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Journey by Journey => Bristol (WECA) Commuters => Topic started by: Red Squirrel on August 30, 2021, 10:15:05



Title: North Somerset line - options
Post by: Red Squirrel on August 30, 2021, 10:15:05
Bristol Live has published quite a long article today, discussing options for the North Somerset line through Brislington. Here's a flavour of it:

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Bristol's lost railway line and the four ideas for its future

It's been empty for almost 60 years - but controversial plans to turn it into a road are still on the table

It was once one of the principal economic arteries for Bristol and North Somerset - a railway line from the coal mines of Somerset right into the heart of Bristol.

But for almost 60 years, the North Somerset railway has been abandoned, left to become a quiet, overgrown and out-of-bounds path that echoes to the ghosts of those old coal trains.

But now, 57 years on after the last train ran, the question of what, if anything, should happen to this long-lost railway, will be one of the key questions the city has to wrestle with into the 2020s.

The article goes on to discuss four options:
  • A new road
  • A cycleway
  • Do nothing
  • A rail/tram route

If that's piqued your interest, then read the full article here: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/bristols-lost-railway-line-four-5842671

...and you can see what it looked like in my dad's days in this thread: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=25218.msg308616#msg308616


Title: Re: North Somerset line - options
Post by: johnneyw on August 30, 2021, 10:55:44
I was within a minute or two of posting the same article.  Refreshing to see that Bristol Live is still capable of publishing interesting, informed stuff amongst all the click bait.

I have to admit to not having heard of the "temporary" container unit and path suggestion before.  Better than a road option and not necessarily an obstacle to a light rail use which always takes a long time to happen anyway.


Title: Re: North Somerset line - options
Post by: Lee on August 30, 2021, 11:09:58
I was within a minute or two of posting the same article.  Refreshing to see that Bristol Live is still capable of publishing interesting, informed stuff amongst all the click bait.

I have to admit to not having heard of the "temporary" container unit and path suggestion before.  Better than a road option and not necessarily an obstacle to a light rail use which always takes a long time to happen anyway.

I think the example of the Bristol to Bath Railway Path through the likes of Fishponds, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield tells you all you need to know about the likelihood of Heavy or Light Rail ever happening close in to the centre of Bristol once the potential route in question becomes a cycle path.


Title: Re: North Somerset line - options
Post by: johnneyw on August 30, 2021, 12:02:30

I think the example of the Bristol to Bath Railway Path through the likes of Fishponds, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield tells you all you need to know about the likelihood of Heavy or Light Rail ever happening close in to the centre of Bristol once the potential route in question becomes a cycle path.

But are all rail options on the Bristol to Bath railway path really gone?
The Avon Valley Railway still have aspirations to extend close to Bath.  Furthermore, could not the lack of any immediate prospect of commuter rail reintroduction on parts of the route be more due to lack of political commitment than resistance from elements of the cycle lobby?
Could there not be room for both?


Title: Re: North Somerset line - options
Post by: Lee on August 30, 2021, 12:59:11

I think the example of the Bristol to Bath Railway Path through the likes of Fishponds, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield tells you all you need to know about the likelihood of Heavy or Light Rail ever happening close in to the centre of Bristol once the potential route in question becomes a cycle path.

But are all rail options on the Bristol to Bath railway path really gone?
The Avon Valley Railway still have aspirations to extend close to Bath.  Furthermore, could not the lack of any immediate prospect of commuter rail reintroduction on parts of the route be more due to lack of political commitment than resistance from elements of the cycle lobby?
Could there not be room for both?

You'll note I very carefully worded my post to restrict what I was saying to close in to the centre of Bristol ie Fishponds, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield. I am well aware that the Avon Valley Railway have proposals to extend to a "Bath Riverside" station, which is feasible, and can build on the arrangements already in place to share the route with the cyclepath.

The cycle lobby were vociferously opposed to the prospect of Bus Rapid Transit alongside the cycle path through Fishponds, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield a decade or so ago, which was probably fair enough, given how indescribably terrible and utterly flawed that proposal was. However, that experience scared the politicians and transport planners so much, that they have never dared to try and propose the cycle path for any other use - even what some of us would perhaps consider more benign light rail purposes - since, and nor do I personally think they are likely to any time soon.

Leaving the above aside, in terms of whether it is actually possible in terms of room for both between Central Bristol, Fishponds, Staple Hill and Mangotsfield, the route does seem awfully narrow in places, but with modern technology, and a number of schemes with bigger obstacles to climb making the Restoring Your Railway cut, who really knows?



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