Title: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: infoman on January 30, 2023, 20:37:46 https://news.stv.tv/scotland/peak-rail-fares-to-be-scrapped-for-six-months-as-part-of-pilot?mc_cid=9479624768&mc_eid=7fbb220518
Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: ChrisB on January 30, 2023, 20:44:43 Can you imagine gow much more the Govt would need to do this in England, on top of the £2billion its costing already?
Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: Ralph Ayres on January 30, 2023, 23:04:45 Interesting to see how it pans out. Great if it means travelling costs less, but will trains at popular times on some routes be severely overcrowded as there is no financial incentive for those who can be flexible to avoid travelling at such times?
I think it is unlikely to generate much entirely new travel, so for it to continue after the pilot, either the Scottish government will need to keep up the higher subsidy or the all day fare will have to move to somewhere between the old peak and off-peak fares. That won't please those who used to buy cheaper off-peak tickets! Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: stuving on January 30, 2023, 23:41:07 I'd been expecting something a bit different, but still perhaps as a trial. That would be to remove peak fares on Monday and Friday: in effect the weekend becomes four days. That ought to be cheaper than this Scottish plan, at least.
With either scheme, one of the effects will presumably be for the now less-used peak trains to fill up again, and off-peak ones get emptier. So instead of more uniform service levels across the day (i.e. dropping the peak-only extras), there would be scope for retaining the old peak service levels and thinning out the off-peak ones. Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: Mark A on January 31, 2023, 10:48:29 Can you imagine gow much more the Govt would need to do this in England, on top of the £2billion its costing already? Sorry, lost the thread, what's costing £2 billion? Mark Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: ChrisB on January 31, 2023, 11:00:38 The current cost to the tax payer for running the railway
Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: grahame on January 31, 2023, 11:26:32 The interesting thing here is just how much more expensive anytime tickets are. The Glasgow to Edinburgh anytime fare of 27.60 is 1.94 times the off peak fare of 14.20 (and that's the future / trial fare). But take a look at the fares in our region and the ratio differs wildly. Here are some examples; I've done my best to use nearest equivalents, though on routes like Melksham - Salisbury - Southampton, it's an anytime period ticket versus an off peak day ticket.
27.60 14.20 1.94 Glasgow to Edinburgh (as per newspaper) 59.00 18.70 3.16 Melksham to Oxford (day return) 182.80 54.10 3.38 Melksham to Southampton (not via London) 39.30 26.50 1.48 Melksham to Southampton (day via Salisbury) 222.40 65.40 3.40 London (Paddington) to Bath Spa (any permitted) 49.90 39.80 1.25 Exeter St Davids to Bath Spa (period returns) Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: ChrisB on January 31, 2023, 11:27:54 Fares south of Manchester have been many times those of fares north thereof for many, many years
Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: grahame on January 31, 2023, 11:38:11 Fares south of Manchester have been many times those of fares north thereof for many, many years That too - though I was looking at the ratios. In absolute terms, for each Glasgow - Edinburgh return journey in the peak, there's going to be £13.40 less income. If it was done on Melksham - Oxford, which is (I think) the nearest comparable distance I came up with, the income loss would be £40.30 ... which starts to explain why the scheme is cheaper in Scotland and fares there are already unfairly (red rag to bull?) cheap. Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: ellendune on January 31, 2023, 21:25:03 Fares south of Manchester have been many times those of fares north thereof for many, many years That too - though I was looking at the ratios. In absolute terms, for each Glasgow - Edinburgh return journey in the peak, there's going to be £13.40 less income. If it was done on Melksham - Oxford, which is (I think) the nearest comparable distance I came up with, the income loss would be £40.30 ... which starts to explain why the scheme is cheaper in Scotland and fares there are already unfairly (red rag to bull?) cheap. I might disagree and suggest that our fares are unduly expensive! Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: ChrisB on February 01, 2023, 13:46:39 I would agree with the above
Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: grahame on August 20, 2024, 16:10:11 From the Scotsman (https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/scotrail-peak-fares-suspension-axed-4749226)
Quote Experimental all-day lower fares a victim of financial crisis It was a fantastic idea - but failed because the major change it sought to incentivise happened too slowly to escape the Scottish Government’s unprecedented spending squeeze. Faced with a slower post-Covid return to commuting than the rest of Britain, along with hugely-ambitious emissions reduction targets, ministers hit upon an experimental suspension of the higher ScotRail fares during morning and afternoon peak hours. It was aimed at encouraging people to switch from car to train, with the majority of ScotRail’s services now electrically hauled. The six-month trial from October last year was extended twice, to a year, it give it more chance after a series of winter storms reduced travel. But nine months in, it has so far failed to persuade enough folk to make the change, and ended up primarily benefitting existing rail passengers. Title: Re: pilot scheme in Scotland for cheap fares Post by: ChrisB on August 20, 2024, 20:46:46 And a price rise, so more than doubling in some cases....
From Sky News (https://news.sky.com/story/scotrail-peak-fares-to-return-as-pilot-scheme-scrapped-over-passenger-numbers-13200205) Quote A pilot scheme scrapping peak-time ScotRail fares will end next month following a "limited degree of success". Transport Scotland said the trial - subsidised by the Scottish government - cost £40m but "did not achieve its aims" of encouraging more people to swap their cars for rail travel. The scheme began in October last year and was extended past its initial six-month run. It will now come to an end on 27 September. The trial saw the cost of a rush hour ticket between Edinburgh and Glasgow drop from £28.90 to £14.90. Post-pilot, the fare will increase to £31.40. Those travelling between Inverness and Elgin also saw their fares drop from £22 to £14.40, while the ticket price between Glasgow and Stirling fell from £16.10 to £9.60. Critics have branded the decision as a "hammer blow" to commuters and the climate. Transport Secretary Fiona Hyslop said analysis showed the pilot primarily benefited existing train passengers and those with medium to higher incomes. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |