Title: Cardiff to Edinburgh - open access proposal Post by: grahame on October 23, 2023, 18:22:10 From Railway Gazette (https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/cardiff-edinburgh-open-access-train-service-proposal-under-development/65155.article)
Quote Grand Union has begun industry consultation over a proposal to operate five open access services a day between Cardiff and Edinburgh, and separately is looking at rolling stock options for its planned London – Carmarthen and London – Stirling services. Grand Union Managing Director Ian Yeowart has told Rail Business UK that the issue of connectivity between Cardiff and Edinburgh had come up many times during discussions with stakeholders in Wales and Scotland. The proposed services would call at Cardiff, Newport, Severn Tunnel Junction, Gloucester, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Sheffield, Doncaster, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh. The target start date is December 2025, using Class 22x trainsets. To me, Cross Country feels like it provides for the medium distance traveller along the South West to Scotland axis, but for the long distance passengers the product feels expensive and lacking in confort, marred by lots of people getting on and off at dozens of stops along the way. A Cardiff to Edinburgh product deigned for the long distance market is worth a look. Considering its siblings, perhaps a Carmarthen to Stirling product, though I get the Capital Connection focus of the headlines. Title: Re: Cardiff to Edinburgh - open access proposal Post by: paul7575 on October 24, 2023, 21:04:09 From Railway Gazette (https://www.railwaygazette.com/uk/cardiff-edinburgh-open-access-train-service-proposal-under-development/65155.article) How would this possibly pass a revenue abstraction test? Quote Grand Union has begun industry consultation over a proposal to operate five open access services a day between Cardiff and Edinburgh, and separately is looking at rolling stock options for its planned London – Carmarthen and London – Stirling services. Grand Union Managing Director Ian Yeowart has told Rail Business UK that the issue of connectivity between Cardiff and Edinburgh had come up many times during discussions with stakeholders in Wales and Scotland. The proposed services would call at Cardiff, Newport, Severn Tunnel Junction, Gloucester, Birmingham New Street, Derby, Sheffield, Doncaster, York, Newcastle and Edinburgh. The target start date is December 2025, using Class 22x trainsets. To me, Cross Country feels like it provides for the medium distance traveller along the South West to Scotland axis, but for the long distance passengers the product feels expensive and lacking in confort, marred by lots of people getting on and off at dozens of stops along the way. A Cardiff to Edinburgh product deigned for the long distance market is worth a look. Considering its siblings, perhaps a Carmarthen to Stirling product, though I get the Capital Connection focus of the headlines. And isn’t it the northern ECML between York and Newcastle where TPE have just been binned because of track capacity issues? What happens if the franchised operator reinstates the hourly all day Reading - Newcastle service? Paul Title: Re: Cardiff to Edinburgh - open access proposal Post by: grahame on October 24, 2023, 21:22:36 How would this possibly pass a revenue abstraction test? And isn’t it the northern ECML between York and Newcastle where TPE have just been binned because of track capacity issues? What happens if the franchised operator reinstates the hourly all day Reading - Newcastle service? I noted the lack of calls at Cheltenham Spa, Leeds, Darlington and Berwick upon Tweed. I was surprised at the Birmingham New Street call. I wondered about Worcestershire Parkway, Bromsgrove and Tamworth. Pick up only as far as Worcestershire Parkway, set down only north of Doncaster? Wasn't the TPE cut due to lack of staff not lack of paths? Technically - don't think XC is actually a franchise any more? Title: Re: Cardiff to Edinburgh - open access proposal Post by: ChrisB on October 24, 2023, 21:31:14 There are NO franchises any more. XC has the same type of contract as GWR.
Title: Re: Cardiff to Edinburgh - open access proposal Post by: paul7575 on October 24, 2023, 21:53:51 There are NO franchises any more. XC has the same type of contract as GWR. Fair call but I’d assume DfT still won’t want abstraction from their contracted routes.Title: Re: Cardiff to Edinburgh - open access proposal Post by: paul7575 on October 24, 2023, 22:02:45 Wasn't the TPE cut due to lack of staff not lack of paths? There’s still a few TPE Edinburgh to Berwick or Newcastle extras that are there to serve Reston, I’m not sure of their long term position. TPE don’t really seem the appropriate operator for that, but who else would be, maybe it should be Scotrail. Paul Title: Re: Cardiff to Edinburgh - open access proposal Post by: grahame on October 27, 2023, 15:36:09 Very interesting story I have just picked up from Railtech (https://www.railtech.com/all/2023/10/10/crosscountry-wins-new-contract-and-proposes-historic-edinburgh-cardiff-train/) on 10th October 2023
Quote As part of its new contract, the UK passenger train operators CrossCountry, have stated their intention to introduce a direct Edinburgh – Cardiff service, linking the two capital cities for the first time. However the service is not expected to run until late in 2024. The operator recently retired its ageing “Intercity 125” fleet – the trains originally introduced by British Railways in the 1970s under the designation HST – or High Speed Train. Although past their prime, the loco-hauled push-pull units offered a high capacity to the significant overcrowding on the CrossCountry network, and the apparent reluctance of the UK government to sanction any further investment in a larger fleet for the operator. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |