Title: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: tramway on February 26, 2008, 08:53:48 This was announced on Radio 4 this morning, rumours appear to be correct.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7264262.stm Quote First Great Western is to pay for more trains and better passenger compensation after poor service on lines to Wales and the West Country. The Swindon-based train operator agreed the ^29m investment package after discussions with the government. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: miniman on February 26, 2008, 09:04:21 Quote First Great Western is to pay for more trains Arriving at a station somewhere between Portsmouth and Cardiff soon: (http://neil.fraser.name/writing/bridges/photos/isle5.jpg) Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 09:05:42 Official press release from FGW (link below) :
http://www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk/Content.aspx?id=95 Quote Message from Andrew Haines, Chief Operating Officer, First Great Western (0800 Tuesday 26 February 2008): First Great Western (FGW) has announced a comprehensive investment package designed to improve the performance of its services. The ^29m plan has been put together to address poor performance, particularly in relation to cancellations and the subsequent contravention of our Franchise Agreement. We know our performance has fallen short of our own standards and the expectation of our passengers. We are committed to take the action needed to minimise cancellations and delays. In discussions with the Department for Transport, we have offered additional investments to enhance our service to passengers, and put measures in place to improve operational performance. A further commitment has been made to increase the amount of compensation available under the Passenger^s Charter by 50 per cent for claims arising between 27 January 2009 and 26 January 2010. This is in addition to the doubling of the amount of compensation available to customers during 2008, announced in January. The package will fund an increase in capacity on some of the company^s busiest services. This includes leasing five additional Class 150 units to release Class 158 trains to strengthen the Cardiff-Portsmouth service from May 2008, which will increase capacity by 40% on most services on this route. The plan will also extend our commitment to a light refresh of the London and Thames Valley regional train fleet. A total of ^6.1m will now be invested, including ^1.1m already committed. We will recruit new drivers, guards and technicians, to improve customer service and reliability. Also, as part of the plan, more money will be spent to improve our Customer Information System (CIS) at stations providing extra ability to keep customers up-to-date in times of disruption. We are already investing more than any other train operator - ^200m over the life of the First Great Western franchise. The additional ^29m investment package will be spent where it is most needed ^ on extra resources, more rolling stock and improved customer service. Combined with the new senior management team we now have in place, this investment in comprehensive and robust passenger benefits is a fundamental change in the way we do business. It represents a fresh start for First Great Western and we want to be judged on our results. At-a-glance guide to extra investment package Increasing rolling stock by leasing five additional Class 150 units to release Class 158 units for use in strengthening the Cardiff-Portsmouth service from May 2008 which will increase capacity by 40% on most services on this route. A further ^7m investment to enhance our Customer Information System (CIS) at stations. This will bring our total investment in CIS to ^15 million and provide improved consistency of systems, coverage of more stations and a greater capacity to provide information during times of disruption. A further commitment has been made to increase the amount of compensation available under the Passenger^s Charter by 50 per cent for claims arising between 27 January 2009 and 26 January 2010. This is in addition to the doubling of the amount of compensation available to customers during 2008, announced in January. Additional investment of ^5m on improvements to the London and Thames Valley fleet. A total of ^6.1m will be invested in the London and Thames Valley fleet, including ^1.1m already committed. The provision of an additional 500,000 FGW tickets at the most discounted rates to popular destinations for off peak travel. We will actively participate in the study and development of fares simplification proposals involving single journey pricing. A ^4m enhanced customer service training package for FGW^s passenger facing employees. In addition, we have developed and agreed a comprehensive plan to improve performance and minimise delays and cancellations, including: Recruit new drivers, guards and technicians to improve customer service and reliability. In addition, we have established a new performance directorate to improve management of disruption alongside Network Rail. A package of additional fleet and depot improvements to enhance reliability. In addition, to ensure resilient operating performance, we will provide an additional High Speed Train in April 2009. Hats off to vacman for the prediction, good news for FGW & its passengers and bad news for Wales by the look of it. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 09:48:44 More on the announced Thames Turbo refurb, and the news of an additional High Speed Train (link below.)
http://www.oxfordmail.net/display.var.2072806.0.29m_upgrade_from_first_great_western.php Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: mada on February 26, 2008, 11:12:10 Excellent... although when I read the headline I thought they'd put in an order for some 172's! (Chiltern recently ordered a few piggy backing on the existing bulk order) I take it the Welsh will now take the 180's!
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: polonia on February 26, 2008, 13:29:58 Interesting the way this is being spun, read the BBC and FGW sites you'd almost think FGW were doing this out of the goodness of their heart rather than as a last ditch attempt to save the franchise in response to the DFT-mandated Remedial Plan Notice and Breach Notice for exceeding the threshold on cancellations in the second half of last year and then misreporting the cancellation rate (although FGW claim this was more "cock-up" than "conspiracy" .
Still, that isn't to say that this is welcome news...lets hope Andrew Haines seizes the opportunity to demonstrate he can deliver what his predecessors have failed to. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 13:48:11 Interesting the way this is being spun, read the BBC and FGW sites you'd almost think FGW were doing this out of the goodness of their heart rather than as a last ditch attempt to save the franchise in response to the DFT-mandated Remedial Plan Notice and Breach Notice for exceeding the threshold on cancellations in the second half of last year and then misreporting the cancellation rate (although FGW claim this was more "cock-up" than "conspiracy" . Still, that isn't to say that this is welcome news...lets hope Andrew Haines seizes the opportunity to demonstrate he can deliver what his predecessors have failed to. The Guardian takes a similar line on this, with Ruth Kelly claiming that she imposed the package on FGW (thanks to mojo for the link) : http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2008/feb/26/firstgroupbusiness.travelleisure Quote from: The Guardian Britain's least popular rail service, First Great Western, is close to being stripped of its franchise after it misled the public over service standards. Transport secretary Ruth Kelly today ordered FGW to buy more carriages, increase passenger compensation payments and hire more staff or else the franchise will be terminated. The Department for Transport found that FGW, voted the worst service in Britain last month, misled passengers by under-reporting the number of service cancellations last year. "First Great Western has breached its franchise agreement by exceeding the limits on cancellations, and also by misreporting those cancellations," she said. FGW's reputation among passengers and ministers has reached a nadir after the company admitted that it had miscalculated the number of train cancellations between August and December last year. After blowing the whistle on the error, FGW subsequently accepted that it had breached the cancellation threshold in its contract. Kelly effectively issued a yellow card to FGW, saying that failure to comply with a series of service changes worth ^29m "could lead to the Government terminating First Great Western's franchise". She added that instead of fining the franchise, which operates throughout the west country as well as the London-to-Cardiff route, she had imposed an improvements package including higher compensation for commuters affected by endemic punctuality problems. "Any penalty would be paid to central Government. Having considered this carefully, and given that a penalty would not, itself, help passengers, I have opted instead for passengers to receive a better benefits package," she said. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: DanielP on February 26, 2008, 13:56:45 But, FGW were forced into that level of service by the terms of the franchise!!!!!
Good lord! Someone needs a kick here!! Daniel Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 14:07:15 But, FGW were forced into that level of service by the terms of the franchise!!!!! Good lord! Someone needs a kick here!! Daniel ...which they bid for and agreed to, making some cuts above and beyond what they had to do (see Insider link below.) http://indefenceoffirstgreatwestern.blogspot.com/2007/11/answering-some-questions.html But I agree that this is getting silly, and a charitable analysis would be that we are in uncharted territory here. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Timmer on February 26, 2008, 14:13:12 Excellent news! At last some good news for FGW's long suffering passengers.
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 14:19:17 Watch out for an interview with Charles Howeson tomorrow....
http://thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=181429&command=displayContent&sourceNode=229968&home=yes&more_nodeId1=133174&contentPK=19989562 Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: swlines on February 26, 2008, 14:21:09 I'm not convinced one bit ...
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: tramway on February 26, 2008, 14:21:21 Don't suppose that we'll ever find out if Moir had an invitation to beer and sandwiches at No 10. in the past 6 months
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 14:26:24 Don't suppose that we'll ever find out if Moir had an invitation to beer and sandwiches at No 10. in the past 6 months No idea...but i've got a quote (link below) : http://thisisbath.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=180730&command=displayContent&sourceNode=232315&home=yes&more_nodeId1=163047&contentPK=19987741 Quote from: Moir Lockhead Today's announcement demonstrates our commitment to improving performance and customer service in our FGW franchise. We have already put in place actions to address performance at FGW. We are encouraged that during January, performance improved and cancellations were at their lowest level for 18 months and this trend has continued during February. We are committed to the long-term development of railways in the UK and look forward to sustained performance improvements at FGW in line with our other three rail franchises. Quote from Bath MP Don Foster : Quote from: Don Foster "First Great Western services have been a disgrace in recent months and the Government is right to take action. The company can in fact think itself fortunate that it has not had its franchise removed entirely, particularly as it has now admitted to misreporting figures. "The remedial plan which has been agreed with the Government represents a final warning for the company and any breach of this will qualify as a default and the contract will indeed be terminated. "I welcome the passenger benefits included in this package. But the company must now deliver on these promised improvements. They have a last chance to get it right." Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: grahame on February 26, 2008, 14:55:56 Quote from: Moir Lockhead Today's announcement demonstrates our commitment to improving performance and customer service in our FGW franchise. We have already put in place actions to address performance at FGW. We are encouraged that during January, performance improved and cancellations were at their lowest level for 18 months and this trend has continued during February. We are committed to the long-term development of railways in the UK and look forward to sustained performance improvements at FGW in line with our other three rail franchises. Indeed they have improved - for the first time since I started monitoring late last year, my moving performance average showing the percentage of train calling at all stations they are supposed to went over 99 for the first time last week. And my system is very generous to the TOC, not counting planned cancellations that are notified well ahead and failing to capture all short term cancellations too, I suspect. But "better" does not mean "good" necessarily. Current figures can be seen at: http://www.savethetrain.org.uk/running.php and (just before I wrote this reply) I note we were back down to only 94.81% of trains calling at all scheduled stations. There were some exceptional circumstances yesterday, but I though the idea was that these balance out and at times of "no unusual problem" the figure should be more like 99.8% Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 14:58:37 More article links.
http://thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=145365&command=displayContent&sourceNode=145191&contentPK=19989803&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922 http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/news_article.php?section=5&category=169&story=5681 Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Shazz on February 26, 2008, 15:08:46 Excellent... although when I read the headline I thought they'd put in an order for some 172's! (Chiltern recently ordered a few piggy backing on the existing bulk order) I take it the Welsh will now take the 180's! as said on a previous thread, ATW have said its to much coin for them to take on the 180's It however doesnt mean that the WAG wont fund the lease on them, but i havnt hear anything about the 180's from down the bay as of yet. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: gaf71 on February 26, 2008, 15:23:06 Excellent news! At last some good news for FGW's long suffering passengers. And employees! ;)Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: 12hoursunday on February 26, 2008, 15:34:19 Quote from: Don Foster "The remedial plan which has been agreed with the Government represents a final warning for the company and any breach of this will qualify as a default and the contract will indeed be terminated. "I welcome the passenger benefits included in this package. But the company must now deliver on these promised improvements. They have a last chance to get it right." So our R.H MP for Bath and others (MTLS group and the rest of 'em) says the above but does he/they really know what would happen if First was to lose the GW franchise 1)For a start First own some of the HSTs. They would use these on their other Franchises or hire them out to the highest bidder so there would be (I think) in the region of 10 power cars & 40 coaches short for the next lot. 2)Premiums payable to government, First overbid for the job of running trains down this part of the world so that would cost a Government who are mad on money. (smaller premiums from a new operator). 3)Firstgroup have invested in trains, depots, stations and staff and will want rightly so recompense for this and any investments not already carried out would be stopped forthwith. All said and done you won't see the sort of investment from the likes of Arriva as they still have 158's with the flea-bitten carpets and seats fitted by Wales & West Railways 10 years ago! The removal of this franchise from First would cost the Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: tramway on February 26, 2008, 15:36:46 Excellent news! At last some good news for FGW's long suffering passengers. And employees! ;)The 150/1 drivers get issued with skiing gloves. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Shazz on February 26, 2008, 15:37:44 1)For a start First own some of the HSTs. They would use these on their other Franchises or hire them out to the highest bidder so there would be (I think) in the region of 10 power cars & 40 coaches short for the next lot. they own 6 full sets Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: vacman on February 26, 2008, 15:39:42 Excellent news! At last some good news for FGW's long suffering passengers. And employees! ;)The 150/1 drivers get issued with skiing gloves. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: devon_metro on February 26, 2008, 16:24:12 Sense finally prevails...
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: TerminalJunkie on February 26, 2008, 16:43:18 Quote from: 12hoursunday So our R.H MP for Bath [...] He's not a member of the Privy Council, so he's just plain MP for Bath. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: smokey on February 26, 2008, 16:53:50 You have to give Vacman credit, He said these extra carriages were coming.
DfT giving stick to FGW for it's failures is also great, the main problem with FGW is the service levels and payments for the franchise, which whilst FGW blame the DfT, it's FGW that agreed to such a crazy franchise agreement. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: 12hoursunday on February 26, 2008, 17:46:14 Quote from: 12hoursunday So our R.H MP for Bath [...] He's not a member of the Privy Council, so he's just plain MP for Bath. Whoops Oh Ah! ;D Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: swlines on February 26, 2008, 18:35:29 The stock market statement by the DfT is available here: http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/passenger/franchises/improveperffgw
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Timmer on February 26, 2008, 20:27:01 Also worth reading the statement made by Ruth Kelly to the House of Commons which goes into much more detail about why a remediel plan notice has been issued:
http://www.dft.gov.uk/press/speechesstatements/statements/wmsfgwfranchise I have to ask the question had FGW not been in breach of its franchise (for cancellations) and not hauled up before the transport secretary, would we have seen the ^29 million action plan which includes the extra carriages for the Cardiff-Portsmouth line? Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Ollie on February 26, 2008, 20:43:17 I would sort of say half n half, we know they are already recruiting drivers and guards.
And the additional 150's and keeping 3x 180 has been rumoured for ages. So maybe lean towards a yes on that. I think Andrew Haines recognises that the franchise is under performing, obviously. I think if anyone can bring it back to standard, he can. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Timmer on February 26, 2008, 21:05:34 I would sort of say half n half, we know they are already recruiting drivers and guards. I am in no doubt that he can too. Now FGW have had their knuckles wrapped by the government, with a bit of humiliation thrown in as well, they can get on and sort things out which has already started. First have put more money in the pot so Andrew Haines has got something to work with. What will also help is the completion of the 'West' fleet refresh later this year with the units that have been done looking pretty good both inside and out.And the additional 150's and keeping 3x 180 has been rumoured for ages. So maybe lean towards a yes on that. I think Andrew Haines recognises that the franchise is under performing, obviously. I think if anyone can bring it back to standard, he can. I don't think that the Cardiff-Portsmouth line has had so much national attention as it has done today but its good that this line is at last getting some investment that it so deserves. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: vacman on February 26, 2008, 21:08:57 I have to ask the question had FGW not been in breach of its franchise (for cancellations) and not hauled up before the transport secretary, would we have seen the ^29 million action plan which includes the extra carriages for the Cardiff-Portsmouth line? Who cares!! all that matters is that it's happening!Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 22:59:49 The view from the I Hate First Great Western blog (link below.)
http://ihatefirstgreatwestern.blogspot.com/2008/02/half-cheer.html Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: west49th on February 26, 2008, 23:01:31 I would sort of say half n half, we know they are already recruiting drivers and guards. I am in no doubt that he can too. Now FGW have had their knuckles wrapped by the government, with a bit of humiliation thrown in as well, they can get on and sort things out which has already started. First have put more money in the pot so Andrew Haines has got something to work with. What will also help is the completion of the 'West' fleet refresh later this year with the units that have been done looking pretty good both inside and out.And the additional 150's and keeping 3x 180 has been rumoured for ages. So maybe lean towards a yes on that. I think Andrew Haines recognises that the franchise is under performing, obviously. I think if anyone can bring it back to standard, he can. I don't think that the Cardiff-Portsmouth line has had so much national attention as it has done today but its good that this line is at last getting some investment that it so deserves. Well I'm amazed you're all so optimistic about this. First, the governent is actively briefing against FGW. Second, the new stock will only benefit passengers on Cardiff-Portsmouth. Third, there'sa nasty little insinuation in the ^4m staff training initiative that the problems have lain with the staff. They haven't. They've been the fault of greedy management. Fourth, the pricing initiative is a con, as it is about attracting incremental business, as opposed to looking after regular (captive) customers. Fifth, no-one wants higher levels of compensation. They want a reliable service that is good value. that's where the money should go. What's happening here is not Haines' fault. But it certainly is Lockhead's. And he continues to pull the strings. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 23:04:15 Welcome to the forum, west49th.
The view from the I Work For FGW blog (link below.) http://www.iworkforfgw.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=50&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: west49th on February 26, 2008, 23:10:00 Thanks. I'll try to get the formatting right next time!
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 26, 2008, 23:39:41 And now for the MTLS view......
http://mtls.org.uk/node/75 Further links. http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/firstgroup_may_lose_first_grea.html#more http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/rmt_parliamentary_group_says_p.html#more http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/franchising_is_the_problem_tim.html#more http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/display.var.2074430.0.train_company_issued_with_notice.php http://www.oxfordmail.net/display.var.2075192.0.rail_firm_gets_warning_signal.php Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: smokey on February 27, 2008, 09:44:04 I have to ask the question had FGW not been in breach of its franchise (for cancellations) and not hauled up before the transport secretary, would we have seen the ^29 million action plan which includes the extra carriages for the Cardiff-Portsmouth line? My question is WHO's going to pay that extra ^29 million, not the DfT, not First group but my guess the fare paying passenger. I just hope that the extra seats on the Cardiff-Portsmouth line brings in extra passengers to pay the ^29m, but then enough extra Passengers and you're back to square one with crowded trains. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 27, 2008, 15:37:54 A report on the anger in Wales at the rolling stock redeployment (link below.)
http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/anger_as_valleys_rail_coaches.html#more WAG appear to be trying to contain this by emphasising that "the lease of the five train units was a ^short term^ measure that would benefit many of FGW^s customers in Wales." Interesting quote : Quote from: Western Mail A Department for Transport spokeswoman said the five Sprinter units would be sub-leased from Arriva Trains Wales to FGW. Asked if the DfT was involved in this change, she said, ^I think the answer is probably no.^ She said it was a matter for the WAG and FGW. An FGW spokesman said, ^I can^t provide you with any detail on that. It^s not going to be in the public domain.^ Quote from the South East Wales Transport Alliance : Quote from: SEWTA ^We^re concerned to hear this news and will be raising the matter with the WAG next week.^ Meanwhile, Brian Cooke, chairman of London TravelWatch and a board member of Passenger Focus, said that the Government appeared to be protecting FGW because it did not want to jeopardise the ^1.1 billion that the company had agreed to pay over its ten-year franchise (link below.) http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/rail_privatisation_out_of_stea.html#more He said: Quote from: Brian Cooke ^It is amazing that the Government knew about this several months ago but waited until yesterday to inform passengers and the publicly funded passenger watchdogs. ^It shows a worrying level of complicity and raises the question about whether the Government are the right people to be auditing train companies^ performance and statistics.^ Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 27, 2008, 19:11:14 More article links.
http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144125&command=displayContent&sourceNode=232450&contentPK=19995867&folderPk=108202&pNodeId=251466 http://thisisplymouth.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=181429&command=displayContent&sourceNode=229968&home=yes&more_nodeId1=133174&contentPK=19995352 http://thisisbristol.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=145365&command=displayContent&sourceNode=145191&contentPK=19995957&folderPk=83726&pNodeId=144922 http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/news_article.php?section=5&category=89&story=5703 http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=231771&command=displayContent&sourceNode=231774&contentPK=19995266&folderPk=108867&pNodeId=231888 Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: devon_metro on February 27, 2008, 19:12:52 The Herald Express suggets that the DfT forced them to do this when a lot of it was in the pipeline anyway.
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: willc on February 27, 2008, 19:21:15 The ^7m for the new passenger information system was certainly in the pipeline already, as FGW have talked about doing this since winning the franchise, as the many failings of the Thames Trains system were well known long before then.
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 27, 2008, 19:25:53 The Herald Express suggets that the DfT forced them to do this when a lot of it was in the pipeline anyway. Here is a link to todays Herald Express report. http://www.heraldexpress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=135239&command=displayContent&sourceNode=135077&contentPK=19995151&folderPk=79060&pNodeId=134831 Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: vacman on February 27, 2008, 19:35:41 It seems that the press can always turn good news into bad! Wales gets enough English taxpayers money to spend on railways, and lets not forget it's the CARDIFF to Portsmouth line! Cardiff is, strangely enough, in WALES!!!
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 27, 2008, 19:40:03 It seems that the press can always turn good news into bad! Wales gets enough English taxpayers money to spend on railways, and lets not forget it's the CARDIFF to Portsmouth line! Cardiff is, strangely enough, in WALES!!! Thats pretty much the WAG line : A report on the anger in Wales at the rolling stock redeployment (link below.) http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/anger_as_valleys_rail_coaches.html#more WAG appear to be trying to contain this by emphasising that "the lease of the five train units was a short term measure that would benefit many of FGWs customers in Wales." Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: swlines on February 27, 2008, 19:41:33 To all press reading this:
I totally agree - it's outrageous that ATW are subleasing FGW sets which are spare each day anyway!!!! ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Timmer on February 27, 2008, 21:29:35 It seems that the press can always turn good news into bad! Wales gets enough English taxpayers money to spend on railways, and lets not forget it's the CARDIFF to Portsmouth line! Cardiff is, strangely enough, in WALES!!! Absolutely Vacman. I have seen plenty of rammed 2 car 158s operating between Bristol and Cardiff that from May passengers travelling to and from Wales from Bristol/Bath and further afield will now have a lot better chance of getting a seat. So this decision will be of benefit to passengers to and from Wales which I know has overcrowding problems of it's own and hopefully some good diagramming of the 4 150's that are staying will help ease the pain.FGW passengers and crew know what it feels like to see stock being sent elsewhere as in December 06 a fleet of Wessex 150s headed under the Severn tunnel never to return. This then happened again in December 07 when a fleet of 158s headed up north. However in the case of these five 150s its is only a short term measure and once the cascade of 150/1s from London Midland begin they will be handed back. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 27, 2008, 23:27:25 Meanwhile, Brian Cooke, chairman of London TravelWatch and a board member of Passenger Focus, said that the Government appeared to be protecting FGW because it did not want to jeopardise the ^1.1 billion that the company had agreed to pay over its ten-year franchise (link below.) http://www.rmtbristol.org.uk/2008/02/rail_privatisation_out_of_stea.html#more He said: Quote from: Brian Cooke ^It is amazing that the Government knew about this several months ago but waited until yesterday to inform passengers and the publicly funded passenger watchdogs. ^It shows a worrying level of complicity and raises the question about whether the Government are the right people to be auditing train companies^ performance and statistics.^ The I Hate First Great Western blog comments on this (link below.) http://ihatefirstgreatwestern.blogspot.com/2008/02/dft-and-fgw-dont-tell-truth-shocker.html Economy Klaus has also posted his view (link below.) http://firstlatewestern.blogspot.com/2008/02/andrew-haines-and-13-pence-solution.html Christian Wolmar article link. http://www.christianwolmar.co.uk/articles/rail/587.shtml Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Lee on February 28, 2008, 12:52:47 More article links.
http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=144125&command=displayContent&sourceNode=232450&contentPK=20004781&folderPk=108202&pNodeId=251466 http://thisisbath.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=163490&command=displayContent&sourceNode=163316&contentPK=20004684&folderPk=89126&pNodeId=163047 Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Conner on February 28, 2008, 16:04:24 I was on the train the article on the ThisisCornwall website, was turning away at Redruth, was a blue 153 but would have empetied at Truro as it was mainly teenagers who always go to Truro.
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Jez on February 29, 2008, 15:59:18 It seems that the press can always turn good news into bad! Wales gets enough English taxpayers money to spend on railways, and lets not forget it's the CARDIFF to Portsmouth line! Cardiff is, strangely enough, in WALES!!! It is but the 3 hour journey from Cardiff-Portsmouth is in Wales for what? Half an hour before it goes through the tunnel into England. I do agree though that more carriages are needed on the Cardiff-Portsmouth service. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: John R on February 29, 2008, 20:21:40 To all press reading this: I totally agree - it's outrageous that ATW are subleasing FGW sets which are spare each day anyway!!!! ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? They were only "spare" awaiting the conclusion of the platform extension program and completion of the Merthyr Line enhancement. Would have all been in use by May. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: DanielP on February 29, 2008, 20:33:24 In order to run a properly resourced commuter system, it will always be necessary to have stock left over in the day. That's how maintenance cycles work!
Daniel Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: vacman on February 29, 2008, 22:41:33 It seems that the press can always turn good news into bad! Wales gets enough English taxpayers money to spend on railways, and lets not forget it's the CARDIFF to Portsmouth line! Cardiff is, strangely enough, in WALES!!! It is but the 3 hour journey from Cardiff-Portsmouth is in Wales for what? Half an hour before it goes through the tunnel into England. I do agree though that more carriages are needed on the Cardiff-Portsmouth service. Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Timmer on February 29, 2008, 22:54:13 the loaded HST takes them all back to London!! Bet thats the bit the Cornish people like best, leave you in peace to count the cash.Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Conner on February 29, 2008, 23:04:05 the loaded HST takes them all back to London!! Bet thats the bit the Cornish people like best, leave you in peace to count the cash.Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: vacman on February 29, 2008, 23:07:22 Oh yes, and all the barely dressed single females that appear! ;)
Title: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Conner on March 01, 2008, 08:33:50 Oh yes, and all the barely dressed single females that appear! ;) We have enough of those here already :DTitle: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: vacman on March 02, 2008, 20:25:52 Oh yes, and all the barely dressed single females that appear! ;) We have enough of those here already :DTitle: Re: First to spend ^29 million BBC News Post by: Conner on March 03, 2008, 07:48:29 Oh yes, and all the barely dressed single females that appear! ;) We have enough of those here already :DThis page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |