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Title: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 16, 2022, 17:36:51
Starting a thread for the upcoming storm this Friday.

Latest forecast model runs continue to show consistency that this will be a disruptive event across the GWR and SWR region as well as pretty much the whole of England and Wales.

The Met office have issued an Amber warning for Friday though I expect some exposed places may even be upped to a Red warning when the Met next review their warnings.

I would strongly advise against any form of travel on Friday and fully expect a partial shutdown by Network Rail and train operators or even a total shutdown in any areas where a Red warning is issued.



Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Robin Summerhill on February 16, 2022, 18:51:26
And to think only a few days ago we were discussing the 1962/63 Big Freeze and how the schools stayed open and the railways kept running....


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 16, 2022, 18:52:20
Yes, it looks like we just got away without too much disruption from Dudley, but Eunice is looking like Dudley’s big sister!  Expect quite severe disruption if travelling.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 16, 2022, 19:44:48
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a blanket low speed restriction from Network Rail causing major cancellations or even a revised timetable with a Do Not Travel note meaning no compensation or alternative options offered if a service gets stuck or fails


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TonyK on February 16, 2022, 19:50:49
Luckily for me, I am laid low by Covid, and won't be going anywhere on Friday anyway.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: rogerw on February 16, 2022, 20:25:25
I will be in the south of France on Friday so it won't affect me


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 16, 2022, 21:02:19
I've had a warning from my power network of possible power cuts caused by Eunice.

I'm hoping that disruption isn't too bad on Saturday. I have to travel from Templecombe to Taunton by train.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: bobm on February 16, 2022, 21:06:36
Wouldn't fancy being a watchman on the Devon seawall on Friday but be interesting to see how the new defences perform.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 16, 2022, 21:17:02
Wouldn't fancy being a watchman on the Devon seawall on Friday but be interesting to see how the new defences perform.

Hopefully, with the forecast winds being westerly, there shouldn't be too much of an issue at Dawlish. It would appear that the Atlantic coast and Bristol Channel are of more concern.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: PhilWakely on February 16, 2022, 21:18:51
Wouldn't fancy being a watchman on the Devon seawall on Friday but be interesting to see how the new defences perform.

Hopefully, with the forecast winds being westerly, there shouldn't be too much of an issue at Dawlish. It would appear that the Atlantic coast and Bristol Channel are of more concern.

The weather presenter on BBC Spotlight had a potential 'Michael Fish moment' when he said that 'the wind will be in the wrong direction to cause serious disruption'.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Jamsdad on February 16, 2022, 21:37:38
It is only an amber warning for Friday, they occur fairly frequently so i would not get too worried. Dawlish only gets badly hit by SE and E winds,  relatively sheltered from the SW.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 16, 2022, 21:48:47
It is only an amber warning for Friday, they occur fairly frequently so i would not get too worried.
I really don’t see it staying that way come review time by the Chief Forecaster tomorrow, some exposed parts of England and Wales will go to a Red warning. This is a nasty weather system be in no doubt.

Even if for most parts it remains Amber, there will be significant disruption and I expect Network Rail and the train operators will outline their plan once they’ve had their latest morning briefing from the Met office.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 16, 2022, 22:46:16
SWR have already said that there will be a blanket speed restriction across their network on Friday 18th.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: GBM on February 17, 2022, 09:49:41
Cornwall Council saying only travel if essential on Friday.
Gusts of 90mph+ between St Ives and Bude from 3am which will coincide with high tides there around 6am.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Witham Bobby on February 17, 2022, 10:33:03
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the vulnerable bit of the Mineehad Branch at Helwell Bay will not suffer further damage


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 17, 2022, 11:00:00
As expected, a Red warning has been issued for North Devon, North Cornwall, North Somerset, Bristol, South Gloucestershire and South Wales, basically Bristol Channel coasts:
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2022-02-18

Amber warning issued yesterday also updated.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 17, 2022, 11:12:20
Batten done the hatches folks.

BBC News - Storm Eunice warning upgraded to red
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60417263


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 17, 2022, 11:46:06
Latest from GWR:
https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/live-network-updates/disruption-information
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Storm Eunice is likely to bring damaging winds across large parts of the UK on Friday 18 February.

To make sure trains are able to run safely, speed restrictions will be required across the entire GWR network.

The priority will be to keep trains running and customers moving safely, but changes to services are likely to be needed to allow that to happen and customers may wish to alter their plans.

We are expecting to significantly reduce the number of long-distance services and some branch lines in Devon and Cornwall will have to close.  We are working hard to finalise the timetable and expect to publish this later today.

Suggest anyone planning to travel tomorrow or the weekend to regularly check this page on the GWR website.

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Ticket easements:

Tickets dated for travel on Friday 18 February will be valid for travel from today (Thursday 17 February) right through to Monday 21 February.



Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 17, 2022, 12:27:06
This just yesterday

Captain Tom Moore train hits trampoline
The train named after the famous fundraiser hit a trampoline apparently blown on to tracks just outside Cardiff Central Station earlier.

https://news.sky.com/story/storm-dudley-live-news-met-office-weather-warnings-uk-forecast-12543511?postid=3370237#liveblog-body (https://news.sky.com/story/storm-dudley-live-news-met-office-weather-warnings-uk-forecast-12543511?postid=3370237#liveblog-body)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Jamsdad on February 17, 2022, 14:09:05
No sign of storms down south. Just went through DDawlish, sea flat as a pancake


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichT54 on February 17, 2022, 14:17:28
No sign of storms down south. Just went through DDawlish, sea flat as a pancake

Not really surprising given that the centre of the depression is currently several hundred miles to the southwest of the British Isles and the amber warning doesn't come into force until 5am tomorrow morning.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Celestial on February 17, 2022, 14:20:43
All TfW services withdrawn tomorrow and GWR only going as far west as Bristol Parkway.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 17, 2022, 14:21:07
News release from GWR:
https://news.gwr.com/news/storm-eunice-travel-advice-can-i-get-a-train-on-friday

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In anticipation of significant high winds tomorrow, train company GWR is warning customers that they expect to cut services by half, the mainline in south Wales will be closed, and where long-distance trains can operate, journey times will be significantly longer.

The Met Office has upgraded their severe weather warning to red – the highest level – for parts of south west England and south Wales.

Current forecasts suggest high winds will exceed 100mph. To make sure trains are able to run safely, speed restrictions across the Great Western Network are required.

This means GWR is expecting to significantly reduce the number of long-distance services, and where trains can run, journeys are expected to take much longer.

The main line in south Wales will be closed with services terminating at Bristol Parkway, some branch lines in Devon and Cornwall will have to close, and where bus replacement services are able to operate, they too will be affected by very poor road conditions, possible road closures, and are likely to be very busy.

Disruption is likely to continue into the weekend as Network Rail works to check and clear debris and fallen trees over 1,000 miles of track.

To help customers, GWR is allowing people with tickets for travel on Friday 18 February to be able to travel on Thursday 17 through to and including Monday 21 February.

GWR Managing Director Mark Hopwood said:

“Speed restrictions will be put in place on our network, but the extent of those restrictions can only be determined by conditions on the ground and are likely to change throughout the day.

“We will continue to run as many trains as we can but those who need to travel travel should be aware that we will have to reduce the number of trains we can run, journey times will take longer, and those trains we can run will be much busier.

“Please do heed the usual advice to check before you travel, and if you hold a ticket for tomorrow [Friday 18 February] and would like to travel today or up to Monday, we have eased restrictions so that you are able to do so.”

The priority will be to keep trains running and customers moving safely, but changes to services are likely to be needed to allow that to happen and customers may wish to alter their plans.

Mike Gallop, Network Rail Western route and strategic operations director, said:

“We’re working really closely with GWR and the other train companies to keep trains and passengers moving safely during this period of extreme weather.

“The severe weather associated with Storm Eunice is expected to bring significantly high winds of up to 100mph, and in places may result in trees and debris being blown onto train lines which blocks train movements and can cause delays and cancellations.

“Our operational colleagues will be out there on the front line braving the conditions to respond to any incidents and keep the railway clear and trains moving where it is safe and possible to do so.

“Storms can create a fast-moving picture so we’re asking passengers to please plan ahead and check before they travel.”

Those who choose not to travel at all will be able to claim a refund/allowed to amend their ticket. Those who travel and are delayed may be entitled to delay repay compensation if they are delayed by 15 mins or more.



Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 17, 2022, 14:22:32
Network Rail on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1494312128928436226

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Services on all branch lines in Devon & Cornwall suspended tomorrow, except for Exmouth-Exeter.

Severn Beach line suspended.

Temporary speed restriction in place across entire route and reduced number of mainline services operating.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 17, 2022, 17:10:47
Latest on service provision tomorrow from GWR:

https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/live-network-updates/disruption-information

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Changes to GWR Services:

We are working hard to enter all the changes into online journey planners and expect this to be completed by 10pm today (Thursday 17 February). We strongly recommend you check all journeys prior to travelling in case there have been any late changes. A summary of expected changes on Friday 18 February follows:

High speed services

London Paddington – Bristol Temple Meads

1 train per hour in either direction
London Paddington – Cardiff Central/Swansea

The mainline in South Wales will be closed all day on Friday.  There will be no GWR services operating between London & South Wales.
Customers are advised not to travel to/from South Wales.
An hourly service will continue to operate between London Paddington and Bristol Parkway.
London Paddington – Worcester/Hereford

Services will operate between Didcot Parkway & Worcester/Great Malvern only.  Customers should change at Didcot Parkway for onward connections towards Reading & London Paddington.
London Paddington – Cheltenham Spa

Services will operate between Swindon and Cheltenham Spa only.  Customers should change at Swindon for onward connections towards Reading & London Paddington.
London Paddington - West of England

Services will operate between London Paddington and Exeter St Davids only.  Customers should change at Exeter St Davids for onward connections towards Plymouth & Penzance.
Thames Valley

London Paddington – Didcot Parkway

Stopping services operate between Reading – Didcot Parkway only.  Customers should change at Reading and use TfL Rail services for intermediate stations between Reading & Ealing Broadway.  Your GWR tickets will be valid on these services.
Reading – Newbury

Reading-Newbury services will not run, however an hourly Reading – Bedwyn service will operate calling at all stations.
Reading – Gatwick Airport

Direct services between Reading - Gatwick Airport will not run, however Reading – Redhill stopping services will continue to operate as normal.
The following Thames Valley branch lines are planned to operate as normal:

Reading – Basingstoke

Twyford – Henley-on-Thames

Slough – Windsor & Eton Central

Maidenhead – Marlow

West Ealing – Greenford

Bristol area

Cardiff Central – Taunton / Penzance

The mainline in South Wales will be closed all day on Friday.  There will be no GWR services operating between Bristol & South Wales.
Customers are advised not to travel to/from South Wales.
An hourly service will operate between Bristol Parkway and Taunton (via Weston-Super-Mare).  Customers should change at Taunton for onward connections towards the South West.
Local Weston-Super-Mare – Bristol services will not run.

Gloucester – Weymouth services via Bristol Temple Meads will operate as normal.

No services will operate between Bristol Temple Meads – Avonmouth – Severn Beach.  Customers are advised not to travel.

Devon Metro

An amended service will operate between Paignton – Exeter St Davids – Exmouth.

No services will operate between Exeter St Davids – Okehampton – Barnstaple.  Customers are advised not to travel.

Plymouth & Cornwall

Mainline services between Plymouth and Penzance will continue to operate, however train times will be amended.

Services will be suspended on the following routes all day; customers are advised not to travel.

Plymouth – Gunnislake
Liskeard – Looe
Par – Newquay
Truro – Falmouth Docks
St Erth – St Ives


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 17, 2022, 18:14:11
Have I missed it in the reading, or are they not telling us about Swindon to Westbury?


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Bmblbzzz on February 17, 2022, 18:15:48
Luckily for me, I am laid low by Covid, and won't be going anywhere on Friday anyway.
Recover soon and fully.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: REVUpminster on February 17, 2022, 18:25:28
I shall be watching Paignton - Newton Abbot as the main problem I can see is the bridge replacement at Hollicombe already delayed by a month, because of supply chain issues, could have the site damaged by winds. It is also here that there is always a danger of the track falling into the sea.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 17, 2022, 18:30:26
Have I missed it in the reading, or are they not telling us about Swindon to Westbury?

Check your buses too - only Bath centre services running before 1300.....No D1 for example


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ellendune on February 17, 2022, 18:30:41
I shall be watching Paignton - Newton Abbot as the main problem I can see is the bridge replacement at Hollicombe already delayed by a month, because of supply chain issues, could have the site damaged by winds. It is also here that there is always a danger of the track falling into the sea.

I would not be especially worried about this the Torbay coast as the winds are from the west so they will be offshore at this point.  It is the Bristol Channel coast that is forecast to be most hit.  


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 17, 2022, 18:34:14
Have I missed it in the reading, or are they not telling us about Swindon to Westbury?
Cardiff-Portsmouth not shown either. We know it won’t be starting and ending in Cardiff of course.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 17, 2022, 20:18:09
Cardiff-Portsmouth not shown either. We know it won’t be starting and ending in Cardiff of course.
Looking at Journeycheck it looks like a two hourly service between Bristol and Portsmouth tomorrow.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: bobm on February 17, 2022, 20:27:42
Have I missed it in the reading, or are they not telling us about Swindon to Westbury?

They haven’t so they run as the existing temporary timetable I assume.  (And Westbury to Swindon).


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: jamestheredengine on February 17, 2022, 21:00:13
Bit odd that they've gone for terminating both the Paddington-Swansea and Cardiff-Taunton services at Bristol Parkway from opposite directions, plus the Cheltenham Spa service at Swindon. Paddington-Cheltenham and Swindon-Bristol Parkway-Taunton would have made much more sense.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: jamestheredengine on February 17, 2022, 21:14:29
All TfW services withdrawn tomorrow and GWR only going as far west as Bristol Parkway.
As I understand it, this was a Network Rail decision to close the entire Wales "Route". This certainly caught Avanti by surprise, who had intended to run a couple of journeys to/from Holyhead.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: bobm on February 17, 2022, 21:36:16
Although of course there are intermediate calls I wonder if the ferries will be running once you get to Holyhead.  I guess the worst of the weather is further south.  (There’s a fair few “violent storm 11”s in the shipping forecast.)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: brooklea on February 17, 2022, 21:39:14
Have I missed it in the reading, or are they not telling us about Swindon to Westbury?

They haven’t so they run as the existing temporary timetable I assume.  (And Westbury to Swindon).

Currently only the 07:05 Westbury to Cheltenham cancelled.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 17, 2022, 22:17:18
All schools, colleges etc across Somerset are closed tomorrow.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichT54 on February 18, 2022, 04:04:17
A new Red warning has just been issued for SE England valid from 10:00 to 15:00.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2022-02-18&id=e772aed2-9ec5-490c-9b78-882b72b09304&details (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2022-02-18&id=e772aed2-9ec5-490c-9b78-882b72b09304&details)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: broadgage on February 18, 2022, 05:04:43
A new Red warning has just been issued for SE England valid from 10:00 to 15:00.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2022-02-18&id=e772aed2-9ec5-490c-9b78-882b72b09304&details (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2022-02-18&id=e772aed2-9ec5-490c-9b78-882b72b09304&details)

This I view with great concern as the area affected is much larger and more populous than that covered by the earlier red warning for parts of the South West.
Despite the fact that I live in Somerset. It is windy at present, but not yet extreme.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 18, 2022, 05:09:18
A new Red warning has just been issued for SE England valid from 10:00 to 15:00.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2022-02-18&id=e772aed2-9ec5-490c-9b78-882b72b09304&details (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-warnings#?date=2022-02-18&id=e772aed2-9ec5-490c-9b78-882b72b09304&details)
Based on the latest forecast model runs and their consistency, it was looking increasingly likely that the Met office would need to issue a further Red warning overnight and this has turned out to be the case.

A lot of folk were asking on forums and social media why a Red warning wasn’t issued sooner. This is the highest level of warning that the Met office have in their locker, there is no higher warming they can issue so you only bring it out when it’s absolutely essential to.

It’s somewhat disappointing that the message of taking an Amber warning seriously maybe isn’t getting across, so perhaps this may need reviewing at a later date.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Network Rail and GWR don’t even attempt to start up a service this morning. People really shouldn’t be traveling unless absolutely essential.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: broadgage on February 18, 2022, 06:11:46
In my view, all reasonable efforts should made to provide a basic urban commuter service. Many people including those in vital public public services, are reliant on the train to get to work.

The relatively short routes are somewhat easier to clear of trees and other obstructions. Significantly reduced speeds are reasonable.

How is a doctor resident in Reading to get to work in a London hospital if they dont drive and there are no trains ?

Longer distance services should operate if possible but are in my view a lower priority. Very few London hospital doctors live in Plymouth. Leisure travelers might be postponing their journey in any case.

There is also a more general consideration, that we should be encouraging green transport choices rather than driving. If urban commuter services are not available in extreme weather, then key workers might feel the need to buy a car instead.
Having purchased the vehicle and paid the fixed costs thereof, then the petrol cost may compare favourably to the train fare.

So even a few days a year of rail closures may significantly encourage driving at the expense of train travel.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: REVUpminster on February 18, 2022, 07:21:56
No trains on the Devon and Cornwall branches except Exmouth is the mantra on TV; but how many customers think that means Paignton which is technically mainline.

The first train was cancelled terminated short at Newton Abbot but the next two have run from Paignton.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2022, 07:55:52
In my view, all reasonable efforts should made to provide a basic urban commuter service. Many people including those in vital public public services, are reliant on the train to get to work.

The relatively short routes are somewhat easier to clear of trees and other obstructions. Significantly reduced speeds are reasonable.

How is a doctor resident in Reading to get to work in a London hospital if they dont drive and there are no trains ?

Longer distance services should operate if possible but are in my view a lower priority. Very few London hospital doctors live in Plymouth. Leisure travelers might be postponing their journey in any case.

There is also a more general consideration, that we should be encouraging green transport choices rather than driving. If urban commuter services are not available in extreme weather, then key workers might feel the need to buy a car instead.
Having purchased the vehicle and paid the fixed costs thereof, then the petrol cost may compare favourably to the train fare.

So even a few days a year of rail closures may significantly encourage driving at the expense of train travel.

You've not thought this through. Put it in the context of a once in several decades event, and think again. Do you really think it's practical to expect people to go out in 80 mph winds and driving rain with chainsaws to clear trees off railway lines?

When there are red weather warnings in place, with winds which (in the words of the Met office) can “sweep people off the streets”, the safety of all concerned takes priority over all else, and quite right too.

In the scenario you suggest, the Reading Doctor would no doubt offer his services at the Royal Berks, or other nearby facility that he could reach safely.

Best batten down the hatches, open a bottle of Port and hope for the best. This is not a day to fret about trains v cars.

I wish everyone all the best today, stay safe all.





Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ellendune on February 18, 2022, 08:01:14
How is a doctor resident in Reading to get to work in a London hospital if they dont drive and there are no trains ?

If it was essential that he was on duty in London the hospital would have arranged for him to stay overnight in London. Most hospitals have overnight accommodation for medical staff on call and on long shifts. 

You might be surprised what messages have been going round employers yesterday in preparation for today.  In my own employers organisation there were messages not to travel unless essential in amber not at all in red.  Meetings were cancelled. Advice issued about shutting down work sites safely and securing them. 


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 18, 2022, 08:22:27
Best batten down the hatches, open a bottle of Port and hope for the best. This is not a day to fret about trains v cars.

I wish everyone all the best today, stay safe all.

Thank you, and sensible advice.

Back from Bath last night - 'twas the lull before the storm.

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/hunker_1.jpg)

Now hunkered down for the day

(http://www.wellho.net/pix/hunker_2.jpg)



Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: froome on February 18, 2022, 09:06:31
The lull was quite amazing really, as it was completely still in Bath about 9pm last night, having been very windy all day. People tend to forget that the 'calm before the storm' isn't just a phrase but an accurate description of what happens before extreme storms. However, at the moment it is south-western facing coasts that are getting the full brunt of the storm, so not the original red warning coast, but the winds will be turning to west and then north-west as the storm moves through.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 18, 2022, 09:20:24
Just had some very strong gusts here in Templecombe. First time I've felt my flat shake!

Many wheelie bins making a bid for freedom in my street. I've brought mine into the porch.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: eXPassenger on February 18, 2022, 09:40:52
The 'cancellations' graphic on this page is certainly impressive.

We now have blue sky, bright sun and trees at 30 degrees to the vertical.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: broadgage on February 18, 2022, 10:05:49
Snow here, which is very odd as it is not really cold enough for snow. Melts almost instantly.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichT54 on February 18, 2022, 10:15:33
Rather terrifying here in Sandhurst at the moment with the way that the very large branches of the mature oak tree in my back garden are thrashing around each time a fresh batch of severe gusts comes along!


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2022, 10:29:31
Rather terrifying here in Sandhurst at the moment with the way that the very large branches of the mature oak tree in my back garden are thrashing around each time a fresh batch of severe gusts comes along!

Yes it seems that it's arriving in the Thames Valley now - earlier on I heard from a pal near Helston in Cornwall and they'd had a gust of 94 mph........hopefully it'll moderate a bit.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 18, 2022, 10:38:51
I've just lost power here in Templecombe. Seems only one phase has gone as some neighbours still have power.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: jamestheredengine on February 18, 2022, 10:43:19
I've had a drainpipe come down, but hopefully plastic piping will just push back together once it's safe to cimb a ladder.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Mark A on February 18, 2022, 11:02:54
10:55am in Bath was the time the weather went a bit ape and stayed that way. It's tending to patches of not-so-windy and then big gusts.

This presentation is very visually alluring:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-8.54,53.69,3447


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 18, 2022, 11:06:53
Both Severn Crossings are now closed. Possibly the first time that's ever happened.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: broadgage on February 18, 2022, 11:14:19
I've just lost power here in Templecombe. Seems only one phase has gone as some neighbours still have power.

Power here at present but was off earlier. UPS worked fine. Phone and internet off earlier but now working.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 18, 2022, 11:15:31
I've just lost power here in Templecombe. Seems only one phase has gone as some neighbours still have power.

I had a run of power cuts a year ago (three in two weeks) and was surprised to find that the final supply circuits to houses are usually protected by old-fashioned fuses, one per phase (line). And there is probably no monitoring, so while they may know the power supplied has dropped, they don't know which circuit or even which substation caused it. They rely on consumer phone calls to tell them, as they know which phase goes to which house. 105 on a landline may give them your address automatically, though my local one (SEPD) always ask you, as they have to for mobiles.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TonyK on February 18, 2022, 11:51:09
Power off briefly twice, so I've stopped work. I don't want to lose stuff halfway through drafting. It seems a bit biblical out there - we are quite exposed at the best of times. We made preparations, but my list of things that were likely to blow over did not include the 227 litre water butt. That was silly of me, but I retrieved it undamaged, although empty.

They tell me I should stay positive. I'll do my best.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51889471740_0a7892aab8_w.jpg)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: johnneyw on February 18, 2022, 11:55:38
I looks like it might have been a good time to buy shares in the fence panelling industry.  Neighbour has lost two so far and I'm not too confident about some of mine.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Bmblbzzz on February 18, 2022, 12:06:39
Very windy here in Brizzle but far from the worst I've experienced. Still increasing in power though so we'll see what happens later. I have to go out at 2 (on foot and only a quarter of a mile or so, I think I'll manage it!).


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ellendune on February 18, 2022, 12:08:49
Fallen tree blocking the line at Bradford-on-Avon according to Network Rail on Twitter

https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1494644022891188238?s=20&t=TUeio0kJ25mielaVDJ4J1A (https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1494644022891188238?s=20&t=TUeio0kJ25mielaVDJ4J1A)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL4KyT-XEAYBjUn?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ellendune on February 18, 2022, 12:13:17
From GWR a few minutes ago on Twitter

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FL4K4A-XsAEfV21?format=jpg&name=small)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: bradshaw on February 18, 2022, 12:23:00
11.43 ALL SWR services cancelled

⚠️*SERVICE UPDATE*⚠️

Services are suspended across the South Western Railway Network.

Do not attempt to travel.

