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Journey by Journey => South Western services => Topic started by: bradshaw on April 21, 2023, 08:18:42



Title: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: bradshaw on April 21, 2023, 08:18:42
Mentioned by SWR yesterday but now with service revision until further notice. Seems to need three trains to get to Waterloo from west of Salisbury!
 RTT shows FIVE cancelled services west of Salisbury by 08.15.

Another forum suggests that this is due to contamination of fuel affecting a number of units

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  Cancellations to services between Basingstoke and Exeter St Davids
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time between Basingstoke and Exeter St Davids fewer trains are able to run on all lines.
What's Going On:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
What We're Doing About It:
Yesterday, we were informed that many of our diesel fleet needed repairs at the same time. Unfortunately this issue has continued into today.
Until further notice, the following service alterations will take place.
- Services between London Waterloo and Exeter St Davids will run between Salisbury and Exeter St Davids only. Trains may have to run at reduced speed between these stations and due to the single line sections along this route trains may be delayed awaiting to pass a train in the opposite direction.
- A shuttle service will operate between Salisbury and Basingstoke
If you require a train between London Waterloo and Basingstoke, you are advised to board one of our services between London Waterloo and Weymouth, Poole and Portsmouth via Eastleigh or a stopping service to Basingstoke.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: Mark A on April 21, 2023, 08:36:19
Fuel contamination...? That's an issue that's on a range from 'High impact' to 'Terrible'.

Mark


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: bradshaw on April 21, 2023, 08:55:04

Paul Clifton not being optimistic about it, presumably more information will emerge over the day.

https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1649317160622370817?s=61&t=VlafMC5gF9tidw36b1Y8JQ


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: bobm on April 21, 2023, 09:07:00
News release just issued by South Western Railway includes the phrase

"•   Trains have been affected by a problem with fuel meaning fewer services can operate"


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: Mark A on April 21, 2023, 10:06:58
Paul Clifton reporting that it's precipitated by an issue with biofuel content.

Mark


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 21, 2023, 11:20:18
Paul Clifton reporting that it's precipitated by an issue with biofuel content.

Mark

He also mentioned a 'big job'. Yuck. Glad I don't have to clean that out.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: Timmer on April 21, 2023, 12:01:32
Expecting older diesel engines to be happy to run on fuel with added vegetables may have been a tad optimistic.

Is there another rail line in the UK that suffers more misfortune (other than the Transwilts) that the West of England line suffers? You can understand why it gets the name the mule.

I suspect our member for Templecombe may have something to say about the latest misfortune to hit the WoE line.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: JayMac on April 21, 2023, 13:53:11
The member for Templecombe just hopes the issue is resolved before his trip to the Isle of Man!

Expecting older diesel engines to be happy to run on fuel with added vegetables may have been a tad optimistic..

How else will they get their five a day?


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: bradshaw on April 21, 2023, 14:37:22
Message from SWR to SERUG today

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    I wanted to make you aware of an issue currently affecting our diesel
fleet, operating on the West of England line between Basingstoke and
Exeter and between Southampton and Salisbury via Romsey.

After becoming aware that some of our trains running on this route have
not been performing as well as expected, we then discovered a problem
with the fuel that these trains use. This is causing performance issues
and means they cannot travel at their usual speeds. Trains that have
reported problems are being taken out of service for inspection and the
replacement of engine filters.

In order to be able to accommodate these additional inspections and
repairs, and to try and minimise short notice delays and cancellations,
our control team has had to reduce the timetabled frequency of services
as of today (Friday 21st April) until further notice. A summary of the
changes are as follows:

   * One train per hour will operate between Basingstoke and Salisbury
   * One train every two hours will operate between Salisbury and Exeter
St Davids
   * One train every two hours will operate between Southampton Central
and Salisbury via Romsey
   * Services to Westbury and Yeovil Pen Mill will not run

We expect to face this issue for several days as investigations continue
and engineering mitigations are put in place. We will of course provide
a further update with more information when we can. I would take this
opportunity to apologise for the delays and disruption that will still
be caused despite the mitigations we are taking.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: stuving on April 21, 2023, 14:41:03
Reported on BBC South news at lunchtime as due to the small biofuel component of the diesel causing filters to get blocked. It was not made clear whether this biofuel was as intended (though the consequence obviously was not), or whether it was contaminated (i.e. by something that should not be there).


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 21, 2023, 16:30:36
Wouldn't it have been an idea to test it before using it?


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: Clan Line on April 21, 2023, 17:47:32
Ah ............I get it now.  "Net Zero"  =  NO trains.  Brilliant !!!! ......................


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: paul7575 on April 21, 2023, 20:15:20
Wouldn't it have been an idea to test it before using it?
I was wondering about this, because nothing said so far today suggests the use of biodiesels is new, does it?

Paul 


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: didcotdean on April 21, 2023, 20:48:54
Clifton says everything was fine until a couple of days ago and it is limited to Salisbury, pointing towards either a bad fuel batch or something up with the tank/filters there.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: bradshaw on April 21, 2023, 20:51:24
Previous use but not sure if it was introduced fleet wide

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 One of the SWT fleet of Class 159s, 159 007, was chosen to take part in a Network Rail bio-fuel test in 2008 [2]. It ran for several months on a mixture of diesel, soya bean and oil seed rape oil. The fuel mixture did not affect performance or cause any damage to the engines of the unit though was found to be more expensive than conventional fuel.

https://topstastic.blogspot.com/2016/01/class-159.html

https://m.stagecoachgroup.com/media/news-releases/2008/2008-08-19a.aspx


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: JayMac on April 21, 2023, 20:55:05
From SWR source:

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The issue appears to be related to bacteria in the bio-fuel that appears to be impacted by warmer weather and it can affect the fuel tanks in the depots and fuel filters and warming tanks on units. Fleet are aware of the problem and samples have been take and sent for analysis to identify the particular type as this is important in how it is irradicated. In parallel to this they are trying to understand the source of the contamination. Short term the problem can be mitigated by changing the fuel filters and if necessary, the cleaning the fuel warmers. Fleet are working on a plan to understand the status of all the stock and over time how frequently the they need changing / cleaning.

Train plan for tomorrow issued at 2030 this evening with basic principles 2 hourly service Exeter - Sal, hourly Salisbury - Basingstoke, 2 hourly Romsey Rounders and all services via the Western region cancelled.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: Mark A on April 21, 2023, 21:06:51
A bit of a read on this issue here: water in fuel, or more accurately the interface between that and the fuel is where it starts to occur, and warmer weather can accelerate this, not that we've had much of warmer weather.

https://www.donaldson.com/en-be/bulk-fluid-storage/technical-articles/microbial-bacteria-diesel-fuel/

Mark



Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: paul7575 on April 21, 2023, 23:17:58
According to a recent post in the WNXX forum, biodiesel has been in use since Christmas.

Paul


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: ChrisB on April 22, 2023, 07:17:44
Update frim Paul Clifton

https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1649450425890865160?s=46&t=qtQqFiGD3Ax9ywgKWSHADw


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: broadgage on April 22, 2023, 08:11:02
A small proportion of biodiesel has been added to road diesel fuel for some years without any widespread problems, so why is it such a problem on trains ?


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: ChrisB on April 22, 2023, 08:55:18
Different engines? Use of biodiesel, rather than standard diesel mix?


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: broadgage on April 23, 2023, 13:31:07
Different engines? Use of biodiesel, rather than standard diesel mix?

Almost all diesel fuel sold in the UK contains a small proportion of bio diesel, and a much larger proportion of crude oil derived diesel fuel. I am not aware of any special "railway blend" 

The engines used in class 159s are closely based on standard types used in many other applications, not a special railway version.

So why such a problem ? Fuel filters on engines should be simple to replace and ample stocks should be held to allow for frequent changes. Bulk fuel supplies in storage tanks can be cleansed in situ. If gross water contamination is suspected, then a little fuel and water should be withdrawn from the very bottom of the tank.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 23, 2023, 14:34:23
I was on the 0912 from Plymouth to Reading this morning and it was noticeably busier from Exeter - normally quite a quiet one - suspect people are using GWR services as an alternative?


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: bradshaw on April 23, 2023, 19:15:53
SWR managed to run the hourly service today between Exeter and Andover, with engineering works at Basingstoke meaning rail replacement buses from there to Woking! That clearly gave them the number of units needed.
SWR Journey Check shows its back to the two hourly service tomorrow.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: bradshaw on April 25, 2023, 08:40:55
The Romsey circulars have been restored from today according to SWR Journey Check


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: bradshaw on April 26, 2023, 14:53:45
Further update today on SWR website about Thursday

 
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   On Thursday 27th April, most trains between Exeter St Davids and Waterloo will run as scheduled however some will start or finish at a different station to usual. Journey planners have been updated to reflect this.


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: Clan Line on April 27, 2023, 20:34:30

https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/23486359.south-western-railway-train-timetable-reinstated-diesel-problem/


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: Mark A on April 27, 2023, 20:45:36
South Western Railway's services shipshape once again though sadly not for the time being Bristol fashion too.

Mark


Title: Re: Maintenance problems affecting WoE services
Post by: grahame on April 27, 2023, 21:33:50

https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/23486359.south-western-railway-train-timetable-reinstated-diesel-problem/

From that ....

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Neil Drury, SWR’s engineering director, said: “We’re sorry for the disruption that customers in the Basingstoke, Exeter, Romsey, Salisbury and Yeovil areas have felt since last Friday.

"It was a difficult decision to amend our timetables and we have worked hard to restore services as quickly as we can.

Interesting word - it should have been and easy decision when all the trains started to be gum up. Disappointing would have been a better word.



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