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Title: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: grahame on June 14, 2024, 15:11:22
Erm...While we are on a Scottish theme, this from Peterhead...well an update...don't hold your breath

http://www.scottishconstructionnow.com/13770/councillors-defer-peterhead-expansion-decision-as-rail-plan-revealed/?

Revisiting that story

https://www.scottishconstructionnow.com/articles/new-rail-link-would-bring-huge-economic-social-health-and-safety-benefits-to-buchan-study-finds

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A new rail link connecting Aberdeen to Fraserburgh via Peterhead would deliver a north-east economic boom and reduce fatal accidents on one of Scotland’s deadliest roads, a key study has found.


The findings come hot on the heels of the opening of the Levenmouth rail link, following a multi-million-pound Scottish Government investment – leaving Peterhead and Fraserburgh as the two largest towns in the UK furthest from the rail network.

Commissioned by the Campaign for North East Rail (CNER) and the Aberdeen and Grampian Chamber of Commerce (AGCC), the report also found the link could support the just transition and new jobs.

As a statistician, I find the "largest" combined with "furthest" enumerator confusing.  The largest town without a railway station is Gosport, the furthest from a railway station is perhaps Stornoway or Kirkwall

Code:
Gosport		82000
Waterlooville   68000
Canvey.         35000
Skelmesdale 35000
Dunstable 34000
Coalville 22000
Devizes 19000
Peterhead 19000
Ripon 17000
Fraserburgh 13000
Caernarfon 10000
Kirkwall 10000


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: Mark A on June 14, 2024, 16:14:26

As a statistician, I find the "largest" combined with "furthest" enumerator confusing.  The largest town without a railway station is Gosport, the furthest from a railway station is perhaps Stornoway or Kirkwall

Now, on the subject of minor Scottish railways to the west coast (and beyond), there are a couple of deceptive web sites out there, but... Stornoway *very nearly* gained a railway - and in its place it *did* gain a road that crossed to the west coast, said road largely built in the style of a railway. Perhaps its builders simply picked up the work of railway surveyors from years earlier.

On the approaches to the town there is even a  railway-style bridge to cross a watercourse there. Odd. The link below is to a 2009 Google streetview image of the bridge, somewhat obscured by vegetation. From there you're able to drop back to the satellite view and track the road on its course across the island. On the way it throws off a branch to a pier at Braesclete, and then continues to Carloway (where you'll find a road-over-road bridge on its final approach to the pier there). Wind permitting, it must be the best cycling route on Harris and Lewis.

Mark

https://tinyurl.com/bddkb49n (https://tinyurl.com/bddkb49n)


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: eightonedee on June 14, 2024, 18:10:21
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As a statistician, I find the "largest" combined with "furthest" enumerator confusing.  The largest town without a railway station is Gosport, the furthest from a railway station is perhaps Stornoway or Kirkwall

Although it's not that large, I'd guess Lerwick is a good candidate for "furthest".


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: grahame on June 14, 2024, 19:19:03
Now, on the subject of minor Scottish railways to the west coast (and beyond), there are a couple of deceptive web sites out there, but... Stornoway *very nearly* gained a railway - and in its place it *did* gain a road that crossed to the west coast, said road largely built in the style of a railway. Perhaps its builders simply picked up the work of railway surveyors from years earlier.

On the approaches to the town there is even a  railway-style bridge to cross a watercourse there. Odd. The link below is to a 2009 Google streetview image of the bridge, somewhat obscured by vegetation. From there you're able to drop back to the satellite view and track the road on its course across the island. On the way it throws off a branch to a pier at Braesclete, and then continues to Carloway (where you'll find a road-over-road bridge on its final approach to the pier there). Wind permitting, it must be the best cycling route on Harris and Lewis.

There's an interesting article at
https://hlrco.wordpress.com/2010/10/05/railways-of-lewis-harris/

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/harris1.jpg)

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/harris2.jpg)


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: JayMac on June 14, 2024, 19:30:11
Code:
Gosport		82000
Waterlooville   68000
Canvey.         35000
Skelmesdale 35000
Dunstable 34000
Coalville 22000
Devizes 19000
Peterhead 19000
Ripon 17000
Fraserburgh 13000
Caernarfon 10000
Kirkwall 10000

I presume your list is National Rail GB only. Were it for the UK then Newwtownards, Northern Ireland would be sixth with a population of 30,000. Dungannon and Enniskillen would also make a +10,000 UK list.


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: Oxonhutch on June 15, 2024, 15:57:44
I have heard it rumoured that when RAF personnel were stationed at the Saxa Vord radar station at the Shetland Islands' northernmost tip, that on forms needing to know their nearest railway station wrote 'Bergen'.  :)


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: JayMac on June 15, 2024, 17:09:03
My Mum's first WRAF posting after passing out was at RRH Saxa Vord.

Then she went to RAF Gütersloh, Germany. I came along soon after and that was the end of her military career.


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: Noggin on June 16, 2024, 11:21:04
Certainly in England, I believe that the English town furthest from a railway station is Bude in Cornwall - 30 miles, with Holdsworthy in Devon 20 miles from Okehampton.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1853254/beautiful-english-town-30-miles-train-station (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1853254/beautiful-english-town-30-miles-train-station)


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: ChrisB on June 16, 2024, 19:08:39
There must be places further than 30 miles from a station in England, surely?


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: JayMac on June 16, 2024, 19:27:31
There must be places further than 30 miles from a station in England, surely?

Places maybe, if you pick a random point on a map. But for towns it is indeed Bude.


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: grahame on June 16, 2024, 19:38:46
There must be places further than 30 miles from a station in England, surely?

Places maybe, if you pick a random point on a map. But for towns it is indeed Bude.

Yes, I believe that too.  Here's a scatter map of all the stations in England.  If there's a town halfway between Carlisle and Berwick-upon-Tweed that could be almost as far as Bude, and I look at the Kings Lynn to Sheringham gap.   Stations at Chathill, Malton and Bishop Aukland are the nearest stations to lots of places, even if they are not always practical to use.  And is Freshwater IOW a Town? Over 30 miles from the tube line at the other end of the island?  Ah, but it's less that 30 miles from Lymington.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/stnscatter.jpg)


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: stuving on June 16, 2024, 23:25:17
There must be places further than 30 miles from a station in England, surely?

Well, just try it! Starting with Bude, it's about 25 miles to Bodmin, Gunnislake, and (now) Okehampton. So maybe that 30 miles has got a bit misremebered.

If you do want to fit a circle of 60 miles diameter between the points marking stations, it certainly helps if half of it is full of sea. Otherwise, away from the spindly bits of land like Cornwall, there are always at least two lines near the two sides but leaving less than 60 miles between them. Carlisle to Newcastle - neither that near the coast - is well under this limit. Where a line moves inland, there are branch lines to the coast less than 60 miles apart.

Even looking at Great Britain only offers one place that does fit: the obvious one in the to left-hand corner. That tempting space full not much except a load of Grampians isn't quite big enough - its "waist" from Aviemore to Laurencekirk is les than 60 miles. The Borders did I think qualify,  before the Waverley line rebuild. Now Tweedbank is only 50 miles from Carlisle.

At fifty miles, like Bude is, I suspect most of these example would qualify. It would take more careful checking, e.g. using station positions rather than just towns, to be sure what order that rank in.


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: Sulis John on June 17, 2024, 07:33:19
Distance alone is of course not a meaningful criterion. As with “Bergen”, until last week there were settlements in the East Neuk of Fife whose nearest station was Nirth Berwick. Fat lot of use that was to them.


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: CyclingSid on June 17, 2024, 07:33:57
Waterlooville rang a bell in my memory. It was on the Portsdown and Horndean Light Railway https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsdown_and_Horndean_Light_Railway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portsdown_and_Horndean_Light_Railway) which closed in 1935. Despite this closure date it is included on a detailed Russan army map of the 1960s. So maybe the Russians didn't know everything.


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: ChrisB on June 17, 2024, 11:17:37
There must be places further than 30 miles from a station in England, surely?

Well, just try it! Starting with Bude, it's about 25 miles to Bodmin, Gunnislake, and (now) Okehampton. So maybe that 30 miles has got a bit misremebered.

In which case, there are one or two that appear to be 26-27 miles....but now I have to find them again as I didn't note them as they were definitely sub-30 miles....when I have time again :-\

Is that "as the crow flies" mileage, or via road mileage?


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: Noggin on June 18, 2024, 21:12:16
There must be places further than 30 miles from a station in England, surely?

Well, just try it! Starting with Bude, it's about 25 miles to Bodmin, Gunnislake, and (now) Okehampton. So maybe that 30 miles has got a bit misremebered.

In which case, there are one or two that appear to be 26-27 miles....but now I have to find them again as I didn't note them as they were definitely sub-30 miles....when I have time again :-\

Is that "as the crow flies" mileage, or via road mileage?

According to Google Maps, Okehampton Station to approximate location of Bude Station is 29.2 miles via Halwill, 30.1 miles via Hatherleigh - not quick either, both are 45 minutes-ish by car.


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: grahame on June 19, 2024, 03:43:56
According to Google Maps, Okehampton Station to approximate location of Bude Station is 29.2 miles via Halwill, 30.1 miles via Hatherleigh - not quick either, both are 45 minutes-ish by car.

If you want to catch a train, Google maps has given me:
(18.6 miles to Launceston Station)
29.6 miles to Okehampton Station
(30.7 miles to Bodmin General)
32.5 miles to Gunnislake
33.9 miles to Bodmin Parkway
34.5 miles to Barnstaple Station
38.4 miles to Copplestone

So the opening of Okehampton HAS closed the gap and it's no longer "over 30 miles".    And I note that if you had preciously been going from Bude to anywhere east of Devon, you would hardly have been efficient if you used your nearest stations national network stations of Gunnislake or Bodmin Parkway!


Title: Re: Cities and Towns without network stations and passenger services
Post by: Mark A on August 13, 2024, 15:44:28
A read on Levenmouth's newly opened passenger link, from Rail Engineer.

Mark

https://www.railengineer.co.uk/levenmouth-reconnected/ (https://www.railengineer.co.uk/levenmouth-reconnected/)



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