We will update you when things change.

https://twitter.com/sw_help/status/1494638821002129409?s=21


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: didcotdean on February 18, 2022, 13:21:53
Roof blown off a Network Rail building at Banbury.
(https://i.gyazo.com/123abd6932af532f32ad764db1f77722.jpg)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 18, 2022, 13:23:48
From Journeycheck ...

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Line Updates
Cancellations to services between Swindon and Cheltenham Spa
Cancellations to services between Reading and Guildford
Cancellations to services between Basingstoke and Reading
Cancellations to services between Gatwick Airport and Guildford via Redhill
Cancellations to services between Bath Spa and Westbury
Cancellations to services on all routes
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Barnstaple
Cancellations to services between Plymouth and Gunnislake
Cancellations to services between Bristol Temple Meads and Severn Beach via Clifton Down
Cancellations to services between Liskeard and Looe
Cancellations to services between Par and Newquay
Cancellations to services between Truro and Falmouth Docks
Cancellations to services between St Erth and St Ives
Cancellations to services between Bristol Temple Meads and Cardiff Central
Cancellations to services between Exeter St Davids and Okehampton
Cancellations to services between Bristol Parkway and Swansea via Cardiff Central


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 18, 2022, 13:32:03
Just in

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Conditions have worsened and we have suspended all rail services.
 
Customers should not therefore set out to travel and we have updated our advice through media interviews and on social media such as @gwrhelp
 
Our teams are working hard to look after customers who have already started their journeys, and once it is safe, they will be clearing debris from lines so that we can try and restart services. 
 
Services are likely to remain suspended or disrupted for the rest of the day, and this will knock on into services tomorrow.
 
We will update you again when we know more, but for now, anything you can do to spread the message not to travel, perhaps by sharing our twitter message, would be very helpful.
 


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: CyclingSid on February 18, 2022, 13:42:13

This presentation is very visually alluring:

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-8.54,53.69,3447

I stumbled over this today, which possibly gives more localised information https://www.windy.com/50.350/-4.460/waves?waves,50.274,-4.153,9 (https://www.windy.com/50.350/-4.460/waves?waves,50.274,-4.153,9)

(https://i.gyazo.com/123abd6932af532f32ad764db1f77722.jpg)
Saw the image first and thought it was Reading Green Park for a moment!


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2022, 13:45:31
Just in

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Conditions have worsened and we have suspended all rail services.
 
Customers should not therefore set out to travel and we have updated our advice through media interviews and on social media such as @gwrhelp
 
Our teams are working hard to look after customers who have already started their journeys, and once it is safe, they will be clearing debris from lines so that we can try and restart services. 
 
Services are likely to remain suspended or disrupted for the rest of the day, and this will knock on into services tomorrow.
 
We will update you again when we know more, but for now, anything you can do to spread the message not to travel, perhaps by sharing our twitter message, would be very helpful.
 

Given the forecast and the known severity of the storm, it would perhaps have been better to not try to operate any services today.................what you have now is quite possibly thousands of people who are stranded without any means of getting home.

I wonder what GWR are going to do for them?


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: bobm on February 18, 2022, 13:54:32
SWR now suspended too

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In a joint statement, South Western Railway and Network Rail said:

“Gusts of more than 90mph wind have caused multiple incidents across the SWR network today, with 30 fallen trees already blocking key routes.

“As a result, SWR services have been suspended until at least 18.00 and we strongly urge customers not to travel at this time. We are working hard to restore services, but ask customers to make alternative travel plans if they can.
“Customers should regularly check the ‘Plan my journey’ page on SWR’s website, which will be updated with the latest information every hour.

“We would like to apologise to our customers for the impact this will have on their journeys, but – as always – our primary concern is the safety and welfare of customers and colleagues out on the network”.



Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichT54 on February 18, 2022, 13:59:29
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The Needles on the Isle of Wight recorded a wind gust of 122 mph this morning

This is provisionally the highest gust ever recorded in England

https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1494640157789728770?cxt=HHwWhMC5gb_Tg74pAAAA (https://twitter.com/metoffice/status/1494640157789728770?cxt=HHwWhMC5gb_Tg74pAAAA)



Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichardB on February 18, 2022, 14:08:07
This tweet has a video of people being blown along the street which runs in front of East Croydon station earlier. 

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1494661922574286854


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ellendune on February 18, 2022, 14:08:40
Given the forecast and the known severity of the storm, it would perhaps have been better to not try to operate any services today.................what you have now is quite possibly thousands of people who are stranded without any means of getting home.

I wonder what GWR are going to do for them?

The advice this morning was pretty clear so those who ventured out should have been well aware of the risks.  I think it is unfair to blame GWR for trying to run a minimal service which might have allowed some people who were away from home to return.  

The wind is starting to reduce here now so I think it quite possible that many services will be able to restart before the end of the day.  


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 18, 2022, 14:18:36
JourneyCheck:

Cancellations to services on all routes
Due to severe weather:
Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice

Storm Eunice is now moving across the UK bringing with it damaging wind speeds. The Met Office has upgraded their severe weather warning to red the highest level for parts of south west England and South Wales, London and the South East. Find out more here.
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For safety, Network Rail are closingthe railway infrastructure, all GWR services are now suspended.
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Customers should not attempt totravel.
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Train services that are currently operating are continuing to a suitable staffed station, where our colleagues will be able help keep customers safe.
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Keeping you updated:
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We are advising customers not to travel.
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Keep up to date with the latest information on the GWR website, mobile app and social media platforms @GWRHelp.
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Ticket easements:
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Tickets dated for travel today (Friday 18 February) will be valid for travel on Saturday 19, Sunday 20 or Monday 21 February and customers are strongly advised to delay their journeys until the storm has passed.
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Refunds:
Customers who choose not to travel will be able to claim a fee-free refund. Those who travel and are delayed may be entitled to delay repay compensation if you are delayed by 15 mins or more. Find out more here.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Mark A on February 18, 2022, 14:27:46
Fallen tree blocking the line at Bradford-on-Avon according to Network Rail on Twitter

https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1494644022891188238?s=20&t=TUeio0kJ25mielaVDJ4J1A (https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1494644022891188238?s=20&t=TUeio0kJ25mielaVDJ4J1A)


That's a location with trees of the sort of size that *really* need not to be at risk of suddenly laying flat, let alone across a railway line.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: rogerw on February 18, 2022, 15:50:01
I hope that you are all safe back there. It is sunny and tranquil here in Nice. Back in England next Wednesday evening.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2022, 16:03:13
Chiltern have thrown in the towel................there's going to be an awful lot of people stuck in London (and elsewhere)


!!! Attention to all our customers !!!

Under no circumstances travel to one of our stations. All of our services have been cancelled for the remainder of the day.

Please stay home and stay safe.

DO NOT TRAVEL is in place and we are not able to provide any service.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: rogerpatenall on February 18, 2022, 16:07:09
Well, WogerW. If you find yourself puzzling why your last post hasn't got any 'likes', give me a call and I may have a suggestion! ;)

I am due to travel from Caen to Portsmouth, Saturday overnight, so hopefully all will have passed by then. Pretty blowy on the Cotentin at the moment, and all trains suspended between Caen and Cherbourg.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: didcotdean on February 18, 2022, 16:46:21
Chiltern put out an unequivocal "Do Not Travel" warning for today yesterday evening, so the risk was clear.

Something that GWR didn't do explicitly with a far more nuanced "customers may wish to alter their plans".


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 18, 2022, 16:53:47
Roof blown off a Network Rail building at Banbury.
(https://i.gyazo.com/123abd6932af532f32ad764db1f77722.jpg)

Ironically, that's the local Network Rail depot - her captured by someone from the Chiltern ICC opposite

(https://twitter.com/networkrail/status/1494697757684215812)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: didcotdean on February 18, 2022, 16:54:46
Video of it happening here: https://twitter.com/networkrail/status/1494697757684215812


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 18, 2022, 16:56:24
Video of it happening here: https://twitter.com/networkrail/status/1494697757684215812

Yep - that's what I was trying to post! My local depot....


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 18, 2022, 17:06:34
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Dear Chris
 
Conditions have worsened and we have suspended all rail services.
 
Customers should not therefore set out to travel and we have updated our advice through media interviews and on social media such as @gwrhelp
 
Our teams are working hard to look after customers who have already started their journeys, and once it is safe, they will be clearing debris from lines so that we can try and restart services. 
 
