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Title: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: simonw on June 08, 2017, 10:23:54
Not being fully knowledgeable about all legal methods to reduce ticket costs ( I use split tickets, and advance where possible) I saw mention of a Gold Annual Season ticket that provides discounts on all other routes.

Is this a South East only feature, and is it worth it?


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: Richard Fairhurst on June 08, 2017, 13:33:51
Here's the full details: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ticket_types/46573.aspx

There are several advantages over a standard Network Card, principally a larger area (most of the London Midland network, though curiously not Worcester-Hereford) and the lack of a minimum price on weekdays. I believe the current cheapest qualifying annual season is Lapworth-Hatton at £160pa, though Lichfield City-Lichfield Trent Valley is close at £164.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 08, 2017, 13:38:16
Doesn't Ryde Pier Head - Ryde Esplanade count? I regularly see this mentioned ion other fora.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: bobm on June 08, 2017, 13:46:57
According to Barry Doe in the latest issue of RAIL, it is now Exeter St Davids to Exeter Central at £140. 

Ryde Pier Head to Ryde Esplanade is £260.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: paul7575 on June 08, 2017, 13:48:09
Doesn't Ryde Pier Head - Ryde Esplanade count? I regularly see this mentioned ion other fora.

With the expansion of the Gold Card area into the west midlands it will have changed. Up until just a few years ago the Gold Card area and the Network Card areas were exactly the same, and the Ryde fare may have had few competitors.

Paul


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 08, 2017, 13:50:38
Still an expensive railcard price if you can't make use of the season....


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: JayMac on June 08, 2017, 14:53:44
Just a few leisure journeys into London and the £140 outlay is soon covered.

In fact, just one 1st Class day trip for 4 adults from say, Yeovil Junction to London, plus Zone 1-6 Travelcards, and you'd save £151.80 using an Annual Gold Card.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: simonw on June 08, 2017, 15:47:39
Shame that any annual season ticket, over a qualifying amount does not provide this feature!


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 08, 2017, 16:26:30
It does, if travel is fully within the Gold Card Area.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: JayMac on June 09, 2017, 00:33:25
It does, if travel is fully within the Gold Card Area.

Then that's not 'any' then, is it?  ::)


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 09, 2017, 09:38:54
So is the OP suggesting the whole country becomes one giant Gold Card area?

Coz its little sense in a Glasgow annual ticket being a Gold Card if they have to come south of Birmingham in order to use it.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 09, 2017, 09:46:19
Try Ryde Esplanade(RYD) to Ryde St Johns Road(RYR)12 Month £176.00

The exd-exc price quoted is a part time season, i have asked the question of its eligibility as a gold card and although i cant find an answer in written format the answer i tend to get is no.... does anyone have the actual answer to this?



 


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 09, 2017, 09:48:24
Also just to ask ... if you purchase from a gwr station what perks do you get? .... if you buy one from swt you get 6 or 7 free weekend journeys on south west trains (this may change when first take over)


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 09, 2017, 09:50:52
Here's the full details: http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/times_fares/ticket_types/46573.aspx

There are several advantages over a standard Network Card, principally a larger area (most of the London Midland network, though curiously not Worcester-Hereford) and the lack of a minimum price on weekdays. I believe the current cheapest qualifying annual season is Lapworth-Hatton at £160pa, though Lichfield City-Lichfield Trent Valley is close at £164.

So these are the cheapest  then....


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: grahame on June 09, 2017, 10:03:44
When / where Groupsave is available, has anyone shouted out in the ticket office to look for others making the same journey so they can travel as a group?   Is there a "trainshare" website like there are "carshare" ones?


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 09, 2017, 10:07:53
As you have to travel together, even when disruption hits or your plans change, I can't see very much take up for this personally


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: Surrey 455 on June 09, 2017, 21:37:01
Also just to ask ... if you purchase from a gwr station what perks do you get? .... if you buy one from swt you get 6 or 7 free weekend journeys on south west trains (this may change when first take over)

It's 6 vouchers per year on SWT. It entitles you to a days free travel anywhere on the SWT network on Saturdays, Sundays, bank holidays and at certain times on Fridays. It's called Gold Service. I try to do multi destination trips in a day to take advantage of it. For example Wimborne, Blandford and Wareham in one day, Lyndhurst, Brockenhurst, Lymington on another. Travelling between the towns by SWT train or bus.

I'm not likely to use up my tickets by the end of August so I hope First MTR will honour them.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: JayMac on June 09, 2017, 22:40:09
The exd-exc price quoted is a part time season, i have asked the question of its eligibility as a gold card and although i cant find an answer in written format the answer i tend to get is no.... does anyone have the actual answer to this?

Yes, Barry Doe. Who has presumably researched it before publishing in RAIL magazine.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: Western Pathfinder on June 10, 2017, 07:21:45
I came across this thought it might be interesting/useful? ???
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/u-k-ireland/1738245-isle-wight-trick.html


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 10, 2017, 08:41:47
Barry Doe has issued corrections before. He's not 100% reliable.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: bobm on June 10, 2017, 08:46:21
Barry Doe has issued corrections before. He's not 100% reliable.

Agreed, indeed he does issue a correction in another article in this fortnight's column.  However the article on the Gold Card is a follow up to an earlier piece so you would hope if it was incorrect it would have been picked up by now - unless of course the entry qualifications have been changed following a rush of sales in Exeter!


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 10, 2017, 11:58:18
But that wasn't made clear here?


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: 6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01 on June 14, 2017, 15:12:40
Here is one for you ... a regular annual season ticket is valid at any time on any day during its valid period... once that period ends the ticket is no longer valid for travel or the gold card attached ..... if the part time season ticket is for mondays tuesdays and wednesdays then the ticket is not valid for travel on thursdays.... would the gold card discount be valid on an invalid ticket for that day  :-\


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: ChrisB on June 14, 2017, 15:41:20
There is no way of marking the Gold Card with valid days - hence, I do not believe a part-time annual ticket IS a Gold Card.


Title: Re: Ticket discounts methods
Post by: stuving on June 23, 2017, 00:17:29
Here's the full
There are several advantages over a standard Network Card, principally a larger area (most of the London Midland network, though curiously not Worcester-Hereford) and the lack of a minimum price on weekdays. I believe the current cheapest qualifying annual season is Lapworth-Hatton at £160pa, though Lichfield City-Lichfield Trent Valley is close at £164.

I spotted this in the Southern rail report (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=18393.msg215493#msg215493), discussing little-used stations:
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Newhaven Harbour is an example of this. Most trains stop there so it has 2 trains per hour each  direction all day. But hardly any one appears to use it, from my observation, and the platform is full of weeds. The ferry connection is now advertised as a 3 minute walk from Newhaven Town station.  According to ORR statistics there were 50,878 journeys to/from Newhaven Harbour in  2014/2015, of which 11,507 were season ticket journeys. The ORR statistics have a note that says "strong growth on Newhaven branch - potentially tourism related", but I think the numbers are caused by the Annual Season between Town and Harbour costing just £164, the equal cheapest I could find (equal with Pevensey Bay - Pevensey & Westham and Lichfield T rent Valley – Lichfield City), which entitles the holder to a  Network Gold Card with lots of useful benefits. I  don’t think these ticket holders actually ever use Newhaven Harbour station.

So Chris Gibb, at least, has noticed what's going on.



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