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Title: New Trimode trains for the East Coast mainline
Post by: grahame on November 10, 2023, 08:03:30
From LNER (https://www.lner.co.uk/news/first-tri-mode-long-distance-trains-for-east-coast-main-line/)

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London North Eastern Railway (LNER) is pleased to confirm that CAF has been named as the successful bidder to deliver a fleet of 10 new tri-mode trains for LNER. Porterbrook has been chosen as the financier of the new fleet. The trains will be able to operate in electric, battery or diesel mode.

Benefits of tri-mode trains range from a reduction in emissions, particulates, noise and vibration pollution, lower maintenance and operating costs and upgradeable technology, with an expected increase in range and performance as technology develops further. Battery power reduces the need to use diesel traction in areas where overhead powerlines are not available.

Complementing the modern Azuma fleet of 65 trains, the new ten-coach trains will help LNER achieve its vision of becoming the most loved, progressive and trusted train operator in the UK, delivering an exceptional service for the customers and communities served along its 956-mile network.

David Horne, Managing Director at LNER, said: “Successfully delivering this new fleet is an integral part of LNER’s Business Plan. Our focus is ensuring we create a fleet that truly matches the needs of all our customers, with clear targets on setting new standards for comfort, accessibility, and exceptional customer service.

This new fleet of trains will keep LNER on track to reduce its emissions by 67 per cent by 2035 and be net zero by 2045. LNER has already reduced carbon emissions by 50 per cent compared with 2018/19.  Per mile, LNER trains produce 15 times less carbon emissions than a domestic flight.

Rail Minister, Huw Merriman, said: “Replacing ageing rolling stock is crucial to the sustainability, reliability and growth of our rail network, and I’m delighted passengers travelling on LNER services will benefit from improved services and greener journeys on these modern trains.

“Private sector investment plays an important role within the UK rail industry and this order will help drive economic growth across the country while supporting skilled jobs.”

Richard Garner, CAF UK Director, said: "The new CAF fleet of more sustainable and environmentally friendly tri-mode trains will reduce carbon emissions, noise and vibration pollution and optimise energy consumption while increasing service operation efficiency and performance on the East Coast Main Line.”

Mary Grant, Porterbrook CEO, said: “Porterbrook is delighted to fund and take ownership of this state-of-the-art new tri-mode fleet for LNER, supporting its focus on creating a world-class service that matches the needs of customers with lower emission trains.”

Further details about when the new fleet can be expected in service will follow in due course.

Sounds good - when might we expect to see new trains with these qualities on main lines such as Cardiff to Portsmouth, Bristol to Manchester or Bournemouth to Newcastle? On lines like these, short diesel-only trains designed in the last millennium still clatter and vibrate, overcrowded, along lines fitted in part with third rail and overhead electrification, and catering is limited or none existent.


Title: Re: New Trimode trains for the East Coast mainline
Post by: Bob_Blakey on November 10, 2023, 11:22:11
From LNER (https://www.lner.co.uk/news/first-tri-mode-long-distance-trains-for-east-coast-main-line/)

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.....Rail Minister, Huw Merriman, said: “Replacing ageing rolling stock is crucial to the sustainability, reliability and growth of our rail network, .....

Except when Great Western Railway is under consideration! I had thought Mr Merriman was a fairly sensible individual but statements such as this may indicate he resides on a different planet to the rest of us.

Edit to fix quoting


Title: Re: New Trimode trains for the East Coast mainline
Post by: grahame on November 10, 2023, 15:06:56
I wonder if the new LNER trains will be like the ones in Finland . from Novar Media (https://novaramedia.com/2023/09/12/finnish-trains-are-what-the-uk-could-have-if-it-gave-a-shit/)

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Picture this. You arrive at the train station, bags packed, ready for a six-and-a-half-hour journey across the country. Oops! You’ve forgotten to buy a ticket. Not to worry, you can get one at the station for the same day. It’s £42.

You haul your bag into the carriage only to realise you’re seated on the top deck, and you don’t want to leave your luggage downstairs in case someone nicks your books and underwear. No problem, you can leave your luggage in the handy lockers, which come in three sizes. Nice!

[snip]

Finally, you make it to the snacks trolley – except it isn’t a trolley, it’s an entire carriage, and they aren’t serving snacks, they’re serving things like meatballs with lingonberry jam. You take a pew on the ten-foot bench that runs along one side of the car and dig into your freshly prepared cheese omelette, which is £8.

The scenes I’m describing aren’t drawn from some feminist utopia dreamed up by radical theorists.[snip] It’s Finland.


Title: Re: New Trimode trains for the East Coast mainline
Post by: broadgage on November 10, 2023, 16:59:05
Why not IETS these are alleged to be purpose designed intercity trains and thus ideal for the proposed use.



Title: Re: New Trimode trains for the East Coast mainline
Post by: Noggin on November 10, 2023, 23:10:57
Why not IETS these are alleged to be purpose designed intercity trains and thus ideal for the proposed use.

There's a thread across on the WNXX Forum. In short it seems that:

1) The units will replace the class 91's + MK4 stock as part of the switch to ETCS on the south of the ECML. Those units predominantly do Leeds and York runs, with a suggestion that two sets will be based at Heaton for Newcastle services.
2) Hitachi wanted silly money and have not endeared themselves to LNER management in recent times.
3) The units will be maintained at Neville Hill which is already maintaining CAF units, which seems quite sensible for the modern railway, not to mention that the other depots looking after the various 80x fleet are fairly busy already.
4) The diesel engine and battery capabilities hint at possible use for Harrogate/Hull/Cleethorpes/Lincoln services, though given that they are 10-car units that might be wishful thinking 

http://wnxxforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=37383 (http://wnxxforum.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=37383)


Title: Re: New Trimode trains for the East Coast mainline
Post by: TonyK on November 11, 2023, 10:58:00
It sounds good, but these new trains are as much a sign of the problem than the solution. Too many miles of heavily used railway still do not have electricity overhead, resulting in trains that, whichever source of motive power is in use, have to lug two others around at the same time.


Title: Re: New Trimode trains for the East Coast mainline
Post by: broadgage on November 11, 2023, 14:19:12
It sounds good, but these new trains are as much a sign of the problem than the solution. Too many miles of heavily used railway still do not have electricity overhead, resulting in trains that, whichever source of motive power is in use, have to lug two others around at the same time.

I largely agree, but with the caveat that in my view ALL new electric trains should have a battery or a diesel engine for when the wires come down.
A diesel engine is probably better than a battery as with limited use it should last the life of the train, a battery would need replacing several times even if little used.
Sufficient to move at a minimum of 40 MPH for at least an hour, and if not able to proceed, to run on board services for several hours.
Having incured the weight penalty and cost of providing this engine or battery, VERY LIMITED use in passenger service could be considered, examples include very short stretches of line that can not be aafordably electrified the train would normally coast through short gaps, but a small engine is useful for just in case. Also raitours and charters to heritage lines.
Despite my dislike of underfloor engines, they would be acceptable in this case as not intended for regular use.



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