Title: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: grahame on March 17, 2020, 05:48:40 When a public right of way crosses a station ... the old and the new way of doing it
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/vto6.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/row_wop.jpg) I find myself wondering at just how many pedestrians use that brand new bridge each day. Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: CyclingSid on March 17, 2020, 07:06:55 As I cycle between the Cow Lane bridges in Reading, on the Tilehurst Triangle NR site there are various sets of green steps for new bridges. Plans cut short, or emergency stock?
Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: grahame on March 17, 2020, 07:45:10 As I cycle between the Cow Lane bridges in Reading, on the Tilehurst Triangle NR site there are various sets of green steps for new bridges. Plans cut short, or emergency stock? Ssshhhh - don't tell the people of Pilning! Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: TonyN on March 17, 2020, 08:53:36 One of them will be the Footbridge originaly intended for Reading west. This was not installed for reasons unknown to me but someone on the forum may be able to answer.
It is now intended to use the footbridge at Pershore subject to ORR approval. This will allow access to the new car park on the north side of the line. Approval is needed because the bridge does not include disabled access. It is intended to use the existing car park on the same side as the platform as a disabled car park. Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Marlburian on March 17, 2020, 10:38:39 When I saw the thread title, I immediately thought of the footbridge at Patney & Chirton station, near Devizes - and Grahame's first image was of it! I suspect that it may have had some justification when the station was used by troops de- and en-training for manoeuvres on Salisbury Plain. The right of way merely cuts off the "dog's leg" over the road bridge.
There's a similar situation just west of the site of Uffington Station. I used it last summer on a walk, having dithered about how to access it through Moor Hill Farm. There was a wonky "public footpath" sign on the roadside, but it wasn't clear how to find one's way through the farm buildings. There's also an elaborate bridge over the M4 just north of Theale, which I use occasionally to get to Englefield (but not at the moment - the approach from Tilehurst is sometimes waterlogged.) On either side the footway has several spirals, and I am not alone in wondering why steps would not suffice. It's too narrow for farm vehicles except those over-sized go-kart thingies. Possibly the aim is to make life easier for horses? Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Reading General on March 17, 2020, 20:52:42 There's also an elaborate bridge over the M4 just north of Theale, which I use occasionally to get to Englefield (but not at the moment - the approach from Tilehurst is sometimes waterlogged.) On either side the footway has several spirals, and I am not alone in wondering why steps would not suffice. It's too narrow for farm vehicles except those over-sized go-kart thingies. Possibly the aim is to make life easier for horses? There is a public right of way across a closed and track lifted station, on the Diddy, Newbury and Southampton at Compton. The path runs straight onto the platform and across what was the tracks, which is now filled in and a lawn. I believe a footbridge was provided here because of the public right of way rather than to access the opposite platform and I've a feeling it survived quite a long time beyond the line being lifted. Certainly the first time I discovered Compton station (and the rest of the line between Didcot and Newbury) as a teenager in the late 80's, Compton station was all but complete except for tracks. I cannot recall if the footbridge was still there though for some reason. Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: eightonedee on March 17, 2020, 22:16:15 Quote Certainly the first time I discovered Compton station (and the rest of the line between Didcot and Newbury) as a teenager in the late 80's, Compton station was all but complete except for tracks. I cannot recall if the footbridge was still there though for some reason. {like} My recollection from starting to use it as the starting point of walks up the track bed all the way to Lower Chance at Churn (long since rendered impossible by growth of vegetation) in the late 1970s is that there was no footbridge by that time. Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Reading General on March 17, 2020, 23:06:37 Quote Certainly the first time I discovered Compton station (and the rest of the line between Didcot and Newbury) as a teenager in the late 80's, Compton station was all but complete except for tracks. I cannot recall if the footbridge was still there though for some reason. Probably why I don’t remember it then. I’m sure I’ve seen a colour photo of the footbridge in place but the line long gone. {like} My recollection from starting to use it as the starting point of walks up the track bed all the way to Lower Chance at Churn (long since rendered impossible by growth of vegetation) in the late 1970s is that there was no footbridge by that time. We also walked sections of it that way, all the way up to the platform at Churn ( still traceable a few years back) and along the Chilton cutting, large parts of which are now filled in! Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 17, 2020, 23:32:36 I'm rather fond of the footbridge on or near Ram Hill or Coalpit Heath station.
Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: grahame on March 18, 2020, 05:08:18 Fron the Gazette and Herald (https://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/11874351.video-stunning-footage-shows-how-network-rails-orange-army-replaced-corsham-footbridge/) (5 years ago) - another footbridge over a station site being replaced - essential work for electrification that has itself proven to be less than essential to complete.
Quote NETWORK Rail’s ‘orange army’ replaced a footbridge in Corsham at the weekend, using a 500-tonne crane to lift the new bridge over a block of flats and into position. And this time-lapse photography was used to create this stunning video, showing what happened and the scale of the project. The replacement of the footbridge between The Cleeve and Pound Mead is an essential part of Network Rail’s £7.5bn Great Western Electrification Programme. The new bridge is higher, creating the additional space needed for the overhead wires that will power a new fleet of electric trains to run underneath. These trains are longer, faster, quieter and greener, benefitting passengers and those who live close to the railway line. There's also the public footbridge over Chippenham Station - another fine example of a public right of way across a station, renewed 2015 for opening 2016. Trains don't run on electricity under that one yet, either. Do I recall comment that Sheffield station is / was unbarriered because of a pubic right of way over the station footbridge? Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: eightonedee on March 18, 2020, 18:30:14 Quote Do I recall comment that Sheffield station is / was unbarriered because of a pubic right of way over the station footbridge? How quickly we forget.... Prior to its reconstruction, Reading had the bizarre barrier splitting the footbridge from the car park across the station into two "lanes"- one side behind the gate line, the other open to public access. Not sure if it was formally a public right of way on the open side, but it was open to all. Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: stuving on March 18, 2020, 18:45:08 Quote Do I recall comment that Sheffield station is / was unbarriered because of a pubic right of way over the station footbridge? How quickly we forget.... Prior to its reconstruction, Reading had the bizarre barrier splitting the footbridge from the car park across the station into two "lanes"- one side behind the gate line, the other open to public access. Not sure if it was formally a public right of way on the open side, but it was open to all. The wall dividing the footbridge is fairly new - before that it was all open to passengers and passers-through. It was installing gatelines around the whole station that meant the wall was needed, of course, and no I can't remember when that was (but less than 20 years ago). Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: eightonedee on March 18, 2020, 18:53:07 Thanks Stuving - as I peer back into the recesses of my memory, might I be imagining that before the 1980s works to the station you could get all the way under the station from the old bus station under the Top Rank to the north side of the station behind the signal works? Was the "new" 1980s footbridge a diverted right of way when the northern end of the old underpass was closed (and, in due course, the tunnel under Station Hill)?
Reading local historians out there - can you help please? Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: stuving on March 18, 2020, 19:05:08 There's a whole load of different approaches to this. Guildford's internal footbridge climbs a slope and then steps to the hillside on the west, with a station entrance for the side of town near the University and cathedral. Both entrances have barriers, and I think they still used a pass system - ask for one on entry, and hand it in on exit, or maybe regulars get a permanent one. I've never had call to use it.
That crosses the sidings as well as the station, so is quite long: well over 100 m. There's an even longer one at Earley, which isn't quite over the station but also crosses the A3290 (a "motorway") and two strips of land next to it. It provides access for Woodley, and I used it a couple of times, but its northern entrance is awkwardly placed for Woodley Centre, since there would only be a direct walking route if it wasn't for the houses in between. Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Reading General on March 18, 2020, 21:44:52 Thanks Stuving - as I peer back into the recesses of my memory, might I be imagining that before the 1980s works to the station you could get all the way under the station from the old bus station under the Top Rank to the north side of the station behind the signal works? Was the "new" 1980s footbridge a diverted right of way when the northern end of the old underpass was closed (and, in due course, the tunnel under Station Hill)? Reading local historians out there - can you help please? As I recall from the early 90's, after the rebuild you could still walk from the bus station under the platforms to the signal works side, Subway Road, this was of course the Royal Mail delivery office by then. The bus station end was a separate tunnel entered from the station subway through a pair of plain doors with no windows in them. Once inside this tunnel and the door closed behind you, you would move pretty quickly as it wasn't a very pleasant place to hang around with no natural light. Once the bus station stopped being used (a year or so after Reading Transport took over the remaining Beeline bus routes) that entrance was closed but you could still enter the double level underground car park where Reading's homeless community of that period lived, this was via the tunnel that used to go to the bus station but was now eerily dark at one end and you would move even quicker. At the signal works end of the subway, you could also turn right towards the multi-storey car park, following a narrow passage past the panel box and down a metal staircase that was immediately under the 80's rebuild footbridge, a seldom used route by many. When the barriers arrived, the car park entrance, the two street stair entrances on either side of Station Approach and the Subway Road entrance were closed up, a set of fire exit doors ended either end of the subway. Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Marlburian on March 20, 2020, 03:11:03 Not a public right-of-way, but perhaps used by people not catching a train: yesterday evening I had to get from Bath Road in Reading to Oxford Road and "followed my nose". When I reached Tilehurst Road and the railway bridge, I noticed a path signposted "Reading West Station" and went down it. It led me on to the south end of the station platform, along which I walked the entire length, to exit at the north end onto Oxford Road, conveniently close to a bus stop.
Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Oxonhutch on March 20, 2020, 06:34:36 I have heard it said - on here I believe - that there is a public right of way at Paddington from Praed Street through to Bishop's Road, and that this is why Platforms 8 and 9 are not barriered to accommodate this right.
Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: grahame on March 20, 2020, 06:53:56 I seem to recall waiting for a train at Fenny Stratford and seeing quite a number of people passing by ... whether a public right of way or something that has simply come into common use, I know not. From WikiPedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenny_Stratford_railway_station)
Quote The station can be accessed from both Watling Street (via steps at Stag bridge) and Simpson Road (which is at grade), to the east and west of the station respectively Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Reading General on March 20, 2020, 07:56:57 Not a public right-of-way, but perhaps used by people not catching a train: yesterday evening I had to get from Bath Road in Reading to Oxford Road and "followed my nose". When I reached Tilehurst Road and the railway bridge, I noticed a path signposted "Reading West Station" and went down it. It led me on to the south end of the station platform, along which I walked the entire length, to exit at the north end onto Oxford Road, conveniently close to a bus stop. It's used by people to do all sorts that path Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: Marlburian on March 20, 2020, 12:10:01 Looking at a street map when I got home, it did seem quite a direct route compared with using nearby streets.
Title: Re: Public rights of way across stations [Discussion of the day (DotD) - 17.3.2020] Post by: stuving on March 20, 2020, 14:00:20 Looking at a street map when I got home, it did seem quite a direct route compared with using nearby streets. Depends where you're going, and whence. It is of course the (only) step-free access at RDW: Quote Step free access note Tilehust Road Station entrance - Step free access to Basingstoke / Newbury platform. Oxford Road entrance - access to Reading platform via ramp (approx 1:9) and four steps. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |