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Title: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: grahame on May 04, 2020, 08:52:50 From the Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8282473/Railway-tunnel-designed-Brunel-links-two-Welsh-towns-reopened-cycle-path.html)
Quote Pedal into the past: Railway tunnel designed by Isambard Kingdom Brunel that links two Welsh towns could be reopened as cycle path nearly 60 years after last train passed through * The 1.4 mile tunnel would be the longest in Europe if transformed into a route * It runs between former coal and steals towns of Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare in South Wales * Hundreds of people have backed the plans to turn it into a traffic-free route When I first picked up this article, I thought they meant the old tunnel when the line from Treherbert continued under the hill toward Swansea and Maesteg - the latter closing in about 1970. But I think this is a different one? "Abernant Tunnel" Is there a list of rail tunnels open to cycles / walkers? Or proposed for such treatment? Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: CyclingSid on May 04, 2020, 09:36:14 Not that I am aware of. Might be worth having a rummage through sites like http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/tunnels/database/index.html (http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/tunnels/database/index.html). An enjoyable diversion for whatever reason.
There were also plans by the South Downs National Park to re-open the tunnels on the line north from Chichester for walking and cycling to make a connection to the South Downs Way. Singleton and Cocking Tunnels first, but the first problem is bats. Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: Celestial on May 04, 2020, 10:18:22 But I think this is a different one? "Abernant Tunnel" Yes, it's a different one. You can just make out the site of the portals on recent OS maps. They are at 027027 and 044045 on map 170. The name is a bit confusing, as the Aberdare portal is not at Abernant but just north of Cwmbach, where an aunt used to live - I just remember being taken as a little girl to see it soon after they had lifted the track and walking into it as far as I would dare. Which wasn't very far! Good to see the Daily Mail's standard of journalism is up to its usual standard "coal and steal towns". Actually, come to think of it... Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: Richard Fairhurst on May 04, 2020, 10:29:42 There's two tunnels nearby proposed for reopening as bike paths: Abernant Tunnel, which is the one referred to in the article, and Rhondda Tunnel, from Blaencwm to Blaengwynfi. Sustrans was commissioned to do a report on these and a few others in 2015: https://gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2017-09/converting-railway-tunnels-into-walking-and-cycling-routes.pdf . Abernant would fill the last gap in the Heads of the Valleys cycle route (NCN 46), which would be particularly welcome.
I don't know of an official list of cyclable tunnels, but here's the top results if I query my OpenStreetMap database for tunnels that are marked as cycleways of one sort of another. (It includes canal tunnels, too, so Netherton is the top result.) Longest first, and you can view them on OSM with a link like https://osm.org/way/133608113 . (edit: see table in post below) Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: grahame on May 04, 2020, 10:49:41 Not that I am aware of. Might be worth having a rummage through sites like http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/tunnels/database/index.html (http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/tunnels/database/index.html). An enjoyable diversion for whatever reason. There were also plans by the South Downs National Park to re-open the tunnels on the line north from Chichester for walking and cycling to make a connection to the South Downs Way. Singleton and Cocking Tunnels first, but the first problem is bats. I have added "forgotten relics" to our useful links thread - http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=22672.msg287634#msg287634 - and updated that as promised 4 months ago (the word "forgotten" comes up again - sorry, folks - but on it now) Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: rogerw on May 04, 2020, 10:50:41 Went through Netherton tunnel in 1994 by boat. Quite an experience. Presumably if the towpath is now a cycle route they have installed lighting. I would not fancy cycling the 9081ft in the dark adjacent to water
Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: grahame on May 04, 2020, 11:58:51 Went through Netherton tunnel in 1994 by boat. Quite an experience. Presumably if the towpath is now a cycle route they have installed lighting. I would not fancy cycling the 9081ft in the dark adjacent to water Probably more efficient to install lighting on the cycle than in the tunnel, though the tunnel was lit in earlier days - Wikipedia tells us: Quote The tunnel was fitted, from the start, with gas lighting over the towpaths, though this was later converted to electricity and it is now unlit. A fascinating trip ... try also (but no cycle / tow path) Dudley Tunnel. Richard's list of tunnels is fascinating - I've looked up one or two which attracted me by name. Does the database look allow a latitude / longitude, or easting / northing output? I see a project coming on! Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: Richard Fairhurst on May 04, 2020, 12:20:14 Netherton is "a route you can cycle" rather than a "cycle route", if you see what I mean. The towpath is open to bikes but not particularly maintained for their comfort. (In other words, you'll get wet! I've boated it countless times but never had the guts to cycle it.)
It's the longest cyclable traffic-free tunnel in Europe, I believe; Rhondda will be longer if it reopens. Here's the table with lat/longs of the start point: osm_id | name | st -----------+-----------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------- 133608113 | Netherton Tunnel | 52.5152781690595,-2.04937184292066 39040589 | Combe Down Tunnel | 51.3681983781915,-2.35529643669411 33611797 | Clyde Tunnel | 55.8634972938996,-4.33203571596951 22752445 | Clyde Tunnel | 55.8727455000021,-4.32915221373901 5851753 | Union Canal Towpath | 55.9855975010952,-3.79048059772024 291440634 | Neidpath Tunnel | 55.6496560886489,-3.21872609591249 23746120 | The Innocent Railway | 55.9414423760123,-3.17222004415904 116465142 | Headstone Tunnel | 53.239291801405,-1.71934050934021 116465141 | Litton Tunnel | 53.2528644658755,-1.75890168563214 4761318 | Kelmarsh Tunnel | 52.4102278161683,-0.898838013783351 84009097 | Bristol & Bath Railway Path | 51.4791902759159,-2.51124019709307 116465140 | Cressbrook Tunnel | 53.2501780007063,-1.74993892454789 39042117 | Devonshire Tunnel | 51.3704367088161,-2.36886045849514 34082919 | Oxendon Tunnel | 52.4447786070354,-0.914354523854419 32148450 | | 53.3458898943676,-2.28752312991524 23909292 | Tissington Trail | 53.0190096742621,-1.73904819920087 80133744 | | 53.3490348924332,-2.29018870085781 313503674 | Ballyvoyle Tunnel | 52.1208235823957,-7.5060521212022 10961761 | Chee Tor Tunnel | 53.2551068020147,-1.81320834798677 37851028 | Pedestrian Tunnel | 54.9886091752523,-1.4874829090577 258351780 | Grenofen Tunnel - Drake's Trail | 50.5222950142092,-4.12552902216249 267886123 | Founder's Steam Tunnel | 51.4248219824844,-0.567808202764608 427178925 | Thurgoland Tunnel | 53.5019329989394,-1.57575451297877 716821591 | Newchurch Number Two Tunnel | 53.6906574853615,-2.24511366535196 279514322 | | 53.1902800959151,-4.0812133325663 39333786 | Shaugh Tunnel | 50.45751479025,-4.07217430451444 36918977 | Dewsbury-Ossett Greenway | 53.6835395733188,-1.61335358902713 61793295 | | 53.8690142677489,-1.6675908116103 80133738 | | 53.3452006097004,-2.28598611246411 32148452 | | 53.3437832857133,-2.28334174176225 608423645 | | 51.5232042663988,0.0342125172587488 323827846 | | 52.2653715698004,-1.15835141789735 45183055 | Usk Tunnel | 51.7062936021219,-2.90504544797595 61964826 | | 54.5762896013552,-1.235705706339 193407952 | Canada Walk | 51.5036782900295,-0.0172972404587782 193407945 | Cabot Place Mall | 51.5051872951751,-0.0218295105617464 114794160 | | 52.5084652626141,-1.84621281085143 193408181 | Jubilee Place | 51.5031974019129,-0.0201015112812141 134754044 | Shute Shelve Tunnel | 51.3021350162178,-2.83076681140407 5047042 | | 50.99164017676,-4.19785247551848 4936463 | Rodney Street Tunnel | 55.9613710761332,-3.19580755773181 4480861 | Easter Hailes Gate | 55.9097357925913,-3.25805128477928 5851746 | Union Canal Towpath | 55.9964141103918,-3.84109904701286 260761806 | | 51.1567897166307,-0.161756399276379 529269876 | | 53.5228326147258,-1.13846595144197 32918768 | Brinnington Tunnel | 53.422487073844,-2.13997286820498 23713330 | The Nickey Line | 51.786480084385,-0.411530089416903 32918760 | Brinnington Tunnel | 53.422487073844,-2.13997286820498 658719033 | Weedon & Leamington | 52.2749524828703,-1.17333199306992 716646846 | Newchurch Number One Tunnel | 53.6913844712736,-2.24868060585061 4786087 | Trinity Tunnel | 55.9766344933623,-3.20351671983706 35393934 | | 52.6552767669718,-1.19078033015948 310351035 | Crescent Arcade | 52.4131181835133,-1.77981042302766 193407928 | Canada Place | 51.5048927895173,-0.0190373669956461 707730950 | | 55.4278450809522,-4.63865892953942 40271398 | High Peak Trail | 53.0894133708912,-1.60473479286517 75106269 | | 52.4818549855303,-1.88177684345514 156458754 | Jubilee Walk | 52.4119856870806,-1.77802547055812 4947279 | | 55.84182196961,-3.1906450296255 320793254 | | 50.3970903900674,-4.1783167232032 615522043 | Cloisters Walk | 52.413131991593,-1.7813642389746 37393399 | | 53.4645245690108,-2.95874709498673 32539496 | | 51.8871425110212,0.899424883158466 Edit: and here's the same for mainland Europe: osm_id | name | st -----------+-------------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------- 23777729 | Plazaolako Bide Berdea - Vía Verde del Plazaola | 43.0314375010749,-1.90507114691917 237156546 | Galleria di Terres | 46.3114433667403,11.0128929018967 39328500 | | 46.9172963855994,13.3625706459832 39318012 | | 62.4758939059697,6.01178253000451 137414891 | Canale del Granduca | 43.324146306443,11.2599332881223 319845369 | Via Verde del val de Zafán | 40.9941527902742,-0.00194862551431207 236435045 | na piachy | 52.63888999847,19.3488699476709 39214876 | Galleria di Valico Caprareccia | 42.7341619902602,12.7902735617439 34655133 | Bergensbanen (nedlagt) | 60.4493162874688,5.64004960430467 250224690 | Tunnel de la Croix-Rousse | 45.7746430867638,4.81417680031629 335019002 | Kanonenbahn Radweg | 51.259503915049,10.2901572926456 330684315 | Galleria Capo Nero | 43.7982628115636,7.72732442333429 80408145 | Tunnel | 44.4480297050932,6.41050426043738 297353519 | | 60.7985449792266,7.38768902138827 304423142 | | 40.9103340547115,9.71270729227349 190296875 | Voie Verte de Bourgogne du Sud | 46.3898553647477,4.66460416140689 223002179 | | 51.6785874765669,10.3791393741249 720038603 | Tunnel du Siaix (Galerie de Sécurité) | 45.5284199975872,6.58539807158637 679135887 | Sendero de Zafra a la Puebla | 38.4095007015504,-6.40957270748775 169691195 | Hlavní štola | 49.9540675125252,14.1669397583634 334231996 | | 45.6908271092067,5.83425728389375 587290482 | | 43.5988504843418,0.61509039892354 13873046 | Galleria San Lorenzo | 43.8501891968172,7.95596398877451 153343426 | Wassererlebnisstollen (closed 2014) | 46.9576723668878,10.0562738117343 31768646 | Tunel de las Arquijas | 42.6704219046269,-2.26088574612136 263782368 | | 42.5736571208112,0.710614730954015 173121426 | Old Otford Tunnel | -34.2255362685721,150.995258514205 97205453 | Tunnel de Cap Coste | 43.9883124102512,3.69478118404089 93325064 | Ferrovia Civitavecchia - Capranica | 42.2188474991048,11.9064093857685 152798367 | Milseburgtunnel | 50.5596931915739,9.90730511019047 124759294 | Voie verte du Velay | 45.0040665882207,3.87484336234553 532226966 | | 59.6236787853829,16.2465694651676 206108134 | Tunel Sutorman | 42.1617358931532,19.101510569688 317691991 | | 48.951748580782,8.28363356164147 523228068 | | 44.0909314187945,10.1338232142557 97205490 | Ancienne ligne Tournemire - Le Vigan | 43.980143899257,3.44568536261376 518377744 | | 47.5899246156389,3.33899272581347 235142090 | Feldatalradweg | 50.6723600009721,10.1154589549025 124759292 | | 45.0079650025584,3.89267096814805 540251302 | val di sararuo | 46.4686565960992,12.408153955403 131175852 | | 28.2755496943544,-16.8299967656087 106927590 | | 46.3230365628933,7.9402102336369 227286941 | Kienbergwand Tunnel | 47.7982656100585,13.4068711540511 225991617 | Derde Heinenoordtunnel | 51.8284668079865,4.51024610714746 572151693 | Tunnel de Téterchen | 49.224849812207,6.5896510554675 27835223 | Tälligrattunnel | 46.4339365007828,8.11340164749095 288018808 | Grube Wohlfahrt Tiefer Stollen | 50.4323536690472,6.45122848552765 482168454 | | 61.91906757491,5.61701006305521 96913876 | Pista Ciclopedonale Maremonti | 44.1905052789667,9.56949247978745 554131978 | TUNEL DE VEGETACION | 36.6237738833327,-6.1806367878353 339740132 | | 38.2051428619716,16.2360410303746 82124267 | Benelux-fietstunnel | 51.8955873981805,4.37578474828447 250569240 | | 46.3965730830094,13.1946827957351 688246217 | Carril Bici de la Ronda del Tajo | 39.9538868969702,-4.80325418477668 308736225 | | 38.5248149154986,-4.43024619036256 34965466 | Karangahake Old Rail Tunnel | -37.4184208696253,175.719055042443 307956915 | | 43.529586796079,-5.76092304618007 40627414 | | 56.2732224853741,10.0586645880315 517452870 | Pista Ciclopedonale Maremonti | 44.1977495875311,9.56051417784879 287194905 | Tunnel de la Diane | 46.6553072797911,5.61338015065514 195664074 | Flotenestunnelen | 61.1826838785117,5.7988218002072 30291656 | | 47.1246449772831,12.0571180341862 4294224 | Tunnel des Tuileries | 48.8612791882292,2.3290500895434 486846507 | | 61.1984099712335,24.1616820274076 Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: grahame on May 04, 2020, 13:28:50 And if you want to go by train, your nearest stations from the listed portals are:
133608113 | Netherton Tunnel | 52.5152781690595,-2.04937184292066 | Dudley Port, about 0.7 miles away 39040589 | Combe Down Tunnel | 51.3681983781915,-2.35529643669411 | Bath Spa, about 0.7 miles away 33611797 | Clyde Tunnel | 55.8634972938996,-4.33203571596951 | Cardonald, about 0.9 miles away 22752445 | Clyde Tunnel | 55.8727455000021,-4.32915221373901 | Jordanhill, about 0.7 miles away 5851753 | Union Canal Towpath | 55.9855975010952,-3.79048059772024 | Falkirk High, about 0.5 miles away 291440634 | Neidpath Tunnel | 55.6496560886489,-3.21872609591249 | Curriehill, about 19.5 miles away 23746120 | The Innocent Railway | 55.9414423760123,-3.17222004415904 | Edinburgh, about 1.1 miles away 116465142 | Headstone Tunnel | 53.239291801405,-1.71934050934021 | Grindleford, about 6.8 miles away 116465141 | Litton Tunnel | 53.2528644658755,-1.75890168563214 | Hope (Derbyshire), about 7.1 miles away 4761318 | Kelmarsh Tunnel | 52.4102278161683,-0.898838013783351 | Market Harborough, about 5.3 miles away 84009097 | Bristol & Bath Railway Path | 51.4791902759159,-2.51124019709307 | Stapleton Road, about 2.9 miles away 116465140 | Cressbrook Tunnel | 53.2501780007063,-1.74993892454789 | Hope (Derbyshire), about 7.3 miles away 39042117 | Devonshire Tunnel | 51.3704367088161,-2.36886045849514 | Bath Spa, about 0.8 miles away 34082919 | Oxendon Tunnel | 52.4447786070354,-0.914354523854419 | Market Harborough, about 2.7 miles away 32148450 | | 53.3458898943676,-2.28752312991524 | Manchester Airport, about 1.6 miles away 23909292 | Tissington Trail | 53.0190096742621,-1.73904819920087 | Uttoxeter, about 10.9 miles away 80133744 | | 53.3490348924332,-2.29018870085781 | Manchester Airport, about 1.5 miles away 313503674 | Ballyvoyle Tunnel | 52.1208235823957,-7.5060521212022 | Fishguard Harbour, about 126.3 miles away 10961761 | Chee Tor Tunnel | 53.2551068020147,-1.81320834798677 | Buxton, about 5.0 miles away 37851028 | Pedestrian Tunnel | 54.9886091752523,-1.4874829090577 | Heworth, about 4.4 miles away 258351780 | Grenofen Tunnel - Drake's Trail | 50.5222950142092,-4.12552902216249 | Calstock, about 4.6 miles away 267886123 | Founder's Steam Tunnel | 51.4248219824844,-0.567808202764608 | Egham, about 1.1 miles away 427178925 | Thurgoland Tunnel | 53.5019329989394,-1.57575451297877 | Silkstone Common, about 2.6 miles away 716821591 | Newchurch Number Two Tunnel | 53.6906574853615,-2.24511366535196 | Walsden, about 7.0 miles away 279514322 | | 53.1902800959151,-4.0812133325663 | Bangor (Gwynedd), about 3.6 miles away 39333786 | Shaugh Tunnel | 50.45751479025,-4.07217430451444 | Bere Ferrers, about 5.5 miles away 36918977 | Dewsbury-Ossett Greenway | 53.6835395733188,-1.61335358902713 | Dewsbury, about 1.2 miles away 61793295 | | 53.8690142677489,-1.6675908116103 | Guiseley, about 2.4 miles away 80133738 | | 53.3452006097004,-2.28598611246411 | Manchester Airport, about 1.6 miles away 32148452 | | 53.3437832857133,-2.28334174176225 | Manchester Airport, about 1.7 miles away 608423645 | | 51.5232042663988,0.0342125172587488 | West Ham, about 1.5 miles away 323827846 | | 52.2653715698004,-1.15835141789735 | Long Buckby, about 4.2 miles away 45183055 | Usk Tunnel | 51.7062936021219,-2.90504544797595 | Pontypool and New Inn, about 5.5 miles away 61964826 | | 54.5762896013552,-1.235705706339 | Middlesbrough, about 0.2 miles away 193407952 | Canada Walk | 51.5036782900295,-0.0172972404587782 | Limehouse, about 1.3 miles away 193407945 | Cabot Place Mall | 51.5051872951751,-0.0218295105617464 | Limehouse, about 1.0 miles away 114794160 | | 52.5084652626141,-1.84621281085143 | Gravelly Hill, about 0.6 miles away 193408181 | Jubilee Place | 51.5031974019129,-0.0201015112812141 | Limehouse, about 1.2 miles away 134754044 | Shute Shelve Tunnel | 51.3021350162178,-2.83076681140407 | Worle, about 5.8 miles away 5047042 | | 50.99164017676,-4.19785247551848 | Chapelton, about 8.9 miles away 4936463 | Rodney Street Tunnel | 55.9613710761332,-3.19580755773181 | Edinburgh, about 0.8 miles away 4480861 | Easter Hailes Gate | 55.9097357925913,-3.25805128477928 | Kingsknowe, about 0.8 miles away 5851746 | Union Canal Towpath | 55.9964141103918,-3.84109904701286 | Camelon, about 1.4 miles away 260761806 | | 51.1567897166307,-0.161756399276379 | Gatwick Airport, about 0.0 miles away 529269876 | | 53.5228326147258,-1.13846595144197 | Doncaster, about 0.1 miles away 32918768 | Brinnington Tunnel | 53.422487073844,-2.13997286820498 | Brinnington, about 0.8 miles away 23713330 | The Nickey Line | 51.786480084385,-0.411530089416903 | Harpenden, about 3.7 miles away 32918760 | Brinnington Tunnel | 53.422487073844,-2.13997286820498 | Brinnington, about 0.8 miles away 658719033 | Weedon & Leamington | 52.2749524828703,-1.17333199306992 | Long Buckby, about 4.6 miles away 716646846 | Newchurch Number One Tunnel | 53.6913844712736,-2.24868060585061 | Burnley Manchester Road, about 7.0 miles away 4786087 | Trinity Tunnel | 55.9766344933623,-3.20351671983706 | Edinburgh, about 2.0 miles away 35393934 | | 52.6552767669718,-1.19078033015948 | Leicester, about 3.7 miles away 310351035 | Crescent Arcade | 52.4131181835133,-1.77981042302766 | Solihull, about 0.4 miles away 193407928 | Canada Place | 51.5048927895173,-0.0190373669956461 | Limehouse, about 1.2 miles away 707730950 | | 55.4278450809522,-4.63865892953942 | Ayr, about 2.4 miles away 40271398 | High Peak Trail | 53.0894133708912,-1.60473479286517 | Cromford, about 3.3 miles away 75106269 | | 52.4818549855303,-1.88177684345514 | Birmingham Moor Street, about 0.6 miles away 156458754 | Jubilee Walk | 52.4119856870806,-1.77802547055812 | Solihull, about 0.5 miles away 4947279 | | 55.84182196961,-3.1906450296255 | Slateford, about 6.9 miles away 320793254 | | 50.3970903900674,-4.1783167232032 | St.Budeaux Ferry Road, about 0.5 miles away 615522043 | Cloisters Walk | 52.413131991593,-1.7813642389746 | Solihull, about 0.4 miles away 37393399 | | 53.4645245690108,-2.95874709498673 | Orrell Park, about 0.3 miles away 32539496 | | 51.8871425110212,0.899424883158466 | Colchester Town, about 0.2 miles away Beware old data and automation - some of the listed tunnels in East London are nearer to stations which have been transferred to Network Rail in recent years, and some suggestions have minor issues if you try to get from the station to the tunnel - like a thumping great river in between. Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: JontyMort on May 04, 2020, 20:02:59 Went through Netherton tunnel in 1994 by boat. Quite an experience. Presumably if the towpath is now a cycle route they have installed lighting. I would not fancy cycling the 9081ft in the dark adjacent to water Netherton has a towing path both sides - a real M6 of a tunnel. However, the towing paths are far from perfect - potholed. So you’d be brave to bike through. My son walked it when I went through by boat. Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: froome on May 04, 2020, 20:12:20 Not that I am aware of. Might be worth having a rummage through sites like http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/tunnels/database/index.html (http://www.forgottenrelics.co.uk/tunnels/database/index.html). An enjoyable diversion for whatever reason. There were also plans by the South Downs National Park to re-open the tunnels on the line north from Chichester for walking and cycling to make a connection to the South Downs Way. Singleton and Cocking Tunnels first, but the first problem is bats. There are bats living in the Combe Down tunnel on the Two Tunnels Path in Bath. Part of the agreement to reopen the tunnel for cyclists and pedestrians was to provide a suitable home for the bats within the tunnel entrances. I don't know the details of the home, but do know it took some time, possibly several years, to agree a design that it was felt would work. As far as I know, it does. Title: Re: Merthyr Tydfil and Aberdare - old tunnel as cycle path? Post by: welshman on May 05, 2020, 20:39:04 Here's a 2018 press article (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/incredible-pictures-inside-second-disused-14906344)on the Abernant Tunnel with some quite good photos showing the brickwork appears in good condition.
And there's a 2011 YouTube video walk-through (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNUoT1jNjI8) with very wobbly camera. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |