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Journey by Journey => Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall => Topic started by: grahame on January 01, 2024, 16:57:32



Title: A new place to flood?
Post by: grahame on January 01, 2024, 16:57:32
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Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks

Due to flooding between Truro and Falmouth Docks all lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled or started from Penryn. All stations between Truro and Penryn will not be served. Disruption is expected until 17:00 01/01.

Customer Advice
Due to flooding on the Falmouth branch we apologise but we are only currently able to run a shuttle train service between Penryn and Falmouth Docks. No train services will run between Truro and Penryn for the moment with Perranwell station not being served.


Title: Re: A new place to flood?
Post by: johnneyw on January 01, 2024, 18:22:40
....and one of the frequent offenders made another appearance too.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-67856504.amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17041190294195&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

It's a busy main line so it seems curious to me that this well known trouble spot can't be better sorted out.


Title: Re: A new place to flood?
Post by: ellendune on January 01, 2024, 18:46:45
....and one of the frequent offenders made another appearance too.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-67856504.amp?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17041190294195&csi=0&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com

It's a busy main line so it seems curious to me that this well known trouble spot can't be better sorted out.

They have had two goes at trying to sort it.  The trouble is there is only so much they can discharge into the river Frome before it causes flooding downstream.  The first attempt they built a pond at the old station site to balance the flows and then they modified the sidings to make it bigger.  Short of loosing the sidings altogether (what are they used for?) they can't make it any bigger. Any further enlargement will probably have to be outside of railway land.

As I understand it, the water not only comes from the tunnel but also from the cutting on the other side.  Since the flows are already attenuated by the rock (much of it is coming in through the ground) a pond it always going to be a challenging solution. 


Title: Re: A new place to flood?
Post by: johnneyw on January 01, 2024, 19:46:09
Thanks for the reply.  I suppose the works carried out will have reduced the problem, which makes me wonder what it was like beforehand.


Title: Re: A new place to flood?
Post by: Mark A on January 02, 2024, 11:48:23
The line falls from Badminton station site at 1:300 in an increasingly deep cutting in porous limestone to the tunnel. There's a watercourse on the surface that runs intermittently (and is carried across the cutting in an aqueduct) and the surface area of the cutting itself will catch a considerable amount of rain, and attract more should the water table rise sufficiently.

There are records of a series of boreholes from 2003 as the railway investigated the geology. The records are confidential but the locations can be viewed here:

https://mapapps2.bgs.ac.uk/geoindex/home.html?layer=BGSBoreholes (https://mapapps2.bgs.ac.uk/geoindex/home.html?layer=BGSBoreholes)

Now, that site doesn't allow a link to a location, but just search for 'Badminton' and work from there.

You'll also find brief notes on the construction shafts for the tunnel - the whole lot are on the following link, just two pages with brief handwritten notes for each, and a sketch of a lengthwise slice of the ground. These aren't from the time the tunnel was built - it looks as though someone was out on a fact finding mission - there is possibly a date 27/8/49 towards the foot of the first page.

On the second page, the words 'From 1 to 2, 10 hours for water to travel' is expressive of something.

https://api.bgs.ac.uk/sobi-scans/v1/borehole/scans/items/394592 (https://api.bgs.ac.uk/sobi-scans/v1/borehole/scans/items/394592)

Various farms thereabouts have boreholes with healthy amounts of water, so it looks to be the usual Cotswold story, plenty of water around until you need some, at which point you can't find any - but if there's something that needs to stay dry, it experiences an irregular drenching as the water table rises.

The engineer for the Thames and Severn canal found this - surveying in February and moving through a country, in a wet February, criss crossed by little rills and with water bursting out of the ground all over the shop he was sanguine about the water supply. Once the canal was open and at the height of a cotswold summer drought with even the trees looking thirsty and water slurping out of the channel  through holes in the puddle made by winter springs but now dropping the water into voids beneath the ground locally known as 'Lizens'... this did not make for a happy experience all round.

For anyone itching to read a more complete borehole record, this one's south of the motorway and some way from the line, but probably close enough to indicate why there's a lot of water in the ground thereabouts.

Reference: ST87NW42
Name: NETTLETON 2
Water Well Reference: N/A
Precision: ± 10 METRES
Length (m): 110.03
Date: 1936
Easting: 382670
Northing: 179460
Scan Quality: not Entered



https://api.bgs.ac.uk/sobi-scans/v1/borehole/scans/items/396302 (https://api.bgs.ac.uk/sobi-scans/v1/borehole/scans/items/396302)

Mark



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