Services are likely to remain suspended or disrupted for the rest of the day, and this will knock on into services tomorrow.
 
We will update you again when we know more, but for now, anything you can do to spread the message not to travel, perhaps by sharing our twitter message, would be very helpful.
 
Best wishes
 
Jane and Toby
 
Jane Jones 
Head of Public Affairs 
Great Western Railway 
 
Toby Elliott
Head of Communications
Network Rail Western


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 18, 2022, 18:33:05
A further update from GWR

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Services remain suspended and are unlikely to re-open this evening. This will disrupt services tomorrow, especially in the early morning, and in some places, services may not restart until midday.
 
This is to allow for daylight checks of all our lines and to make sure all debris has been removed.
 
We will have updated information on our website, but before setting out tomorrow we are advising customers to check their journey using www.journeycheck.com/GreatWesternRailway
 
Tickets for travel on Saturday can now also be used on Sunday or Monday, and we will refund any tickets where customers cannot travel.
 
We would like to say thank you for all the kind messages of support. Staff have been working hard throughout the day to make sure we keep customers safe, and are now doing all they can to help get customers who had started their journey to get home, or into alternative overnight accommodation.
 
We hope that by Sunday services will be fully restored, but please do double check before you set out if you are travelling.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: old original on February 18, 2022, 18:40:04
Devon & Cornwall closed until midday Saturday....

https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/290342.aspx

....
Travel on Saturday

Network Rail are working to clear and check thousands of miles of track before reopening lines, and with both trains and crew displaced by the storm, train services will continue to be disrupted during Saturday 19 February.

Lines into Devon and Cornwall will remain closed until at least midday on Saturday 19 February and customers are advised not to travel. 

Early morning services elsewhere are likely to be disrupted, and customers should check their journey before leaving home.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 18, 2022, 18:51:27
My power came back on around 1730. Out for about 7 hours. Thankfully the freezer contents are okay. I had several cool blocks in the freezer that kept the temperature down. And equally thankfully I had yet to do a weekly shop so the fridge was bare.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 18, 2022, 19:08:06
I tip my hat to the commercial jet pilots making landings today in the UK. There's some great videos on YouTube and social media, particularly from Heathrow. Pilots certainly earning their money today.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: bobm on February 18, 2022, 21:07:15
Looking at the various live signalling maps there are a fair few empty stock trains moving about. Probably a mixture of route proving and trying to get stock back in the right place as much as possible.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 18, 2022, 21:47:54
I tip my hat to the commercial jet pilots making landings today in the UK. There's some great videos on YouTube and social media, particularly from Heathrow. Pilots certainly earning their money today.

Minor claim to fame.....wasn't today, but the Captain of this plane is my cousin, he decided to go around again and  took over control from the pilot.

https://youtu.be/Z7JKt0jwuXc


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Robin Summerhill on February 18, 2022, 21:54:35
Looking at the various live signalling maps there are a fair few empty stock trains moving about. Probably a mixture of route proving and trying to get stock back in the right place as much as possible.

Looking at RTT there was an ECS CPM to BRI at 1747. It looks like the 1132 BRI PAD got that far and was then cancelled, and the set stayed there for 5 hours before going home


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Trowres on February 18, 2022, 22:01:05
There seem to be a small number of workings shown as running in passenger service - these are shown in the "other train service updates" section of journeycheck.com/greatwesternrailway.

For example, there was an 18:40 Chippenham - Bristol TM (on RTT it's shown as "pathed as electric multiple unit"  :P

As I write, there is a 22:00 Swindon - Temple Meads shown on Journeycheck (although RTT shows it as 21:57 !). It is 1Z74 and is signalled out of P3.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 19, 2022, 08:58:19
07:41 this (Saturday 19th) morning:

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Cancellations to services on all routes

Due to severe weather:
Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

Customer Advice
Work continues to clear debris from the tracks, and move trains and staff to where they need to be to safely run our planned timetable.
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However, the extent of the work and the fact that hundreds of miles of track needs to be safety checked, means that train services will continue to be significantly disrupted today, Saturday 19 February.
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We continue to advise customers not to travel at this time.
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No trains will operate on the GWR network until at least 10:00 - with the majority of services not returning until the afternoon.
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Services in Devon and Cornwall have been particularly affected and will not run until at least 13:00.
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We're sorry for the continued disruption to our services. Our teams are working hard to get trains running safely again as soon as possible.
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Please check the latest situation before attempting to travel.
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Ticket easements:
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Tickets dated for travelon Saturday 19 February will be valid for travel later on Saturday 19, Sunday 20 or Monday 21 February.
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Customers are strongly advised to delay their journey until later in the day or considertravelling on Sunday or Monday instead.
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Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 19, 2022, 09:03:13
Actually NOT as bad as GWR made out ... first train called at Melksham this morning at 08:05 (the 08:00 running just five minutes late), so "No trains will operate on the GWR network until at least 10:00" is a bit OTT. But advice to check ahead for the rest of the day  in 100% sensible.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Robin Summerhill on February 19, 2022, 09:07:21
Bit of a turn up for the book Graham

The only trains running through Chippenham until at least Mid morning are the Transwilts services  ;D


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 19, 2022, 09:16:08
Spoke to a pal this morning who is a radiotherapy technician at a London hospital, he travelled to work early yesterday on the trains that were running and later found out that everything had ground to a halt.

GWR wouldn't help him with a taxi and had nothing else to offer, he considered the Tube to Heathrow but no joy there and nothing Waterloo to Reading.

Was looking like a hotel but then recalled a bus that runs from Kensington to Slough, and managed to get it, although it was a tortuous journey home.

Notwithstanding any churlish comments about those like my friend who found themselves stranded being the authors of their own misfortune, I'd like to thank those essential workers like him who made the effort for doing so, and ensuring that urgent medical procedures and the like were able to go ahead.

Hopefully this will only be a once in a decade/decades event.

I've had a single roofing tile slip a bit but that seems to be the extent of the damage inflicted on me by Eunice (so far!), I hope everyone else has come through unscathed.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: broadgage on February 19, 2022, 09:41:55
Spoke to a pal this morning who is a radiotherapy technician at a London hospital, he travelled to work early yesterday on the trains that were running and later found out that everything had ground to a halt.

GWR wouldn't help him with a taxi and had nothing else to offer, he considered the Tube to Heathrow but no joy there and nothing Waterloo to Reading.

Was looking like a hotel but then recalled a bus that runs from Kensington to Slough, and managed to get it, although it was a tortuous journey home.

Notwithstanding any churlish comments about those like my friend who found themselves stranded being the authors of their own misfortune, I'd like to thank those essential workers like him who made the effort for doing so, and ensuring that urgent medical procedures and the like were able to go ahead.

Hopefully this will only be a once in a decade/decades event.

I've had a single roofing tile slip a bit but that seems to be the extent of the damage inflicted on me by Eunice (so far!), I hope everyone else has come through unscathed.

This experience, does in my view support my earlier remarks about the considerable importance of providing local trains to and within urban areas, in order that essential workers may get to work, and home again. My earlier remark mentioned doctors specifically, but could reasonably be understood to include "and other healthcare workers"


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 19, 2022, 10:21:52
IMHO it was clearly the correct decision to suspend services yesterday afternoon during a storm of such a rare intensity.  There were just too many risks, borne out by the clips shared earlier in this thread and elsewhere online.  The death toll so far seems mercifully low thankfully.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 19, 2022, 10:25:21
I've had a single roofing tile slip a bit but that seems to be the extent of the damage inflicted on me by Eunice (so far!), I hope everyone else has come through unscathed.

Slightly embarrassed here - every storm has a silver lining.   Only a few twigs down and everything else tied down ahead of time.   However, the weather was so awful that Lulu and Lightning wanted to get back in having popped out to answer the call of nature in the garden, and it seems that nervous Lightning forgot (and has forgotten this morning, too) that he does not like to pass people at the door as he comes inside.   Should make it much easier to close the door in future.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: old original on February 19, 2022, 10:32:06
St Ives started at 07.30. Falmouth started 10.15


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Robin Summerhill on February 19, 2022, 11:41:02

This experience, does in my view support my earlier remarks about the considerable importance of providing local trains to and within urban areas, in order that essential workers may get to work, and home again. My earlier remark mentioned doctors specifically, but could reasonably be understood to include "and other healthcare workers"

You do of course realise that 387s, and indeed anything else, finds it veey difficult to step over a fallen tree.

And I wouldn't like to be the magaer that sent his staff out into that lot with chain saws, although they might be a little help to cut up the second tree that fell, this time on them. Would you do the sending out or the job itself?

Sometimes things aren't that straightforward...


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: johnneyw on February 19, 2022, 11:50:41
I tip my hat to the commercial jet pilots making landings today in the UK. There's some great videos on YouTube and social media, particularly from Heathrow. Pilots certainly earning their money today.

Minor claim to fame.....wasn't today, but the Captain of this plane is my cousin, he decided to go around again and  took over control from the pilot.

https://youtu.be/Z7JKt0jwuXc

That would have spilt my in flight gin and tonic!  
There was an article that I watched yesterday about the Big Jet TV YouTube channel.  
The chap who runs it has a roof mounted TV camera and tripod arrangement on his commercial van from where he films and comments on the planes landing from his vantage point near the runway.
He's had an interesting few days.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: eightonedee on February 19, 2022, 14:31:24
Out of interest - does anyone know whether the (apparently) over-engineered OHL on the GW Main Line all stayed in place during the storm, damage by falling trees or other structures excepted?


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Surrey 455 on February 19, 2022, 14:42:22
Still no services on SWR.

https://www.southwesternrailway.com/plan-my-journey
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Storm Eunice Severe Disruption
Last updated at 12:20

What's going on
Due to severe weather all lines are blocked. Train services running across the whole South Western Railway network may be cancelled, delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.

What we're doing about it

Winds of over 90 miles per hour have caused over 40 fallen trees to block routes across our network, and our patrol teams are continuing to find and remove trees on key lines this morning.

While we are working hard to run as many services as we safely can, we strongly advise you not to travel on our network until further notice. Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee that we’re able to get you to where you need to be, as replacement services will not be available on certain routes.

We're sorry for the disruption that this is causing, and thank you for your patience as we deal with the severe impact of Storm Eunice and work to restore services as soon as possible.

 

Tickets for travel today will be accepted on Sunday 20th and Monday 21st February. If you are travelling on an advanced ticket on Sunday 20th and Monday 21st February, please try to travel at a similar time to your original booking. Please note engineering works are also taking place on the South Western Railway network this weekend and a number of replacement buses are in operation. You can find further information on this here: www.southwesternrailway.com/engineering


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: JayMac on February 19, 2022, 15:33:27
Still no services on SWR.

There have been some trains between Axminster and Basingstoke/Waterloo since first thing.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Electric train on February 19, 2022, 17:11:59
Out of interest - does anyone know whether the (apparently) over-engineered OHL on the GW Main Line all stayed in place during the storm, damage by falling trees or other structures excepted?

The structures being affected by high winds is rare, although TTC (twin track cantilever) suffer from high win loading, the wire even on the GW can get blown out of gauge in high winds.  The biggest risk to OLE is objects carried in high winds, plastic sheeting etc, that get caught up in the wires


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 19, 2022, 18:16:26

This experience, does in my view support my earlier remarks about the considerable importance of providing local trains to and within urban areas, in order that essential workers may get to work, and home again. My earlier remark mentioned doctors specifically, but could reasonably be understood to include "and other healthcare workers"

You do of course realise that 387s, and indeed anything else, finds it veey difficult to step over a fallen tree.

And I wouldn't like to be the magaer that sent his staff out into that lot with chain saws, although they might be a little help to cut up the second tree that fell, this time on them. Would you do the sending out or the job itself?

Sometimes things aren't that straightforward...

Quite - and NO ONE has yet mentioned the on-train staff - I don't think that even a driver's wages cover the risk of collision with a fallen tree, etc. Anything over 10mph is not likely to stop in time in front of a falling tree....



Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: PhilWakely on February 19, 2022, 18:56:56
Still no services on SWR.

There have been some trains between Axminster and Basingstoke/Waterloo since first thing.

Looking at RTT it would appear that services between Salisbury and Waterloo have been running pretty much all day uninterrupted, whereas west of Salisbury has been very sparse with no particular pattern throughout the day. Looking at RTT for Crewkerne from first thing up until 18:45 (time of posting), 29 services were expected, but only 8 actually called (07:18, 09:21; 14:18; 16:17 and 18:19 Up services and just 13:35; 14:58 and 18:45 Down)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Bmblbzzz on February 19, 2022, 21:34:51
Out of interest - does anyone know whether the (apparently) over-engineered OHL on the GW Main Line all stayed in place during the storm, damage by falling trees or other structures excepted?

The structures being affected by high winds is rare, although TTC (twin track cantilever) suffer from high win loading, the wire even on the GW can get blown out of gauge in high winds.  The biggest risk to OLE is objects carried in high winds, plastic sheeting etc, that get caught up in the wires
Trampolines, traditionally.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Surrey 455 on February 19, 2022, 22:18:31
Still no services on SWR.

There have been some trains between Axminster and Basingstoke/Waterloo since first thing.

Looking at RTT it would appear that services between Salisbury and Waterloo have been running pretty much all day uninterrupted, whereas west of Salisbury has been very sparse with no particular pattern throughout the day. Looking at RTT for Crewkerne from first thing up until 18:45 (time of posting), 29 services were expected, but only 8 actually called (07:18, 09:21; 14:18; 16:17 and 18:19 Up services and just 13:35; 14:58 and 18:45 Down)

Yes. I've just looked at a 2 hour period on RTT from approx 1300 - 1500 at Waterloo and can see that most trains did run though many were very delayed. In fact RTT shows that many of the trains showing as cancelled in my screenshot did actually run.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 19, 2022, 23:05:50
When I went past Wokingham station at about half past three yesterday, I was a bit surprised to see a Turbo in platform 1 - I thought they'd all stopped. In fact it had stopped; it was the 10:29 to Redhill that had been stood there ever since. Other trains on both services stopped at various other points along their route at around the same time.

There has been no service at all today. While there's no shortage of trees round here suitable for blocking railways, and that's true for much of the North Downs Line too, I was not sure why no SWR trains could have run. There are two ECS runs showing on RTT: one to Waterloo at 10:11, taking its time, and one outward at 19:17, keeping pretty well to its timings. They do look like successful route proving.

Then saw they ran via Kingston not Richmond. The signalling maps show an all-lines 'T3' block at Putney (plus a couple of sections labelled TREE), and in fact there's a planned closure and the diversions are timetabled. So why are there still no trains? Well, NR on Twitter reported a big tree removed earlier today, underneath which was a very bent signalling cabinet. That blockage is not on the signal map, though they are showing the line to Crowthorne as blocked.

I did defer my shopping  trip from just before midday until later, given that big oak trees along roads - even well into town - are a local feature. On my walk today I went a bit further out than the route to Waitrose, and the pavements are littered with tree fragments. The Holt school (and my neighbour) had lost fence panels, but I only saw one whole tree down on that short walk. I suspect the roads further out were blocked in several places, but they do go out and clear trees pretty quickly as it's quite a frequent occurrence. I remember in the past trying three routes from Reading to Wokingham and finding them all blocked (I think I resorted to the A329M).


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 20, 2022, 06:48:43
When I went past Wokingham station at about half past three yesterday, I was a bit surprised to see a Turbo in platform 1 - I thought they'd all stopped. In fact it had stopped; it was the 10:29 to Redhill that had been stood there ever since. Other trains on both services stopped at various other points along their route at around the same time.

There has been no service at all today. While there's no shortage of trees round here suitable for blocking railways, and that's true for much of the North Downs Line too, I was not sure why no SWR trains could have run. There are two ECS runs showing on RTT: one to Waterloo at 10:11, taking its time, ...

At the height of the storm, a decision was taken to terminate all trains at the next staffed station - and that included intermediate stations where trains rarely terminate.

Sunday 20th February - North Downs line to remain blocked all day:

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Cancellations to services between Reading and Redhill
Due to an obstruction on the track between Reading and Redhill all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
Customer Advice
A number of fallen trees are blocking the line between Reading and Redhill.

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We continue to advise customers not to travel at this time.
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We're sorry for the continued disruption to our services. Our teams are working hard to get trains running safely again as soon as possible.
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Please check the latest situation before attempting to travel.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 20, 2022, 06:53:15
Beyond Eurnice - a new storm .... this dated 20th February 2022

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Cancellations to services on all routes
Due to severe weather:
Train services running across the whole Great Western Railway network may be cancelled or delayed. Disruption is expected until 13:00 21/02.
Customer Advice
We're sorry for the continued disruption to our services. Our teams are working hard to get trains running safely again as soon as possible.
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The Met Office has issued a yellow weather warning for much of the GWR network on Sunday and Monday. Strong winds are forecast, posing a risk to lineside trees and structures already weakened by Storm Eunice.
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As a result, a 50mph speed restriction will be in place across the GWR network for the whole of Sunday and may be extended through Monday.
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We will be running a significantly reduced service, and late notice delays and cancellations are likely.
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Services that are able to run will be busy, and journeys will take longer. Degraded road conditions in the region will mean alternative transport will not be available.
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Only travel if absolutely necessary, andPlease check the latest situation before attempting to travel.
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Ticket easements:
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Tickets dated for travelon Friday 18 February, Saturday 19 & Sunday 20February will be valid for travel until Wednesday 23 February.
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Customers are strongly advised to check their journey before setting off and if possible, travel on Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday instead.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 20, 2022, 07:38:16
Looks like they are cancelling almost all trains between London and Exeter. The handful that are still down to run are going to be absolutely rammed.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 20, 2022, 07:52:13
Looks like they are cancelling almost all trains between London and Exeter. The handful that are still down to run are going to be absolutely rammed.

Looks like there might be some planning in there - a train running every couple of hours.  It will be interesting to see just how busy they are. on one hand, there is 'do not travel" advice, and on the other, half term and people who have already put off their journey on the previous advice of "do not travel during Eunice - your ticket will be valid on Sunday".

Noting the 50 m.p.h. limit ...  timekeeping will be - err - thrown to the wind.

St Ives appears to be alternate trains running - probably because at 50 mph they would be losing time all day and, I congecture, one train per hour will be sufficient capacity-wise.

Remembering these cuts are on top of an already-thinned covid timetable - gap in Melksham to Swindon, for example, 08:36 to 13:07 and there are no flagged cancellations on Journeycheck.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TaplowGreen on February 20, 2022, 08:12:19
Looks like they are cancelling almost all trains between London and Exeter. The handful that are still down to run are going to be absolutely rammed.

Not a particularly unusual GWR scenario on a Sunday to be fair, but adding in people who were unable to travel on Friday or Saturday it will indeed be more rammed than usual.

I presume it's still buses between Plymouth and Tiverton too? I wonder how that will stand up. Hopefully GWR will be taking into account that they could be dealing with 3 days into 1 and will have booked extra coaches.......may even be an argument for extending these as far as Reading given the circumstances?


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: bobm on February 20, 2022, 10:57:35
Both tonight's sleeper services cancelled.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 20, 2022, 11:36:12
At Wokingham, a train has run! Only to Guildford (due in 11:30), but there is scheduled work just after there and buses timetabled to link to Shalford. So far no buses have run, but then no trains have turned up. At least, not at the Guildford end - two trains have left Shalford towards Gatwick, so why no buses to feed them?

From Friday on, cancellations were given as due to high winds (XW), and east of Shalford they still are. At Reading, they have been saying "This service was cancelled due to temporary speed restrictions as a result of heat (X4)." That seems odd, but the full wording is "Blanket speed restriction for extreme heat or high wind in accordance with the Group Standards." Even then, that sounds like a reason to lose up to half the service, not all of it.

SWR are just not running trains, with no reason given. But the service would have been reduced anyway, due to the block at Putney, so it's hard to know why.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 20, 2022, 13:51:35
Storm FRANKLIN it is ... then - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60452334

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Storm Franklin is forecast to hit the UK after Storm Eunice left 1.4 million homes without power.
The Met Office has issued an amber wind warning for Northern Ireland for Monday morning and yellow ones for parts of the UK from Sunday.
This comes days after one of the worst storms in the UK in decades in which three people died.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 20, 2022, 14:20:03
At Wokingham, a train has run! Only to Guildford (due in 11:30), but there is scheduled work just after there and buses timetabled to link to Shalford. So far no buses have run, but then no trains have turned up. At least, not at the Guildford end - two trains have left Shalford towards Gatwick, so why no buses to feed them?

That's not fair, since RRBs never (or almost never) have actual times to show. But at least the connecting train from Shalford (12:05) left, six minutes late which matches the late arrival into Guildford, and kept that delay through to Gatwick.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: BBM on February 20, 2022, 15:16:45
150248/150265/150246 are working 1A86 14:15 Exeter St Davids to Reading:

https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204 (https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 20, 2022, 15:34:54
150248/150265/150246 are working 1A86 14:15 Exeter St Davids to Reading:

https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204 (https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204)
Looks like it’s forming 1C92 1836 Paddington to Exeter St David’s starting at Reading.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichardB on February 20, 2022, 16:04:23
150248/150265/150246 are working 1A86 14:15 Exeter St Davids to Reading:

https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204 (https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204)

I know it's only sensible to run a train like this as far as Reading but it would have been quite something to have seen it at Paddington.   Must be a very long time since a Cl150 was there and I doubt a green one ever has been.   Hope there's plenty of space on up and down workings for the passengers (ie it's not too full)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Celestial on February 20, 2022, 16:13:24
Just passed through Melksham to add to the excitement of any passengers expecting a journey via Newbury.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Timmer on February 20, 2022, 16:20:36
Hope there's plenty of space on up and down workings for the passengers (ie it's not too full)
You’d be a bit gutted if you had a first class ticket, but probably just grateful the train you are on is actually running.

Talking of first class on a 150, did any ever have a first class section just behind the driver’s cab in their very early days? I remember there used to be a sliding door to that section of the train.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: bradshaw on February 20, 2022, 17:03:13
According to Journey Check the Waterloo-Exeter service truncated to Yeovil Jct-Basingstoke, nothing west of Yeovil.

https://www.journeycheck.com/swr/


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichardB on February 20, 2022, 17:13:56
Hope there's plenty of space on up and down workings for the passengers (ie it's not too full)
You’d be a bit gutted if you had a first class ticket, but probably just grateful the train you are on is actually running.

Talking of first class on a 150, did any ever have a first class section just behind the driver’s cab in their very early days? I remember there used to be a sliding door to that section of the train.

Completely agree re the Sprinter special. You'd just be glad there was a train (and you'll be able to get at least the first class bit of the fare back.)

That lockable sliding door was to create a secure area for postbags, Red Star parcels etc, I believe.  I don't think any 150s ever had a first class section.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichardB on February 20, 2022, 17:19:45
150248/150265/150246 are working 1A86 14:15 Exeter St Davids to Reading:

https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204 (https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204)

Not doing too bad, all things considered and given the 75MPH top speed.  34 late passing Didcot Parkway  https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:14087/2022-02-20/detailed


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: jamestheredengine on February 20, 2022, 17:50:23
Just passed through Melksham to add to the excitement of any passengers expecting a journey via Newbury.
Given how much time the train an hour behind it is losing on the Berks and Hants, that was probably an excellent call.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: a-driver on February 20, 2022, 19:03:58

Not doing too bad, all things considered and given the 75MPH top speed.  34 late passing Didcot Parkway  https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:14087/2022-02-20/detailed


Blanket 50mph speed restriction in force. 


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 20, 2022, 19:08:04
From ITV (https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-20/potential-storm-gladys-could-hit-days-after-storms-franklin-eunice-and-dudley)

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Potential 'Storm Gladys' could hit UK just days after havoc of Storms Franklin, Eunice and Dudley


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichardB on February 20, 2022, 19:14:29
150248/150265/150246 are working 1A86 14:15 Exeter St Davids to Reading:

https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204 (https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204)

Not doing too bad, all things considered and given the 75MPH top speed.  34 late passing Didcot Parkway  https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:14087/2022-02-20/detailed


And here it is at Didcot  https://twitter.com/TonyP146/status/1495465089469755397


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 20, 2022, 19:18:25
It's getting quite squally here, though not like Friday of course - it's dark, and there's more rain. Meanwhile, SWR have at last managed to get a train all the way from Waterloo to Reading. Nominally that's 2C51 and arrived 47L at 19:04, but the timetable (even as amended) has little to do with it. There have been a handful of trains so far, all of them part-route but in overlapping parts, which is odd.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichardB on February 20, 2022, 19:40:25
 Cl150s 19 02 Reading to Exeter back the same way they came.  https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:14108/2022-02-20/detailed



Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 20, 2022, 20:13:43
Storm FRANKLIN it is ... then - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60452334

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Storm Franklin is forecast to hit the UK after Storm Eunice left 1.4 million homes without power.
The Met Office has issued an amber wind warning for Northern Ireland for Monday morning and yellow ones for parts of the UK from Sunday.
This comes days after one of the worst storms in the UK in decades in which three people died.

I've been a bit surprised not to hear, at least from meteorologists, a clearer explanation that having big storms in sequence is to be expected. It's not a case of one is rare, so two close together ought to be very rare indeed - these are not independent events. We have heard that a very strong jet stream spins them up and guides them, so it's not really surprising that it can do the same trick again while it's still as strong, and if it's not moved the resulting storm will follow a similar track.

There have been a number of examples, the clearest being the millennium storms Lothar (26th) and Martin (27th December 1999), both of which landed on the Atlantic coast of France. While less powerful, France also had a pair on 12 and 13 January 2004 and four in a row on 2-5 January 1998.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: BBM on February 20, 2022, 21:23:04
150248/150265/150246 are working 1A86 14:15 Exeter St Davids to Reading:

https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204 (https://twitter.com/Tall_Controller/status/1495403416293683204)

Not doing too bad, all things considered and given the 75MPH top speed.  34 late passing Didcot Parkway  https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:14087/2022-02-20/detailed


And here it is at Didcot  https://twitter.com/TonyP146/status/1495465089469755397


And here it is at Melksham: https://twitter.com/25kV/status/1495497305935745026 (https://twitter.com/25kV/status/1495497305935745026)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 20, 2022, 23:06:10
It's getting quite squally here, though not like Friday of course - it's dark, and there's more rain. Meanwhile, SWR have at last managed to get a train all the way from Waterloo to Reading. Nominally that's 2C51 and arrived 47L at 19:04, but the timetable (even as amended) has little to do with it. There have been a handful of trains so far, all of them part-route but in overlapping parts, which is odd.

And since then ... nothing. Apparently there's a tree near Longross, and I suspect more than just one. The signallers have put "-ESO" in a couple of places, whatever that means (probably not Eisenbahn-Signalordnung). Meanwhile GWR have managed something that looks like a service - most trains on time RDG-GLD, though half being cancelled east of Shalford.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: grahame on February 21, 2022, 08:14:24
As part of the (virtual) cleanup and activity for the multiple storm, I have retitled this thread to cover the whole series of storms.  I did consider splitting each into a separate thread, but it was hard to identify where one ended and the next started ....

Subject line liable to further amendment for Hubert, Ida, John, Keira and Luke.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TonyK on February 21, 2022, 08:28:14
Beyond Eurnice - a new storm .... this dated 20th February 2022


They say it's as bad as the Great Storm of a couple of days ago.

From ITV (https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-20/potential-storm-gladys-could-hit-days-after-storms-franklin-eunice-and-dudley)

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Potential 'Storm Gladys' could hit UK just days after havoc of Storms Franklin, Eunice and Dudley

That one too.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Robin Summerhill on February 21, 2022, 08:46:37
As part of the (virtual) cleanup and activity for the multiple storm, I have retitled this thread to cover the whole series of storms.  I did consider splitting each into a separate thread, but it was hard to identify where one ended and the next started ....

Subject line liable to further amendment for Hubert, Ida, John, Keira and Luke.

This is staring to look like a list of children in a 1911 census record...  ;)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 21, 2022, 09:25:10
As part of the (virtual) cleanup and activity for the multiple storm, I have retitled this thread to cover the whole series of storms.  I did consider splitting each into a separate thread, but it was hard to identify where one ended and the next started ....

And then there's the nameless interstorm stormlings, like last night's. SWR are complaining about the trees that came down last night, including the one hit by a train at Sunningdale. And my neighbour has just lost four of the three fence panels that popped out of their slots for Eunice. But then trying to put fence panels back together without any new wood was never likely to work that well.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 21, 2022, 10:35:16
How big is a named storm? Franklin is a much bigger pressure system overall than Eunice, and even the fronts that gave yesterday's squalls appear to have been part of it. But media reporting is still mostly saying it's due further north and later today. Which, as an aside, is not exactly London-centric.

So does the name only apply to the part of the pressure system that gives the extreme weather that led to the naming? Or does it cover the outskirts, like the wiggle (or trough) that gave this mornings gusts over southern England, or yesterday's front line?


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 21, 2022, 12:01:58
All of it, the whole circulation.

Yellow warning from yesterday evening through to 1pm today, so last night was during the storm


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: stuving on February 21, 2022, 12:15:14
All of it, the whole circulation.

Yellow warning from yesterday evening through to 1pm today, so last night was during the storm

Except the yellow warning does not mention the name Franklin anywhere. It is timed at 9:43 yesterday, while the naming announcement was at 9:41. So the purpose of naming storms is ...?


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: IndustryInsider on February 21, 2022, 12:16:48
So the purpose of naming storms is ...?

...so the media can make up catchy headlines.  ;)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TonyK on February 21, 2022, 17:34:04
So the purpose of naming storms is ...?

...so the media can make up catchy headlines.  ;)

In part it is for media attention, but the real purpose is to try to shake an apathetic populace into realising that what is coming is potentially dangerous to life and limb. "There will be a deepening area of low pressure falling below 970 hPa with gusts of up to 60 knots" might frighten an aviator or a yachtsman, but isn't likely to have locals tying down the trampoline and taking a day off swimming in the sea. "Storm Eunice is going to bite you where it hurts if you don't listen to sense" might just help drive home the point, although not with the die-hard freedom fighters or nutters. A storm can be named by our very own Met Office, or by their Dutch or Irish equivalent depending on who cops it first.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: didcotdean on February 21, 2022, 19:35:59
Having an "official" British naming system (or as it turned out joint system with Ireland and then the Netherlands, plus co-ordinated wider afield) was prompted by the mess over the 27 and 28 October 2013 storm, which was variously referred to as "Christian", "Simone",  "Carmen",  "Allan", and "St Jude's" by various bodies across Europe.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: ChrisB on February 21, 2022, 20:01:11
As Eunice was across other EU countries other than the Netherlands!


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: RichT54 on February 21, 2022, 22:04:41
According to the Met Office:

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When is a storm named?

The criteria we use for naming storms is based on our National Severe Weather Warnings service. This is based on a combination of both the impact the weather may have, and the likelihood of those impacts occurring.

A storm will be named when it has the potential to cause an amber or red warning.

Other weather types will also be considered, specifically rain if its impact could lead to flooding as advised by the Environment Agency, SEPA and Natural Resources Wales flood warnings. Therefore 'storm systems' could be named on the basis of impacts from the wind but also include the impacts of rain and snow.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-storm-centre/index (https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/warnings-and-advice/uk-storm-centre/index)


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: didcotdean on February 22, 2022, 12:19:48
As Eunice was across other EU countries other than the Netherlands!
Germany is not part of any grouping or reciprocal arrangements, and still has the University of Free Berlin coming up with its own names.  They probably feel miffed that everyone has stolen their concept.

The Northern Group reserves the right to use another name if they judge another group has used a name that is unpronounceable, which they considered was the case for Eunice.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: TonyK on February 22, 2022, 14:26:09

The Northern Group reserves the right to use another name if they judge another group has used a name that is unpronounceable, which they considered was the case for Eunice.

"Oy-knicker" wouldn't sound right.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: broadgage on February 22, 2022, 14:48:41
Nor would EU-NICE as some people think EU-nasty.


Title: Re: Storms Eunice, Franklin, Gladys from 18/2/2022
Post by: Robin Summerhill on February 22, 2022, 18:39:19
Nor would EU-NICE as some people think EU-nasty.

If people are daft enough to bother about that they are probably in need of something important to worry about...



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