Title: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: dog box on May 03, 2008, 20:31:57 looks like FGW acheived over 90% for HST services during this period... A very bigWell done to all concerned prehaps now we can finaly put the First Late Western title out to grass.
Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: simonw on May 03, 2008, 21:10:28 One good month will not allow me to forget years of problems!
Also, punctuality figures are selectively chosen and therefore do not reflect the service you use. As Disraeli said ... There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. What I want is a clean, reliable train service. I still find it unacceptable that FGW are a bus company at weekends. For two-three years now, nearly every weekend BPW station has become a busy bus station with loads of bus's replacing trains due to work between BPW - Newport BPW - Swindon BPW - Filton BPW - Cheltenham I still remember the day last autumn when a I bought a return ticket from BPW to Liverpool Lime Street, and on leaving the ticket office, I was told the train was replaced with a bus to Cheltenham, then a bus from Cheltenham to Birmingham New Street, and there where no return buses or from Birmingham after 18:00! The only thing that stopped me going ballistic after spending ^50 for 6hr bus/train journey was another guard suggesting that I went via Filton-Netwport-Chester. A life saver courtesy of Arriva Wales! Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: vacman on May 03, 2008, 23:04:24 One good month will not allow me to forget years of problems! Surely bustitution due to engineering works is down to Network Rail?Also, punctuality figures are selectively chosen and therefore do not reflect the service you use. As Disraeli said ... There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. What I want is a clean, reliable train service. I still find it unacceptable that FGW are a bus company at weekends. For two-three years now, nearly every weekend BPW station has become a busy bus station with loads of bus's replacing trains due to work between BPW - Newport BPW - Swindon BPW - Filton BPW - Cheltenham I still remember the day last autumn when a I bought a return ticket from BPW to Liverpool Lime Street, and on leaving the ticket office, I was told the train was replaced with a bus to Cheltenham, then a bus from Cheltenham to Birmingham New Street, and there where no return buses or from Birmingham after 18:00! The only thing that stopped me going ballistic after spending ^50 for 6hr bus/train journey was another guard suggesting that I went via Filton-Netwport-Chester. A life saver courtesy of Arriva Wales! Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Mookiemoo on May 04, 2008, 00:18:05 looks like FGW acheived over 90% for HST services during this period... A very bigWell done to all concerned prehaps now we can finaly put the First Late Western title out to grass. I know I didnt get a discount when I renewed Problem is........... they have gone from everything 20 late (and on a two hour journey 20 minutes is nothing ) to most on time BUT the peak services being on time OR VERY late (on cotswolds) Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: stebbo on May 04, 2008, 12:36:11 My trip from Swindon to Paddington ten days ago was on time - first time in about a year (I travel about 12 or 14 times a year). Pity I had to stand all the way because the previous train was cancelled. (Suppose that's why we were on time).
Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Andy W on May 04, 2008, 14:13:31 How much of this is down to padding times?
Ten minute wait at Evesham, fifteen minute trip on to Moreton with another ten minute wait and so on. If you add the thick end of half an hour to the journey then arriving on time is hardly anything to get complacent about. Yes it saves FGW penalties but doesn't necessarily mean you get to your destination any more quickly. Looks good but far from convinced the service is actually that much better. However I could be proved wrong, how many services have improved that have not had padding times introduced? Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Btline on May 04, 2008, 15:42:38 I think it is only the Cotswold Line that has "Chronic Padding-itus!" It gets worse each year. Let's hope the disease does not spread...
But I agree, it is disgraceful that half and hour could be axed from the overall journey time. Then again, these days a XC Voyager from Penzance to Dundee can depart an hour late and still arrive early! ??? Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: r james on May 04, 2008, 17:07:30 Why is there so much engineering work affecting Bristol Parkway at the weekends???
I definetly think that punctuality has improved, my experience from journeys from and to Bridgebnd seems ot suggest that things now run on time, for the first time in years! Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: grahame on May 04, 2008, 17:32:20 Why is there so much engineering work affecting Bristol Parkway at the weekends??? Because it's trying to catch up with Chippenham and the TransWilts, where engineering works have been the norm ;D Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: grahame on May 04, 2008, 17:39:33 I definetly think that punctuality has improved, my experience from journeys from and to Bridgebnd seems ot suggest that things now run on time, for the first time in years! I am certainly noticing a dramatic reduction in the number of short term cancellations, trains missing out stops, and truncated routes with our running log (http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/running.php). In January and February, it was common to see 4% or more of trains so effected, and I think a whole month went by without a single instance of operations being within specification. Just a couple of minutes ago, I had a look and saw that 99.05% of trains were running to all their scheduled stations (we're now overrun with catering changes, but that's a different issue!) and I rejoice. It might be good having an easy target in FGW to take potshots at, and it might encourage more traffic on our web site here, but at the end of the day I want them to do well in getting the issues sorted out. And, yes, there is a selfish element. I want them to feel confident that they can run a decent TransWilts service for us, starting this December, to everyone's mutual benefit Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: John R on May 04, 2008, 17:50:35 Why is there so much engineering work affecting Bristol Parkway at the weekends??? I definetly think that punctuality has improved, my experience from journeys from and to Bridgebnd seems ot suggest that things now run on time, for the first time in years! Engineering work in the Severn Tunnel which means London trains are diverted via Gloucester. Happens every year, and is just one of those things. Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: dog box on May 04, 2008, 19:54:14 Severn tunnel is closed at weekends at the moment because NETWORK RAIL ,yes Network rail Not FGW are replacing and installing new Cable trays.
And if anyone need to know FGW run Trains and Network rail repair and maintain infrastructure ....it quite simple really Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: simonw on May 04, 2008, 19:55:53 Why is there so much engineering work affecting Bristol Parkway at the weekends??? I definetly think that punctuality has improved, my experience from journeys from and to Bridgebnd seems ot suggest that things now run on time, for the first time in years! Because BR/NR failed to do the work over the past 30 years! Engineering work on Severn Tunnel, Chipping Sodbury Tunnel, Wotton Basset Junction, or any where between means no trains, but buses. Engineering work between Cheltenham and Bristol TM or anywhere between means no trains but buses. Finally, the route is a very busy commuter route, so it is easier to suspend/alter weekend services to do the work. Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: vacman on May 05, 2008, 00:01:02 How much of this is down to padding times? It wont get you there quicker but at least you will know near enough what time you will arrive!Ten minute wait at Evesham, fifteen minute trip on to Moreton with another ten minute wait and so on. If you add the thick end of half an hour to the journey then arriving on time is hardly anything to get complacent about. Yes it saves FGW penalties but doesn't necessarily mean you get to your destination any more quickly. Looks good but far from convinced the service is actually that much better. However I could be proved wrong, how many services have improved that have not had padding times introduced? Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Mookiemoo on May 05, 2008, 00:08:21 How much of this is down to padding times? It wont get you there quicker but at least you will know near enough what time you will arrive!Ten minute wait at Evesham, fifteen minute trip on to Moreton with another ten minute wait and so on. If you add the thick end of half an hour to the journey then arriving on time is hardly anything to get complacent about. Yes it saves FGW penalties but doesn't necessarily mean you get to your destination any more quickly. Looks good but far from convinced the service is actually that much better. However I could be proved wrong, how many services have improved that have not had padding times introduced? Not good enough In 2004 - WOS to PAD took roughly 1 hour 50 minutes (0630 arrived 0820ish) PAD - WOS took about 2 hours REturn journey (1824 arrived 2025ish) NOW: 0632 arrives 0850 - 2 hours and 20 minutes and too late to get to the office 1821 arrive 2044 - 2 hours and 23 minutes End result - no good to the commuter The only possible commuter train is the 0545 from WOS - but given the night train get you in later that is LESS time at home so gets into the is it worth it category. If you can afford 1st it is - if not, then its not. REsult: Increase in profit for london hotels Decrease daly/more than once a week use from the Evesham/worcester area Sorry - as a passenger I'd rather the hope of getting home in less than two hours and 1/2 a week being wrong than guaranteed up to half an hour sitting at stations waiting for departure time (and paying more for the privilege). Of course, if FGW could sort out their operational issues then there would be no need to compromise. Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: vacman on May 05, 2008, 21:26:14 But 99% of passengers would rather their train was realisticly timed so it gets to where its supposed to get on time.
Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Shazz on May 05, 2008, 22:25:37 And that way we dont have to listen to you complaining they're late every day ::) ::)
Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: r james on May 05, 2008, 22:52:42 With respet to the 2004 timings, how many actually arrived on time, a a percentage? Surely if not many ever arrived on time, it proves that it just inst a realisticly viable time?
Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Mookiemoo on May 05, 2008, 23:16:27 And that way we dont have to listen to you complaining they're late every day ::) ::) I only ever complained about VERY late trains - I always said anything up to 15-20 minutes was on time. Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Mookiemoo on May 05, 2008, 23:21:43 With respet to the 2004 timings, how many actually arrived on time, a a percentage? Surely if not many ever arrived on time, it proves that it just inst a realisticly viable time? Morning 0630ish train - on time within 5 minutes most mornings Evening train - 3/5 The fact they could hit it 60% of the time meant it was realistic - they just could not handle the unexpected. It is not a good thing to spend 10-15 minutes on 4/5 journeys waiting for departure time (with the opposite direction train also waiting for its departure time) when you suddenly have to pay 10% more each month and you KNOW the reason for no discount is that the trains leave and arrive at the same time they always did Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Andy W on May 05, 2008, 23:53:31 But 99% of passengers would rather their train was realisticly timed so it gets to where its supposed to get on time. I'm also sure 99% of people don't want to spend 10 mins waiting at various stations because FGW are out of their depth running an efficient timetable. It may be different on other parts of the network but the Cotswold line is a joke. The padding is nothing to do with accurate arrival times and everything to do with dodging fines for lack for punctuality because they can't hack it when it comes to being efficient. Yes you know when you will arrive now, but that was always the case -- LATE With respet to the 2004 timings, how many actually arrived on time, a a percentage? Surely if not many ever arrived on time, it proves that it just inst a realisticly viable time? FGW published the timetable, it is deliverable, unfortunately they don't have the procedures or the discipline to do it. Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: dog box on May 06, 2008, 08:58:59 Andy you know as well as i do the problems on the Cotswold line are mainly down to trying to run a decent service over what is essentially a single track railway....sorry but remarks about dodging fines etc is utter rubbish
Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Mookiemoo on May 06, 2008, 09:07:32 Andy you know as well as i do the problems on the Cotswold line are mainly down to trying to run a decent service over what is essentially a single track railway....sorry but remarks about dodging fines etc is utter rubbish Well to the uneducated it seems that is what it is about Prior to 2006, the service ran usually late but not so late it was an issue. 60% of the time you got there on time which proived it was realistic - but they had to give discounts and pay fines for not being punctual enough Suddenly - more padding than you would see in a teenage girls wonder bra and hey presto - no discounts and no fines. For the same appalling service. Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Andy W on May 06, 2008, 09:30:21 Andy you know as well as i do the problems on the Cotswold line are mainly down to trying to run a decent service over what is essentially a single track railway....sorry but remarks about dodging fines etc is utter rubbish Hi Dog Box (how do you get that name?) FGW are a commercial operation - profit is their objective. The easiest way to reduce expenditure on fines etc. is to introduce so much slack that they comply with the timetable. It's a commercial decision pure and simple. Yes the single line is clearly unhelpful but is also an easy excuse to use. Obviously doubling the track is the best fix but please notice the response BTlines got from the ORR 'Much of the business case would be based on the amount of delay (and payments made by Network Rail to train operating companies (TOCs) as a result of it) that would be saved. ' As soon as some bright spark realises that a rescheduled timetable both reduces delays and the subsequent penalty payments the main thrust of the re-doubling business case goes down the toilet. If you don't believe me watch Yes Minister to see the games they play. Unintended consequences can be very dangerous. Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Btline on May 06, 2008, 20:17:49 Of course it is possible for a decent unslacked service to be run on the Cotsowld line.
It is just that FGW are not up to it. Yes, due to the singe track, if there is a problem is will build up. But the fact of the matter is, these delays occur too often - I wonder how they start? With my experience of regular travel on double lines, I seem to pass a train in the same place each day - with only a few exceptions, meaning that if single track existed except a loop at that point, I would be delayed rarely, nor would my train delay much! The point that I am making is that these delays should not get started as often, thus preventing knock on effects... Obviously, I acknowledge that double the trains are now running on the downgraded infrastructure than originally intended. In order to decrease their output spending, they add slack / make the final arrival time (at Hereford or Padd etc.) rather generous. The answer is generous turnaround time, which I suppose exists as much as possible (but NB the Cambrian Line - another single track line which is the bane of ATW's life- trains are given only 5 mins at Aber to turn around (mad), 15 at New Street (perhaps- BNS is congested)). But it is fine for m to be saying this Let's hope that double track is laid soon on the CL, and we shall see the results..... Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: stebbo on May 09, 2008, 22:18:35 As I've just said on another topic, the Cotswold Line has just got worse and worse especially if you travel from Hereford/Worcester and just want a reasonably fast, on time service - OK, I agree that a 5 or 10 minute delay is OK, but now it's regularly 20 mins or more.
Padding is just so obvious and I get more and more turned off each year as the timings get slower and slower. Mind you, FGW aren't the only ones - British Airways learnt that trick years ago. I recall back in the late 1990s spending as much time fiddling around on the ground at Heathrow as it took to actually fly to Brussels. Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: John R on May 09, 2008, 22:53:04 Just as well you can take the train now in under 2 hrs.
Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: Mookiemoo on May 09, 2008, 23:15:51 Just as well you can take the train now in under 2 hrs. Not from Hereford OR heathrow! Title: Re: April punctuality figures Post by: miniman on May 17, 2008, 11:23:41 Sorry - as a passenger I'd rather the hope of getting home in less than two hours and 1/2 a week being wrong than guaranteed up to half an hour sitting at stations waiting for departure time (and paying more for the privilege). Of course, if FGW could sort out their operational issues then there would be no need to compromise. Good grief :feints: I think we agree on something! ;D Title: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 26, 2009, 15:21:10 From the Press Association (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5j8-j45Z7j_TuZUyYcd1bd7t2Z_Rg):
Quote Annual train punctuality has reached the 90% mark for the first time since records began in 1992, Network Rail (NR) has announced. A total of 90.6% of trains ran on time in the 12 months ending in March, while the figure for April was a monthly record of 93.5%. When NR took over responsibility for rail infrastructure from Railtrack in 2002, punctuality was less than 79%. Best-performing company in 2008/09 was the London to Tilbury and Southend operator c2c, which achieved a trains-on-time figure of 95.3%. Chiltern and Merseyrail also reached the 95% mark. Two companies - Virgin Trains and London Midland - did significantly worse in 2008/09 than in 2007/08 due to the disruption caused by the ^9 billion upgrade of the West Coast Main Line, which was completed last December. Virgin's punctuality figure slipped from 86.2% in 2007/08 to 80.0% in 2008/09, while London Midland declined from 88.9% to 86.5%. The biggest year-on-year improvement was made by First Great Western, whose punctuality rose from 83.1% in 2007/08 to 90.5% in 2008/09. Please note that, in the context of some recent posts on this forum, I have taken the unusual step of adding my own emphasis, in bold, to certain parts of this article. Chris. Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: Btline on May 26, 2009, 17:30:36 It should be noted that the LM's Snow Hill Lines reached 95% punctuality.
This shows LM's true colours (i.e. what they can achieve without WCML woes), as Central Trains never got anywhere near that high! Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: inspector_blakey on May 26, 2009, 19:03:23 A well deserved bouquet to FGW for such a big improvement, methinks!
Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: John R on May 26, 2009, 19:25:46 Can we start thinking of taking some of the massive amounts of recovery time out of the timetable now then? It struck me on my recent trip to Glasgow how much shorter were the station stops, typically 45 secs to a minute, whereas on time FGW services stand for 2 to 3 minutes at most stops (and 9 at BTM tonight, followed by another 3 at Nailsea).
Maybe it's because Virgin want a headline journey time Birmingham to Glasgow of under 4 hours, whereas FGW don't really care what the overall journey time is. Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: gwr2006 on May 26, 2009, 20:28:29 Can we start thinking of taking some of the massive amounts of recovery time out of the timetable now then? It struck me on my recent trip to Glasgow how much shorter were the station stops, typically 45 secs to a minute, whereas on time FGW services stand for 2 to 3 minutes at most stops (and 9 at BTM tonight, followed by another 3 at Nailsea). Maybe it's because Virgin want a headline journey time Birmingham to Glasgow of under 4 hours, whereas FGW don't really care what the overall journey time is. Recovery time, pathing allowances, or engineering allowances are not the same thing as station dwell time. Trains that have automatic doors (such as Virgin West Coast's Pendolinos) can get away with having less dwell time than a train with manual doors (such as FGW's HSTs) as the train manager can control them and make sure they are closed whereas with manual doors they have to allow time for passengers leaving them ajar. If people want less dwell time they could help by getting into the habit of closing doors behind them! All allowances are set out by Network Rail in their Rules of the Plan and Rules of the Route and all timetaales have to comply with them. Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: John R on May 26, 2009, 21:02:39 I do appreciate that they are different, and that it's a lot easier to control station working with a modern train with automatic doors. But the main reason why trains dwell so long on FGW is that the timings are so slack that they arrive early.
Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 26, 2009, 21:11:47 I have to say that I agree with John R: see previous posts on this forum, regarding timetable slack, and early arrivals (and indeed early departures!) ::)
Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: Oxman on May 26, 2009, 21:42:59 I am mystified by some of the comments here. My experience is in the east of the franchise - Reading/Didcot/Oxford etc - where the standard allowance at stations is two minutes. The actual time taken depends upon the number of customers boarding/alighting, and the number of dispatchers, plus other more random factors, such as bikes and assisted travel. The concept of extended station stops and early departures is completely foreign to me. For the majority of instances, its a case of getting the train out as quickly as possible.
At Reading, the plan is to have three dispatchers on platforms 4, 5 and 8. This allows all the doors to be closed and checked fairly quickly - even in the peaks this can be done in under two minutes. Often, its a case of waiting for the signal to clear, followed by a quick dispatch. Elsewhere, its either a single dispatcher (asisted by the TM) or, at most, two dispatchers, and even then, dispatch within two minutes is the norm. At unmanned stations, it all comes down to the efficiency of the TM and the goodwill of customers in closing doors. HSTs on the Cotswolds and on Thames Valley stoppers have longer dwell times, simply because doors have to be closed manually. Its common practice to double man some of these trains, to help get them away quickly. I can only assume that the extended dwell times apply somewhere out west - they certainly could not apply at, for example, platform 4 at Reading. Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: thetrout on May 26, 2009, 22:59:52 I'd be interested to know what Wrexham & Shropshire's punctuallity figures are... From what i've heard, they are doing quite well for themselves ;D
Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: Mookiemoo on May 26, 2009, 23:25:05 I'd be interested to know what Wrexham & Shropshire's punctuallity figures are... From what i've heard, they are doing quite well for themselves ;D They are my franchise of choice - I cant find anything that equals them in terms of punctuality or service Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: cereal_basher on May 26, 2009, 23:35:39 I'd be interested to know what Wrexham & Shropshire's punctuallity figures are... From what i've heard, they are doing quite well for themselves ;D They are my franchise of choice - I cant find anything that equals them in terms of punctuality or service Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: John R on May 26, 2009, 23:41:27 I can only assume that the extended dwell times apply somewhere out west - they certainly could not apply at, for example, platform 4 at Reading. Certainly down services regularly pause awhile at Swindon, Chippenham, Bath, and arrive 5 minutes early into Bristol. If I remember I will try and time the journey in detail one day and will share the results. Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: inspector_blakey on May 27, 2009, 11:11:27 Services that terminate in Bristol (and I suspect ones that carry on through Temple Meads to points west) have some recovery time added after Bath, with non-stop high speed services scheduled for 11 - 13 minutes BRI - BTH but 15 minutes BTH - BRI.
However, if you want an example of excessive padding added at stations, try taking a journey on Cross Country where five-minute station dwell (most of it spent simply waiting "right time") seems to be the rule when things are running smoothly. Title: Re: 'Record number of trains ran on time' Post by: IndustryInsider on May 27, 2009, 15:33:13 I can only assume that the extended dwell times apply somewhere out west - they certainly could not apply at, for example, platform 4 at Reading. Taking the 05:02 Worcester SH-Paddington (which I was just discussing on another thread). This train will often arrive Oxford just before 06:25 where it is then booked a 5-minute stop before leaving at 06:30. It will then often arrive at Reading at about 06:54 and waits for its 06:58 booked departure - another 4 minutes. Add to that the fact it's allowed some 31 minutes to run fast to Paddington and that's one example where extended dwell times certainly do apply near London. Granted, there are some examples of where running time and station time are very tight, but the example above is by no means unique. Title: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: willc on June 22, 2009, 23:36:14 Network Rail have released new punctuality stats, showing FGW at 94.6 per cent on time in period to end of May, up 5.3 per cent year from the same period a year ago. Extract below.
Full release, and link to Word document listing all operators, is at http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4453&NewsAreaID=2&SearchCategoryID=2 (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Content/Detail.asp?ReleaseID=4453&NewsAreaID=2&SearchCategoryID=2) TRAIN PUNCTUALITY REACHES NEW RECORD HIGH Monday 22 June 2009 01:00 The number of trains arriving on time^ on Britain's railways reached a new record annual high^ in the year to 30 May 2009 as 90.8% of services arrived punctually. The highest level of train punctuality since comparable records^ began almost 20 years ago (1992). Today sees Network Rail publish its second monthly report on train performance, a regular four weekly round-up of how trains across all the franchises on Britain's railways are performing. Period 2, May 3 to 30 2009, saw 93.4% (91.7% last year) of services across the country arrive on time with 16 of the 19 train operators seeing improvement compared to the same period last year. Nine operators saw significant movement in their performance (over two percentage points): ...............................P2 2009,-- P2 2008,-- % point change East Midlands Trains, - 93.5%, - 87.2%, - +6.3 First Great Western, - 94.6%, - 89.3%, - +5.3 Virgin Trains, - 84.6%, - 80.8%, - +3.8 National Express East Coast, - 92.5%, - 89.5%, - +3 Northern Rail, - 94.2%, - 91.4%, - +2.8 London Midland, - 90.4%, - 87.7%, - +2.7 First Transpennine Express, - 94.7%, - 92.1%, - +2.6 Arriva Trains Wales, - 95.6%, - 93%, - +2.6 Southeastern, - 92.9%, - 90.4%, - +2.5 Robin Gisby, director of operations and customer service, said: "Passengers across the network are reaping the real benefits of a high performing, punctual railway. Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: Tim on June 23, 2009, 09:03:53 Well done to everyone who contributedto this
Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: Phil on June 23, 2009, 09:22:03 Without wishing to sound churlish, I have to say that when a company only bothers to run two trains in any 24 hour period from one end of Wiltshire to the other, it's not exactly difficult to be punctual...
Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: Mookiemoo on June 23, 2009, 10:30:03 And after the cock up this morning, doesnt make me feel any better!
Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 23, 2009, 12:22:27 sunday was the first time in over a year that i was on a late fgw service and it managed to make up time and still be in early at exeter, i guess the okehampton service is well padded
Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: willc on June 23, 2009, 13:15:21 And after the cock up this morning, doesnt make me feel any better! and this cock-up would be what exactly? Things do go wrong elsewhere too, including on btline's favorite operator - currently showing on Chiltern's website: 11:40 Stratford-Upon-Avon to London Marylebone due 13:56 This train is being delayed between Stratford-Upon-Avon and London Marylebone. This train has been cancelled. This is due to animals on the line. May not be their fault, but not great when the next train isn't for two hours Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: Mookiemoo on June 23, 2009, 14:02:34 And after the cock up this morning, doesnt make me feel any better! and this cock-up would be what exactly? Things do go wrong elsewhere too, including on btline's favorite operator - currently showing on Chiltern's website: 11:40 Stratford-Upon-Avon to London Marylebone due 13:56 This train is being delayed between Stratford-Upon-Avon and London Marylebone. This train has been cancelled. This is due to animals on the line. May not be their fault, but not great when the next train isn't for two hours Laying bed debating whether or not to get the 0535 as I had a training course I wa delivering at 0930. Decided against it since I get to slough at 0855ish and its only five minutes in a cab. Get the0624 Just at Morton and the TM starts hammering at the door panel. Goes on for a good ten minutes - something to do with the key being stuck. We continue and get to Oxford on time (there's the padding again!) only to have the hammering resume. 15 minutes of this, several calls to control and G and H are evacuated into F and SC (anticipating this I had one of the few seats in F by this time) and we continue. Get into Reading at 0833 - two minutes after the 0831 has left. Everything else now running 15-20 minutes late. The 0847 (?) which stops at maidenhead and not slough leaves at 0905 - this I get and finish my journey with a taxi from maidenhead to slough (at a cost of 30 quid) and get to work only 10 minutes after my delegates have started contemplating their navel. I did this, because the 0903 was going to run from reading none stop to west drayton and the next train to stop at slough was the 0916 which was going to call all stations and resemble a sardine can and I know from experience would not get me into the office until nearly 10 anyway. So - Taxi = 30 quid Hotel tonight = unknown as yet since im going to be stuck here late doing prep I could have done in that half hour from 0900 to 0930 and i will is the 1922! Thanks FGW I know - **** happens - im just understandably hacked off (especially since I left my bag of tricks at home which had my season ticket and modem in it!) Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: devon_metro on June 23, 2009, 17:38:55 Had two excellent journeys today, on time and a seat. Even if it was an Anytime fare :'(
Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: Wolvercote Wanderer on June 23, 2009, 21:23:44 Well done to the FGW troops who run the operation! Hopefully, the operator will start to shake off its bad reputation it picked up a few years ago.
I often travel from Oxford to the west or South Wales so I always need to change at Didcot... most of my trains run like clockwork (not literally). And whilst the connections aren't perfect (you can watch the Oxford train leave Didcot as you arrive from Bristol!), at least the trains are usually on time. Although sometimes a slight delay on the xx:25 off Didcot to Oxford would be appreciated. There are many things I could moan about FGW but I suppose they do deserve some praise from time-to-time. Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: Ollie on June 24, 2009, 22:25:03 And after the cock up this morning, doesnt make me feel any better! and this cock-up would be what exactly? Things do go wrong elsewhere too, including on btline's favorite operator - currently showing on Chiltern's website: 11:40 Stratford-Upon-Avon to London Marylebone due 13:56 This train is being delayed between Stratford-Upon-Avon and London Marylebone. This train has been cancelled. This is due to animals on the line. May not be their fault, but not great when the next train isn't for two hours Laying bed debating whether or not to get the 0535 as I had a training course I wa delivering at 0930. Decided against it since I get to slough at 0855ish and its only five minutes in a cab. Get the0624 Just at Morton and the TM starts hammering at the door panel. Goes on for a good ten minutes - something to do with the key being stuck. We continue and get to Oxford on time (there's the padding again!) only to have the hammering resume. 15 minutes of this, several calls to control and G and H are evacuated into F and SC (anticipating this I had one of the few seats in F by this time) and we continue. Get into Reading at 0833 - two minutes after the 0831 has left. Everything else now running 15-20 minutes late. The 0847 (?) which stops at maidenhead and not slough leaves at 0905 - this I get and finish my journey with a taxi from maidenhead to slough (at a cost of 30 quid) and get to work only 10 minutes after my delegates have started contemplating their navel. I did this, because the 0903 was going to run from reading none stop to west drayton and the next train to stop at slough was the 0916 which was going to call all stations and resemble a sardine can and I know from experience would not get me into the office until nearly 10 anyway. So - Taxi = 30 quid Hotel tonight = unknown as yet since im going to be stuck here late doing prep I could have done in that half hour from 0900 to 0930 and i will is the 1922! Thanks FGW I know - **** happens - im just understandably hacked off (especially since I left my bag of tricks at home which had my season ticket and modem in it!) Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: inspector_blakey on June 25, 2009, 00:01:29 Given the complexity of the network that FGW operates by comparison with the much more self-contained networks of smaller operators that are often vaunted as examples of punctuality (I'm thinking c2c, Merseyrail and the sainted Chiltern...) 94.6% is a remarkable achievement. Well done to everyone at FGW!
Title: Re: FGW punctuality up again Post by: JayMac on June 25, 2009, 04:12:05 Praise where praise is due. Well done to all at FGW! And begrudging thanks to the part(s) of Network Rail responsible for areas where FGW run.
Interesting to see that the bottom two performers are yet again VT and LM. And they're running on an 'upgrade completed' (Dec 2008) WCML. Here's a tip Mr Coucher - Don't spend ^9 billion, then pose proudly next to a 125mph sign, when the project is anything but complete. Oh, and spend a bit more than tuppence ha'penny of that ^9 billion on signalling. Well done to VT and LM for improving punctuality despite NR's best efforts! I'm dreading the Reading 'remodelling' and other upcoming large infrastructure projects. Here's hoping NR have learned from the WCML debacle. I'm an optomist, but I'm still crossing my fingers! Title: Train punctuality improves but East Coast route worsens Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 14, 2010, 17:26:49 From the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8619868.stm):
Quote Train punctuality across Britain has improved compared with the same time last year but is worse on a main line in public hands, figures show. Network Rail (NR) said the number of trains on time last month was up from 92.7% to 93.5% on the national network. The worst showing was by government-run company East Coast, between London and Scotland, down 4.9% points to 87.0%. East Coast said it had been affected by major disruptions due to severe weather conditions during the period involved. The best performing company was c2C on the London to Tilbury and Southend route with 97.5% of its trains on time. The biggest improvement in performance was by Virgin Trains on the West Coast Main Line with a rise of 7.6% points to 91.0%. CrossCountry services saw a large fall in punctuality of 4.1% points to 89.2%. Robin Gisby, NR's director of operations and customer services, said: "Passengers continue to enjoy a high-performing, punctual railway. We, and the train operators, continue to invest in the railway to make it even better by providing more capacity, better stations and fewer buses. The immediate threat of a national rail strike is behind us and talks to resolve the situation with our trades unions continue. We believe an amicable settlement, without the need for further ballots or threats of strike action, is possible." The East Coast Main Line franchise was taken over by the Department for Transport in November 2009. Falling revenue and rising costs had left previous operator National Express unable to meet a commitment to pay ^1.4bn for the business until 2015. East Coast said it was working closely with Network Rail to "deliver robust joint action plans" to improve punctuality. A spokesman said: "Unfortunately, during this period, performance was affected by severe weather conditions, including landslips and flooding, which at two locations blocked our route for two days. We also had to contend with an increased number of fatalities, train fleet reliability issues and major engineering work over nine weekends at one of the busiest locations on the East Coast Main Line at Hitchin. We continued to operate trains through the Hitchin area on each weekend, at reduced speed, rather than having to transfer customers to replacement buses." Title: Re: Train punctuality improves but East Coast route worsens Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 14, 2010, 18:11:07 For those interested in the actual figures, see the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/TRAIN-SERVICES-GET-EVEN-MORE-PUNCTUAL-1417/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx) ;)
Title: Rail punctuality in Great Western is Britain's top ten best Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 17, 2010, 20:53:00 From the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/RAIL-PUNCTUALITY-IN-GREAT-WESTERN-IS-BRITAIN-S-TOP-TEN-BEST-1455/SearchCategoryID-7.aspx):
Quote The railway in Great Western has one of the highest number of trains arriving on time, according to the latest train performance records released by Network Rail today. First Great Western continues to outperform target, with an annual average of 92.4% of trains arriving on time by the end of April - the first month of the operating year. Chris Rayner, director of operations and customer services, said: "Today^s records mark a positive start for the year. Train punctuality continues to go from strength to strength and just in March, we ended the year with performance results in Great Western at its highest in 13 years. Delivering an even better service for our customers and for passengers remains our primary focus as high levels of investment to beat bottlenecks and overcrowding continue." First Great Western^s Managing Director, Mark Hopwood, said: ^We work closely together with Network Rail to deliver the best possible service to our customers and are very pleased with how far we^ve come. However, there is still more to do and we look forward to conitiuing to work side by side to improve our performance even further.^ Across the country, 94.0% of services arrived on time between 1 April ^ 1 May. This compares to 93.6% in same period, period 1, last year. In all, 11 of the 19 operators saw their performance improve, or stay at record high levels, compared to the same period last year. Title: East Coast trains least punctual: Network Rail figures for Aug/Sep 2010 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 30, 2010, 17:19:29 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11444412):
Quote The UK's only public sector train firm had the poorest punctuality last month, figures have shown. The London to Scotland East Coast line had 85.2% of trains on time - the only passenger train company not to achieve a punctuality figure of at least 91%. The figures from Network Rail, which owns and operates the rail network, cover 22 August to 18 September. The UK operator said the East Coast delays were mainly caused by factors out of its control such as cable theft. The theft at Newark in Nottinghamshire on 10 September brought the East Coast line to a halt for many hours, Network Rail said. Problems with overhead lines on 31 August south of Peterborough also affected East Coast services, it added. East Coast services are operated on behalf of the Department for Transport. Overall, the train companies averaged 93.5% punctuality during the four-week period - down slightly on the same period last year. Chiltern trains were the most punctual in September, with 97.3% running on time, and 13 of the 19 companies had improved their performance compared to last September. Virgin Trains, which operates the West Coast Main Line, was the most improved, up from 89% to 91.3%. Network Rail director Robin Gisby said September had been a good month for delivering a high-quality, punctual service to millions of passengers and freight users. An East Coast spokesman said it would have hit its punctuality target had it not been for continued factors outside its control. "For the second consecutive four-week period, the top three causes of delay were due to infrastructure and other external factors including cable theft, damage to overhead power lines and breakdowns involving other operators' trains," he said. The Association of Train Operating Companies said the rail industry was committed to improving services, as demonstrated by the "consistently high levels of punctuality". Title: Re: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 27, 2010, 11:37:05 Latest figures, from the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/TRAIN-PERFORMANCE-DIPS-IN-OCTOBER-15f8/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx):
Quote TRAIN PERFORMANCE DIPS IN OCTOBER Train performance in October saw a marked dip for Britain's train services. Network Rail today released the latest train performance results which saw 86.3% of trains arriving on time compared with 90.3% for the same period last year. Period eight (17 October to 13 November) is the first full month of the difficult autumn period that historically sees train performance fall. Average train punctuality for period eight over the last ten years has been 77.6%. Robin Gisby, director of operations and customer services, said: ^The railway has made great strides in reducing the impact of the autumn weather over the past decade, but the start of this year's has been difficult resulting in disappointing train punctuality. "The industry has invested heavily, some ^30m, in technology and techniques targeted at lessening the impact of autumn. We aim to deliver much better performance in the weeks ahead." 18 of the 19 operators saw their performance drop compared to the same period last year. London Overground was the most punctual operator during the period with 94.0% of trains on time. 10 operators saw significant movement in their performance (over three percentage points) Title: Re: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 24, 2010, 22:57:42 Updated figures, from the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/TRAIN-PERFORMANCE-HIT-BY-SEVERE-WINTER-WEATHER-1634/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx):
Quote TRAIN PERFORMANCE HIT BY SEVERE WINTER WEATHER The severe winter weather continues to affect train performance across most parts of the country. During the 28 day period up to 11 December (period nine), especially in Scotland, the north east and across the south east of England train performance dipped to 81.7% of trains arriving on time compared with 89.4% for the same period last year. Robin Gisby, Network Rail's director of operations and customer services, said: ^Passengers will appreciate that these harsh weather conditions make it very difficult to maintain both capacity and punctuality. We took an early decision to keep as many people moving as possible by prioritising which routes to keep open to run the maximum number of trains possible. Reliability becomes more important to passengers than high levels of punctuality. ^As of today, the railway remains open for business although several train operators are running revised timetables because of some operating constraints with the infrastructure or a shortage of available trains. We are currently planning to run greater than 90% of a normal service. Regrettably, some services may not run and punctuality remains much lower than we would like. Our priority is to run as many services safely and reliably and to work jointly with the operators to provide the most up to date information to passengers.^ During period nine, 18 of the 19 operators saw their performance dip compared to the same period last year. Chiltern Railways was the most punctual operator during the period with 94.4% of trains on time. Fourteen operators saw significant movement in their performance (over three percentage points) Title: Re: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 06, 2011, 12:43:42 From the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/TRAIN-PERFORMANCE-HIT-BY-SEVERE-WINTER-WEATHER-1668/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx):
Quote TRAIN PERFORMANCE HIT BY SEVERE WINTER WEATHER Continued severe winter weather during December hit train punctuality during the period, Network Rail reported today. The latest train performance results reported that 81% of trains arrived on time compared with 80% for the same period last year. Period 10 (12 December to 8 January) included more severe winter weather and the coldest December ever recorded in Great Britain. Robin Gisby, director of operations and customer services, said: "During the recent tough weather, many passengers saw disruption to their journeys. Whilst most trains ran and we kept all the major routes open, passengers and freight users did not receive the high levels of service they have come to expect and rightly demand. "We endeavoured to run as many trains as possible and sometimes put capacity ahead of punctuality. Working closely with train operators, Network Rail is looking at what we can do to further reduce the impact of extreme weather on passenger journeys and improve the flow of information to passengers." Title: Re: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 18, 2011, 10:57:20 Latest figures, from the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/TRAIN-PERFORMANCE-BOUNCES-BACK-16b2/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx):
Quote TRAIN PERFORMANCE BOUNCES BACK Train punctuality has bounced back to over 90% on time following the difficult winter conditions of December. The latest train performance results reported that 90.3% of trains arrived on time compared with 89.5% for the same period last year. A result achieved despite the lingering effects of the severe weather on both the infrastructure and some rolling stock. Period 11 (9 January to 5 February) saw train performance recover from the recent bout of severe winter weather to the normal high levels. Robin Gisby, director of operations and customer services, said: "It is good to see train performance bounce back and start to recover to the high levels passengers, and our customers, have come to expect. "While this is good news, our focus remains on bringing all train operators up to the level of the very best performers and we are re-focussing our efforts, in partnership with the train operators, to improve the level of service experienced on the East Coast Main Line." Seven of the 19 operators saw their performance improve compared to the same period last year. London Overground was the most punctual operator during the period with 96.4% of trains on time. Eight operators saw significant movement in their performance (over three percentage points). Title: Re: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 19, 2011, 00:06:12 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12506293):
Quote East Coast trains 'less punctual' Government-run train operator East Coast had 8.8% fewer trains on time in January this year than January 2010, despite milder weather, figures show. Network Rail also revealed 11 of Britain's 19 train companies ran fewer punctual services last month compared with last year's snow-hit January. However, overall 90.3% of trains ran on time - an improvement on the January 2010 figure of 89.5%. Most East Coast delays were caused by "external factors", a spokesman said. The government took over the running of the East Coast mainline - one of Britain's busiest train routes - in November 2009 after its operator, National Express, defaulted on its franchise. Run on behalf of the Department for Transport before a return to the private sector, it was the worst-performing company in this period, operating 80.9% of trains on time. The best-performing company was the Transport for London-managed London Overground which achieved a trains-on-time figure of 96.4%. The company improving most was Virgin Trains with a punctuality figure on its West Coast services of 86.9% - a 9% rise on its January 2010 performance. NR operations and customer services director Robin Gisby said: "It is good to see train performance bounce back and start to recover to the high levels passengers, and our customers, have come to expect. While this is good news, our focus remains on bringing all train operators up to the level of the very best performers and we are re-focusing our efforts, in partnership with the train operators, to improve the level of service experienced on the East Coast Main Line." An East Coast spokesman said: "Around four-fifths of our delays continue to be caused by external factors, such as cable theft, trespassers on the railway, weather-related problems and issues relating to the infrastructure." But passenger group Passenger Focus was critical of the delays on East Coast over the past month, and of the definition of "on time". A train is on time if it reaches its end destination within 10 minutes of its specified time, even if it has been arriving at stations "half-an-hour later" en route. Ashwin Kumar, passenger Focus rail director said: "Our research shows that passengers' satisfaction with punctuality has been dropping. Delivering trains on time is key to keeping passengers happy. With as many as one in five trains at least 10 minutes late at their destination, many passengers will know only too well the frustration of not being able to rely on the East Coast timetable." "But these figures only show part of the story. No information is available about trains running behind schedule along the route and most passengers don't think of 10 minutes late as 'on time'. Passenger Focus research shows that satisfaction on longer-distance journeys starts to drop after only four to six minutes of delay, not 10 minutes." Title: Re: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 17, 2011, 18:03:46 From the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/TRAIN-PERFORMANCE-HITS-RECORD-HIGH-FOR-FEBRUARY-16e8/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx):
Quote TRAIN PERFORMANCE HITS RECORD HIGH FOR FEBRUARY Train punctuality for February reached a record high of over 92% - the best February figure on record. The latest train performance results reported that 92.4% of trains arrived on time compared with 91.8% for the same period last year. Period 12 (6 February to 5 March) saw train performance continue its recovery following December^s severe weather to its normal high levels. Robin Gisby, director of operations and customer services, said: "Trains on time are what matter most to passengers, train operators and Network Rail. This is the good service we must deliver, day in, day out. Network Rail still has areas to improve, particularly for operators who use the East Coast Main Line. While there has been an improvement in performance compared to last month, there is still some way to go to reach the high standards we set for ourselves and which our customers rightly expect.^ Ten of the 19 operators saw their performance improve compared to the same period last year. The most punctual operator during the period was c2c with 96.5% of trains on time. Title: Re: Train punctuality figures, from Network Rail Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 18, 2011, 18:23:30 From the Network Rail press release (http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/MARCH-S-TRAIN-PERFORMANCE-AT-93-171a/SearchCategoryID-2.aspx):
Quote MARCH'S TRAIN PERFORMANCE AT 93% Train operator c2c ^ which runs services between London and Essex ^ saw 97.4% of its trains arrive on time in March making it Britain's most punctual operator for the month. Overall, across the country, train punctuality for the month reached 92.9%, slightly down on last year's 93.5%, but still the second best for the period on record. The month, period 13 ran from 6 March to 31 March. Year end performance data for the French railways for the past year (January 2010 to December 2010) has also recently been published. It reports intercity punctuality, including its high speed TGV lines of 80.6%, while commuter and regional services averaged 90.3% for the year** Robin Gisby, director of operations and customer services, said: "We have had a strong end to the year with good levels of punctuality yet there is more to do, especially on improving performance for long distance services.^ East Coast has seen punctuality jump almost a three percentage points compared to last month as the operator has successfully reduced its delays and driven up the performance of its train fleet to the best in class. Network Rail is working hard on improving the reliability of its infrastructure on the East Coast Main Line and on managing those external factors, such as cable theft, that have such a big impact on train performance. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |