Title: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: grahame on March 03, 2022, 09:48:30 From Steve Smith of Bedwyn Trains Passenger Group - circulated to all the group, so now "public domain"
Quote Message from Bedwyn Trains Passenger Group On March 2nd Bill Wells and I participated in a conference call with GWR. The MD of GWR, Mark Hopwood, spoke first and delivered some very bad news. Our Paddington direct IET off-peak services are permanently being axed from May and replaced by diesel shuttle services to Newbury. In short the DfT, who took financial control of the railways from the start of the pandemic, have told GWR to cut costs. To do this GWR have decided to retire older diesel trains in the West Country and replace them with the three IET trains that serve Bedwyn, Hungerford and Kintbury. You may recall these trains are something we fought hard for from the announcement, in 2009, of electrification to Newbury to their rollout some ten years later. Initially, when electrification was announced, our entire service would have been a diesel shuttle service to Newbury. It was a long fight and in December 2019 we ended up with the best service we ever had. This was then hit by Covid in March 2020 and cracks in the IET fleet. We were hoping our IETs would fully return to service in May and end the additional diesel shuttles to Newbury we have been enduring. But instead we are an easy target and we are being sacrificed again. Add to that we often get sacrificed by missed connections at Newbury and it doesn't bode well. It will leave us on the worst timetable since June 1992 (when the pre-Turbo fleet was retired). The direct commuter peak morning service will be fairly good (with stops on through trains), but we will only have two direct trains back in the evening. Everything else will be hourly diesel shuttles between Bedwyn and Newbury only, some of which have decent connections to and from Paddington, while some have journey times between Bedwyn and Paddington of up to two hours and in one case more. The diesel shuttles from Bedwyn will connect in with the Class 387 Paddington to Newbury service. These latter trains are electric only. Ironically our three IET trains (which are bi-mode, running on electric to Newbury and diesel beyond) will be redeployed to a non-electrified area of the network. So that’ll be circa £200m of rolling stock designed for electric traction unable to make use of it. Additionally the Bedwyn siding was extended, at a cost in excess of £1m, to accommodate the IETs. The extension will now be a white elephant. You couldn’t really make this up. The MD of GWR acknowledged this was far from ideal and it would be an aim of his to get our service back. However, we did feel these were words of comfort when there is no plan for this. GWR would need to find extra rolling stock and, in the current climate, it’s unlikely to be found. During our campaign to retain our direct Paddington service, post electrification, there were three options: 1. Extend electrification to Bedwyn: This was something we didn’t champion. BTPG have always been very cautious about bringing the ugly overhead wires and gantries through the Kennet Valley. 2. The bi-mode IET solution: This was the one that was implemented and we thought would be with us for many years. 3. Kitting the Class 387 trains with batteries so they could run onto Bedwyn. GWR were seriously considering this before going for option 2. Given the Class 387s are now operating to Newbury, Bill and I feel point 3 is what we will now campaign for. The last two years have shown us that connections at Newbury don’t work. The connections are not guaranteed and the fact you even have to change trains is off-putting. We have made it very clear to GWR how unhappy we are and that connections at Newbury are not reliable enough. GWR have promised to look at better ways of getting the connections to work. But, given we have campaigned on this point since we formed sixteen years ago, we can’t see any great improvement. Beyond May Bill and I will campaign for additional stops on through services and improved connections at Newbury. We will additionally start a campaign to get batteries added to the Class 387 units so the Paddington / Newbury service can be extended to Bedwyn. What can you do? 1. Please let us know which trains are currently essential for school and college travel. We are awaiting the ‘final’ May timetable from GWR and we want to be sure this works for school and college children. 2. Write to your MP: laura.farris.mp@parliament.uk or danny.kruger.mp@parliament.uk 3. We’ll need more support for our campaigns so we need to expand our email list. If you know of fellow commuters/users please can you ask them to contact us and be added to our email list: info@bedwyntrains.org.uk Best wishes Steve Smith Bedwyn Trains Passenger Group Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: Timmer on March 03, 2022, 10:18:36 Hmmmm, this back ups this:
http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=26072.0 Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: paul7575 on March 03, 2022, 10:23:22 At least they managed to avoid getting the route wired, that must be a relief…
Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: IndustryInsider on March 03, 2022, 10:35:48 At least they managed to avoid getting the route wired, that must be a relief… It does seem like they still don’t want to campaign for the most logical solution rather perversely. A great shame to see the all-day direct service permanently go. A Hungerford stop on the 2-hourly semi-fasts that pass through would be a sensible gesture IMHO. Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: infoman on March 03, 2022, 10:35:54 I think the wires are ugly as well,but what is the solution in the many years too come for "the wires"
Batteries Digging a trench where the train lines are,so the wires can't seen? Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: nickswift99 on March 03, 2022, 15:27:17 I think the wires are ugly as well,but what is the solution in the many years too come for "the wires" Batteries Digging a trench where the train lines are,so the wires can't seen? I believe the trench was already dug before the railway arrived. The Kennet and Avon canal isn't particularly suited to electrification though. Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: Robin Summerhill on March 03, 2022, 15:36:21 Sorry to be downbeat, but if the Bedwyn Rail Users opposed electrification, this might be a classic example of "be careful what you wish for"
Edit - by Graham - they did not ... see later in thread ... Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: Reading General on March 03, 2022, 16:21:54 Yes, I think this was inevitable post electrification. The Bedwyn run is clearly a special use for the IET. As I’ve said before if it didn’t turn short at Bedwyn and instead terminated at Westbury, you would save a Pewsey stop on faster trains, create an hourly frequency at Pewsey, and a key hourly link west for Newbury.
I guess the service has been restored to what it was in the locomotive hauled, NSE, network express days and it was only convenience that Bedwyn got its link, through the arrival of the turbos and less coaches being required. Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: didcotdean on March 03, 2022, 16:59:05 According to this Newbury News (https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/newbury-mp-confident-of-electrification-to-bedwyn-9173840/) article the Bedwyn Train Passengers Group was circulating a petition in 2015 campaigning for electrification to be extended as far as Bedwyn supported by the then MP for Newbury Richard Benyon.
Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: paul7575 on March 03, 2022, 18:12:24 According to this Newbury News (https://www.newburytoday.co.uk/news/newbury-mp-confident-of-electrification-to-bedwyn-9173840/) article the Bedwyn Train Passengers Group was circulating a petition in 2015 campaigning for electrification to be extended as far as Bedwyn supported by the then MP for Newbury Richard Benyon. Good that they’re all singing from the same hymn sheet, (or wiring diagram)… ;DTitle: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: grahame on March 03, 2022, 18:16:14 Sorry to be downbeat, but if the Bedwyn Rail Users opposed electrification, this might be a classic example of "be careful what you wish for" I don't think they did, Robin - I have known them for many years and was around and looking / listening at the time that the studies were being done about extending electrification to Westbury from Newbury, from Bathampton and from Thingley. There may have been a (very, very very) few voices against that got reported and perhaps given a weight out of all proportion to their support, in very much the same way we have seen the rubber road surface for Portishead getting publicity very much beyond the supporters it has or sanity. Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: Robin Summerhill on March 03, 2022, 18:35:27 That's not exactly what it says here Graham, although I agree the precise wording is ambiguous
Quote During our campaign to retain our direct Paddington service, post electrification, there were three options: 1. Extend electrification to Bedwyn: This was something we didn’t champion. BTPG have always been very cautious about bringing the ugly overhead wires and gantries through the Kennet Valley. Edit by Graham - exceptoionally, I'm adding to a post "in situ". YES - the wording is ambiguous ... electrification was not opposed and if you look forward to reply no. 16 you'll find. BIG piece from me! Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: eightonedee on March 03, 2022, 18:59:21 Just realised - I posted to the wrong thread earlier today :-[
This is symptomatic of the disgrace of where the most recent phase of the GW system has left us. You have to ask which fool signed off not extending this through to Bedwyn, the destination of many London commuter services on the Kennet valley line. It is almost as foolish as the decisions not to take it through to Bristol Temple Meads and Oxford. ...should have been posted here. And although it is a dangerous thing for a resident of the Goring Gap to say, I think we all have to accept that if we are to have low emission public transport it inevitably means OHL. For an example of how it might be done more sympathetically - see - http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=18592.msg249179#msg249179 Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: didcotdean on March 03, 2022, 20:17:12 It isn't too difficult to find blogs of individuals that were opposed to Bedwyn electrification not so much on aesthetic grounds but a feeling that it would increase road traffic to the station (& associated parking problems) for the improved service. No indication this was related at all to the Passenger Group though.
Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: Robin Summerhill on March 03, 2022, 21:12:14 It isn't too difficult to find blogs of individuals that were opposed to Bedwyn electrification not so much on aesthetic grounds but a feeling that it would increase road traffic to the station (& associated parking problems) for the improved service. No indication this was related at all to the Passenger Group though. Many years experience tells me that those opposed to anything will always find what they think is a "good reason" The simple fact is that many people don't like change. Any change. I recall a story from an old boy in the pub in Studley near Calne some years ago. “They came to my door and asked me to sign their petition to stop the new housing estate being built. I said I signed a petition back in the 60s to stop them building your house, and what good did it do me?” But more on topic, I was on the Great Central during the weekend of closure and there were many people still protesting about losing their trains. Of course, they never actually used them; presumably they just liked to watch the trains go by. Now the children and grandchildren of those protesters are now protesting about having to watch the trains go by again... Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: Robin Summerhill on March 03, 2022, 21:54:53 I believe the trench was already dug before the railway arrived. The Kennet and Avon canal isn't particularly suited to electrification though. Oh I don’t know... We have the example of the Listowel to Ballybunion that was mentioned recently You could have a conductor rail above water level and pannier-shaped barges. It could work!! I’ll have to stop typing now – Nurse is coming... Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: grahame on March 03, 2022, 22:00:09 It isn't too difficult to find blogs of individuals that were opposed to Bedwyn electrification not so much on aesthetic grounds but a feeling that it would increase road traffic to the station (& associated parking problems) for the improved service. No indication this was related at all to the Passenger Group though. I have bolded that element to say "you don't know how right you are" ... and I am having to be very careful indeed how I write. The longer established moderators will know exactly where I am coming from. Are you sure that the blogs you found were from different individuals? Parking has been a massive controversy and has spilled over into the whole "do we want better trains because it will bring more people?" question. BTPG have been in, perhaps, a similar situation to the people who want electrification thorough Bath - supportive of course, but anxious for their support to be in such a way that it doesn't generate a massive backlash. In spite of Steve's wording, written for the local audience in Bedwyn, there was no "opposition to electrification" outside one or two individuals. Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: Robin Summerhill on March 03, 2022, 22:17:42 Parking has been a massive controversy and has spilled over into the whole "do we want better trains because it will bring more people?" question. I speak with some knowledge and experience here having had, with my Surveyor’s hat on, to visit The Knapp several times (which is the estate outside the station) The natives were getting restless many years ago about overspill parking there Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: IndustryInsider on March 10, 2022, 11:39:55 A Hungerford stop on the 2-hourly semi-fasts that pass through would be a sensible gesture IMHO. It does indeed look as if that's going to happen on several of them*. Good news for those wanting to head west from Hungerford as that will be much easier (best ever service?). Still poor heading towards London as no direct trains between 07:26 and 15:24 so the London leisure market is going to be very badly hit. Better for London passengers on a Saturday with an 09:17 to Paddington and 19:04 return, though that's very poor compared with the hourly Saturday service on offer at the moment, though at least the connections at Newbury work well on a Saturday, where they're pretty appalling on a weekday. Rubbish on a Sunday...but then it is rubbish now! * All timings subject to change as based on data in RTT. Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: Robin Summerhill on March 10, 2022, 12:34:51 A Hungerford stop on the 2-hourly semi-fasts that pass through would be a sensible gesture IMHO. Good news for those wanting to head west from Hungerford as that will be much easier (best ever service?). The service west of a Bedwyn stop has been very poor ever since local passenger services between Bedwyn and Westbury/ Holt Jcn via Devizes were withdrawn at the time of Beeching. It wasn't all that good beforehand but there were some interesting workings such as a mid-afternoon Paddington to WSM via Devizes and Bristol, but even this was predominantly a stopper. It did however give a through service between Wootton Rivers and Weston Milton! I wonder how many tickets got sold...? Title: Re: Off peak trains from Bedwyn replacement by Newbury shuttle to be permanent Post by: grahame on March 12, 2022, 07:37:55 An update from Bedwyn Trains Passenger Group
Quote Hello All, Thank you to everybody who has written to their MP regarding the loss of our direct Paddington off-peak services from May. Thank you too to everybody who has recently joined our email list. What’s been happening: 1) Our initial email has been picked up by various press outlets, including Penny Post, Newbury Weekly News and the BBC. 2) Bill Wells and I did a TV interview for South Today. This aired on March 3rd. 3) We have a Zoom meeting with our local MP, Danny Kruger, booked for Monday afternoon. 4) We are due to meet GWR face to face w/c 21st. 5) We have been examining the proposed timetable and have put our concerns to GWR. This is aside from the fact that we don’t agree with the cuts. Instead we are at least trying to get the May timetable to work for Kintbury, Hungerford and Bedwyn. At present the shuttle service (Bedwyn to Newbury) has a number of, shall we say, strange timings in it. In preparation for our meetings with our MP and (separately) GWR we have prepared the attached timetable summary document. It shows three timetables: 1. The service we should be getting (i.e. the pre-Covid December 2019 service). 2. The service we are getting today. 3. The service proposed from May. It indicates quite clearly how much the Bedwyn service level is being reduced with the direct services to Paddington being reduced from 19 to 6 and the return journey directs from 16 to 3. As mentioned before the connections at Newbury do not work very well, so the situation is even worse than it looks. Although the document is prepared for Bedwyn, it’s very similar for Kintbury and Hungerford. Best wishes Steve Smith Bedwyn Trains Passenger Group (http://www.wellho.net/pix/abc_bwn_pad.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/abc_pad_bwn.jpg) This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |