T. Vessel on May 22, 2018, 15:03:03
And there was me thinking "There goes the neighbourhood" when I heard four what sounded like gunshots... When those things go they don't do it quietly. (Well, they might, but not last night)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on May 22, 2018, 15:10:00
Welcome to the forum M.T. Vessel Hopefully you'll find some useful information and advice on here


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 22, 2018, 15:16:41
Network Rail confident of a 1500 hand back. There’s currently a scaffolding tower erected to enable repairs to the damaged insulator.


Now 15:30 but workers and equipment are clear on the track.  Let's hope it all works ok when re-energised.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on May 22, 2018, 15:31:36
Normal working resumed at 15:24, though as ever displaced stock and crews will no doubt impact on the evening peak to some degree.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on May 22, 2018, 15:36:09
In connection with this incident I found this on the Nataional Rail Website.

Customers travelling to Taplow and Burnham, from the London direction, are advised to change at Reading and then catch local First Bus services onwards.

Customers at Taplow and Burnham travelling in either direction- towards Paddington OR Reading- are advised to use local First Bus services on which their rail tickets will be valid.

There are no First buses from Reading  to Maidenhead and Slough

There is the First No 4 every 30 minutes from Slough to Maidenhead along the A4. There are also other buses from Slough which go by Burnham station. It is a fair walk from Taplow to the bus stop outside Tescos and it's a dodge the traffic walk at  a Maidenhead.

Also the First No 4 is not to be confused with the Courtney Bus No 4 which shares the Frascati Way terminus.

They say  computerised Information Systems make it easier, They've forgotten GIGO. Roll on AI we'll all get jobs sorting out the mess.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 22, 2018, 16:24:04
Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OHLE failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OHLE failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

I would say this is the first ‘major’ incident of the newly electrified sections, so overall reliability has been good.  Had this sort of thing happened once a week since last summer I could sympathise with your views.

I doubt many folk in Germany and France will get to hear about this particular incident, so, as Stuving suggested a few months ago, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

That's probably a fair point (notwithstanding pigeons and plastic bags) but I think it illustrates that when something does go "pop" it has the potential to do so big time, and relying on a group of people going for a lengthy walk in order to find the source is a little concerning and brings resilience/robustness into question.

It also of course comes against a recent backdrop of fairly major disruption due "urgent repairs to the track", heat related damage in what could charitably be called pretty moderate temperatures, as well as the usual signalling issues on the infrastructure side, so the public are going to tend to be less forgiving, without even going near all the non infrastructure issues around brand new trains falling over and lack of crew etc.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Adelante_CCT on May 22, 2018, 18:28:24
With all the problems today, I'd assumed they were using these new rail replacement services, as seen outside Reading depot this evening

(https://preview.ibb.co/eEWD1T/WP_20180522_17_25_35_Pro.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ku2aFo)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Witham Bobby on May 23, 2018, 10:27:58
That must be a pretty dangerous coach, to be fenced off like that  ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on May 23, 2018, 11:08:06
That must be a pretty dangerous coach, to be fenced off like that  ;D

Perhaps it is a top secret hydrogen powered unit :)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 23, 2018, 16:24:31
Due to a safety inspection of the track at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading. Disruption is expected until 19:45 23/05.
Impact: Train services between London Paddington and Slough may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on May 23, 2018, 16:30:12
Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OHLE failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

I would say this is the first ‘major’ incident of the newly electrified sections, so overall reliability has been good.  Had this sort of thing happened once a week since last summer I could sympathise with your views.

I doubt many folk in Germany and France will get to hear about this particular incident, so, as Stuving suggested a few months ago, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

This particular failure, of a defective insulator may indeed be as rare you suggest. However OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) issues causing significant delays seem to occur most weeks.

Edit: VickiS- Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on May 23, 2018, 20:38:10
Whilst any reasonable passenger would understand that things break, and that disruption will occur in such circumstances, OHLE failures do seem to be unduly frequent and not resulting in the more reliable railway that is still being advertised.

As in other cases, I would ask "what happens overseas ?" I have no doubt that German and French railways have OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) failures, but I rather doubt that they are as frequent as in the UK.

I would say this is the first ‘major’ incident of the newly electrified sections, so overall reliability has been good.  Had this sort of thing happened once a week since last summer I could sympathise with your views.

I doubt many folk in Germany and France will get to hear about this particular incident, so, as Stuving suggested a few months ago, just because you don’t hear about it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

This particular failure, of a defective insulator may indeed be as rare you suggest. However OverHead-Line Equipment (OHLE) issues causing significant delays seem to occur most weeks.


I was shown some photos of the offending insulator today.  It was type that holds both the registration arm and supports the catenary.

It has a glass reinforced plastic (GRP) centre core with a polymeric shed set on the outside with metal fixtures at each end, the insulator was split longitudinally from meat fixture to metal fixture, there is quite a lot of mechanical and electrical stress on these insulators.

Its not understood yet what casued it to fail, it will be sent away for "post mortum" and if its felt nessesary others in the same batch will be recovered from the system and sent away analisiys.


Faults like this are not just consighned to the "oh well s#!t happens" investigations are done and if its felt its a bad batch they will be replaced.


Actual OverHead-Line Equiment (OHLE) component failures Nationally are actually quite rare, I know I see the incident data and reports for actual equipment failures

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 24, 2018, 10:42:54
This from earlier today shows GWR performance figures
http://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/27759/passenger-freight-performance-2017-18-q4.pdf.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 25, 2018, 09:42:19
Freddie Starr ate my track...

Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 25/05.
Customer Advice:
London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on May 25, 2018, 09:52:12
Broken rail on the down relief at Hanwell Viaduct.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 25, 2018, 09:58:37
A very poor month so far.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 25, 2018, 12:40:26
Freddie Starr ate my track...

Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 25/05.
Customer Advice:
London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

Now 1600, fantastic for the Bank holiday getaway, luckily I'm not relying on GWR today but went past Taplow earlier and every service in both directions was showing "cancelled". I'm told it's not much better now.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on May 25, 2018, 15:08:32
Freddie Starr ate my track...

Due to urgent repairs to the track between Ealing Broadway and Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 14:00 25/05.
Customer Advice:
London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

Now 1600, fantastic for the Bank holiday getaway, luckily I'm not relying on GWR today but went past Taplow earlier and every service in both directions was showing "cancelled". I'm told it's not much better now.

Basically its half hourly service Didcot - Padd calling additionally at Taplow and Burnham; however the CIS is not showing the additional stops


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 31, 2018, 07:39:57
A fault with the signalling system between Reading and Newbury is causing disruption to trains travelling between these stations. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 50 minutes or diverted.

Disruption is expected to continue until at least 10:00


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on May 31, 2018, 07:53:29
A fault with the signalling system between Reading and Newbury is causing disruption to trains travelling between these stations. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 50 minutes or diverted.

Disruption is expected to continue until at least 10:00

What a relief that West Country trains can be (and are being) diverted between Reading and Westbury via Swindon.  Pity there's a long stretch of single track on that diversionary route ...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on May 31, 2018, 08:19:14
A fault with the signalling system between Reading and Newbury is causing disruption to trains travelling between these stations. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 50 minutes or diverted.

Disruption is expected to continue until at least 10:00

What a relief that West Country trains can be (and are being) diverted between Reading and Westbury via Swindon.  Pity there's a long stretch of single track on that diversionary route ...

With the inevitable effect on second class trains that people in Wiltshire now rely on

Quote
09:46 Westbury to Swindon due 10:32
09:46 Westbury to Swindon due 10:32 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

Quote
10:47 Swindon to Westbury due 11:28
10:47 Swindon to Westbury due 11:28 will be cancelled.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.

So after the 07:33 train from Westbury, next service remaining (at present) is 11:47.  After the 08:53 from Swindon, next service is 12:49.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: RA on May 31, 2018, 08:33:32
I would expect the 08:53 service from Swindon to be diverted via Bathampton to avoid the single line.  :(


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on May 31, 2018, 08:39:55
I would expect the 08:53 service from Swindon to be diverted via Bathampton to avoid the single line.  :(

Ah yes ...

Quote
08:53 Swindon to Westbury due 09:41
08:53 Swindon to Westbury due 09:41 will be diverted between Chippenham and Trowbridge.
It will no longer call at Melksham.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.
Last Updated:31/05/2018 07:58

So that's a gap from 06:36 to 13:14 at Melksham, with both the 09:18 and 11:12 not calling


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Adelante_CCT on May 31, 2018, 09:41:12
Line appears to be open now


Edit, trains appear to be struggling to get past Woolhampton LC


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 31, 2018, 09:52:43
I'm glad I didn't wait for my usual connection, 130 mins late  :o


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on May 31, 2018, 12:18:41
Midgham level crossing (at Woolhampton) did continue to have problems but a "reboot" solved them.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on May 31, 2018, 16:03:56
Trivial compared to the bad weather disruption on Swindon routes currently showing.

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Reading and Basingstoke trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Basingstoke.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 16:15 31/05.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 31, 2018, 17:07:16
Trivial compared to the bad weather disruption on Swindon routes currently showing.


Indeed. Good luck to anyone attempting to get to Bristol/Wales/Devon/Cornwall this afternoon/evening.

I note from at least one of the updates that no alternative road transport will be provided - what are people to do?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on May 31, 2018, 18:32:19
From the bbc news article about the impending weather:

“Great Western Railway trains, which serves south Wales, and southern and western England, will run more slowly than usual”

I know what they are trying to say but the choice of words did make me giggle.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on May 31, 2018, 19:15:20
I note from at least one of the updates that no alternative road transport will be provided - what are people to do?

Supposed to be rail replacement buses through Swindon after 8.15 tonight due to planned engineering work.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on May 31, 2018, 22:10:50
Pictures of flooding in the station at Didcot Parkway this evening: https://twitter.com/wilselwood/status/1002291682740760576 (https://twitter.com/wilselwood/status/1002291682740760576)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: didcotdean on May 31, 2018, 23:18:26
In Didcot there was around two hours of almost continuous heavy to torrential rain from around 7:30, on top of shorter heavy bursts in the previous two hours. My satellite reception was completely knocked out for the worst parts.

A picture seen elsewhere of the passage to the platforms:

(https://i.gyazo.com/9e0898126a6de47128dbcf2ebd49641f.png)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: didcotdean on June 01, 2018, 07:18:51
Maybe unsurprisingly considering the above, the lifts are not working this morning at Didcot. Reported that the peak flood was around a foot high.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on June 01, 2018, 07:44:46
Is this related to the weather / flooding?

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Oxford and Worcester Shrub Hill trains have to run at reduced speed.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 12:00 01/06.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on June 01, 2018, 08:03:53
Oxfordshire and the Cotswolds certainly was hit by torrential rain and flash floods, above pictures prove it. However, the Met Office amber warning was for too wide an area with many places to the south of the area of storm activity seeing little to no rain. This led to Network Rail imposing speed restrictions over a wide area of the Western region causing delays and cancellations for many for something that didn’t happen.

I know I’m going to cop flack for what I’ve written by at least one individual on this forum but that was poor forecasting that caused delays and inconvenience to many. What happened at Didcot would have been covered under a yellow warning, flash flooding in a small area. If then, like what happened in the Midlands on Sunday, the storms start to gang up and sit in a concentrated area, then issue an Amber warning for the area where the intense activity is taking place and where it’s heading towards.

Warnings are good, but if you keep issuing them and little to nothing happens then they start to be ignored. For the past six days I’ve been under yellow and amber warnings only to witness a bit of heavy rain overnight.

And as for the media hyperbole everytime the Met issue a yellow warning... don’t get me started.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: red cuillen on June 01, 2018, 09:38:12
I must admit to being surprised by the extent of the amber warning, especially the wording - I thought SW England was Devon and Cornwall, with most of the amber warning map showing up the West Country. I believe the main point of severe weather warnings though is to alert people to the risk, hence 'be prepared', rather than carry on with your day with no idea of the potential for bad weather.  Who does National Rail take their day to day forecast from anyway, public warnings come from the Met Office, but there are many firms out there selling forecasts to companies?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CMRail on June 01, 2018, 09:53:44
Was there two hours before and started raining at around 17:05


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ellendune on June 01, 2018, 10:07:48
I must admit to being surprised by the extent of the amber warning, especially the wording - I thought SW England was Devon and Cornwall, with most of the amber warning map showing up the West Country. I believe the main point of severe weather warnings though is to alert people to the risk, hence 'be prepared', rather than carry on with your day with no idea of the potential for bad weather.  Who does National Rail take their day to day forecast from anyway, public warnings come from the Met Office, but there are many firms out there selling forecasts to companies?

They do not take their day to day forecast from public warnings. They receive tailored forecasts from the Met Office. The public warnings we see are based on the warnings issued to individual local authorities and other public utilities including Environment Agency, Natural Resources Wales, Highways England, Network Rail, water companies, electricity distribution companies etc.  These bodies have in addition personal contacts so that they can talk directly to a forecaster familiar with their area.  The Environment Agency have some control rooms with permanent Met Office staff in place to work with hydrologists to produce flood forecasts.  

Unfortunately the type of rainfall we are experiencing at the moment is extremely difficult to forecast.  If you read the reports of flooding you will hear often of severe flooding in one place and only drizzle in another place nearby.  

The Boscastle flooding of 2004 was not forecast for this reason.  Now computer technology has made it possible to forecast the likelihood better but not the location with the same accuracy - hence the blanket warning.

The warnings are used by the authorities to do what it says - be prepared - so Environment Agency and Natural Resources Wales flood management control rooms were staffed up, local authorities put staff on stand-by to deal with any consequences.  All sorts of actions were going on in the background.

And there was flooding in the Orange area and local authorities and the Environment Agency took action where it occurred to deal with the consequences. There was flooding in Gloucester, Oxford, in Herefordshire and at Didcot Station. The Environment Agency monitored river levels through the night and issued flood warnings (as I write there is still one in force for the Lambourn Valley in Berkshire).

All these behind the scenes actions took place because the warnings were issued.  

Contrast the 1953 coastal flooding where 300 people were killed who could have been saved by appropriate warnings (as the floods moved down the coast quite slowly from north to South), but there was no system for warning anyone else and no one was monitoring the flooding nationally to see the pattern and make a forecast.

Whether Network Rail should have put a blanket speed restriction on - I am not able to judge.  But there are more to these warnings than we, the public see.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on June 01, 2018, 17:57:22
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Maidenhead and Reading some lines towards Reading are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 19:30 01/06.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on June 01, 2018, 19:40:27
Cancellations to services between Maidenhead and Bourne End
Due to a broken down train between Maidenhead and Bourne End the line is blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 21:00 01/06.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on June 07, 2018, 19:35:06
Following a fault with the signalling system at Oxford some lines will be reopened shortly. Disruption is expected until 20:00 07/06.
Impact:
Train services between Oxford and Reading may be delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on June 08, 2018, 07:27:42
A fault with the signalling system near Swindon is causing disruption to trains through this station.

As a result, services may be cancelled, delayed or revised.

Disruption is expected to continue until 09:30.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on June 20, 2018, 08:47:52
Delays to services between Twyford and Maidenhead
Due to a broken down train between Twyford and Maidenhead some lines are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:45 20/06.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on June 20, 2018, 18:43:25
Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00 20/06.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on June 20, 2018, 19:31:26
Cancellations to services between Slough and Reading

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and Reading fewer trains are able to run on all lines.

Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 21:00 20/06.

Axle counter failure between Maidenhead and Twyford affecting trains on the down relief, also a points failure between Old Oak and Paddington


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Thatcham Crossing on June 20, 2018, 22:27:59
Quote
Axle counter failure between Maidenhead and Twyford affecting trains on the down relief

I was on the 1819 (12-car 387) PAD-DID this evening from PAD as far as RDG, and observed a couple of trains at stand on the DR between Maidenhead and Twyford, presumably as a result of this.

When I got to the train about 10 mins before departure it was announced it wouldn't be stopping at Maidenhead or Twyford "due to an earlier fault", so cue lots of disgruntled pax getting off or expressing frustration at the gateline.

For me, it was nice to get a non-stop ride down the DM at full chat in a 387.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Western Enterprise on June 21, 2018, 13:14:06
And wasn't the 18.19 empty with no Maidenhead nor Twyford Peeps ?
Lots of fresh air being carried around on that one.
It didn't help in that the next fast was also cancelled so the next fast ended up being the 18.49.

At least the Platform Pub did well yesterday evening ... ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on June 26, 2018, 15:31:44
It seems that GWR are quite happy to give detailed descriptions of reasons for delays when its not their own fault...(and yes, I know its not Thames Valley; I was using it as an example!):
Quote
Due to an issue with the signalling system between Bristol Temple Meads and Parson Street drivers must speak to the signaller at three signals before passing them. This will cause trains through the affected area to run slower than normal.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on June 27, 2018, 07:46:12
Following a points failure between Twyford and Reading all lines towards Reading have now reopened.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 27/06.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on June 27, 2018, 09:43:07
Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Swindon
 
Due to a points failure between Didcot Parkway and Swindon all lines are blocked. Disruption is expected until 10:30 27/06.
Train services between Didcot Parkway and Swindon may be cancelled, delayed or diverted between Reading and Bath Spa. Didcot Parkway, Swindon and Chippenham will not be served.

Last Updated:27/06/2018 09:31


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: drenahmeti22 on June 27, 2018, 13:47:39
Axle counters (RD)VY & (RD)WB on the down relief line at Moreton Cutting are showing failed after passage of 4V31, 0753 London Gateway Freightliner to Bristol Freightliner.
This holds SB903 and SB847 at danger.
Reset has been unsuccessful.

(Due to an axle counter failure at Moreton Cutting the line is affected.)

Impact:
Train services may be delayed.

This incident will continue until further notice.

Moreton Cutting has been horrendous this week, practically continous failures there!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on June 27, 2018, 17:34:46
Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Slough.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 17:45 27/06.
Customer Advice:
Trains from London Paddington towards Slough/Reading, are unable to call at stations between Ealing Broadway and West Drayton.
Customers travelling from these stations towards Slough/Reading are advised to catch a train to Ealing Broadway and change there, where services towards West Drayton (and onwards) are available.
Customers travelling from London Paddington to stations between Ealing Broadway and West Drayton. should travel West Drayon and change there, where train services for intermediate stations back towards London Paddington will be available.


Currently crawling out of Paddington. Another wretched day. My morning local service was cancelled.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on June 27, 2018, 18:34:44
I was at Ealing Broadway and it was bloody dangerous. At the very last minute it was announced that there would be a stopper leaving from Platform 1 rather than 3...…….needless to say there was a stampede and a mass of bodies on the stairs.

There didn't appear to be any, or at least sufficent competent staff around to manage the situation and the train left with hordes of people still making their way up and down the stairs, including some who were trying to "circulate"for West Drayton via Ealing due to the signal failures. That staircase is much narrower that the one for Platform 3 and it could have been a very serious situation if people had taken a tumble.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 01, 2018, 16:27:43
....to add to the general joy today.....

Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:45 01/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on July 01, 2018, 22:07:11
....to add to the general joy today.....

Delays to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
Due to a safety inspection of the track between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 16:45 01/07.

Seems they’ve had several issues with electric trains detecting damage to the overheads and dropping the pantograph (ADD activations) in a couple of locations between Reading and Paddington. NR unable to fault. 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 01, 2018, 22:13:49
Overall the infrastructure and service seems to have held up pretty well during this prolonged period of warm weather.  Not perfect by any means but not the regular complete collapse we’ve seen in recent years.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 03, 2018, 10:27:01
Alterations to services at London Paddington
Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington some lines are disrupted.
Train services running to and from this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:45 03/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on July 03, 2018, 10:58:58
Disruption is expected until 10:45 03/07.

And we know what's coming...

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Disruption is expected until 12:45 03/07.

further info:

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Owing to a fault with the signalling system on the approach to London Paddington station some lines have had to be closed which limits the number of train movements that can be accommodated. As a result a number of routes will see a reduction in the frequency of services until such time as the fault has been rectified.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 03, 2018, 11:37:11
GWR Twitter stating that they expect it to be all clear by 1300......I'm assuming that'll be today.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 04, 2018, 09:10:53
Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are closed.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 04/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on July 04, 2018, 09:40:43
Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines are closed.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:00 04/07.

And inevitably:

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Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 04/07.
Last Updated:04/07/2018 09:35


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2018, 09:44:27
Line 2 has been shut in the Down direction since yesterday morning (03/07/2018) due to a fault with SN83 signal and now Line 3 is shut in both directions due to a track circuit failure (04/07/2018).  There has also been an ongoing fault with SN105 signal on Line 1 at Ladbroke Grove which means it can only be cleared on approach. It was chaos last time I looked at the OTT Maps.... :P


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2018, 13:58:35
Problems still ongoing at 1400 (04/07/2018).  Not looking good for the evening peak :P


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CJB666 on July 04, 2018, 14:03:30
I was at H&H this a.m. at about 11.30

Lots of trains cancelled. Nice to see that John McDonnell the Shadow Chancellor was there too. As local MP (H&H Lab.) he too has to put up with all of the disruption we mortals have to endure.

However all the TfL staff at H&H seem to want to do is to ensure that Pax touch in / out.

Next time I will ask them why I should touch in when so many trains are cancelled. If I touch in and then find that there's no trains and decide to go down to Feltham I'll incur a Penalty Fare.

BTW I've thought of a ruse. We are constantly nagged that if we see "something unusual" we should report it to the BTP. That is "See It, Say It, Sorted." I wonder what would happen if I reported an unusual event such as the arrival of a TfL or GWR train on time, with seats to spare, and stopping at the advertised stations?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2018, 14:03:58
Now another track circuit failure on the E&C flyover at OOC!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on July 04, 2018, 14:37:13
Just breaking:

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Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
Due to a points failure between Didcot Parkway and Oxford some lines towards Oxford are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:30 04/07.
Last Updated:04/07/2018 14:29

[edit] - so far nothing seems to have moved for about 40 minutes


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ray951 on July 04, 2018, 15:24:31
Just breaking:

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Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford
Due to a points failure between Didcot Parkway and Oxford some lines towards Oxford are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 15:30 04/07.
Last Updated:04/07/2018 14:29

[edit] - so far nothing seems to have moved for about 40 minutes
Well I hope its resolved before I go home as otherwise there will be a lot of even more pi**ed off Oxford-Didcot commuters as yesterday the 1707 was cancelled, for the 3rd time in 5 days, and the next train the 1735 left 25 minutes late.
Normally I would be not looking forward to the 2 week break in service that starts next week due to the Oxford upgrade, but this year it feels more like a welcome break.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 04, 2018, 15:53:34
Track circuit failure on Line 3 at Paddington fixed now (04/07/2018).  Other problems still ongoing.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 06, 2018, 16:23:19
The inevitable Friday afternoon chaos begins.......Alterations to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway some lines towards Reading are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 06/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 06, 2018, 16:38:50
Indeed, in it rolls...

Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Reading and Basingstoke trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Basingstoke.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:00 06/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on July 06, 2018, 16:42:21
One at Slough and one at Ladbroke Grove.

Slough now resolved while Ladbroke Grove fixed in one position until repairs can be made overnight.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 06, 2018, 16:44:50
The Paddington to Ealing Broadway problem was resolved very quickly (within 10 minutes) with minimal reactionary delays to recover and the Basingstoke one was due to a track defect at Mortimer with trains now restricted to 20mph over it, so again not particularity disruptive fortunately.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 06, 2018, 16:49:06
Basingstoke <-> Reading can barely keep to the current peak timetable as it is, trains are often dropped out because the inbound slips until it's easier to skip one.

Edit: yup 2J53 canned due to inbound 2J50 20 mins late. Now the next service will be overloaded in this heat.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 06, 2018, 18:08:53
Due to failure of the electricity supply between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:00 06/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on July 06, 2018, 19:06:30
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Delays to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Following a points failure between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway all lines towards Reading are now open.
Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal. Disruption is expected until 19:15 06/07.
Customer Advice
London Underground are conveying passengers between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
Last Updated:06/07/2018 18:57


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CJB666 on July 06, 2018, 23:03:11
Due to failure of the electricity supply between Reading and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are closed.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 19:00 06/07.
Disruption continued well after 19.30. A GWR all stations from Paddington left from platform 3 packed to the gunnels. Many did not touch in - you can't at platform 3. But the gateline staff were getting pi$$ed when pax pushed through.

30 mins later an HCon from Paddington left platform 12 again packed, leaving many on the platform some with suitcases.

No announcements as to the disruption. No Hcon staff / managers visible. 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 09, 2018, 07:26:47
Due to a points failure at Didcot Parkway fewer trains are able to run on some lines. Disruption is expected until 10:00 09/07.
Impact:
Train services between Didcot Parkway and Reading may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or terminated at and started back from Reading.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Adelante_CCT on July 09, 2018, 12:40:09
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Due to a safety inspection on a train between Didcot Parkway and Swindon some lines are blocked.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 13:00 09/07.

Customer Advice
Our Control Room have received reports of a fire alarm sounding on a train between Didcot and Swindon. Response teams are on site investigating. Only one of the two lines normally available can be used between Didcot and Swindon, so congestion will occur


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 09, 2018, 12:55:10
Normal working resumed between Didcot and Swindon after the issue with the fire bells sounding on a High Speed Train (HST) (again!).  Original train delayed by over an hour but at least the reversible signalling came in handy as trains were able to be routed round it, albeit with delays.

A timely example of how having such signalling, currently being commissioned between Didcot and Oxford of course, can be a real help in such situations - even if not used very often.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 11, 2018, 08:00:43
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Swindon and Didcot Parkway trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards Didcot Parkway. Disruption is expected until 09:30 11/07.
Impact:
Train services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway may be delayed by up to 15 minutes


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on July 11, 2018, 10:59:53
Normal working resumed between Didcot and Swindon after the issue with the fire bells sounding on a HST (again!).  Original train delayed by over an hour but at least the reversible signalling came in handy as trains were able to be routed round it, albeit with delays.

A timely example of how having such signalling, currently being commissioned between Didcot and Oxford of course, can be a real help in such situations - even if not used very often.

The reversible signalling through the Vale of the White Horse also comes in quite useful when some forms of engineering work are taking place in the late evenings.  Quite often my train has been signalled onto the up line between Didcot and Swindon.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 17, 2018, 08:46:47
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked.
Impact: Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:45 17/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 17, 2018, 11:02:17
Update;

Alterations to services between Slough and London Paddington
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes or revised. Ealing Broadway will not be served. Disruption is expected until 12:30 17/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 17, 2018, 12:48:30
2nd update:

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Slough and London Paddington some lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Ealing Broadway will not be served. Disruption is expected until 14:00 17/07.
Customer Advice:
Following repairs to the initial fault with signalling cables, a second unrelated fault has now occurred in the area meaning 2 of the 4 tracks are affected.
Thames Valley stopping services will be revised in both directions.
Passengers wishing to travel from Slough, Reading and stations further west to Ealing Broadway should travel to London Paddington and circulate for stopping services to Ealing Broadway.
London Underground are conveying passengers between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington in both directions until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 18, 2018, 06:34:25
Alterations to services at Hayes & Harlington
Due to a fault with the signalling system at Hayes & Harlington trains have to run at reduced speed.
Train services running through this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 07:30 18/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 18, 2018, 16:03:25
Due to a points failure between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked. Disruption is expected until 19:30 18/07.
Impact:
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or diverted.
Customer Advice:
London-bound fast line is blocked between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington. Long Distance / High Speed services will be diverted via the Slow line between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on July 18, 2018, 16:35:50
Due to a points failure between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington some lines towards London Paddington are blocked. Disruption is expected until 19:30 18/07.
Impact:
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or diverted.
Customer Advice:
London-bound fast line is blocked between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington. Long Distance / High Speed services will be diverted via the Slow line between Ealing Broadway and London Paddington.

Because of major disruption this afternoon at Waterloo there's currently acceptance for SWR tickets on GWR but I wonder if that'll now be withdrawn?

(and in other travel-related news, apparently Heathrow is currently on stop due to a fire alert at air traffic control...)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on July 18, 2018, 17:34:45
... Slow line ...

??  ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 18, 2018, 17:41:33

Is there a fast one?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on July 19, 2018, 10:38:32

No

Obviously someone not versed in GWR (1923) terminology.

Main and Reliefs.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on July 19, 2018, 15:28:01
....and GOODS..... :P


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Western Enterprise on July 20, 2018, 10:42:16

No

Obviously someone not versed in GWR (1923) terminology.

Main and Reliefs.

Must be a LNER interloper..... ;D ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 22, 2018, 16:39:38
Looking at the weather forecast this week the temperature looks to be edging into the 90s for the LTV area virtually every day...…...what price loads of delays/cancellations for melting rails?

We've been largely surprisingly free of this so far during this warm period, but I have an inkling that luck may be coming to an end...……... :(


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on July 22, 2018, 17:02:41
Looking at the weather forecast this week the temperature looks to be edging into the 90s for the LTV area virtually every day...…...what price loads of delays/cancellations for melting rails?

We've been largely surprisingly free of this so far during this warm period, but I have an inkling that luck may be coming to an end...……... :(

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14:14 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:35
14:14 Weymouth to Bristol Temple Meads due 16:35 has been previously delayed and is now 17 minutes late from Frome.
This is due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on July 23, 2018, 15:55:04
Indeed:

Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/07.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: tomL on July 23, 2018, 16:48:27
Indeed:

Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/07.

Isn’t this the age old problem of it being fresh track layed over the last couple of weeks? Always a pain regardless.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on July 23, 2018, 17:13:53
An official "level 3 or amber" heatwave alert has been issued covering the South east of England.

This warns that "action is required" though the actions that most of us can take are rather limited. I do not normally carry drinking water when away from home, but would so during a heat wave warning.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 23, 2018, 18:23:12
Indeed:

Due to a speed restriction because of high track temperatures at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.
Impact: Train services running through this station may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:00 23/07.

Isn’t this the age old problem of it being fresh track layed over the last couple of weeks? Always a pain regardless.

Indeed it is.  Basically a 50mph Temporary Speed Restriction throughout much of the area has been reduced further to 20mph.  No more than 3-4 minutes delay as a direct result of that, though or course reactionary delays increased that a little for some services.  I would expect similar restrictions until the end of the week given the hot weather.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on July 24, 2018, 06:23:13
Same 20mph heat restriction today, but from 13:00-18:00 so three hours less in length.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on July 24, 2018, 07:33:25
The one thing that concerns the Track Engineer at this time of the year is CRT (Critical Rail Temperature)

They will design the track to be stable over a wide range of temperatures normally expected in the UK, the nominal ambient is 20 deg C and that is what they stress the CWR (continuously weld rail) too.  Factors that effect it are curves and the cant, normal line speed, S&C etc.  What can impact on the CRT is where the ballast shoulder has been disturbed, new track that has not been fully tamped, condition of the ballast perhaps where it has not been renewed etc.

In the relatively (to the UK) extream tempratures we are expierencing at the moment each of the Route Track Eng, local PWay managers and the NR Ops teams will be holding regular teleconference through the day to make the judgement call on ESR's they will always default the side of being safe.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on August 02, 2018, 15:19:58
Not looking good at Oxford at the moment:

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Due to a fault with the signalling system at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines. Disruption is expected until 17:30 02/08.

Train services between Didcot Parkway and Oxford may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes.

Train services between Worcester Shrub Hill and Oxford may be cancelled or delayed by up to 30 minutes.

Train services between Banbury and Oxford have been suspended. Banbury, Kings Sutton, Heyford and Tackley will not be served.

It's not clear what the issue is but there are some significant delays and cancellations, with CrossCountry northbound services also affected by a broken down train.

(edit) Bit more info from CrossCountry Journeycheck:

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Due to a fault with barriers at a level crossing at Oxford trains have to run at reduced speed on all lines.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on August 02, 2018, 15:27:52
A problem with the phone system means every crossing - including farm ones - between Didcot and Banbury have had to be locked out of use before trains could run again.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on August 02, 2018, 17:47:19
Not sure about the impact though there seems to be a lot running late through Reading at present, but, for the record:

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Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

Following a fire on a train between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines have now reopened.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 02/08.

Customer Advice
London-bound fast line remains blocked, but Didcot-bound lines have reopened.
Last Updated:02/08/2018 17:35

and

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Delays to services between London Paddington and Reading

Due to a fault with the signalling system at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading. Disruption is expected until 19:30 02/08.

Train services between London Paddington and Reading may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.

Additional Information
Customers travelling to Burnham or Taplow are advised to travel through to Maidenhead and change at Maidenhead for services back to Taplow and Burnham.

Customers travelling from Taplow or Burnham should take the first available service to Slough and change at Slough to travel West.
Last Updated:02/08/2018 17:40


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on August 02, 2018, 17:54:07
Not sure about the impact though there seems to be a lot running late through Reading at present, but, for the record:

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Cancellations to services between Didcot Parkway and Reading

Following a fire on a train between Didcot Parkway and Reading some lines have now reopened.

Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:30 02/08.

Customer Advice
London-bound fast line remains blocked, but Didcot-bound lines have reopened.
Last Updated:02/08/2018 17:35

There is a slight Cotswold connection charles_uk.  Small fire on power car 43053 University of Worcester.  Train now reached Reading - but I don't think it will be going any further.....

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/1a24.png)



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on August 02, 2018, 19:13:32
I've just been keeping an eye on the OTT maps in the Twyford area and I noticed something a little strange just now as the attached screenshot shows. 1C25 (18.00 PAD-BRI) and 1R06 (17.57 PAD-RDG) were held on the DR while 1K93 (18.03 PAD-THE) was routed via the UR to call at P4. While all this was happening, 1A27 (17.10 WSM-PAD) was later held for a few minutes on the UM at Twyford West. This all seems to be something of a kerfuffle which caused further delay to already late trains (1C25 went from being 27L to 41L according to RTT). Presumably this was done to benefit connecting Henley Branch passengers but why hold so many other trains while the route was set all the way from Twyford East to West?



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on August 02, 2018, 19:26:50
I've just been keeping an eye on the OTT maps in the Twyford area and I noticed something a little strange just now as the attached screenshot shows. 1C25 (18.00 PAD-BRI) and 1R06 (17.57 PAD-RDG) were held on the DR while 1K93 (18.03 PAD-THE) was routed via the UR to call at P4. While all this was happening, 1A27 (17.10 WSM-PAD) was later held for a few minutes on the UM at Twyford West. This all seems to be something of a kerfuffle which caused further delay to already late trains (1C25 went from being 27L to 41L according to RTT). Presumably this was done to benefit connecting Henley Branch passengers but why hold so many other trains while the route was set all the way from Twyford East to West?

FIRE onboard a powercar of 1A24 I understand from an earlier post from bobm causing disruption.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on August 02, 2018, 19:29:49
Fire was on a London-bound train - 1A24 the 16:00 ex-Bristol Temple Meads.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on August 02, 2018, 19:32:53
Fire was on a London-bound train - 1A24 the 16:00 ex-Bristol Temple Meads.

Yea, got my C and A mixed, correcting post.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on August 02, 2018, 19:38:01
I was just making the point that it seemed strange that the route was set all the way from Twyford East to West. I'd have thought that 1K93 could have just been routed as far as P4, then once the other 2 or 3 trains were out of the way the route could have been set onward to the DM at Twyford West. Presumably this is some sort of quirk of the new signalling system at TVSC?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 03, 2018, 13:30:17
Cancellations to services between Reading and Theale
Due to a points failure between Reading and Theale all lines are closed.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled. Disruption is expected until 14:00 03/08.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 07, 2018, 21:18:54
Looking at the weather forecast this week the temperature looks to be edging into the 90s for the LTV area virtually every day...…...what price loads of delays/cancellations for melting rails?

We've been largely surprisingly free of this so far during this warm period, but I have an inkling that luck may be coming to an end...……... :(

Another surprisingly good couple of weeks generally as the latest warm period in this lovely summer draws to a close.  A lot to be critical of within the railway industry at the moment, but the infrastructure has by and large held up much better than usual.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 08, 2018, 07:04:23
Cancellations to services at London Paddington
Due to urgent repairs to the track at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:00 08/08.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on August 08, 2018, 07:55:37
Cancellations to services at London Paddington
Due to urgent repairs to the track at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:00 08/08.

Platform 9 is closed due to defective longitudinal timbers.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 08, 2018, 08:32:57
Cancellations to services at London Paddington
Due to urgent repairs to the track at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run.
Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled or terminated at and started back from Reading. Disruption is expected until 10:00 08/08.

Platform 9 is closed due to defective longitudinal timbers.

Once again the infrastructure controller not understanding the condition of its assets?........


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on August 08, 2018, 22:47:00
Yea, got my C and A mixed, correcting post.

I'm told that can bring tears to the eyes.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ray951 on August 16, 2018, 11:42:19
Looks like a problem with the signalling system just north of Oxford station.
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/199137.aspx (http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/199137.aspx)

A fault with the signalling system at Oxford is causing disruption to trains at this station. Trains may be delayed by up to 45 minutes, cancelled or revised.

Disruption is expected until 13:00.

Hopefully its not the new signalling system, but looks quite serious as nothing moving at Oxford station on GWR, XC or Chiltern.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on August 16, 2018, 14:14:43
Axel counter failure, the first I’ve heard about since the signalling was commissioned.  Repairs hampered by traffic on the Botley Road delaying technicians!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on August 18, 2018, 17:40:15
For the second time this month the telephone system has failed between Culham and Heyford meaning all the foot crossings have to be locked out of use.   Until they are trains are having to be cautioned over them - and there are quite a few!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on August 19, 2018, 10:49:27
What happens to pedestrians who want to cross when they are locked out of use?



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on August 19, 2018, 11:04:12
What happens to pedestrians who want to cross when they are locked out of use?

They climb over the gate, listen, look both ways and if the lines clear cross, climb over the other gate, no problem.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 19, 2018, 15:31:32
What happens to pedestrians who want to cross when they are locked out of use?

They climb over the gate, listen, look both ways and if the lines clear cross, climb over the other gate, no problem.

I think if you tried that and were caught doing it, you might end up in court for committing tresspass.....

.....as well as endangering your own life (and possibly others).....


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on August 19, 2018, 16:20:25
So, Network Rail are free to block public rights of way because of their own failing?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 19, 2018, 19:20:29
Yes.

Edit to add:
Quote
Public Highways : The Railway obtained priority of way over the public highway and was required to provide gates to fence off the Railway line. The gates were required to close off the roadway and were to be opened to allow road users to pass over the Railway. Subsequently the Railway reversed the arrangement so that the gates were normally across the Railway for obvious reasons. The Railway does maintain the right however to close the road off as it sees fit - i.e. in the event of a failure, however these days this is done co-operatively with the local Highways Authority. In a short notice case such as a failure the Police will be called to close off the road.

Private Roads : These are roads which do not form part of the public highway and are maintained at the owners expense. Typically these give access to a landowner's house. The Railway retains priority of way and the crossing must be adequately fenced and gated.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on August 20, 2018, 17:11:05
Do they lock them out of use?  I thought they just continue to run trains at caution. 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on August 20, 2018, 17:58:38
If they are locked out of use, blocking the legal use of a public footpath, I presume Network Rail have applied for the necessary 'Traffic Regulation Orders'. These are required even if closures are temporary.

Network Rail can't arbitrarily block a public right of way without due process. In an emergency maybe, but not when a phone system (which at many foot crossings it is not mandatory for pedestrians to use) is faulty.

Despite this, Network Rail do act arbitrarily. And on more than one occasion have had to be told by the relevant highway authority to reopen arbitrarily closed crossings.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on August 20, 2018, 18:06:15
If they are locked out of use, blocking the legal use of a public footpath, I presume Network Rail have applied for the necessary 'Traffic Regulation Orders'. These are required even if closures are temporary.

Network Rail can't arbitrarily block a public right of way without due process. In an emergency maybe, but not when a phone system (which at many foot crossings it is not mandatory for pedestrians to use) is faulty.

Despite this, Network Rail do act arbitrarily. And on more than one occasion have had to be told by the relevant highway authority to reopen arbitrarily closed crossings.

BNM.  My post was in reference to failures, not pre-planned works, where as you correctly say a formal 'Road Closure' notice has to be approved by the highway authority in advance of the closure.  Done many of those, and the emergency ones, in my 50 year long (perhaps too long) S&T Career.......


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2018, 09:56:26
Delays to services between Reading and London Paddington


Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 12:00 26/08.
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on August 26, 2018, 11:45:15
Situation deteriorating;

Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington


Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 14:30 26/08.
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Slough and Hayes & Harlington. Langley and West Drayton will not be served.
Customer Advice
London-bound trains are currently not serving Langley or West Drayton.

Customers travelling to Langley or West Drayton are advised to change at Hayes and Harlington and double back.

Customers wishing to travel from Langley or West Drayton should travel via Slough.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on August 26, 2018, 11:55:08
Situation deteriorating;

Alterations to services between Reading and London Paddington


Due to a speed restriction over defective track at Langley trains have to run at reduced speed on the line towards London Paddington. Disruption is expected until 14:30 26/08.
Train services between Reading and London Paddington may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or running non stop between Slough and Hayes & Harlington. Langley and West Drayton will not be served.
Customer Advice
London-bound trains are currently not serving Langley or West Drayton.

Customers travelling to Langley or West Drayton are advised to change at Hayes and Harlington and double back.

Customers wishing to travel from Langley or West Drayton should travel via Slough.

A GWR driver reported a rough riding over a set of points in the Langley area.  Trains were initially cautioned.  Following an inspection by NR engineers an emergency 5mph speed restriction was imposed over the points. 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on August 26, 2018, 12:23:00
Cyclic top reported with the rail head observed moving vertically by 17mm with a train over it at 5mph.

I imagine that movement would have be considerably more at linespeed.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on August 26, 2018, 13:59:33
I got to Paddington just after 13:00. Train shed empty apart from HEX services. Lots of cancellations on the board. I'm on a very busy High Speed Train (HST) forming the 13:34 to Worcester Foregate Street. Out of Paddington 15 late - which is actually a lot better than I'd expected.


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on August 26, 2018, 15:26:44
Defect was on the Up Relief. The Mains were closed for engineering work.  Fortunately it was possible to stop the work early to allow them to reopen and enable the Relief to be closed for repair.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on August 29, 2018, 16:31:46
Following a fault with the signalling system between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines towards Didcot Parkway have now reopened. Disruption is expected until 17:30 29/08.
Impact: Train services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway are returning to normal but some services may still be delayed by up to 25 minutes.

Due to a fire on a train at Pangbourne some lines towards Didcot Parkway are blocked. Disruption is expected until 18:30 29/08.
Impact: Train services between Reading and Didcot Parkway may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CMRail on August 29, 2018, 16:34:53
Didcot signals have only failed 10 times this year, nothing much.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 02, 2018, 09:10:23
Delays to services between Reading and Didcot Parkway


Due to engineering works not being finished on time between Reading and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 40 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 02/09.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on September 02, 2018, 09:34:24
Four trains waiting at the platforms at Reading to head west and three at Swindon wanting to go east.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on September 02, 2018, 09:39:31
The 07:57 Paddington - Penzance via Bristol has just left Reading 66 late.

A delay that's not mentioned on JourneyCheck.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on September 02, 2018, 09:46:45
The 07:57 Paddington - Penzance via Bristol has just left Reading 66 late.

A delay that's not mentioned on JourneyCheck.


Think someone saw your post  ;D

Quote
07:57 London Paddington to Penzance due 14:16 has been delayed at Reading and is now 66 minutes late.
This is due to engineering works not being finished on time.
First class located at front. Catering is not available from Exeter St Davids.
Last Updated:02/09/2018 09:40


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on September 02, 2018, 09:51:15
Like it!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on September 02, 2018, 10:25:42
Maybe part of the remit of doing the social media role for GWR is to keep an eye on the Coffee Shop! They might learn a few things. :D

edited to add two missing words


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: froome on September 02, 2018, 12:00:40
Maybe part of the remit of doing the social media role for GWR is to keep on the Coffee Shop! They might learn a few things. :D

I thought that was the role. ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 10, 2018, 07:40:11
Delays to services between Slough and Twyford


Due to a broken down train between Slough and Twyford some lines towards Twyford are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 20 minutes. Disruption is expected until 08:15 10/09.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 11, 2018, 10:49:12
Delays to services between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway
Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Paddington and Ealing Broadway trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 12, 2018, 07:55:40
Cancellations to services at London Paddington


Due to damage to the overhead electric wires at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 08:30 12/09.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on September 13, 2018, 13:56:28
1407, 1415 and 1421 from Southall towards Paddington all cancelled, reason given as
Quote
This train has been cancelled because of a safety inspection of the track
All these are running non-stop from Hayes & Harlington to Paddington >:( ::)

Screenshot from GWR Journeycheck page showing live information for trains from Southall to Paddington. Nothing in the "Line Updates" list.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on September 13, 2018, 16:18:35
1407, 1415 and 1421 from Southall towards Paddington all cancelled, reason given as
Quote
This train has been cancelled because of a safety inspection of the track
All these are running non-stop from Hayes & Harlington to Paddington >:( ::)

Screenshot from GWR Journeycheck page showing live information for trains from Southall to Paddington. Nothing in the "Line Updates" list.

Set of points required attention near West Ealing. NR took a 20 minute line block on the Up relief to carry out repairs.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on September 20, 2018, 07:31:19
A fault with barriers at a level crossing in the Thatcham area is causing disruption to trains between Newbury and Reading.

As a result, services may be delayed by up to 30 minutes.

We anticipate that this will continue until 08:00.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on September 21, 2018, 07:42:28
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Swindon and Didcot Parkway all lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 60 minutes or diverted. Disruption is expected until 09:00 21/09.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on September 21, 2018, 09:33:17
Some services being diverted between Bath and Reading via the Berks and Hants.

Disruption now expected until 11am.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Oxonhutch on September 21, 2018, 10:22:17
While awaiting my severely delayed service at Didcot I heard that Pilotman Working had been introduced so the failure must have been pretty bad over a large area. On OTT delays appeared to be between Uffington and Challow Loops inclusive.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ray951 on September 21, 2018, 10:59:46
While awaiting my severely delayed service at Didcot I heard that Pilotman Working had been introduced so the failure must have been pretty bad over a large area. On OTT delays appeared to be between Uffington and Challow Loops inclusive.
Now ongoing delays until 15:00


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 24, 2018, 07:22:28
Alterations to services at Slough


Due to a fault with the signalling system at Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines.
Train services running through this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 09:00 24/09.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on September 24, 2018, 08:15:09
now fixed


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on September 25, 2018, 08:52:48
Cancellations to services at Maidenhead


Due to a fault with the signalling system at Maidenhead the line is blocked.
Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed by up to 45 minutes. Disruption is expected until 10:15 25/09.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on September 25, 2018, 09:06:52
line open....


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on September 25, 2018, 18:44:47
Due to a points failure at Oxford some lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through this station may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 25/09.

Following a points failure between Newbury and Reading the line towards Reading is now open.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 19:30 25/09.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on September 28, 2018, 16:02:34
Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Impact: Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:30 28/09.

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/09.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on September 28, 2018, 18:10:41
Due to a fault with the signalling system at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Impact: Train services running to and from this station may be delayed by up to 10 minutes. Disruption is expected until 17:30 28/09.

Due to a fault with the signalling system between Ealing Broadway and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Reading.
Impact: Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/09.

Expected disruption times now 19:30 and 20:00 respectively, though actual delays seem to be minimal - most of this evening's cancellations appear to be due to crew shortages.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on September 28, 2018, 18:30:56
Mrs GTBE was at Reading at 1730 and the screens were showing no trains to Pangbourne until 1828 (possibly she missed the 1808 to Oxford off P3).  She phoned me (train delays are still my fault although I retired ages ago), and after a a quick look at RTT I told her that the 1718 Padd - Oxford (1D35), although cancelled from Padd, was staring up at Reading at its booked time of 1756.  Mrs GTBE says this wasn't on the screens and station staff denied it was running.  So she got a taxi.

Well done to someone who organised for 1D35 to start up at Reading, but it would have been good if someone had ensured this was communicated to the CIS in good time.  I wonder if anyone was on it when it left Reading?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Adelante_CCT on September 28, 2018, 18:38:27
Well it was known well in advance

Quote

17:18 London Paddington to Oxford due 18:44 will be started from Reading.
It will no longer call at London Paddington, Maidenhead and Twyford.
This is due to a fault with the signalling system.


Last Updated:28/09/2018 15:33


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 01, 2018, 07:02:12
Welcome to October!  ::)


Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough


Due to a fault with the signalling system between London Paddington and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 10 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 01/10.
Customer Advice
Customers from stations with cancelled services between Hayes & Harlington and Langley travelling westbound should travel to Ealing Broadway and change for services to Slough.
Customers travelling westbound to stations between Hayes & Harlington and Slough should travel through to Slough and change for stations to Hayes & Harlington


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on October 01, 2018, 08:17:36
Delays now up to 20 minutes.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 01, 2018, 20:07:53
Still on going. 30 mins late in this morning and 22 mins late this evening on what should be around a 30 min journey. No announcements on the train or platform this morning and a rather frustrated driver this evening saying he had no idea what the problem was.

And we probably get to do it all again tomorrow...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 03, 2018, 10:04:23
Seemed to be delays again this morning on Thames Valley. Couple of trains waiting at Twyford and lots of people shouting at each other about whether they'd heard from 'Control'. 25 mins late in again.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: rogerw on October 03, 2018, 10:09:40
Obstruction on line at Acton according to our train manager. 16 minutes late on 0800 from Swindon


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on October 03, 2018, 10:22:21
Obstruction on line at Acton according to our train manager. 16 minutes late on 0800 from Swindon

Good to catch up with you earlier on the TransWilts train

The race to the north ... 10:21 sitting in Birmingham New Street on the 10:15 to Edinburgh


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: rogerw on October 03, 2018, 11:19:49
Approaching Newark 10 mins late. LNER breakfast consumed


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on October 03, 2018, 11:33:41
Approaching Newark 10 mins late. LNER breakfast consumed

.... or should it be an early lunchtime breakfast.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 15, 2018, 21:24:01
Thoughts with all affected.

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
Due to a person being hit by a train between London Paddington and Reading all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on October 16, 2018, 20:12:30
Quote
Delays to services between London Paddington and Slough

Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough some lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 22:00 16/10.

Some services showing as "delayed" at the moment including the 19:22 Paddington to Hereford train which is stuck between Paddington and Slough and at least 30 minutes late as I write.

Update... a touch more serious it seems:

Quote
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 120 minutes. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Last Updated:16/10/2018 20:13


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: RA on October 16, 2018, 21:20:38
Wiring reported wrapped around a class 802 unit (802016) on the down main line approaching Hanwell. The train involved is the 5Z65 21:13 North Pole to Stoke Gifford empty stock move. Power lost to all lines between Paddington and Maidenhead. Code Black declared. Ticket acceptance on other routes and London buses. Advice is not to travel.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: rower40 on October 16, 2018, 22:12:58
And opentraintimes maps appear frozen nationwide, so ...
1) us laypeople can't see what's happening
and
b) conspiracy theory - have NR cut the real-time information feed because of the disruptions (this one and the power outage at Victoria) tonight?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ellendune on October 16, 2018, 22:21:45
So is this the old wiring that includes headspans?  Has this bit been upgraded or is it still the 1990's wiring?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 16, 2018, 22:42:53
After a day when dozens of them were short formed, what a great way to round off the 1st anniversary of the introduction of the GWR IET fleet.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on October 17, 2018, 01:20:02
And opentraintimes maps appear frozen nationwide, so ...
1) us laypeople can't see what's happening
and
b) conspiracy theory - have NR cut the real-time information feed because of the disruptions (this one and the power outage at Victoria) tonight?
Still appears to be frozen as of 01:15 Wednesday.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2018, 05:00:32
And opentraintimes maps appear frozen nationwide, so ...
1) us laypeople can't see what's happening
and
b) conspiracy theory - have NR cut the real-time information feed because of the disruptions (this one and the power outage at Victoria) tonight?
Still appears to be frozen as of 01:15 Wednesday.

Still appears to be frozen as of 04:55 too with over 100 cancellations on JourneyCheck already, shuttle service between Didcot - Reading and Slough.

Wonder if they'll declare today a void day before its even got going ?

Everybody take the day off.

I think that's what they mean when they say 'NOT ATTEMPT TO TRAVEL BY TRAIN'.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 05:24:19
I had (clearly foolishly) decided to take a chance on GWR getting me to Plymouth this morning as I'm recovering from a broken ankle & am not able to drive for a couple more weeks. I should have known better. Now trying to find out if my 1st class Advance ticket will be valid tomorrow instead.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 05:29:39
Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2018, 05:39:47
Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.

Have pax been evacuated or are train managers taking orders for breakfast now ?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2018, 05:43:38
Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.

Have pax been evacuated or are train managers taking orders for breakfast now ?

Sorry, don't want to offend RMT so I'll add drivers to that quote where DOO applies.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on October 17, 2018, 05:58:38
Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.

Have pax been evacuated or are train managers taking orders for breakfast now ?

Sorry, don't want to offend RMT so I'll add drivers to that quote where DOO applies.

.... and ASLEF.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 06:13:14
Electric units blocking all lines between Slough & Paddington. Nothing moving east of Slough/Reading until at least lunchtime.

Have pax been evacuated or are train managers taking orders for breakfast now ?

Sorry, don't want to offend RMT so I'll add drivers to that quote where DOO applies.

.... and ASLEF.

Don't give them ideas, you'll have them all out on strike.

Their social media teams all seem to have given up already  (just when they are most needed)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 06:24:03
I had (clearly foolishly) decided to take a chance on GWR getting me to Plymouth this morning as I'm recovering from a broken ankle & am not able to drive for a couple more weeks. I should have known better. Now trying to find out if my 1st class Advance ticket will be valid tomorrow instead.
It should be TG.

Feel for everyone trying to travel to/from London on GWR. What a mess.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CMRail on October 17, 2018, 06:40:21
Feeling “sick” today as I cannot be arsed to travel with this disruption.

144 Train Cancellations this morning.
108 Amendments

Cheltenham’s terminating at Swindon
All others terminating at Reading.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 06:58:57
Feeling “sick” today as I cannot be arsed to travel with this disruption.

144 Train Cancellations this morning.
108 Amendments

Cheltenham’s terminating at Swindon
All others terminating at Reading.

Full quote from Journey Check concerning today:

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Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading some lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Since around 19:30 Tuesday evening virtually no train service has been able to operate between London Paddington and Reading in either direction owing to the damage to the overhead wires. This has led to widespread disruption with trains initially stranded in various locations owing to loss of overhead power and diesel powered services unable to bypass the disabled electric trains.

The position this morning is that all lines remain closed between London Paddington and Slough with the possibility that two of these four lines will be available during the afternoon.

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Customers intending to travel to or from intermediate stations between London Paddington and Slough are advised NOT ATTEMPT TO TRAVEL BY TRAIN until such time that confirmation has been published that the route has been reopened.

There will be a very significant reduction in train service frequency on most routes as a result of this incident and those services which do operate will be extremely busy.

Note that between Slough and London Paddington no alternative road transport other than scheduled bus / Underground / train operators services on parallel routes will operate. In other areas neighbouring train operators covering parallel routes and certain local bus routes are conveying holders of GWR tickets by any reasonable route.
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A limited train shuttle service will operate Slough - Reading - Didcot Parkway.

Those customers from London seeking to travel to Reading or west thereof are advised to travel to London Waterloo and travel on South Western Railway services to Reading (either direct or via Guildford or Basingstoke) from where main line services will restart.

Customers travelling to / from the Oxford area are advised to use Chiltern Railways services to / from London Marylebone.

Customers travelling to destinations in Devon and Cornwall are advised to travel via London Waterloo either to Reading or via Salisbury to interchange with West Country services at Exeter St Davids.

Customers travelling to destinations in the Worcester area may travel from London Euston to Birmingham New Street on Virgin West Coast services and then from Birmingham New Street to Worcester on West Midlands Railway services.

Note that with the reduced frequency of services many trains are expected to be very busy.
Further Information
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
Last Updated:17/10/2018 06:23


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: sanfrandragon on October 17, 2018, 06:59:23
Damage to overhead lines apparently.  Just what is the point of switching to overhead electricity?  It just adds another thing to go wrong .


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 17, 2018, 07:13:51
Sigh...the one day I really needed to be in. Almost joined some colleagues in getting a taxi from Twyford to Reading to pick up SWR but my heart wasn't in it. I;m not sure if they went in the end as there was concern about getting home and just the length of time it would all take.

Thanks to Grahame for the information below as there didn't seem to be much on the GWR website other than don't travel.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 07:19:29
Damage to overhead lines apparently.  Just what is the point of switching to overhead electricity?  It just adds another thing to go wrong .

It does more that just add another thing ... but the brand new electric railway that has yet something else to go wrong and in any case runs out and switches to diesel at Thingley Cocklebury Lane has something of a public relations problem this morning.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 07:31:32
Sigh...the one day I really needed to be in. Almost joined some colleagues in getting a taxi from Twyford to Reading to pick up SWR but my heart wasn't in it. I;m not sure if they went in the end as there was concern about getting home and just the length of time it would all take.

Thanks to Grahame for the information below as there didn't seem to be much on the GWR website other than don't travel.

There are signalling problems between Reading  & Waterloo too. GWR "help" being terse & unhelpful.

Almost unbelievably, despite warning people against travel today, they are not confirming whether tickets for today can be transferred to tomorrow's services.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 07:43:00
Thanks to Grahame for the information below as there didn't seem to be much on the GWR website other than don't travel.
GWR have rectified this. Here's a pretty detailed summary of whats running and what isn't:
https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/live-network-updates/disruption-information

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Overhead wires damaged Wednesday 17 October
On Tuesday 16 October overhead wires were damaged in the London area. This severely disrupted train services between London Paddington and Reading as many trains became stranded owing to the resultant loss of a power supply. Owing to the extent of the damage no trains are expected to be able to operate between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington in either direction for much of Wednesday 17th October. As a result, GWR, TfL Rail and Heathrow Express will not be operating a train service between London Paddington, Hayes & Harlington or Slough until such time as repairs have been completed.

Advice

Due to the disruption to Great Western, MTR and Heathrow Express services, we are advising customers not to seek to travel by train between London Paddington and Slough until at least mid-day today, Wednesday 17th October. From mid-day, two of the four lines are expected to reopen; this to be confirmed in due course.

We strongly advise not to travel on long distance routes or towards London due to a reduced train service on all routes and no train services operating to or from London Paddington. Train services will instead terminate and start at Reading.

If you are travelling from London beyond Reading please do not go to London Paddington but instead travel straight to either London Waterloo, London Marylebone or London Euston depending upon your ultimate destination.


A reduced timetable will be in place on Wednesday 17 October that will impact most mainline routes to and from London Paddington all day.

Between London Paddington and Didcot Parkway
Starting and terminating at Slough, a local stopping train service will operate between Slough, Reading and Didcot Parkway only in each direction.
South Western Railway is accepting GWR tickets between London Waterloo and Windsor/ Reading. Chiltern Railways is accepting GWR tickets between London Marylebone, Oxford and Banbury.
Between West Ealing and Greenford
The train service is suspended between West Ealing and Greenford, please travel on London Underground services and London Buses.
Between London Paddington and Bedwyn
Starting and terminating at Reading, the train service will operate between Reading and Bedwyn only.
South Western Railway is accepting GWR tickets between London Waterloo and Windsor/ Reading.
Between London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads
Starting and terminating at Reading, an hourly train service will operate between Reading and Bristol Temple Meads in each direction.
Between London Paddington and Swansea
Starting and terminating at Reading, an hourly train service will operate between Reading and Swansea in each direction. Transport for Wales is accepting GWR tickets between Cheltenham Spa and Cardiff Central and between Newport (South Wales) and Swansea.
Between London Paddington, Exeter, Plymouth and Penzance (West of England)
Starting and terminating at Reading, an hourly train service will operate between Reading and the West of England in each direction. CrossCountry is accepting GWR tickets between Cheltenham Spa, Bristol Temple Meads, Exeter, Plymouth and Penzance.
South Western Railway is accepting GWR tickets between Exeter St David’s, Basingstoke and London Waterloo.
Between London Paddington and Cheltenham Spa
The through train service is suspended between London Paddington and Cheltenham Spa, please travel on alternative services to Swindon and change there for connections. A local stopping train service is operating between Swindon and Cheltenham Spa, but this will be busier than normal. CrossCountry is accepting GWR tickets between Bristol Temple Meads and Cheltenham Spa, if you are travelling to or from Cheltenham Spa you can change at Bristol Parkway for connecting train services.
Between London Paddington, Worcester, Great Malvern and Hereford
Starting and terminating at Reading or Oxford, a reduced train service will operate from Hereford, Great Malvern and Worcester to Oxford and Reading in the morning. A limited train service will operate from Oxford to Worcester in the afternoon.
Virgin Trains West Coast is accepting GWR tickets between London Euston and Birmingham New Street.
West Midlands Railway is accepting GWR tickets between Birmingham New Street, Worcester, Great Malvern and Hereford.
CrossCountry is accepting GWR tickets between Basingstoke and Birmingham New Street.
Night Riviera Sleeper Services Tuesday 16 October:

23:45 London Paddington to Penzance, will start at Reading. If you are booked to travel on this service from London Paddington, please travel to London Waterloo and use South Western Railway services to Reading.
21:45 Penzance to London Paddington, this service will terminate at Reading.
Ticket acceptance:
Your ticket(s) with GWR is valid on the following routes:

London Underground between London Paddington and London Marylebone, London Euston, London Waterloo and Greenford.
London Buses between London and Slough.
South Western Railway between London Waterloo and Reading until the end of the day.
Chiltern Railways between London Marylebone and Oxford/Banbury until the end of the day.
West Midlands Railway between Birmingham New Street and Great Malvern via Worcester.
Virgin Trains West Coast between London Euston and Birmingham New Street until the end of the day.
CrossCountry between Cheltenham Spa and Penzance and also between Basignstoke and Birmingham New Street.
Transport for Wales between Cheltenham Spa and Cardiff Central and between Newport (South Wales) and Cheltenham Spa.
Compensation:

If your train service was delayed or cancelled, you could be entitled to a refund or compensation, please check our Refunds and Compensation page for more information


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 07:45:34
So was it an OverHead - Line Equipment (OHLE) failure or did an IET bring the wiring down?

Going to be a hefty bill for someone.

Looking at Social media from last night, taxis were doing a roaring trade with some very large bills heading GWR's way in the next few days.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 07:56:01
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 08:05:17
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?
So whooooozzz gonna pay for that one GWR or Hitachi as the 802s aren't Agility trains?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 08:08:50
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on October 17, 2018, 08:14:50
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?
So whooooozzz gonna pay for that one GWR or Hitachi as the 802s aren't Agility trains?

You may have noticed on the new electric units a light that luminates the pantograph, this is for a CCTV camera that is located in the pan well.


The footage from the unit involved and other units that passed over the damaged section will be interrogated by a joint team made up of Network Rail (NR), TOC's and FOCs.  There is also other data that is recorded on the units that will be used.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 08:16:18
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?
So whooooozzz gonna pay for that one GWR or Hitachi as the 802s aren't Agility trains?

I doubt very much wether GWR will be paying for it.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Birdie100 on October 17, 2018, 08:21:23
An interesting commute this morning! Furze platt to maidenhead, maidenhead to Twyford, realise the reading SWR train is up the spout, change at twyford back to Slough, Slough to Windsor, Windsor to Waterloo! Will be an adventure coming home!!!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Sixty3Closure on October 17, 2018, 08:33:16
An interesting commute this morning! Furze platt to maidenhead, maidenhead to Twyford, realise the reading SWR train is up the spout, change at twyford back to Slough, Slough to Windsor, Windsor to Waterloo! Will be an adventure coming home!!!

You showed more dedication than I did although my boss doesn't even look up anymore when I start a sentence or phone call with "the trains......"


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 08:33:58
Graham, There were many more than the 802 that got trapped when those wires descended...all the other electric units that got trapped with no power would have presumably not been running ECS but wiuld have had passengers on them? What happened to them?

Fyi, Network Rail (NR) are tweeting that 200 metred of wires are affected

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 08:35:42
Journeycheck has removed the comment that two lines might be available after lunch and now states disruption till end of day


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 08:41:18
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

AIUI there were people trapped on trains for hours and still hundreds stranded on the concourse at Paddington well after midnight - judging by reports customer service was pretty poor at Paddington (the usual gaping mouthed hopelessness and no-one prepared to make decisions about taxis/hotels etc) but better at Reading where there was some coordination - naturally of course that was if people were able to get to Reading.

I understand that the BTP at Paddington got thoroughly p'd off with GWR staff constantly summoning them to deal with frustrated customers who were not being threatening or abusive but just needed help, and then as the night drew on the GWR staff mostly steadily disappeared leaving the Police to deal with it all (that's from the (Police) horses mouth- TVP version).


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 08:49:18
AIUI there were people trapped on trains for hours and still hundreds stranded on the concourse at Paddington well after midnight - judging by reports customer service was pretty poor at Paddington (the usual gaping mouthed hopelessness and no-one prepared to make decisions about taxis/hotels etc) but better at Reading where there was some coordination - naturally of course that was if people were able to get to Reading.

I understand that the BTP at Paddington got thoroughly p'd off with GWR staff constantly summoning them to deal with frustrated customers who were not being threatening or abusive but just needed help, and then as the night drew on the GWR staff mostly steadily disappeared leaving the Police to deal with it all (that's from the (Police) horses mouth- TVP version).

Graham, There were many more than the 802 that got trapped when those wires descended...all the other electric units that got trapped with no power would have presumably not been running ECS but wiuld have had passengers on them? What happened to them?

Fair questions - I misread (didn't engage brain) and answered purely from the viewpoint of the train involved - classic error of not looking at the wider picture.   I need another coffee.

My mis-read shows how classically easy it is to be involved in the detail of what's going on and overlook the passenger - the very person for whom the services are being run.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on October 17, 2018, 08:51:41
On BBC Radio Berkshire just now there was a report from BBC South's Paul Clifton saying that the test IET involved was being driven by a GB Railfreight  (GBRf) driver and it brought down half a kilometre of cables.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 08:55:22
Something else that was missing last night were announcements were necessary on the tube on lines passing through Paddington....as has happened in the past - that the station was shut, likely to be shut for the rest of the evening & to go directly to Waterloo to get to Reading or Windsor/Slough, or via Piccadilly line to Heathrow.

No announcements meant pax were still going to Paddington after 10pm....simply then telling them not to travel after a night out was insufficient.

On BBC Radio Berkshire just now there was a report from BBC South's Paul Clifton saying that the test IET involved was being driven by a GBRf driver and it brought down half a kilometre of cables.

Network Rail (NR) are saying less than half that - 200 metres.

I wondered whether it was one of the couple of newly delivered 802s....seems so.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on October 17, 2018, 09:19:02
Network Rail (NR) are saying less than half that - 200 metres.

Network Rail (NR) are reported as saying "500 metres of extensive damage caused to overhead power lines" in this Guardian article:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/17/paddington-station-suffers-major-disruption-after-overhead-wires-damaged (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/17/paddington-station-suffers-major-disruption-after-overhead-wires-damaged)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 09:36:56
Yes, indeed, they are tweeting this now too.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 09:38:34
All passengers were evacuated from stranded trains by 00:30


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on October 17, 2018, 09:41:42
I've just found a Tweet from someone called Anila Babla with a photo showing passengers being evacuated onto the ballast at an unspecified location last night:

https://twitter.com/AnilaBabla/status/1052360086633340933 (https://twitter.com/AnilaBabla/status/1052360086633340933)



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 17, 2018, 09:41:54
According to info on the WNXX Forum, 15 Headspans damaged and up to 500m of wire.  The IET is still stranded with the wires wrapped around it.  14 headspans now repaired.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on October 17, 2018, 09:44:21
Damage to overhead lines apparently.  Just what is the point of switching to overhead electricity?  It just adds another thing to go wrong .

In theory, electrification is the way forward.
Less reliance on imported oil.
No pollution at point of use.
Better performance
Electric trains should be simpler and more reliable.

However as recent events have shown, network rail are not capable of electrifying on time or within budget, neither are they able to maintain existing infrastructure properly.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 09:49:32
Wrong again.

How do you suggest Network Rail (NR) prevent IETs from ripping down their wires?? Hardly Network Rail's (NR)s fault, this.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: YouKnowNothing on October 17, 2018, 09:57:44
Wait for the root cause, could be that the OverHead- Line Equipment (OHLE) wasn’t maintained (by Network Rail (NR)) could be other infrastructure issue, could be a pant issue..

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 10:01:32
Wouldn't an in service IET have done the damage if the wires themselves were faulty?

I think it's moving towards a faulty pan on the test train personally.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 10:01:43
Wrong again.

How do you suggest Network Rail (NR) prevent IETs from ripping down their wires?? Hardly Network Rail's (NR)s fault, this.

Depends on whether the wires were in any way faulty and to blame or whether it was the Class 802s faulty equipment which brought them down.

Either way, it’s in an area of electrification done in the 1990’s again using headspan wiring which we know is more prone to these sorts of problems. Network Rail (NR) have modified some of it, but much still remains as far as Airport Junction.

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on October 17, 2018, 10:04:54
Wrong again.

How do you suggest NR prevent IETs from ripping down their wires?? Hardly NRs fault, this.

Network rail can not prevent IETs or any other train from ripping down the wires.
My post however was in reply to an enquiry about the merits of electrification in general.

I stand by my reply about electrification having many advantages, but that network rail have not proved competent in electrifying routes on time or to budget, and that maintenance of existing equipment has been found wanting.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 10:08:43
From my inbox at 09:25

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Dear Graham
 
You may have heard that we are not currently able to run trains between London Paddington and Reading.  This follows damage to the overhead electric wires at Ealing by a test train operated by Hitachi Rail Europe yesterday evening – it was not in passenger service.
 
Network Rail have worked through the night, but need more time to safely repair and recommission the overhead wires.    They expect to be able to re-open two of the four lines into Paddington around midday. Disruption will however continue throughout the day.
 
We are therefore operating a reduced long distance service and there will be no local services between Reading and Paddington until lines re-open.  We are advising customers not to travel unless absolutely necessary and to check carefully before setting out.
 
For those who do need to travel we have arranged for GWR tickets to be accepted on London Waterloo services (change at Reading) or services to London Marylebone and our tickets are valid on South Western Railway, Chiltern Railways, Virgin Trains, West Midlands Railway and Transport for Wales services.  Customers between Reading and London can also use TfL underground and bus services.
 
I am sorry for the very difficult start to the day for our customers.  We will be working with Network Rail and Hitachi to understand what happened and will do all we can to get the lines opened as quickly as possible.
 
All the latest information will be on our website www.gwr.com and will be regularly updating traditional and social media outlets.
 
Best wishes
 
Mark

* Not a GWR operated train

* No attribution yet (except "not us")


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: mjones on October 17, 2018, 10:11:48
National Rail live departures from Didcot  is now showing hourly trains to Paddington from 1230. Is this likely to be real?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: wabbit on October 17, 2018, 10:13:47
Another example where having more diversionary routes would help when it comes to managing events like this.  E.g. via High Wycombe to Bourne End?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Boppy on October 17, 2018, 10:20:49
National rail enquiries now says disruption until end of day rather than the midday it mentioned earlier.

The disruption between Reading and Wokingham making things a lot worse is also quite key. At least usually there is this route as backup but judging by the crowds around platforms 4,5,6 there are delays and cancellations on that line. I had to get to Wokingham but the bus option looked the much preferable means of transport!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 10:24:44
Another example where having more diversionary routes would help when it comes to managing events like this.  E.g. via High Wycombe to Bourne End?

Money no object, of course.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on October 17, 2018, 10:27:52
Wouldn't an in service IET have done the damage if the wires themselves were faulty?

I think it's moving towards a faulty pan on the test train personally.

Its not unheard off that the Pan that rips the wires down was not the faulty Pan, it could have been several trains earlier with the damage to the OverHead - Line Equipment (OHLE) getting progressively worse.  This is why video from previous trains is checked in the post-mortem

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 10:35:20
yep, but still not the fault of Network Rail (NR).

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 10:37:58
yep, but still not the fault of NR.

Still could be....


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 10:45:57
Article by the Independent's travel writer Simon Calder:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-paddington-travel-latest-train-station-closed-great-western-railway-heathrow-express-tfl-rail-a8587596.html

Which he linked to his latest tweet:

Paddington closure.
Confirmed: a Hitachi test train shredded 500m of overhead line.
Train maker says: "We are taking today very seriously, a full and thorough investigation is taking place to identify the cause.”
Standstill. Waterloo-Reading also disrupted


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 10:50:24
Another example where having more diversionary routes would help when it comes to managing events like this.  E.g. via High Wycombe to Bourne End?

The new link to Marylebone has come in very useful for Oxford/Didcot/Cotswold Line passengers.  Not that punters from Bicester, Haddenham and High Wycombe joining already full trains will have thanked them for it.  I’ve heard reports of people joining trains at Bicester to Oxford so they could get a seat when it went back!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: didcotdean on October 17, 2018, 10:58:12
The "tweet the Manager" session of Chiltern began and ended today to apologise for the overcrowding today. They weren't without their own problems earlier this morning around Wembley.

Paddington to South Ruislip also cancelled of course ...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 11:20:23
There are now two threads running on this.....from the Electrification ongoing thread

I’m hearing reports (unconfirmed) that the pantograph was raised at 105mph in an area where it is not tentioned enough for that to happen.  There are specific rules locations where you can raise on the move at speed.

So, driver error is a possibility.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on October 17, 2018, 11:25:37
That would do it!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 11:28:01
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 11:29:35
I’ve heard reports of people joining trains at Bicester to Oxford so they could get a seat when it went back!

yep, me too today. Worth an extra 30minutes to get a seat!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 11:38:46
I’ve heard reports of people joining trains at Bicester to Oxford so they could get a seat when it went back!

yep, me too today. Worth an extra 30minutes to get a seat!
You might find you have a few more extra permanent customers using this line to London after last night/today.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 11:49:11
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.

That has come from decades of under investment. Very sad.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on October 17, 2018, 11:55:23
BBC Berkshire reporter Jack Winstanley has just tweeted:

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The first train to leave Reading station for Paddington this morning has just departed from platform 9.

I’m told they’re now in a position to run a reduced service along the line, with things beginning to get back to normal after this morning’s suspension.

https://twitter.com/jhwinstanley/status/1052512146905554944 (https://twitter.com/jhwinstanley/status/1052512146905554944)

From RTT it looks like it's 1L42 0730 Carmarthen to Paddington which left Reading at 1145, running 40 minutes late.



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 12:05:39
Looks like 802016 was the culprit. Network Rail (NR) have confirmed trains moving.

Now they'll have a further problem come this evening when all those having found their way to work try and get home if there's only the one pair of tracks still working....hopefully, people will stagger their return home, or continue to use the alternative routes...

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 12:12:48
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


No contingency plan will be able to cater for the amount traffic that goes into Paddington during the peak.  Any contingency you do have will be totally swamped and will become dangerous.

The problem is the area where the overheads come down, it’s head span construction, all the overheads are held up across all four lines by wires. When the overheads are bought down on one line it brings them down on the other three as well.  
Any train will need the overhead wires removed and then the electric train that is stranded will need rescuing.

That said, the state of the infrastructure doesn’t help.  Headspan is a cheap form of electrification


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Trowres on October 17, 2018, 12:13:29
After a brief pause at Southall, the errant 5Z65 appears to have now returned to North Pole - according to OTT it is now (12:12) approaching the depot.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on October 17, 2018, 12:15:41
From @GWRHelp on Twitter:

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A void day has been declared for season ticket holders caught up in today's disruption


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 12:22:29
I expect passenger numbers will be considerably down compared with usual, so a 2-track timetable will just about cope with numbers, provided they don’t start chucking out 5-car IET and 4-car trains instead of booked formations.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on October 17, 2018, 12:23:45
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.

That has come from decades of under investment. Very sad.

Certainly sad, and PARTIALY due to under investment.
Not entirely though IMO.
A great deal of money has been invested in electrification, without discernible gain for long distance passengers.
A great of money has been spent on the IETs. It is not just me who considers that the new fleet represents a downgrade despite all the expenditure.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on October 17, 2018, 12:28:15
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.

That has come from decades of under investment. Very sad.

Certainly sad, and PARTIALY due to under investment.
Not entirely though IMO.
A great deal of money has been invested in electrification, without discernible gain for long distance passengers.
A great of money has been spent on the IETs. It is not just me who considers that the new fleet represents a downgrade despite all the expenditure.

But this new fleet of high speed trains must be perfect ………………. they were spec'd by the DfT after all the DfT has the passengers interest at heart  ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 12:28:34
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


No contingency plan will be able to cater for the amount traffic that goes into Paddington during the peak.  Any contingency you do have will be totally swamped and will become dangerous.

The problem is the area where the overheads come down, it’s head span construction, all the overheads are held up across all four lines by wires. When the overheads are bought down on one line it brings them down on the other three as well.  
Any train will need the overhead wires removed and then the electric train that is stranded will need rescuing.

That said, the state of the infrastructure doesn’t help.  Headspan is a cheap form of electrification

I'm not talking about fleets of buses, GWR can have a contingency plan which trains, empowers and informs their staff, and provides extra resources on the ground helping their customers constructively via all channels during times of extreme disruption.

For example - the GWR Help twitter page advertises  "We are Great Western Railway, here to help 24/7" - it patently isn't, as people were tweeting & asking questions from 0500 but not receiving responses until after 0700 and there was little or no activity visible in the interim - the whole effectiveness of Twitter relies on very swift responses.

As others have noted, announcements could be made on Tube trains too - I've had the experience of emerging into Paddington to find utter chaos on numerous occasions - if information had been given on the relevant Tube lines with suggested alternatives, this could be avoided and mitigate overcrowding.


These are basic things, they should be in place as a matter of course, it doesn't require a genius.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Trowres on October 17, 2018, 12:45:03
1T53, the 12:25 Paddington-Heathrow appears to be one of the first westbound services to have run; now approaching Heathrow.

The Carmarthen-Paddington arrived, and has gone through several identity changes, suggesting some debate on what it's going to do for its westbound working; currently suggesting 1B35, the 12:45 to Swansea.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on October 17, 2018, 12:52:22
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


No contingency plan will be able to cater for the amount traffic that goes into Paddington during the peak.  Any contingency you do have will be totally swamped and will become dangerous.

The problem is the area where the overheads come down, it’s head span construction, all the overheads are held up across all four lines by wires. When the overheads are bought down on one line it brings them down on the other three as well.  
Any train will need the overhead wires removed and then the electric train that is stranded will need rescuing.

That said, the state of the infrastructure doesn’t help.  Headspan is a cheap form of electrification

I'm not talking about fleets of buses, GWR can have a contingency plan which trains, empowers and informs their staff, and provides extra resources on the ground helping their customers constructively via all channels during times of extreme disruption.

For example - the GWR Help twitter page advertises  "We are Great Western Railway, here to help 24/7" - it patently isn't, as people were tweeting & asking questions from 0500 but not receiving responses until after 0700 and there was little or no activity visible in the interim - the whole effectiveness of Twitter relies on very swift responses.

As others have noted, announcements could be made on Tube trains too - I've had the experience of emerging into Paddington to find utter chaos on numerous occasions - if information had been given on the relevant Tube lines with suggested alternatives, this could be avoided and mitigate overcrowding.


These are basic things, they should be in place as a matter of course, it doesn't require a genius.


The information is available to staff in terms of alternative routes into London. The problem is getting that information to the passenger or the way it is broadcast to the passenger.  One massive screen at stations would be handy rather than the small departures screens we’ve got, a screen where you’re not limited by the number of  characters you can use and information can be explained in a more user friendly manner.

You’ll always get some who don’t read information screens and you’ll always get some who won’t accept what they’ve been advised and expect something more straightforward and quicker.

Far point about the Underground.  Service information is broadcast at Reading and some train managers will give Tube updates so you’d think it would be a two way agreement.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 17, 2018, 13:10:29
But this new fleet of high speed trains must be perfect ………………. they were spec'd by the DfT after all the DfT has the passengers interest at heart  ::)
And that is where the problem lies. A train no one wanted and few wanted to build.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: 1st fan on October 17, 2018, 13:34:16
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington and summed it up quite aptly - electrification - a project running years late, hundreds of millions of £ overspent - brand new (allegedly) high tech trains which simply don't seem to be up to it a year after their introduction, and the whole system collapsing for (probably) 24 hours and more due to one incident.

No evidence of any contingencies for customers, and even the suggestion of going via Waterloo this morning is scuppered by signal failures.

Overpriced, overcrowded, unreliable, uncaring, unfit for purpose.

The next time people ask themselves why people prefer travelling by car, or indeed virtually any alternative to the railways, remember last night and today.


No contingency plan will be able to cater for the amount traffic that goes into Paddington during the peak.  Any contingency you do have will be totally swamped and will become dangerous.

The problem is the area where the overheads come down, it’s head span construction, all the overheads are held up across all four lines by wires. When the overheads are bought down on one line it brings them down on the other three as well.  
Any train will need the overhead wires removed and then the electric train that is stranded will need rescuing.

That said, the state of the infrastructure doesn’t help.  Headspan is a cheap form of electrification

Just heard someone from Modern Railways on Radio 4 saying essentially that.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 14:13:39
I expect passenger numbers will be considerably down compared with usual, so a 2-track timetable will just about cope with numbers, provided they don’t start chucking out 5-car IET and 4-car trains instead of booked formations.

With stock completely out of position, I doubt there'll be much of a timetable. They'll run what they can while planning to get all stock back in position for tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 17, 2018, 16:55:29
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington...

Nice of him to take time off from America's Got The Pop Factor...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 16:58:16
All four tracks now open (one restricted to diesel only), so there's a fighting chance of a reasonable evening peak service.  Trains and crew still badly displaced though, so it'll be far from perfect!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on October 17, 2018, 17:52:26
All four tracks now open (one restricted to diesel only), so there's a fighting chance of a reasonable evening peak service.  Trains and crew still badly displaced though, so it'll be far from perfect!

Yaay! Four tracks, now!

I pity the driver involved "The cost has run into millions!"
"Sorry about that."


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: RichardB on October 17, 2018, 17:59:43
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: RA on October 17, 2018, 18:26:03
Latest from Network Rail. As part of the repair work, tonight from 21:00 all lines will be blocked to electric traction between Southall and Acton West. The main lines will be closed with all trains using the relief lines. All electric only services will be cancelled unless substituted by class 165/166 units. All class 800/802 formed trains to run on diesel mode between Reading and Paddington.

For the record, the offending train last night was operated and crewed by GB Railfreight (GBRf) as they are contracted by Hitachi for all movements and testing of the units on Network Rail infrastructure prior to them being accepted into traffic.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on October 17, 2018, 18:34:49
From City A.M. http://www.cityam.com/265952/paddington-disruption-continue-into-tomorrow-network-rail

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“We have been working all day on our plan to replace the electric lines and associated equipment quickly and safely. We have been doing as much as possible away from the track, but we can only carry out repairs in earnest when trains are not running," it said.

It said work wold begin on the track at 9pm this evening to install new wires.

“The extent of the damage means we will not be able to complete our repairs in one night, so while services on Thursday morning will be significantly improved, there may still be some disruption. We advise passengers to continue to check with train operators before travelling. We apologise to passengers who have been affected by this major incident.”


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 18:45:13
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.


I'm sure we all wish Richard well, having just today been nominated for the "Smug traveller of the Year" award (sponsored by GWR) 🙂


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 18:48:05
I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.

Pleased to hear you managed to minimise the effects of the disruption, Richard.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 17, 2018, 18:51:21
Interesting comparison with a major incident in Hong Kong yesterday ::)

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Bosses on Hong Kong’s underground network, known as being one of the best in the world, were forced to issue a grovelling apology after trains ran every 12 minutes.

Owners of the MTR network have apologised for Tuesday's delays and have brought in overseas experts to determine how they occurred.

MTR have announced that they will be making fares on the network half price for a day as a way of apologising.

99.9 percent of subway trains in Hong Kong arrive on time, with trains usually running every 2-4 minutes.

According to the South China Morning Post, delays on trains are so rare, there was nothing in the handbook on how to deal with the signal failure.

Three lines were affected by the signal failures

Passengers complained of waiting up to half an hour for a train with staff resorting to switching off escalators as a way of dealing with overcrowding.

Announcements on the tannoy told passengers that they would not be charged for their journey.

Buses and taxis felt the brunt of the delays with a usual taxi journey from Mong Kok to the Eastern Harbour Tunnel taking an hour and 10 minutes compared to the usual 25 minutes.

Trams were also affected with hundreds of people queueing at stops. Queues for ferries were also considerably long.

The issue was so severe, Chief Executive of the region Carrie Lam urged employers to be considerate to those turning up late to work.

She said: “If the railway malfunction has made workers late for work….I call on employers to be considerate.”

After six hours, the network returned to normal however passengers were still warned to allow extra time to complete their journeys.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Adelante_CCT on October 17, 2018, 19:24:19
Wasn't it them or somewhere in the far East recently who issued a grovelling public apology when a service departed something like 20 seconds early


Quote
Owners of the MTR network have apologised for Tuesday's delays and have brought in overseas experts to determine how they occurred.

Certainly won't be from the UK


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: RichardB on October 17, 2018, 19:25:25
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.


I'm sure we all wish Richard well, having just today been nominated for the "Smug traveller of the Year" award (sponsored by GWR) 🙂


I'm sorry you took what I said to be "smug" - far from it, I had things to do today which all went out the window because I didn't get back until 14 30 and realising that your best option is to get away from the area and get a hotel at 21 00 was not brilliant.  I'm certainly not smug.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Trowres on October 17, 2018, 19:44:06
RichardB, your post was the first I have seen that mentions anything about rescue of the stranded trains.

Does anyone know more of the story? - some of those trains were stuck between stations...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 20:07:36
An empty 802 moving from North Pole to Bristol brought the wires down at Hanwell around 1930 last evening. Yet to hear how any evacuations happened, they can't still be on board, can they?

From an attribution viewpoint, I'm not yet clear whether the issue has into Hitachi, Great Western, Network Rail  or act-of-God origins. It may take a while to sort out - I understand (from yesterday) that there are still issues from the 2014 (was it?) issues at Dawlish of who picks up final bills.

On board - there may have been just a driver and I'm sure (s)he has long since been evacuated; I don't know if there's 'just' a tangle of wires or some more serious damage. No news (thank goodness) of anyone being hurt / rushed to hospital.



I wrote (s)he there - very interesting to learn yesterday at the GWR stakeholder conference that although the company is pressing hard in gender neutral recruitment and looking to advertise vacancies and encourage across all communities, the train driver grade remains stubbornly male dominated.  Did I hear a figure of still just 7% of train drivers being ladies?

I was on the 20 03 Pad - Ply last night.  We left on time(ish), got to just past Old Oak Common, then were taken back into Paddington.  This was 21 00 so I thought it best to cut my losses, get a hotel and try in the morning.  I know the hotels in the Ealing/Brentford area so went there by tube, stayed in the Ealing Travelodge and travelled back from Brentford via Feltham and Reading.   Smooth trip, booked time from Reading (obviously started there) and back here in Plymouth around 14 30.   Wires down an occasional (and hopefully, fingers crossed, very rare) hazard of overhead electrification.


I'm sure we all wish Richard well, having just today been nominated for the "Smug traveller of the Year" award (sponsored by GWR) 🙂


I'm sorry you took what I said to be "smug" - far from it, I had things to do today which all went out the window because I didn't get back until 14 30 and realising that your best option is to get away from the area and get a hotel at 21 00 was not brilliant.  I'm certainly not smug.

Cool your jets Richard, just a bit of tongue in cheek fun, hence the smiley.

 I'm glad you got back to Plymouth OK. I was supposed to be heading there myself today to spend a few days with my aged parents and would be there now but for the hopeless state of the railway......fingers crossed I'll make it tomorrow.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: RichardB on October 17, 2018, 20:16:40
Jets duly cooled.  Good luck tomorrow.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: didcotdean on October 17, 2018, 20:25:48
Seems the TV stoppers  will be running as split services late evening, Didcot-Reading (387) and Reading-Paddington (turbo), roughly half normal frequency.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 17, 2018, 20:42:01
Jets duly cooled.  Good luck tomorrow.

Thanks Richard.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 17, 2018, 21:35:53
One comment I did see about being stuck on an electric 387 without power....that the door open button didn't work....whether that was usual for a door failure or as a result of having no power overhead, not sure.

But there were crossed legs for sure. Should the doors fail such that they aren't locked shut but have a manual lock lever?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 17, 2018, 22:00:55
One comment I did see about being stuck on an electric 387 without power....that the door open button didn't work....whether that was usual for a door failure or as a result of having no power overhead, not sure.

But there were crossed legs for sure. Should the doors fail such that they aren't locked shut but have a manual lock lever?

Assuming we're talking toilet doors here?

If so, then if there's no power left (no juice and batteries depleted) the doors won't open - the last thing to go will be the emergency lighting.  They can be opened by hand using a certain amount of force (and then forced shut again) in an emergency, but if there's no power the toilet flush won't work either on a Class 387.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Surrey 455 on October 17, 2018, 22:04:00
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington...

Nice of him to take time off from America's Got The Pop Factor...

Would that be Simon Cowell? and Pop Idol / American Idol / [insert another awful karaoke singing TV show here]




Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: hassaanhc on October 18, 2018, 00:51:40
Update posted on GWR Journeycheck

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Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Reading
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading fewer trains are able to run on the Reading bound high speed line.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Repairs are continuing overnight on the damaged section of overhead line equipment. During Thursday 18th October it is anticipated that a near normal peak hour service will be able to operate between Reading and London Paddington. There will however be some restrictions on the use of the line from London Paddington in the Ealing Broadway area which is utilised by the express services. This will limit the use of electric trains from London Paddington during the evening peak period which will result in a small number of train service cancellations / alterations.
Last Updated:18/10/2018 00:39


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on October 18, 2018, 10:05:12
Message posted on RailUKForums a couple of hours ago by member JN114:

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1) The pantograph was raised, in a location not authorised for high speed changeover. It is unclear whether the raising of the pantograph was human error or mechanical failure.

2) When the pantograph did raise, it didn’t do so normally. The head of the pantograph remained stowed and the elbow impacted the contact wire. There is strong suggestion that the Pantograph had been tied down for its transit to the UK to Pistoria, and had not been untied for the journey to Stoke Gifford.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: patch38 on October 18, 2018, 10:16:29
Do we (they) know if the move to Stoke Gifford was supposed to be under electric traction or diesel?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on October 18, 2018, 11:32:24
Diesel. So 105 is very unlikely.

Seems someone might have forgotten their Swiss Army knife.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ChrisB on October 18, 2018, 11:33:37
I was thinking that when it was first reported.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Red Squirrel on October 18, 2018, 14:26:52
Simon Calder has just been interviewed at Paddington...

Nice of him to take time off from America's Got The Pop Factor...

Would that be Simon Cowell? and Pop Idol / American Idol / [insert another awful karaoke singing TV show here]


Red Squirrel: Sewing confusion since 2013...  :)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on October 18, 2018, 18:51:39
Message posted on RailUKForums a couple of hours ago by member JN114:

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1) The pantograph was raised, in a location not authorised for high speed changeover. It is unclear whether the raising of the pantograph was human error or mechanical failure.

2) When the pantograph did raise, it didn’t do so normally. The head of the pantograph remained stowed and the elbow impacted the contact wire. There is strong suggestion that the Pantograph had been tied down for its transit to the UK to Pistoria, and had not been untied for the journey to Stoke Gifford.


I have been briefed (in confidence) on the footage of the roof mounted Pan CCTV.

Defiantly not and infrastructure problem

There was a problem with the Pan, exactly what I am not at liberty to say; the ORR report should make interesting reading



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on October 18, 2018, 18:57:46
Interesting update, thanks for that.
Hopefully you can give more detail at some future date, perhaps when it is published elsewhere.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2018, 19:37:35
I’ve seen the same CCTV and concur.  Just two possible reasons remaining...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2018, 19:51:07
I have been briefed (in confidence) on the footage of the roof mounted Pan CCTV.

Defiantly not and infrastructure problem

There was a problem with the Pan, exactly what I am not at liberty to say; the Office of Rail and Road (ORR) report should make interesting reading

Some speculation across rail related forums and social media that the pantograph was tied down at the head end and it was the elbow that raised. Either commanded or uncommanded. Speculated to have been left tied down after transit from the factory in Italy.

However, there is YouTube footage of 802016 running with pan up at Reading on 3rd October. 802016 has been in the UK since 28th August. Hard to believe the pantograph would still be in delivery tied down status.

https://youtu.be/UDbRwfp3qio

So, had it been tied down again, and mistakenly put on test in that state and then raised accidentally, either commanded or uncommanded? Or could it be that the pan was fully operational and raised in error, again either commanded or uncommanded?

There's also some contention over the speed the train was running at. Could an 802 have reached 105mph on diesel by the time it was at the incident location?

Can those in the know confirm or deny that the pantograph head was tied down?

I too await with interest official reports. With the huge disruption caused I do hope such reports are going to be made public, and in a timely fashion. Had there been injury or a risk of injury then the RAIB would be involved and a report could take up to a year to be published. Hopefully Office of Rail and Road (ORR) and Hitachi/GB Railfreight
(GBRf) will be honest and open as soon as reasonably practicable.

Oh, and Network Rail need to get a shift on and replace the headspan OverHead -Line Equipment (OHLE) sections with portals. Headspan has been okay on the Great Western Main Line (GWML) up until recently as it was only used by Heathrow Express/Connect services. But the use is now far more intensive with Class 80x and 387 now also using this 1990s cheap headspan OverHead -Line Equipment (OHLE).

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on October 18, 2018, 20:00:52
Meanwhile...

From what I can gather from GWR's Twitter feed, for the past 30 minutes the IET on 1C27 1900 PAD-BRI has been blocking the DM at TWY (having made an extra stop there due to other cancellations) because of an apparent loss of power. RTT and OTT both appear to confirm that it's currently going nowhere.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2018, 20:13:06
Meanwhile...

From what I can gather from GWR's Twitter feed, for the past 30 minutes the IET on 1C27 1900 PAD-BRI has been blocking the DM at TWY (having made an extra stop there due to other cancellations) because of an apparent loss of power. RTT and OTT both appear to confirm that it's currently going nowhere.

Brakes stuck on and losing air.

Sounds familiar...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2018, 20:19:40
On the move again at 2012 after a Train Management System reset*.



*Driver must have called the IET Crowd:


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: paul7575 on October 18, 2018, 20:34:36
I wonder if the references to the speed of “105 mph” are just based on the typical speed reached at that particular location if accelerating away from the buffers at Paddington?

Paul


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: martyjon on October 18, 2018, 20:48:17
Meanwhile...

From what I can gather from GWR's Twitter feed, for the past 30 minutes the IET on 1C27 1900 PAD-BRI has been blocking the DM at TWY (having made an extra stop there due to other cancellations) because of an apparent loss of power. RTT and OTT both appear to confirm that it's currently going nowhere.

Computer says you should not have stopped 'ere.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on October 18, 2018, 20:50:54
Something very wrong with the software if a Special Stop Order causes the train to dump its air.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on October 18, 2018, 20:51:51
Some speculation across rail related forums and social media that the pantograph was tied down at the head end and it was the elbow that raised. Either commanded or uncommanded. Speculated to have been left tied down after transit from the factory in Italy.

However, there is YouTube footage of 802016 running with pan up at Reading on 3rd October. 802016 has been in the UK since 28th August. Hard to believe the pantograph would still be in delivery tied down status.

More to the point, that video shows 802016 on its own. Most of the 802s I've seen on test have been paired, and it was just possible a pantograph on an inner end might have been left retained. But the likelihood of it doing only one move A-B on the 3rd and otherwise always being paired when using 25kV is so low it can be deleted from the list.

There's an "after" picture of the pantograph on RailUKForums, showing the head end badly mangled, but I can't see the arm in that. That would have been the front end at the time of the incident, so unless it left Paddington on diesel (why?) it would have been raised already (at least normally, I'm sure the rear one can be raised if you want to). None of which really fits the explanations currently offered.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Incider on October 18, 2018, 22:15:13
[quote author=bignosemac link=topic=14689.msg249138#msg249138 date=1539888667

There's also some contention over the speed the train was running at. Could an 802 have reached 105mph on diesel by the time it was at the incident location? [/quote]

Whether it could or not, it hadn’t reached 105mph.

Edit - there appears to have been some quoting slip of the fingers - hope I have corrected who said what now - Grahame


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 18, 2018, 23:34:26
But it was going at way more than 20mph which would be the maximum speed to pan up at that location.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Incider on October 18, 2018, 23:47:49
But it was going at way more than 20mph which would be the maximum speed to pan up at that location.

It was, but not the widely publicised 105mph. Closer to half that.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on October 19, 2018, 18:16:34


There's also some contention over the speed the train was running at. Could an 802 have reached 105mph on diesel by the time it was at the incident location?



Whether it could or not, it hadn’t reached 105mph.

I've been miss quoted!!!!!

Edit - looks like there have indeed been some quoting errors - which I have tried to fix - Grahame
(Goodness only knows if I have got them right now - but at least I have planted a flag of caution for future readers!

Thanks Graham  ;D



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 28, 2018, 13:10:21
Here we go again.......

Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Slough
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough all lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 60 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 18:00 28/10.
Customer Advice:
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Reading all lines are closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
Since around 11:30am Sunday morning,virtually no train service has been able to operate between London Paddington and Reading in either direction owing to the damage to the overhead wires. This has led to widespread disruption with trains initially stranded in various.

The position this afternoon is that all lines remain closed between London Paddington and Slough


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on October 28, 2018, 13:13:44
Reports of some passengers taking it upon themselves to operate emergency door releases and spilling out onto the track near Ladbroke Grove.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 13:45:58
Not going to help the situation that one option for those travelling to the SW today isn’t easily available in that Waterloo to Exeter services are starting/terminating at Basingstoke due to engineering work in the Woking area.

My wife was due to travel home from London this afternoon but we’ve decided she is better off staying put and travel tomorrow. Someone reporting on uk Rail Forums that Waterloo is already busy with those arriving from Paddington.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 13:48:33
GWR now reporting signalling problems at Bristol Parkway now. For those who have to travel this afternoon I wish you all the best, it’s not looking good.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on October 28, 2018, 13:50:42
Not going to help the situation that one option for those travelling to the SW today isn’t easily available in that Waterloo to Exeter services are starting/terminating at Basingstoke due to engineering work in the Woking area.

Someone needs to tell GWR's Journeycheck team. It's currently saying
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Customers travelling to destinations in Devon and Cornwall are advised to travel via London Waterloo either to Reading or via Salisbury to interchange with West Country services at Exeter St Davids.
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
Last Updated:28/10/2018 13:41


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 13:57:52

Someone needs to tell GWR's Journeycheck team. It's currently saying
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Customers travelling to destinations in Devon and Cornwall are advised to travel via London Waterloo either to Reading or via Salisbury to interchange with West Country services at Exeter St Davids.
An update will follow within the next 2 hours.
Last Updated:28/10/2018 13:41
Agree, though technically speaking you can but need to change at either Guildford for a bus or change at Reading for a train to Basingstoke by which time you are better off staying at Reading in the hope of a GWR service to the SW showing up.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Wilf19 on October 28, 2018, 14:05:18
I'm supposed to be flying from London City this evening. I saw the disruption warning on the National Rail app and decided to catch a much earlier Taunton - Paddington train. Currently on the 13:15 Taunton to Paddington train and - so far - no announcement has been made about the disruption beyond Reading.

Just left Westbury, next stop Reading. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Of this would be the one trip I take from City rather than Bristol or Heathrow.  :-(

Fingers crossed!



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 14:08:37
I'm supposed to be flying from London City this evening. I saw the disruption warning on the National Rail app and decided to catch a much earlier Taunton - Paddington train. Currently on the 13:15 Taunton to Paddington train and - so far - no announcement has been made about the disruption beyond Reading.

Just left Westbury, next stop Reading. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Of this would be the one trip I take from City rather than Bristol or Heathrow.  :-(

Fingers crossed!
Wishing you all the best Wilf19. Almost certain your train will terminate at Reading. Head over to the Platforms for the service to Waterloo. Let us know how it goes.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2018, 14:17:57
I'm supposed to be flying from London City this evening. I saw the disruption warning on the National Rail app and decided to catch a much earlier Taunton - Paddington train. Currently on the 13:15 Taunton to Paddington train and - so far - no announcement has been made about the disruption beyond Reading.

Just left Westbury, next stop Reading. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Of this would be the one trip I take from City rather than Bristol or Heathrow.  :-(

Fingers crossed!
Wishing you all the best Wilf19. Almost certain your train will terminate at Reading. Head over to the Platforms for the service to Waterloo. Let us know how it goes.

14:51 arriving 16:23 at Waterloo or 15:21 arriving 16:59.

Or you could try 15:11 XC to Oxford, change to 15:41 Chiltern to Marylebone arriving at 16:51 if the SWR services are too packed - though they're both 10-cars which is good news.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Wilf19 on October 28, 2018, 14:29:09
Thanks for the info,  I'm ready to be quick off the mark at Reading.  When I saw the issue I caught a train 2 hours earlier than I originally planned and - me being me - I had already allowed a lot of slack in case of problems. My flight isn't until 8pm so I should make it one way or another but that could be tempting fate!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on October 28, 2018, 14:30:57
Twitter video of HEx passengers being evacuated onto the track and having to walk with their luggage to (I think) West Ealing:

https://twitter.com/SimonAnthonyR/status/1056546870540034048 (https://twitter.com/SimonAnthonyR/status/1056546870540034048)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 14:35:48
Twitter video of HEx passengers being evacuated onto the track and having to walk with their luggage to (I think) West Ealing:

https://twitter.com/SimonAnthonyR/status/1056546870540034048 (https://twitter.com/SimonAnthonyR/status/1056546870540034048)

I really hope this isn’t the future of travelling in and out of Paddington that these two incidences last week and again today aren’t connected.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on October 28, 2018, 14:55:38
I really hope this isn’t the future of travelling in and out of Paddington that these two incidences last week and again today aren’t connected.

Now I'd say that if these two incidents have a common cause, that's less of a problem - if the cause can be found and fixed. If there are two independent causes, that means two causes to find which must be harder.

Of course the second one is probably a "normal" wire break, due to wear. That's worrying as condition monitoring ought to prevent it, but no doubt there's always a residual level of failures below which it will never go, and if this is one of those it's not a new thing to worry about.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: johoare on October 28, 2018, 15:20:28
I made it as far as Slough on the 11.17 Mai to pad when everything ground to a halt.. Luckily at a station for me rather than stranded between stations like other trains. I was on my way to walk part of the capital ring which is one of my current walking projects.. Instead I made a quick change of plans and got the train to Windsor and walked back to Maidenhead from there.. I wonder if it will be sorted before tomorrow mornings commute..


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 28, 2018, 15:51:27
Hearing that Reading-Waterloo trains (in both directions) are so packed that people are unable to board and are being left behind.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2018, 15:58:51
Hearing that Reading-Waterloo trains (in both directions) are so packed that people are unable to board and are being left behind.

No surprises there!  Mind you, at least they now have 10 carriages in the main and wide platforms at Reading for passengers to circulate as best as possible.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 16:16:41
Hearing that Reading-Waterloo trains (in both directions) are so packed that people are unable to board and are being left behind.
Yup, scene at Reading station a few minutes ago:

https://twitter.com/kayles_e/status/1056579764234928128?s=21


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 16:35:59
The BBC’s take on this afternoon’s major disruption:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46003096


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CMRail on October 28, 2018, 16:36:14
I don’t think network rail will be recommending the poundland glue sticks they use to hold up the wires.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 28, 2018, 16:42:27
Hearing that Reading-Waterloo trains (in both directions) are so packed that people are unable to board and are being left behind.
Yup, scene at Reading station a few minutes ago:

https://twitter.com/kayles_e/status/1056579764234928128?s=21

It's probably only going to get worse too - anyone whose travelled from the Westcountry on a GWR cattle truck on a Sunday will know how hopelessly overcrowded they are and with everyone else added into the mix (+ luggage) and the end of the half term holidays it'll be dreadful.

At least they seem to be running some local trains as far as Maidenhead - I'd suggest anyone going to Heathrow goes there and gets a cab (if they can't get on the railair bus - if that still runs?)

Another dreadful day/advert for the railways


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: BBM on October 28, 2018, 16:46:22
Looking at RTT, it would appear that 1A22 1453 BRI-PAD has just left RDG running 12 late so presumably the line's been reopened?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightonedee on October 28, 2018, 16:52:30
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No surprises there!  Mind you, at least they now have 10 carriages in the main and wide platforms at Reading for passengers to circulate as best as possible.
{like}

The trains may have 10 coaches, but platforms 4 to 6 from which they depart are not wide. Platform 4 in particular is narrow, and doesn't cope well when a Gatwick service arrives to disgorge its luggage laden passengers into another crowd of luggage laden passengers waiting on it for the next outward bound service - these trains really ought to run from Platform 7 which is nice and spacious.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 16:54:42
Looking at RTT, it would appear that 1A22 1453 BRI-PAD has just left RDG running 12 late so presumably the line's been reopened?
Yes I think a first train is running again between Reading and Paddington. How gutted would you be if you had just managed to squeeze onto a rammed Waterloo train only to watch a train leave for Paddington.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Wilf19 on October 28, 2018, 16:59:23
I got to Reading from Taunton, no announcements made on the train at all, unless of course the system was broken in my carriage. Decided to get off the train along with everyone else and head to the Waterloo platforms. That turned to be a mistake it was a zoo, no GWR staff in-sight and only the occasional - muffled - announcement as to what was going on.

In the end I legged it to the Heathrow bus, thinking that if I could at least get to Heathrow I could ask the work travel agent to rebook me on a Heathrow flight rather than my original one from London City. Fortunately for me this is a work trip so I won’t lose out of it all goes wrong, apart from the waisted time of course.

In the end got to Heathrow at 4pm, my flight from City is at 8pm am on the Underground into London.

Not a good advert for the railways today. What really gets my goat is how the platform staff at Reading had all disappeared and basically left passengers to it. I realise that there’s Not much they they can do and they don’t want to get yelled at by angry passengers, but somebody (management?) should have been down there with a loud hailer explaining that no-one was going anywhere.

Feel sorry for folks that had leisure plans trashed by this.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 17:00:30
It's probably only going to get worse too - anyone whose travelled from the Westcountry on a GWR cattle truck on a Sunday will know how hopelessly overcrowded they are and with everyone else added into the mix (+ luggage) and the end of the half term holidays it'll be dreadful.

At least they seem to be running some local trains as far as Maidenhead - I'd suggest anyone going to Heathrow goes there and gets a cab (if they can't get on the railair bus - if that still runs?)

Another dreadful day/advert for the railways

For sure it’s been another shockingly poor day for the railways. As you say Sundays heading back to London are a challenge when things are running normally due to overcrowding. The scenes this afternoon at Reading as all these trains emptied themselves leaving passengers to try and board a train to Waterloo just adds to the misery.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2018, 17:02:30
The trains may have 10 coaches, but platforms 4 to 6 from which they depart are not wide. Platform 4 in particular is narrow, and doesn't cope well when a Gatwick service arrives to disgorge its luggage laden passengers into another crowd of luggage laden passengers waiting on it for the next outward bound service - these trains really ought to run from Platform 7 which is nice and spacious.

They are wide in comparison to the old Platforms 4a and 4b (especially at the far ends), with a reduction of clutter on the platform, such as vending machinges, which is what I was getting at.  They also have a much larger waiting area at the concourse end - the Twitter photo shows that being used to good effect.  Much better.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 28, 2018, 17:08:27

Not a good advert for the railways today. What really gets my goat is how the platform staff at Reading had all disappeared and basically left passengers to it. I realise that there’s Not much they they can do and they don’t want to get yelled at by angry passengers, but somebody (management?) should have been down there with a loud hailer explaining that no-one was going anywhere.

Feel sorry for folks that had leisure plans trashed by this.

Disappearing staff always seems to be a major failing at times of major disruption, be it at Paddington, Reading or wherever - as you say there should be managers setting an example and taking responsibility, but I'm sure there are others who, in the absence of trains running, could lend a hand.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 28, 2018, 17:17:47
I was just watching the recovery of the 'service' on Open Train Times maps after todays problems and guess what advert popped up on the TV in the background...... :P


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Timmer on October 28, 2018, 17:18:49
Looks like trains are now getting through yet GWhelp are still advising people use Waterloo services.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on October 28, 2018, 17:26:27
Yes, another very poor performance.

With this sort of thing likely to be a regular feature, there really needs to be some better contingency plans for when the wires come down.
1) require that ALL new AC electric trains have a standby energy source, either batteries or a small diesel engine.
2) provide a better walkway in the cess on busier routes to facilitate walking with luggage when this happens.
3) When GWR services are SNAFU, run extra trains from Reading to Waterloo.

Look at ways to speed up giving the authority to pass signals at danger.
For example wires down or other c0ck up, train stuck in platform.
Let passengers off, then get authority to pass signal at danger at WALKING SPEED so as to just clear the platform.
The following train that would otherwise be held at the preceding signal, can then be given permission to pull forward, unload passengers in the platform.

This would only be readily applicable on plain line, but could allow up to 3 trains to be unloaded at each platform instead of just one.

 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 28, 2018, 18:02:35
It doesn't help on a Sunday having a two track railway due to engineering work (for both maintenance and renewals).  Don't know how you could easily solve that one.

Lets hope that the work to upgrade the existing headspan areas gets more priority (and funding).


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bradshaw on October 28, 2018, 18:24:00
Copied from GWR Journey Check just now

Due to damage to the overhead electric wires earlier today between Cheltenham Spa and Swindon fewer trains are able to run.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: PhilWakely on October 28, 2018, 18:27:03
Copied from GWR Journey Check just now

Due to damage to the overhead electric wires earlier today between Cheltenham Spa and Swindon fewer trains are able to run.

Didn't realise that there were overhead electric wires between Cheltenham Spa and Swindon  ;)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Puffing Billy on October 28, 2018, 19:15:54
The information desk at Reading was conspicuously empty around 1300 today. In addition, the display boards are quite unhelpful when  it comes to anything other than a specific delay or cancellation. Could not the "Delayed" indication be followed by an optional line to say e.g. "Delayed between XXXX and XXXX"? Seeing the 1335 to Taunton "delayed", I assumed it had been stuck in the affected location and therefore might not arrive for hours, so I made the snap decision to make a beeline for the 1309 Swansea service and got reasonable connections at Swindon and Bristol TM. But they must have known sometime in advance that the train was not coming from London in the first place and instead would be started from Reading, so it would be helpful if they could say so.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: YouKnowNothing on October 28, 2018, 19:24:19

Is the head span system due to be replaced? The 2 track issue goes back to my previous post about when will PAX be expecting to see a weekend without renewal or maintenance work going on?

It doesn't help on a Sunday having a two track railway due to engineering work (for both maintenance and renewals).  Don't know how you could easily solve that one.

Lets hope that the work to upgrade the existing headspan areas gets more priority (and funding).


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightonedee on October 28, 2018, 19:26:17
Quote
They are wide in comparison to the old Platforms 4a and 4b (especially at the far ends), with a reduction of clutter on the platform, such as vending machinges, which is what I was getting at.  They also have a much larger waiting area at the concourse end - the Twitter photo shows that being used to good effect.  Much better.

As someone who uses these platforms almost daily during the week to commute, and have done so since 2001, I am not impressed. "Less clutter" means fewer seats -actually now benches - and an inadequate roof that's too high to provide shelter.

The former adequate platform signage was replaced by new smaller dot-matrix signs that are so far apart that even my quite good distance vision struggles to read when on much of the platform, compounded by the ones at the inner ends being half hidden behind a transverse beam, with the added problem that the curve on platform 5 means you cannot even see all the width of the half-hidden screen.

Yes, there is a little more room at the inner end of the platforms, but this doesn't seem to done much to alleviate the crush shown in the pictures of today's problems.

When the reconstruction was underway, a member of staff told me not to worry, once the project was complete Gatwick trains would depart from the main platforms, which bearing in mind that we the taxpayers kindly spent (I guess) £100,000s on reopening the underpass seemed credible. However, we end up with those the industry is (presumably) trying to encourage to use this service having to struggle all the way down the length of platform 7 with their luggage, and if they have the misfortune to have a platform 4 departure experiencing the problem referred to in my last post. Even if they have a platform 5 or 6 departure, until recently early evening departures were often on a Turbo parked behind another adding further to the distance the poor traveler had to haul their luggage.

Sadly, these are just some of the poorly thought out (from the passenger's point of view) ergonomic details that spoil the experience of using the new station, taking the edge off a project that was completed on time and within budget in a very challenging location. Perhaps there's a new thread looming here - Improving the Reading experience? - where issues such as the dreadful signage and inconvenient platform allocation and use, could be aired!

 

 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: onthecushions on October 28, 2018, 21:24:50
All through the 90's and 00's I travelled daily under the HEx wires and can't recall them ever coming down. Headspans seemed to work fine when competently maintained within their performance envelope.

What are they poking up into the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) these days?

OTC


Edit: VickiS - Clarifying acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Incider on October 28, 2018, 22:01:04

All through the 90's and 00's I travelled daily under the HEx wires and can't recall them ever coming down. Headspans seemed to work fine when competently maintained within their performance envelope.

What are they poking up into the OLE these days?

OTC

A 387 today.......   
 For years the wires only had light use, now the 387’s and 800’s are causing a significant increase in wear and tear.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: sikejsudjek3 on October 28, 2018, 22:45:57
Not surprised the staff disappear when anything goes wrong, their managing director is leading from the front in this respect... ::)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 28, 2018, 22:55:03
As someone who uses these platforms almost daily during the week to commute, and have done so since 2001, I am not impressed. "Less clutter" means fewer seats -actually now benches - and an inadequate roof that's too high to provide shelter.

Yes, there is a little more room at the inner end of the platforms, but this doesn't seem to done much to alleviate the crush shown in the pictures of today's problems.

I take your points about signage and so on, but the following two photos show the much better passenger flow that is now achieved - as you say a few benches have since been added, but nothing like the clutter that was there before with vending machines, trolley stacks and awkwardly placed seating (as well as, not in the picture, the old ticket check booth which got right in the way with everyone having to funnel into almost single file).  And the canopy was doubled in length, even if maybe not the perfect design.  I dread to think how 4a and 4b as was would have managed with today's number of passengers.



Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on October 29, 2018, 05:50:48
Not surprised the staff disappear when anything goes wrong, their managing director is leading from the front in this respect... ::)


…….but surely in order to disappear, firstly you have to appear?  ;)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on October 29, 2018, 07:52:58
As someone who uses these platforms almost daily during the week to commute, and have done so since 2001, I am not impressed. "Less clutter" means fewer seats -actually now benches - and an inadequate roof that's too high to provide shelter.

Yes, there is a little more room at the inner end of the platforms, but this doesn't seem to done much to alleviate the crush shown in the pictures of today's problems.

I take your points about signage and so on, but the following two photos show the much better passenger flow that is now achieved - as you say a few benches have since been added, but nothing like the clutter that was there before with vending machines, trolley stacks and awkwardly placed seating (as well as, not in the picture, the old ticket check booth which got right in the way with everyone having to funnel into almost single file).  And the canopy was doubled in length, even if maybe not the perfect design.  I dread to think how 4a and 4b as was would have managed with today's number of passengers.


Yes.  And before that the single, very exposed and narrow Platform 4A.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on October 29, 2018, 12:52:07
All through the 90's and 00's I travelled daily under the HEx wires and can't recall them ever coming down. Headspans seemed to work fine when competently maintained within their performance envelope.
What are they poking up into the OLE these days?
OTC

Exploding pigeons ?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on October 30, 2018, 06:56:32

Is the head span system due to be replaced? The 2 track issue goes back to my previous post about when will PAX be expecting to see a weekend without renewal or maintenance work going on?

It doesn't help on a Sunday having a two track railway due to engineering work (for both maintenance and renewals).  Don't know how you could easily solve that one.

Lets hope that the work to upgrade the existing headspan areas gets more priority (and funding).


I feel you will always see sections of the 4 track between Reading and Padd closed on Sundays for maintenance / renewals, week day and weekend nights just do not give enough time.



All through the 90's and 00's I travelled daily under the HEx wires and can't recall them ever coming down. Headspans seemed to work fine when competently maintained within their performance envelope.

What are they poking up into the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) these days?

OTC

A 387 today.......  
 For years the wires only had light use, now the 387’s and 800’s are causing a significant increase in wear and tear.

There have been a few incidents involving the Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE) but as this used to only effect HEX and Connect most GWR passengers never noticed.

Even with the low number of trains that used the first 12 miles originally in the last years gaining access to maintain the OLE in amongst the upgrade works would not have been easy, also the Route may have decided not to renew certain items due to planned project work.


Also lets bare in mined the rip down the other week was not due to and OLE defect, it was caused by a train, I don't know what Sundays event was caused by it could be Over-Head Line Equipment (OHLE), train or a bird strike (not birds are not members of the RMT  ;D  )

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 30, 2018, 08:30:40
I heard on Sunday it was failure of a cross-span wire on the side of the structure where it connects to the counterweights.  That caused everything, including the contacts wires, to sag.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightonedee on October 31, 2018, 10:11:21
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Quote from: eightonedee on October 28, 2018, 07:26:17 pm
As someone who uses these platforms almost daily during the week to commute, and have done so since 2001, I am not impressed. "Less clutter" means fewer seats -actually now benches - and an inadequate roof that's too high to provide shelter.

Yes, there is a little more room at the inner end of the platforms, but this doesn't seem to done much to alleviate the crush shown in the pictures of today's problems.

I take your points about signage and so on, but the following two photos show the much better passenger flow that is now achieved - as you say a few benches have since been added, but nothing like the clutter that was there before with vending machines, trolley stacks and awkwardly placed seating (as well as, not in the picture, the old ticket check booth which got right in the way with everyone having to funnel into almost single file).  And the canopy was doubled in length, even if maybe not the perfect design.  I dread to think how 4a and 4b as was would have managed with today's number of passengers.

Point also taken that there is some more room, and what was a bad experience might have been worse, but the passenger experience, especially for the unfortunate ones who have done the right thing and decided to go to Gatwick by train via Reading remains poor. If II has colleagues who decide such things, please try to persuade them to put Gatwick semi-fasts on parts of the station that are convenient for lifts, changing platforms, etc etc. I fear that someone may have a mind set that still thinks these are Southern Region trains that should use Southern Region platforms!

Even with the greater capacity, it is also clear that Reading remains a difficult interchange for large numbers of passengers when GWL closes east of Reading. Platforms 4-6 struggle with regular peaks during Royal Ascot and Welsh Rugby internationals at Twickenham, when special control arrangements are put in place. Presumably any use of the two connecting lines is stymied by capacity issues, train types not being cleared for use and the two different types of electricity supply.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on October 31, 2018, 13:27:34
If II has colleagues who decide such things, please try to persuade them to put Gatwick semi-fasts on parts of the station that are convenient for lifts, changing platforms, etc etc. I fear that someone may have a mind set that still thinks these are Southern Region trains that should use Southern Region platforms!

I think it's more a case of operational resiliance. You make a fair point that platform 7 has periods where it has quite large gaps in services, but there are fairly sound reasons why the majority use 4, 5 or 6.

1)  Ideally you would want to avoid putting anything other than through services into through platforms, and most of the Gartick/Redhill services have layovers of between 10-15 minutes. 

2)  When a train to Gatwick departing from platform 7 (or 8, 9 or 10) it blocks all arrivals from the Down Main Line whilst it heads to and through Reading New Junction.

3)  Both departures and arrivals take longer to get from 7, 8, 9 or 10 to Reading Spur Junction with its 25mph speed restriction.

4)  You can't get to or from Gatwick from platforms 11 or 12.

5)  In the case of platforms 13, 14 an 15 they are already pretty well used.  If you use platform 15 you restrict the abillity for freight as well as the current xx:03 and xx:33 departures to Paddington that use it for most of the day clashing with the Gatwick/Redhill departure times of xx:04 and xx:32. 

6)  13 and 14 are slightly less used currently, but either one is generally occupied from around xx:08 to xx:18 and xx:38 to xx:48, with usually a XC service every other hour occupying the 'B' end of either platform from xx:08 to xx:45.  That does give a little scope to put anything up to 5-cars in the 'A' end of one of the platforms at the times the Gatwicks/Redhill's would occupy them, but doesn't solve the problem with departure times clashing with those stoppers to Paddington from 15 which can't both depart at the same time.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on November 05, 2018, 15:21:36
I feel you will always see sections of the 4 track between Reading and Padd closed on Sundays for maintenance / renewals, week day and weekend nights just do not give enough time.

25 years ago, when there hardly any trains to be had on any Sunday, it didn't matter so much.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 07, 2018, 07:22:59
Alterations to services between Ealing Broadway and West Ealing


Due to a speed restriction over defective track between Ealing Broadway and West Ealing fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards Reading.
Train services running through these stations may be delayed or running non stop between London Paddington and Southall. Disruption is expected until 10:30 07/11.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on November 12, 2018, 06:36:19
Due to a broken down train between Slough and Hayes & Harlington the line is blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed. Disruption is expected until 07:15 12/11.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on November 17, 2018, 09:51:41
Wot no entries since Monday 12th.  :o

Is this a record?  :)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on November 17, 2018, 09:54:01
Wot no entries since Monday 12th.  :o

Is this a record?  :)

Dunno - but it's a post that might be asking for trouble ...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on November 22, 2018, 20:11:57
Wot no entries since Monday 12th.  :o

Is this a record?  :)

Dunno - but it's a post that might be asking for trouble ...


I suppose I should post this for the record ...

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A fault with the signalling system between Southall and London Paddington is causing disruption to and from London Paddington. Trains may be cancelled, delayed by up to 25 minutes or revised.
A normal service is expected to resume by 21:00.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eightf48544 on November 23, 2018, 10:22:54
Not a bad run all the same. 13th to 21st.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 23, 2018, 10:31:17
Not a bad run all the same. 13th to 21st.

The inner Thames Valley infrastructure, where most of the problems seemed to lie, does seem to be generally more reliable recently.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: ellendune on November 23, 2018, 13:21:33
Not a bad run all the same. 13th to 21st.

The inner Thames Valley infrastructure, where most of the problems seemed to lie, does seem to be generally more reliable recently.

Is that because the crossrail team is not doing as much work to it and around it?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: dviner on November 25, 2018, 00:24:39
Really, it was from the 7th, as the 12th was a train failure...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on November 27, 2018, 07:26:31
Due to an operational incident between Slough and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 09:00 27/11.
Customer Advice:
Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.
London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: NickB on November 27, 2018, 07:29:42
Derailment on the Relief line at Hayes and Harrington, according to our TM.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 07:48:07
I'm stuck between Hayes & Southall. The word is a driver went through a red signal & train derailed near West Ealing.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on November 27, 2018, 07:53:58
TfL rail have tweeted that it's an empty passenger service that has derailed.
Lots of ire directed at GWR and their 'operational incident'.

[ Also reports of a lineside fire near Southall overnight ]


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on November 27, 2018, 08:19:11
Fire was at West Coast's Southall depot.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2018, 08:22:04
It was an empty train leaving West Ealing sidings.  Went past a red light and derailed on catch points.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on November 27, 2018, 08:35:28
TfL rail have tweeted that it's an empty passenger service that has derailed.
Lots of ire directed at GWR and their 'operational incident'.

[ Also reports of a lineside fire near Southall overnight ]

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Cancellations to services between Slough and London Paddington

Following an operational incident between Slough and London Paddington the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping has now reopened.

Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/11.

Customer Advice

Underground services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

London Buses are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 08:50:01
Fire was at West Coast's Southall depot.

I had plenty of time to observe the aftermath this morning whilst stationary due to the derailment! Looks like one of the old carriages in their sidings was completely gutted.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bradshaw on November 27, 2018, 09:01:25
https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1067340871799119872?s=21

Pictures tweeted by Network Rail (NR)

Edit: VickiS - Clarifying Acronym


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on November 27, 2018, 10:52:11
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Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/11.

Update

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Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 18:00 27/11.

Last Updated:27/11/2018 10:16


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 27, 2018, 10:58:57
It was an empty train leaving West Ealing sidings.  Went past a red light and derailed on catch points.

Now then II.  Catch Points derail a train running back in the wrong direction and are usually fitted where there are steep gradients (but mostly gone now due to the removal of unfitted freight trains).  Trap Points deliberately derail a train in the forward direction..... :o


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 11:00:42
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Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 11:00 27/11.

Update

Quote
Train services running to and from these stations are returning to normal but some services may still be cancelled, delayed by up to 45 minutes or revised. Acton Main Line will not be served. Disruption is expected until 18:00 27/11.

Last Updated:27/11/2018 10:16

So both rush hours crocked. Wonder what the driver involved has got to say for himself?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2018, 12:59:05
Now then II.  Catch Points derail a train running back in the wrong direction and are usually fitted where there are steep gradients (but mostly gone now due to the removal of unfitted freight trains).  Trap Points deliberately derail a train in the forward direction..... :o

 :-*

So both rush hours crocked. Wonder what the driver involved has got to say for himself?

Knowing the driver concerned, who’s a thoroughly nice chap, I expect he will be absolutely gutted that he made a mistake.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 13:34:50
Now then II.  Catch Points derail a train running back in the wrong direction and are usually fitted where there are steep gradients (but mostly gone now due to the removal of unfitted freight trains).  Trap Points deliberately derail a train in the forward direction..... :o

 :-*

So both rush hours crocked. Wonder what the driver involved has got to say for himself?

Knowing the driver concerned, who’s a thoroughly nice chap, I expect he will be absolutely gutted that he made a mistake.

.....one would hope not as gutted as the aforementioned West Coast carriage.

Disruption now forecast to be over by 1430, which is better news.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: charles_uk on November 27, 2018, 14:38:51
Disruption now forecast to be over by 1430, which is better news.

And less encouragingly, now 16:30 though actual disruption being reported on JourneyCheck does seem minimal.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on November 27, 2018, 15:33:26
Disruption now forecast to be over by 1430, which is better news.

And less encouragingly, now 16:30 though actual disruption being reported on JourneyCheck does seem minimal.

Hmmm ... Can't help wondering if this (and earlier cancellations) are from the same "operational incident" ... looks like 2 diagrams not running in the evening peak.

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19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46
19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46 will be cancelled.
This is due to an operational incident.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: bobm on November 27, 2018, 15:43:25
Disruption now forecast to be over by 1430, which is better news.

And less encouragingly, now 16:30 though actual disruption being reported on JourneyCheck does seem minimal.

Hmmm ... Can't help wondering if this (and earlier cancellations) are from the same "operational incident" ... looks like 2 diagrams not running in the evening peak.

Quote
19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46
19:52 Reading to London Paddington due 20:46 will be cancelled.
This is due to an operational incident.

Trains are being talked past one signal on the up relief so it may be a case of thinning out the service to reduce overall delays.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 16:13:28
.......delays now back to 1830!


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: CMRail on November 27, 2018, 16:40:32
A massive moan on twitter this morning, some blaming GWR as a company for their mistake, others thinking GWR are responsible for running the tracks and signalling.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on November 27, 2018, 17:58:31
https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1067340871799119872?s=21

Pictures tweeted by NR


As this is a electric traction unit ……….. you could say the unit has a earth fault  ;D

Derailment like this don't happen too often these days, used to be quite common in BR days. 

Whilst this will lead to some disruption to passengers due to the unit not being available (for a while) at least the railways safety system protected everyone for serious injury … or worse.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 18:02:40
A massive moan on twitter this morning, some blaming GWR as a company for their mistake, others thinking GWR are responsible for running the tracks and signalling.

It would appear that GWR's Driver is responsible, and GWR are accountable...………...but no doubt the bruvvers are marshalling already to blame the management, the Government, the weather and anyone/thing else who springs to mind.

"Massive moans" are hardly surprising from those who are delayed and inconvenienced (once again) by the chaotic nature of our railways...…………..but I'm sure you didn't mean that in a deprecating way towards its customers?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 27, 2018, 18:06:09
A massive moan on twitter this morning, some blaming GWR as a company for their mistake, others thinking GWR are responsible for running the tracks and signalling.

It would appear that GWR's Driver is responsible, and GWR are accountable...………...but no doubt the bruvvers are marshalling already to blame the management, the Government, the weather and anyone/thing else who springs to mind.

"Massive moans" are hardly surprising from those who are delayed and inconvenienced (once again) by the chaotic nature of our railways...…………..but I'm sure you didn't mean that in a deprecating way towards its customers?

Thats a bit unfair TG.  We don't yet know the facts behind the derailment (there could be several reasons not of the drivers making).  When carrying out investigations into such incidents you are always taught 'never assume anything'.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on November 27, 2018, 18:23:17
A massive moan on twitter this morning, some blaming GWR as a company for their mistake, others thinking GWR are responsible for running the tracks and signalling.

It would appear that GWR's Driver is responsible, and GWR are accountable...………...but no doubt the bruvvers are marshalling already to blame the management, the Government, the weather and anyone/thing else who springs to mind.

"Massive moans" are hardly surprising from those who are delayed and inconvenienced (once again) by the chaotic nature of our railways...…………..but I'm sure you didn't mean that in a deprecating way towards its customers?

Thats a bit unfair TG.  We don't yet know the facts behind the derailment (there could be several reasons not of the drivers making).  When carrying out investigations into such incidents you are always taught 'never assume anything'.

That's why I said "It would appear", rather than presenting it as a fact, but I do look forward to a statement from GWR confirming all the facts and what caused the SPAD.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 27, 2018, 19:22:15
The root cause was driver error, but of course there are likely to be mitigating factors, such as familiarity with that signalling move, training, the weather, the location of the signals and method of signalling, the amount of rest the driver had before starting work, how long they’d driven before the incident, the last time they’d had something to eat and so on and so on.  The driver would also have been screened for alcohol and drugs. 

The SPAD review will be both thorough and fair and if any lessons are to be learned they will be.  The RAIB will also determine what, if any, involvement they will have.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on November 27, 2018, 22:44:07
The root cause was driver error, but of course there are likely to be mitigating factors, such as familiarity with that signalling move, training, the weather, the location of the signals and method of signalling, the amount of rest the driver had before starting work, how long they’d driven before the incident, the last time they’d had something to eat and so on and so on.  The driver would also have been screened for alcohol and drugs. 

The SPAD review will be both thorough and fair and if any lessons are to be learned they will be.  The RAIB will also determine what, if any, involvement they will have.

Totally agree, i know how through these type of investigations are, the railway industry is constantly holding investigations into what some would say are minor events, although this is not minor but its not major either.


If anyone is concerned about how safe the railways are then compare the railways with this sad event - https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/bus-driver-who-killed-two-people-in-sainsburys-crash-spared-jail-and-midland-red-fined-2-3m-10141/ (https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/bus-driver-who-killed-two-people-in-sainsburys-crash-spared-jail-and-midland-red-fined-2-3m-10141/)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: a-driver on November 28, 2018, 07:03:57
The root cause was driver error, but of course there are likely to be mitigating factors, such as familiarity with that signalling move, training, the weather, the location of the signals and method of signalling, the amount of rest the driver had before starting work, how long they’d driven before the incident, the last time they’d had something to eat and so on and so on.  The driver would also have been screened for alcohol and drugs. 

The SPAD review will be both thorough and fair and if any lessons are to be learned they will be.  The RAIB will also determine what, if any, involvement they will have.

Totally agree, i know how through these type of investigations are, the railway industry is constantly holding investigations into what some would say are minor events, although this is not minor but its not major either.


If anyone is concerned about how safe the railways are then compare the railways with this sad event - https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/bus-driver-who-killed-two-people-in-sainsburys-crash-spared-jail-and-midland-red-fined-2-3m-10141/ (https://leamingtonobserver.co.uk/news/bus-driver-who-killed-two-people-in-sainsburys-crash-spared-jail-and-midland-red-fined-2-3m-10141/)

All SPAD data is publicly available with a list of all SPAD's on the UK railway network since January 1985.  Nationally, this year, there has been about 260 Cat A SPADs. A Cat A's is generally down to driver error, low rail adhesion etc.  Of those 260 around 3 were deemed potentially severe in that it could have caused a collision.  The one at West Ealing yesterday would be deemed 'low risk'.  It was low speed in a siding, the train was derailed on a trap sending the train away from the mainline as it is designed to do.  Most SPAD's will go unnoticed by the travelling public, and that's not because they are covered up, nothing is covered up unlike they were in BR days.  Everything today is logged, the signalling equipment can be downloaded, there's CCTV and there's on train data recorders.  Most will go unnoticed because on a mainline a safety system will apply the trains brakes and bring the train to a stand probably nearly always within the safety overlap of a signal.  If a SPAD occurs then the train will be terminated at the next station and the driver will not be allowed to go any futher.  That will happen if you SPAD by 1cm or 1mile, they are all treated and investigation in the same manner.  If you activate a train safety system because the system thinks you will SPAD. ie. You're approaching a red signal too fast, even if you stops you before the red signal, you will still be investigated and as a driver, you will be grilled.  The outcome can be a formal warning, complete retraining, attending human factors courses, counselling right through to being sacked.   
What caused most of the disruption at West Ealing was a signalling cable was cut by the derailed train and, in order to rerail it, they needed to isolate the overheard power lines.  If the train hadn't been derailed there would have been no disruption as a result of it. 
260 Cat A sounds a lot, obviously you aim for 0 but drivers are human, they will make mistakes.  When you look at how many trains are operated nationally, both freight and passenger, 260 is a tiny percentage.  And, as with any incident on the railway, lessons are learnt and if procedures can be changed to prevent it happening again, they will.  Fatigue is one of the main things they look at.  Companies use a fatigue index calculator when it comes to rostering but if you work a lot of overtime you can easily breach it and you will get told so along with a polite suggestion to say you might want to think about taking your next rest days off.
Ultimately, we are all human, we will make mistakes and it only takes a loss of concentration for a few seconds, distracted by something out of course and you've got a possible incident... the Swiss cheese model.  This is why we have safety systems as a backup, rarely needed, but they are there and, we've extensive and regular assessments, that's why we operate the safest railway system in the world. 


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Lee on November 28, 2018, 08:30:48
Thanks for that, a-driver - It's really useful to have all of that information clearly explained in one place.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 28, 2018, 14:23:21
Agree with all a-driver says.  However, one lesson that has not been learnt from previous incidents - going back years - is not to put S&T cabinets, cables, electrification masts etc behind buffer stops and in the line of trap points.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on November 28, 2018, 16:08:04
Agree with all a-driver says.  However, one lesson that has not been learnt from previous incidents - going back years - is not to put S&T cabinets, cables, electrification masts etc behind buffer stops and in the line of trap points.

Easy to say, easy to ask for not always easy to achieve given the available real estate to place such items.

There will always inevitably be some signalling, electrification assets in such areas, isolating the OLE is one thing that cannot be avoided and whilst section insulators and insulated overlaps are place to separate sidings and diverging lines there are again places where ideal placement cannot be achieved.


Having worked on many HazId / HazOp panels the consequences against likelihood often produce a low risk; once in 25 years does not warrant a expenditure to avoid the risk


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on November 28, 2018, 16:47:33
Yes, clearly the high cost of putting in trap points is justified by mitigating the potential consequences of a SPAD.  However, it may be that only a modest cost is involved in, say, moving the cable troughs a few metres.   And at Padd was there really no other option than to locate the trap points and OHLE mast (I don't know which was there first) such that the low speed SPAD in P1A by the ECS Turbo a couple of years ago brought down half the wires and caused huge disruption?

With new installations/schemes there may be no or minimal costs involved in keeping S&T and OHLE clear of trap points.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Dispatch Box on November 28, 2018, 17:42:13
Agree with all a-driver says.  However, one lesson that has not been learnt from previous incidents - going back years - is not to put S&T cabinets, cables, electrification masts etc behind buffer stops and in the line of trap points.

That is true, They did just that in the 1960,s When Reading Panel was built, Some where by Goring they built a relay room at the end of a siding. In 1975 a light engine was signalled onto it, only that the driver thought he was on the relief line, only to smash through the stop block and into the relay room, It caused mayhem to a section of automatic signalling and my father was called to work at 4.20 in the morning to attend, When the signalman had a section of his panel suddenly turn all red. The section was hand signalled for about 4 weeks to allow for the room to be rebuilt.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on November 28, 2018, 18:22:24
Yes, clearly the high cost of putting in trap points is justified by mitigating the potential consequences of a SPAD.  However, it may be that only a modest cost is involved in, say, moving the cable troughs a few metres.   And at Padd was there really no other option than to locate the trap points and OHLE mast (I don't know which was there first) such that the low speed SPAD in P1A by the ECS Turbo a couple of years ago brought down half the wires and caused huge disruption?

With new installations/schemes there may be no or minimal costs involved in keeping S&T and OHLE clear of trap points.


Not always that simple, the moving of it may but it closer to an open main running line and putting staff at risk when maintaining it or mean blocking the line to maintain it


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on November 30, 2018, 17:29:50
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between West Drayton and Slough trains have to run at reduced speed on some lines towards Slough.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes. Disruption is expected until 18:15 30/11.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on November 30, 2018, 17:53:49
It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on November 30, 2018, 18:31:36
It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.

Yeah ... on 1B69.  17:45 off Paddington then crawl and wrong line.  Currently 12 minutes late and with a 5 minute 'connection' at Swindon for Melksham - arrive 18:43 leave 18:48.    Me thinks I may be stuck there until after 8 O'Clock ...


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on November 30, 2018, 18:39:44
It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.

Down main was open, but restricted to 20mph for electric trains (linespeed for diesel) unti examination has taken place.  Problem caused by an ADD (Automatic Dropping Device) activation on a Paddington-Swansea train, so might be spurious rather than any actual damage, but obviously needs to be checked and a line block has been taken whilst that is undertaken.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on November 30, 2018, 19:17:50
It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.

Yeah ... on 1B69.  17:45 off Paddington then crawl and wrong line.  Currently 12 minutes late and with a 5 minute 'connection' at Swindon for Melksham - arrive 18:43 leave 18:48.    Me thinks I may be stuck there until after 8 O'Clock ...

Yep ... missed by a few minutes ... especially irritating because the 18:48 sits as Westbury for 10 minutes, and is timed for 75 mph stock I believe, but running with 90 m.p.h. stock.   Wouldn't have got in the way of the Bristolian tonight as that's 10 minutes late too ...

If 5 minute connections at Swindon drop like flies ... perhaps it's time to allow longer there for connections.  Or time to make the incoming trains a bit more punctual  ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Surrey 455 on November 30, 2018, 22:31:48
It seems the down main is closed in the affected section. I'm crawling along the relief on 1W02, at least since the Ealing area to Slough.

Yeah ... on 1B69.  17:45 off Paddington then crawl and wrong line.  Currently 12 minutes late and with a 5 minute 'connection' at Swindon for Melksham - arrive 18:43 leave 18:48.    Me thinks I may be stuck there until after 8 O'Clock ...

Yep ... missed by a few minutes ... especially irritating because the 18:48 sits as Westbury for 10 minutes, and is timed for 75 mph stock I believe, but running with 90 m.p.h. stock.   Wouldn't have got in the way of the Bristolian tonight as that's 10 minutes late too ...

If 5 minute connections at Swindon drop like flies ... perhaps it's time to allow longer there for connections.  Or time to make the incoming trains a bit more punctual  ;D

Just out of interest, what do you do Graham, when you have a lengthy wait for your next train? Find a pub? Watch a film? Play football with other passengers? something else?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on November 30, 2018, 22:48:13
Just out of interest, what do you do Graham, when you have a lengthy wait for your next rain? Find a pub? Watch a film? Play football with other passengers? something else?

My laptop is my mobile office.   You will find a post tomorrow that was written on the ffreezing platform at Chippenham tonight (I split the wait between Swindon and Chippenham).   And a good chance to think, chat, look around in research.

What's a "pub"?  ;D


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 01, 2018, 12:34:15
Just out of interest, what do you do Graham, when you have a lengthy wait for your next rain? Find a pub? Watch a film? Play football with other passengers? something else?

My laptop is my mobile office.   You will find a post tomorrow that was written on the ffreezing platform at Chippenham tonight (I split the wait between Swindon and Chippenham).   And a good chance to think, chat, look around in research.

What's a "pub"?  ;D


Why freeze? could you not have used a waiting room.

Now a sensible question?, If a contractor damages signalling equipment not part of the job they are doing, then I assume Network Rail bills them for it.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on December 01, 2018, 15:45:50
Why freeze? could you not have used a waiting room.

Well ...

Long wait on Chippenham Station. As it got colder, the gate line staff went off duty leaving the station unmanned, and asked me to leave the warmth of the waiting room so they could lock it up.   Ironic situation that the waiting room is closed at the colder time of day and when the gaps between trains are longer, isn't it?

I took the view that standing my ground and creating a scene wasn't appropriate.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: rogerw on December 01, 2018, 17:49:49
In my opinion Chippenham should not be left un-staffed that early in the evening, particularly on a Friday


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 01, 2018, 19:22:22
Why freeze? could you not have used a waiting room.

Well ...

Long wait on Chippenham Station. As it got colder, the gate line staff went off duty leaving the station unmanned, and asked me to leave the warmth of the waiting room so they could lock it up.   Ironic situation that the waiting room is closed at the colder time of day and when the gaps between trains are longer, isn't it?

I took the view that standing my ground and creating a scene wasn't appropriate.


I Took the view that Chippenham was a large important station and would have dispatch staff present, so waiting rooms would be open until midnight.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on December 02, 2018, 07:09:05
In my opinion Chippenham should not be left un-staffed that early in the evening, particularly on a Friday

I Took the view that Chippenham was a large important station and would have dispatch staff present, so waiting rooms would be open until midnight.

Follow up at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=20776.0 - that's a new thread for "Transport Scholars" only as I want to avoid raising concerns in public when someone "in the know" may be able to re-assure me that I should not be concerned.

Transport Scholars is open and available to any member of the forum on request.  We discuss things there at a deeper and hopefully dispassionate level.   Post volume is not high there, but the quality of the discussions is very high.  If you are a member not in that area, but would like to be, please ask me via personal message or email.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Electric train on December 02, 2018, 07:55:12
Now a sensible question?, If a contractor damages signalling equipment not part of the job they are doing, then I assume Network Rail bills them for it.

Basically yes, although like all claims if a contractor denies they caused the fault it can get very contractual.  Its not usually the first tier, principle contractor, that causes problems but the second or third tier sub contractors, although the first tier is the one that holds the liability with NR


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 03, 2018, 13:47:08
Now a sensible question?, If a contractor damages signalling equipment not part of the job they are doing, then I assume Network Rail bills them for it.

Basically yes, although like all claims if a contractor denies they caused the fault it can get very contractual.  Its not usually the first tier, principle contractor, that causes problems but the second or third tier sub contractors, although the first tier is the one that holds the liability with NR

Thanks for the reply. Making me mad at the moment is those sticky things on the top of Tetley tea bags, they never seem to stick again. So if a firm does that they do get billed.
I Don't suppose there is anything signal related that costs 4.99.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on December 04, 2018, 06:46:09
Due to a fault with the signalling system between Bedwyn and Newbury fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running through these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:00 04/12.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on December 04, 2018, 08:26:32
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Slough fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled or delayed by up to 60 minutes. Disruption is expected until 11:00 04/12.
Customer Advice:
A power trip is affecting the overhead cables at Hayes & Harlington. Network Rail engineers have turned off the power until the problem can be rectified.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on December 12, 2018, 08:52:28
Due to a problem currently under investigation at Reading fewer trains are able to run.
Impact:
Train services running through this station may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 09:45 12/12.

Edit: Unfortunately this is now updated to read:
Due to a person being hit by a train at Reading fewer trains are able to run.
Edit2: Disruption now until 12:00


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 12, 2018, 11:23:29
Cancellations to services between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington
Due to failure of the electricity supply between Hayes & Harlington and London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines towards London Paddington bound local stopping.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 12:15 12/12.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 13, 2018, 12:33:23
Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington
Due to a points failure between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington the line towards Reading bound local stopping is closed.
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 13:30 13/12.
Last Updated:13/12/2018 12:29


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Jason on December 17, 2018, 09:18:33
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 17/12.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 17, 2018, 19:41:25
Due to damage to the overhead electric wires between London Paddington and Hayes & Harlington all lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running to and from these stations may be cancelled, delayed by up to 30 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:15 17/12.

We always seem to be getting this?. Crikey, must be costing Network Rail (NR) a fortune.

Edit: VickiS - clarifying Acronyms


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 17, 2018, 20:27:08
Most instances are resolved pretty quickly, and without causing much disruption.  In this case a simple reset did the trick.  Useful to have a catalog of them on this thread though I suppose.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 18, 2018, 05:52:21
Most instances are resolved pretty quickly, and without causing much disruption.  In this case a simple reset did the trick.  Useful to have a catalog of them on this thread though I suppose.


I think the fact that these, and more dramatic (recent) issues with the overhead wires keep happening is more worrying than the fact that some of them are resolved quickly...….it was only a couple of months ago that Paddington was effectively shut for a day if you recall?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 18, 2018, 11:26:57
I do recall.  That’s why I said ‘most instances’.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 28, 2018, 16:03:01
Not great when the service is already a lot less than normal


Alterations to services between Reading and Maidenhead


Due to a points failure between Reading and Maidenhead the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is disrupted.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/12.
Further Information
Passengers travelling from Didcot Parkway/Reading for Taplow and Burnham are advised to travel to slough and circulate.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TaplowGreen on December 28, 2018, 16:25:20
Not great when the service is already a lot less than normal


Alterations to services between Reading and Maidenhead


Due to a points failure between Reading and Maidenhead the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is disrupted.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed by up to 15 minutes or revised. Disruption is expected until 16:45 28/12.
Further Information
Passengers travelling from Didcot Parkway/Reading for Taplow and Burnham are advised to travel to slough and circulate.

Huzzah!

Trains now running normally between Reading and Maidenhead


Following a points failure between Reading and Maidenhead the line towards London Paddington bound local stopping is now open.
Train services running to and from these stations are now running normally.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on December 28, 2018, 16:49:02
Passengers travelling from Didcot Parkway/Reading for Taplow and Burnham are advised to travel to slough and circulate.

Circulate? Do they make small talk with strangers, whilst eating hors d'oeuvres?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: broadgage on December 28, 2018, 18:28:48
"circulate via XYZ" seems to be the favoured term these days, it has the merits of being vague and not promising anything in particular.
Alternatives that give specific advice or instructions need too much thought.

"Change at ABC for local buses" has the drawback that ABC might not be served by buses at the relevant time, or that tickets might not be accepted.
"Change at DEF for London underground" has the drawback that the underground might be closed or on strike.
"Change at west Worzleshire for cross country trains" looks a bit silly if west Worzleshire is not in fact served by cross country.

But a simple "circulate via" avoids any such doubts, and can include walking, or giving up and going back to where you started, or doing something else instead.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 28, 2018, 19:39:47
When there's disruption, information to use local buses when ticket acceptance is often provided (together with which numbers) when they are relevant, more so than in the past IMHO.  The same goes with the Tube or other TOC's.  However, in this case clearly the best advice was to go through to Slough and double back, especially, as TG's two posts illustrated, the disruption was short lived, actually only affecting two trains. 

Though, for me, the word 'circulate' is a bit of a silly one to give to passengers.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on December 29, 2018, 08:30:50
Though, for me, the word 'circulate' is a bit of a silly one to give to passengers.

I agree with the sense in having passengers  go through and return to get to their station when it's only open / there's only a train calling in one direction.  As well as at times of stress to the system (where the platform one direction is closed), it's allowed routinely under easements of routing for places where it makes journeys more practical - see via http://data.atoc.org/routeing-guide and search the easement list for places like Dilton Marsh and Pilning.

But I struggle with what to call this for the public.    I too have some disquiet at the word "circulate". I too imagine passengers dressing finely and partaking of a cheese and wine party on the transfer bridge at Reading, mixing with GWR and Network Rail managers as they make an unexpected stop on their way home from London to Slough.    But all very easy to criticise - but what wording would be better??

"Divert via" ... does not indicate the passage through the target station during the round(dish) trip, and I think there's a need for the passenger to be aware this will happen - otherwise the passenger will get concerned and may pull the emergency chain (or whatever it has been replaced with.

"Circulate via" ... see my comments above

"Reflect at" ... oh dear -  ;D - I can imagine the idea relaxation classes, meditation groups ....

"passing through your planned destination to come back the other way" ... too long for short messages and CIS screens

"Double Back at" is the wording used in the routing guide.   To me that's good, clear enough, and strikes me as a positive change from "circulate" - but would it be understood by the public?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Worcester_Passenger on December 29, 2018, 08:55:52
Perhaps "Travel via ..."


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: grahame on December 29, 2018, 09:00:30
Perhaps "Travel via ..."

I have the same concern as with "divert via" ...
"Divert via" ... does not indicate the passage through the target station during the round(dish) trip, and I think there's a need for the passenger to be aware this will happen - otherwise the passenger will get concerned and may pull the emergency chain (or whatever it has been replaced with.
... but what do others think?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: stuving on December 29, 2018, 09:25:56
Perhaps "Travel via ..."

"Travel via" is simplest, but doesn't quite work if you are not changing your route - for example having to go to change partway because no trains are currently stopping at your origin and destination. "Travel to xxx and change" is likely to cover most cases, and I'm sure I've heard it in the past. "Change" can be expanded to something explicit if need be.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: jdw.wor on December 29, 2018, 16:59:01
“Travel via and return to...........”


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on December 29, 2018, 18:56:15
IIRC the French use "circuler" where we'd use "travel" (as in "passengers must travel via...") but also "run" ("no trains will run..."). I wonder if "circulate" is an inadvertent Gallicism?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 01:30:52
Problem solved - teach everybody French, and then there will be no confusion! Simples!

C’est magnifique, mais ce n’est pas la gare.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: JayMac on December 30, 2018, 02:33:04
Here's a French primer for an alternative transport to rail. (https://youtu.be/CVJ-W6LioB8)


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 30, 2018, 13:10:25
For some reason, All of the Cheltenham Spa trains to London Paddington have been cancelled, they are all terminating in Plat 1 at Swindon, and been replaced with a H.S.T.  set, No I.E.T. Sets, yet all other trains to London appear to be running.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: IndustryInsider on December 30, 2018, 15:26:32
No trains to London (Paddington) are running today.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 18:47:01
Here's a French primer for an alternative transport to rail. (https://youtu.be/CVJ-W6LioB8)

Priceless!

Other helpful French phrases include:
Avant garde - equivalent to DOO here.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: eXPassenger on December 30, 2018, 20:24:12
Here's a French primer for an alternative transport to rail. (https://youtu.be/CVJ-W6LioB8)

Priceless!

Other helpful French phrases include:
Avant garde - equivalent to DOO here.

This thread is getting like a version of 'I haven't a clue'.  Can we play Mornington Crescent across the GWR network?


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 30, 2018, 20:36:03
Yes lets get back to reporting problems in the thames valley, now everyones ready to go back to work ,college.


EDIT: Typos.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 20:38:07
I am no longer at colledge, having acquired sufficient knowlege.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Dispatch Box on December 30, 2018, 20:45:47
I am no longer at college, having acquired sufficient knowlege.

Just refered to peoples everyday lives I suppose.


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: TonyK on December 30, 2018, 20:54:07
Just refered to peoples everyday lives I suppose.

Exactly so, and Dispatch Box is absolutely right to abhor thread drift. For any members who nonetheless feel like playing (or not) something akin (or not) to Mornington Crescent (or not) but who doesn't currently possess a wireless, I have created a thread in the Lighter Side (or not).

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=20885.msg255464#msg255464


Title: Re: Thames Valley infrastructure problems causing disruption elsewhere - 2018
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 21, 2024, 20:03:52
My latest split, year by year, of this ongoing discussion.

2018 was another bad year, based purely on the number of posts here - which I emphasise is not a particularly scientific measure.




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