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Title: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 08, 2020, 08:58:58
What have these sets in common?  Can you add any more examples?

1. Balloch, Uckfield, Sheringham

2. Altnbraec, Kilmaurs, Sturry

3. Llandeilo, Criccieth, Wootton Wawen

4. Abertafol, Errol, Lea Bridge and Groombridge

5. Loch Awe, Loch Eil Outward Bound, Flowery Field and Melksham

6. Ampress, Medina Wharf, Glencarron, Coed y Bleiddiau

7. Harling Road, Hagley, Hatton, Harlech

It's the nature of questions like these that members will come up with different connections than I had thought of - and that illustrates the wonderful variety in our railway


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: bradshaw on December 08, 2020, 09:20:17
5 all opened/reopened in 1985


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: froome on December 08, 2020, 09:31:56
no 1 - all are termini on branch lines that used to continue onwards. Balloch originally continued to Balloch Pier; Uckfield met up with the line to Lewes, and Sheringham continued onto the Poppy Line to Holt.

Have they all been resited as well? Balloch was after Balloch Central and Pier stations closed, and Uckfield was resited after the Lewes line closed. Was Sheringham also resited?


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 08, 2020, 09:41:43
5 all opened/reopened in 1985

Yes

no 1 - all are termini on branch lines that used to continue onwards. Balloch originally continued to Balloch Pier; Uckfield met up with the line to Lewes, and Sheringham continued onto the Poppy Line to Holt.

Have they all been resited as well? Balloch was after Balloch Central and Pier stations closed, and Uckfield was resited after the Lewes line closed. Was Sheringham also resited?

Yes, and there's something even more specific following on from that.


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: froome on December 08, 2020, 11:00:56
5 all opened/reopened in 1985

Yes

no 1 - all are termini on branch lines that used to continue onwards. Balloch originally continued to Balloch Pier; Uckfield met up with the line to Lewes, and Sheringham continued onto the Poppy Line to Holt.

Have they all been resited as well? Balloch was after Balloch Central and Pier stations closed, and Uckfield was resited after the Lewes line closed. Was Sheringham also resited?

Yes, and there's something even more specific following on from that.

They were all resited on the opposite sides of level crossings, (and possibly that meant the level crossings could then be removed).


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: Oxonhutch on December 08, 2020, 16:38:20
No. 3 used to have direct services to Birmingham New Street


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: TonyN on December 08, 2020, 17:17:13
No6 Where all stations provided for Private sites and are now closed


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 08, 2020, 17:26:10
They were all resited on the opposite sides of level crossings, (and possibly that meant the level crossings could then be removed).

Yes, that's the connection I had

No6 Where all stations provided for Private sites and are now closed

Yes

No. 3 used to have direct services to Birmingham New Street

Hmmm  ..... maybe the did / do, but I have another connection - something which applies to those three stations and I don't think to any other.


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: eightonedee on December 08, 2020, 21:33:13
Eureka! I think I have worked out no. 2 - their three letter station codes comprise consecutive letters of the alphabet (ABC, KLM and STU)


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: stuving on December 08, 2020, 21:58:40
Eureka! I think I have worked out no. 2 - their three letter station codes comprise consecutive letters of the alphabet (ABC, KLM and STU)

Simultaneously, I was just looking up the codes of the stations in no. 3 - LLL, CCC, and WWW - must be something about those, I suspect!


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2020, 00:06:25
Eureka! I think I have worked out no. 2 - their three letter station codes comprise consecutive letters of the alphabet (ABC, KLM and STU)

Simultaneously, I was just looking up the codes of the stations in no. 3 - LLL, CCC, and WWW - must be something about those, I suspect!

Yes - there are just three stations with the same letter and only 4 with consecutive letters.



Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2020, 00:09:09
Just 2 left

4. Abertafol, Errol, Lea Bridge and Groombridge

7. Harling Road, Hagley, Hatton, Harlech


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2020, 00:11:44
No6 Where all stations provided for Private sites and are now closed

Yes

Checking back - trains may still call on request at Coed y Bleiddiau ?? - not sure on this


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2020, 00:25:28
No6 Where all stations provided for Private sites and are now closed

Yes

Checking back - trains may still call on request at Coed y Bleiddiau ?? - not sure on this

Yep ...

https://www.landmarktrust.org.uk/search-and-book/properties/coed-y-bleiddiau-50127/

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Set at the heart of breathtaking scenery in the Snowdonia National Park, Coed y Bleiddiau is a small railway cottage at a remote private halt on the restored Ffestiniog Railway. It was built in 1863 for the railway Superintendent, T. Henry Hovenden. If you time it right, you might even be able to arrive here by steam train.

and

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It has its own private platform, where you can alight from a steam train if you time your arrival to today?s timetable. (There is also car access within at least a 20 minute walk over an unmade footpath).


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: plymothian on December 09, 2020, 07:58:10
4.  All officially closed in 1985


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2020, 09:15:54
4.  All officially closed in 1985

Correct.   Just no. 7 left


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: bobm on December 09, 2020, 10:24:49
Eureka! I think I have worked out no. 2 - their three letter station codes comprise consecutive letters of the alphabet (ABC, KLM and STU)

Sturry played a large part in sparking my interest in railways.  My grandparents lived on the North Kent coast and we passed by the station on the way there.  Not only did it mean the journey (pre M25 days) was nearly over but I was fascinated by the manual level crossing gates which it had at the time.  I remember my father taking me there for an hour just so I could watch the procedure of opening and closing the gates a few times.

Of course now replaced with barriers.

(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sturry2.jpg)


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: bradshaw on December 09, 2020, 13:36:30
7 It cannot only be that they all start with Ha..., can it?


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2020, 13:43:29
7 It cannot only be that they all start with Ha..., can it?

Not only, no ... they have something else in common too - that's been under discussion on the forum within the last week.  They "are the only four stations with names starting with 'H' and [fill the gap] ..."


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2020, 20:48:48
7 It cannot only be that they all start with Ha..., can it?

Not only, no ... they have something else in common too - that's been under discussion on the forum within the last week.  They "are the only four stations with names starting with 'H' and [fill the gap] ..."

If we move the goal post slightly wider, we could add ...
Hatfield Peverel   
Hubberts Bridge


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: eightonedee on December 09, 2020, 22:07:02
Something to do with the 2019-20 station usage figures?


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 09, 2020, 22:40:11
Something to do with the 2019-20 station usage figures?

Yes ... you're on topic


Title: Re: 8th December 2020 - Advent quiz - groups in common
Post by: grahame on December 11, 2020, 14:19:39
What have these sets in common?  Can you add any more examples?

7. Harling Road, Hagley, Hatton, Harlech


This final group, astonishly in some cases, each had over 70% of their annual station entrances and exits accounted for by season tickets in the year to March 2020.

Here are the lowest "Ha"s by season ticket percentage

Code:
0.00%   4.89%   HVN     Havenhouse      1719    84      64      20      0
0.41%   116.90% HVF     Haverfordwest   97082   113486  58720   54298   468
1.66%   223.53% HSG     Hathersage      32748   73200   33192   38796   1212
6.79%   115.25% HWD     Hawarden        27943   32204   27522   2494    2188
6.95%   243.36% HTF     Hartford (Cheshire)     116329  283096  95236   168186  19674
7.53%   251.78% HTE     Hatch End       265681  668940  179758  438784  50398
7.70%   n/a     HOH     Harrow-On-The-Hill              2653640 1158172 1291108 204360
9.07%   157.47% HWH     Haltwhistle     51592   81244   22682   51190   7372
9.38%   207.53% HAS     Halesworth      48107   99838   28646   61830   9362

And here are the highest ...

Code:
50.11%	136.87%	HHE	Haywards Heath	3278415	4487050	696072	1542538	2248440
50.31% 170.67% HSK Hassocks 819830 1399200 203096 492214 703890
50.57% 208.46% HRM Harrietsham 49410 103000 21862 29056 52082
51.42% 130.57% HSL Haslemere 1305212 1704156 292734 535132 876290
56.09% 400.80% HSD Hamstead (Birmingham) 78009 312662 53018 84284 175360
69.54% 115.28% HAP Hatfield Peverel 368715 425046 54464 74986 295596
70.63% 115.00% HRL Harlech 116371 133824 30520 8788 94516
73.59% 166.48% HRD Harling Road 2279 3794 738 264 2792
74.63% 248.65% HAG Hagley 197970 492262 59418 65472 367372
75.28% 438.18% HTN Hatton 21669 94950 14324 9144 71482

Columns:
Percentage season tickets
2019 traffic as a perchentage of 1999 traffic
Three Letter Code
Proper Name
1999 traffic total
2019 Full price journeys
2019 Reduced price journeys
2019 Season ticket journeys



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