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Title: Is this a railway? Post by: grahame on January 06, 2023, 11:22:24 Luton Airport DART from the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-64164902)
Quote An airport shuttle that King Charles has already ridden on is due to open to the public by Easter. The Luton Direct Air-Rail Transit (DART) system, linking the airport with Luton Airport Parkway railway station, was approved in 2017 and was due to open by the end of 2020. Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: Mark A on January 06, 2023, 12:36:28 1.4 miles and £290 million. Ouch. Very close to the construction cost for the Scottish Borders Railway phase 1 to Tweedbank.
Mark Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: Bmblbzzz on January 06, 2023, 15:02:58 It runs on rails so I'd say, yes, it is a railway.
Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: stuving on January 06, 2023, 15:38:43 1.4 miles and £290 million. Ouch. Very close to the construction cost for the Scottish Borders Railway phase 1 to Tweedbank. Mark It's almost twice the length of the Gatwick Airport Shuttle Transit, which cost £45M to rebuild (i.e. no big civils) in 2008-10. That does the same job, and while runs on a different guideway, either could be called rails or not rails. That one uses its own motors rather than string, but I'd guess it ought to cost much the same. It's just what it costs to insert something under- or overground at an airport, at least if a few things go wrong along the way. Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: Electric train on January 06, 2023, 18:08:12 On the National railways the Permanent Way gangers used to be know as "Plate Layers" dating back to the early kind of railway a plateway, tramway or wagonway, where the rails are made from cast iron and were more flat iron plates with raised sides where conventional horse drawn waggons were used.
Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: grahame on March 11, 2023, 09:14:02 Behind a paywall in The Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/luton-dart-board-britains-newest-expensive-train-journey/)
Quote On board Britain’s newest – and most expensive – train journey I was among the first to travel on the new £4.90 Luton Dart, the country’s costliest per mile rail link How does that compare to the £28 single from Llanberis to Snowdon Summit? Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: Clan Line on March 11, 2023, 12:18:20 1.4 miles and £290 million. Mark I was looking around at the costs of various transport projects to see how much a motorway costs to build..................when I came across this in an old (2011) BBC news item: "The government is currently consulting on the first section of High Speed 2, a £17bn railway from London to Birmingham." Laugh or cry :D :'( ??? Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: ChrisB on March 12, 2023, 10:04:14 Behind a paywall in The Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/luton-dart-board-britains-newest-expensive-train-journey/) Quote On board Britain’s newest – and most expensive – train journey I was among the first to travel on the new £4.90 Luton Dart, the country’s costliest per mile rail link How does that compare to the £28 single from Llanberis to Snowdon Summit? Probably dearer - how long is that railway? It isn't £4.90 though until it properly opens....so they weren't. Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: TaplowGreen on March 12, 2023, 10:10:48 1.4 miles and £290 million. Mark I was looking around at the costs of various transport projects to see how much a motorway costs to build..................when I came across this in an old (2011) BBC news item: "The government is currently consulting on the first section of High Speed 2, a £17bn railway from London to Birmingham." Laugh or cry :D :'( ??? Both? Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: grahame on March 12, 2023, 11:00:36 Behind a paywall in The Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/luton-dart-board-britains-newest-expensive-train-journey/) Quote On board Britain’s newest – and most expensive – train journey I was among the first to travel on the new £4.90 Luton Dart, the country’s costliest per mile rail link How does that compare to the £28 single from Llanberis to Snowdon Summit? Probably dearer - how long is that railway? It isn't £4.90 though until it properly opens....so they weren't. Luton Parkway to Luton Airport - 1.4 miles at £4.90 = £3.50 per mile Llanberis to Summit - 5.0 miles at £28.00 = £5.60 per mile Lynmouth to Lynton - 0.2 miles at £5.00 = £10.00 per mile Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: Oxonhutch on March 12, 2023, 12:26:58 Lynmouth to Lynton - 0.2 miles at £5.00 = £10.00 per mile Is this horizontal or true distance travelled? :) Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: grahame on March 12, 2023, 16:09:29 Lynmouth to Lynton - 0.2 miles at £5.00 = £10.00 per mile Is this horizontal or true distance travelled? :) True distance. From https://www.cliffrailwaylynton.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022-Cliff-Railway-Visitor-Guide.pdf Quote Built in 1888, rising 500ft on 862ft of steep track with a gradient of 57% Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: stuving on March 12, 2023, 19:04:37 That is based on two assumptions: that horizontal and vertical distance are priced at the same rate, and that the overall price is the root-mean-square of those. Both assumptions are questionable, to say the least.
Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: grahame on March 12, 2023, 20:01:02 That is based on two assumptions: that horizontal and vertical distance are priced at the same rate, and that the overall price is the root-mean-square of those. Both assumptions are questionable, to say the least. The original article quotes "cost per mile" so is directional none-specific. It doesn't say up or down, east or west, or north or south. Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: rogerpatenall on March 13, 2023, 09:08:05 Lynmouth to Lynton - 0.2 miles at £5.00 = £10.00 per mile Apart from any other consideration, the math seems questionable to me. Title: Re: Is this a railway? Post by: grahame on April 27, 2023, 03:36:50 Behind a paywall in The Telegraph (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/news/luton-dart-board-britains-newest-expensive-train-journey/) Quote On board Britain’s newest – and most expensive – train journey I was among the first to travel on the new £4.90 Luton Dart, the country’s costliest per mile rail link How does that compare to the £28 single from Llanberis to Snowdon Summit? From Ian Visits (https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/cost-of-luton-airports-dart-already-cut-for-train-passengers-62096/) Quote When it opened in March, it was widely noted that per mile, it’s the most expensive railway in the UK, but no longer as they’ve already slashed the cost. The Luton DART typically costs £4.90 per single trip to link the local railway station to the airport, nearly double the cost of the bus shuttle it replaced. Added on top of the cost of the train trip to get to Luton Aiport Parkway station — which from London averages £12.40, it’s quite an expensive service. However, people travelling on the East Midlands Railway, which has launched a Luton Airport Express should now be able to pay just £10 for a single to/from London to Luton Airport, and that includes the cost of the DART service. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |