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Title: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: GBM on January 08, 2024, 07:55:01
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-67891067

A new, faster train service between Sheffield and London could be launched in the second half of next year.

Transport company FirstGroup plans to operate two daily return trips from Sheffield to London King's Cross via Retford, Worksop and Woodhouse.

It is part of its Hull Trains business, and would create competition for East Midlands Railway (EMR).
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Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: Mark A on January 08, 2024, 09:54:10
The BBC article's done a bit of a copy and paste on the intermediate stations served, Woodhouse being close to Sheffield and the DM having plonked it down in North London.

Mark


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: IndustryInsider on January 08, 2024, 12:01:46
An interesting proposal.  Worksop is certainly large enough to warrant a better service.  Though they will do well to reduce the journey time of the current service from Sheffield to St. Pancras by more than a few minutes. 

Another station joining the small list that would have departures to London departing from opposite directions…Oxford, Exeter St. Davids and Edinburgh Waverley being  others (are there any more?).


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: jamestheredengine on January 08, 2024, 12:13:42
An interesting proposal.  Worksop is certainly large enough to warrant a better service.  Though they will do well to reduce the journey time of the current service from Sheffield to St. Pancras by more than a few minutes. 

Another station joining the small list that would have departures to London departing from opposite directions…Oxford, Exeter St. Davids and Edinburgh Waverley being  others (are there any more?).
Margate, Broadstairs, Ramsgate. Dover Priory. Cosham, Portchester, Fareham.


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: grahame on January 08, 2024, 12:23:24
Another station joining the small list that would have departures to London departing from opposite directions…Oxford, Exeter St. Davids and Edinburgh Waverley being  others (are there any more?).

I love a challenge .... Teddington, Strawberry Hill, Twickenham, Slade Green, Barnhurst


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: brooklea on January 08, 2024, 13:59:32
Another station joining the small list that would have departures to London departing from opposite directions…Oxford, Exeter St. Davids and Edinburgh Waverley being  others (are there any more?).

I love a challenge .... Teddington, Strawberry Hill, Twickenham, Slade Green, Barnhurst

Yeovil Pen Mill


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: PrestburyRoad on January 08, 2024, 14:01:30
On a smaller scale, and no longer applicable since its transfer to the Overground: all the intermediate stations on the South London Line, with its early overhead electrification and latterly its 2-EPBs shuttling between London Bridge and Victoria.


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: grahame on January 08, 2024, 14:37:16
On a smaller scale, and no longer applicable since its transfer to the Overground: all the intermediate stations on the South London Line, with its early overhead electrification and latterly its 2-EPBs shuttling between London Bridge and Victoria.

Yep, I had wondered about Nunhead and Peckham Rye - however, isn't the line physically broken as well at Battersea Park now?


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: Electric train on January 08, 2024, 16:10:41
An interesting proposal.  Worksop is certainly large enough to warrant a better service.  Though they will do well to reduce the journey time of the current service from Sheffield to St. Pancras by more than a few minutes. 

Another station joining the small list that would have departures to London departing from opposite directions…Oxford, Exeter St. Davids and Edinburgh Waverley being  others (are there any more?).

Ramsgate.  Before reisignalling it used to have 2 UP lines signalled in opposite directions London Victoria in one direction and London Charing Cross in the other


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: brooklea on January 08, 2024, 16:36:26
Haymarket and Leicester are two more examples.


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: rogerw on January 08, 2024, 17:03:53
Not forgetting Westbury


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: eightonedee on January 08, 2024, 18:30:02
...or indeed (if you stretch opposite to mean "different") - Reading!


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: brooklea on January 08, 2024, 19:01:31
...or indeed (if you stretch opposite to mean "different") - Reading!
Too big a ‘stretch’ for my OCD, that one :D

I will add Sunderland to the list.


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: PrestburyRoad on January 08, 2024, 20:37:44
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Quote from: PrestburyRoad on Today at 02:01:30 pm
On a smaller scale, and no longer applicable since its transfer to the Overground: all the intermediate stations on the South London Line, with its early overhead electrification and latterly its 2-EPBs shuttling between London Bridge and Victoria.

Yep, I had wondered about Nunhead and Peckham Rye - however, isn't the line physically broken as well at Battersea Park now?

Yes - I believe that that route through into Victoria is now broken, and one of the former South London Line platforms at Battersea Park is now disused and its track has been disconnected.


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on January 08, 2024, 21:23:10
On a smaller scale, and no longer applicable since its transfer to the Overground: all the intermediate stations on the South London Line, with its early overhead electrification and latterly its 2-EPBs shuttling between London Bridge and Victoria.

If we're doing "no longer applicable"... Charlbury, Kingham, Moreton-in-Marsh, Evesham, Worcester Shrub Hill.

(There was a 1980s Saturday service that ran Paddington-Oxford-Worcester-Birmingham-Banbury-Oxford-Paddington, and another the other way round.)


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: stuving on January 08, 2024, 23:54:49
Another station joining the small list that would have departures to London departing from opposite directions…Oxford, Exeter St. Davids and Edinburgh Waverley being  others (are there any more?).

I love a challenge .... Teddington, Strawberry Hill, Twickenham, Slade Green, Barnhurst

But are those going to London? They are in London, as are some other loop services e.g. Hounslow. Arguably any route with both ends in London would count! Unless being the same route both ways doesn't count in the first place.

I can, and do, go to London both ways from Wokingham. True, going via Reading involves a change, but is usually quicker. Does that not count? Or what about 17th February, when I can get RRBs both ways to get to London ...


Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: grahame on January 09, 2024, 08:20:40
But are those going to London? They are in London, as are some other loop services e.g. Hounslow. Arguably any route with both ends in London would count! Unless being the same route both ways doesn't count in the first place.

I can, and do, go to London both ways from Wokingham. True, going via Reading involves a change, but is usually quicker. Does that not count? Or what about 17th February, when I can get RRBs both ways to get to London ...

Wonderful questions, to which there are no definitive answers.

We are physically a long way from Sheffield ... looking at a wider passenger experience (and thinking "Wokingham" too), I find myself asking "what's the best way from A to B for me?" and the complex information systems and choices involved - not only in timetabling but also in knowing the best way to make the journey when services are not running to timetable, and in ticketing, price of journey, etc.

Localising, as I tend to - the multi-route journey I make from time to time ... Melksham to Bristol ... lots of options there but what a mess working out the "best" and especially on the return, see the look of panic in the customer service advisor on the gate line when you ask what's the best way (now) to get back to Melksham.  The question is a reasonable one that the person does not have the tools to practically answer ...



Title: Re: Sheffield-London train service plans revealed by FirstGroup
Post by: Witham Bobby on January 09, 2024, 09:47:03

If we're doing "no longer applicable"... Charlbury, Kingham, Moreton-in-Marsh, Evesham, Worcester Shrub Hill.

(There was a 1980s Saturday service that ran Paddington-Oxford-Worcester-Birmingham-Banbury-Oxford-Paddington, and another the other way round.)

This service was a weekday regular in the mid 1970s, although I'm not sure it was advertised as such.  There was an 1150 Worcester Shrub Hill to Paddington (via Evesham) which originated as a Paddington to Worcester via Banbury and New Street service.  This passed another circular tour, which was something like 1055 from Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill, on the double track section between Moreton in Marsh and Ascott under Wychwood.  The Down train went on from Worcester to Paddington, via New Street and Banbury.



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