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Title: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Lee on February 17, 2008, 23:52:05 Quote from the latest Economy Klaus post (link below) :
http://firstlatewestern.blogspot.com/2008/02/when-free-ride-has-to-end.html Quote Then, between Didcot and Reading, the train manager made a rare but much welcomed announcement: "Will anyone with a railway industry rail pass sitting in standard class, including Network Rail passes, please give up their seats to paying passengers as the train is extremely crowded." This is an announcement I've only heard a handful of times during my two-plus years of commuting from Chippenham. I assume - and feel free to correct me if I've got this wrong - if you work for Network Rail or a train operating company, you must be able to get a rail pass that provides free rail travel as a perk of the job. And all fine, too. I'm sure most rail jobs don't pay massively well so a spot of free travel acts as an incentive and a benefit. But here's the thing that gets my goat... The train manager made the announcement a second time: "Will anyone travelling on a rail pass in standard class please vacate their seats." No one stood up. Not a solitary person - at least not in my carriage. And indeed, everytime I've heard this announcement made, I never seen a single person stand up to hand their free seat to a paying customer as requested. Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Ollie on February 18, 2008, 01:52:37 Under conditions set by Rail Staff Travel at ATOC rail staff are obliged to give up their seats to fare paying passengers if no other seats are available. This does not apply to retired staff as far as I'm aware.
It's also worth noting there are some rail staff who do pay. Especially if travelling for a different TOC. Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Jim on February 18, 2008, 08:36:18 If you are "Passing" on a diagram, you have no right (AFAIK) to a seat.
Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Lee on February 18, 2008, 08:39:30 If you are "Passing" on a diagram, you have no right (AFAIK) to a seat. For the benefit of forum readers, can you explain what "Passing on a diagram" means, Jim? Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Jim on February 18, 2008, 09:23:31 If you are "Passing" on a diagram, you have no right (AFAIK) to a seat. For the benefit of forum readers, can you explain what "Passing on a diagram" means, Jim? When you as a guard basically travel on the train, instead of sitting in the cab 'working' it. Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Doctor Gideon Ceefax on February 18, 2008, 10:09:18 The only exception to this is if a member of traincrew is booked to take their break on the train, then they are entitled to a seat. Equally retired staff do not have to give up their seats.
Guards are certainly are allowed to travel in the rear cab or brake van, when travelling on duty. Plus at least other staff will know where they are if there is an incident, rather than trawling the whole train for them. Incidentally drivers used to be allowed to ride up the front when on duty travelling, but this has been stopped now. Presumably to avoid distracting the driver of the train, although given that HST's had two drivers until the 90's, I don't see the logic in it. Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: vacman on February 18, 2008, 12:49:34 Network Rail staff do not get free passes apart from VERY senior managers, or people who worked on the railway before April 1st 1996, also, if a member of staff is travelling on a "priv" ticket, which is a 75% discounted ticket that staff from all TOC's get for travelling on TOC's other rhan the one they work on, then they are travelling on a valid "ticket" and therefore don't actually have to give up their seat. A priv discount is only availiable on Standard "open" or standard "day" fares.
Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Conner on February 18, 2008, 16:07:02 Network Rail staff do not get free passes apart from VERY senior managers, or people who worked on the railway before April 1st 1996, also, if a member of staff is travelling on a "priv" ticket, which is a 75% discounted ticket that staff from all TOC's get for travelling on TOC's other rhan the one they work on, then they are travelling on a valid "ticket" and therefore don't actually have to give up their seat. A priv discount is only availiable on Standard "open" or standard "day" fares. Just a question about free rail travel, who actually gets it? What jobs? And what relations? As my Dad is looking at jobs on FGW, hes paticuarly interested in being trained as a guard/TM.Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Ollie on February 18, 2008, 17:15:01 Commonly the free travel will be just for the company you work for.
Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: devon_metro on February 18, 2008, 17:15:32 The only exception to this is if a member of traincrew is booked to take their break on the train, then they are entitled to a seat. Equally retired staff do not have to give up their seats. Most of them seem to go in First Class/rear cab. I saw an HST with two people in the back cab, unless of course they were monitoring the powercar as I always thought you weren't allowed in the back cab of an HST Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: dog box on February 18, 2008, 21:23:11 The only staff allowed in the rear power car are Fitters, something to do with the Inergen Bottles being quite unpleasant if activated
Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: gaf71 on February 18, 2008, 21:27:06 Network Rail staff do not get free passes apart from VERY senior managers, or people who worked on the railway before April 1st 1996, also, if a member of staff is travelling on a "priv" ticket, which is a 75% discounted ticket that staff from all TOC's get for travelling on TOC's other rhan the one they work on, then they are travelling on a valid "ticket" and therefore don't actually have to give up their seat. A priv discount is only availiable on Standard "open" or standard "day" fares. Just a question about free rail travel, who actually gets it? What jobs? And what relations? As my Dad is looking at jobs on FGW, hes paticuarly interested in being trained as a guard/TM.Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: vacman on February 18, 2008, 22:10:33 You get free travel with the TOC you work for, and with First you get 12 journeys per year on other First TOC's such as Scotrail, TPE, FCC and Hull trains, and ^5 family and friends tickets that you can take people with you on First services for ^5, which is more than most TOC's give, also every employee of any TOC gets a "Priv" card which gives 75% discount on standard open fares, this also applies to some preserved railways who are members of ATOC where any paid staff get a Priv card.
Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: 12hoursunday on February 19, 2008, 22:59:39 If you are "Passing" on a diagram, you have no right (AFAIK) to a seat. There is an exception though Jim. Drivers sometimes are diagramed a 'Break on Train' this is where they are unable to be given a break at say Padd due to the workload of their diagrams. They are also reserved a seat (49a) I believe in Coach A and a food voucher is included! Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Ollie on February 19, 2008, 23:56:50 You get free travel with the TOC you work for, and with First you get 12 journeys per year on other First TOC's such as Scotrail, TPE, FCC and Hull trains, and ^5 family and friends tickets that you can take people with you on First services for ^5, which is more than most TOC's give, also every employee of any TOC gets a "Priv" card which gives 75% discount on standard open fares, this also applies to some preserved railways who are members of ATOC where any paid staff get a Priv card. Except Grand Central :D Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: swlines on February 21, 2008, 01:47:49 Grand Central aren't ATOC members though... ;)
I believe they simply get revenue from ORCATS and have nothing else to do with ATOC. Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Ollie on February 21, 2008, 01:50:34 That's what I mean, GC don't pay the contributions to ATOC.
It was merely a statement to show that it is not ALL TOC's as stated in earlier post. Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: swlines on February 21, 2008, 01:54:22 It's the same reason why railcards are not accepted on GC priced tickets!
- although of course you can get railcard discount on any other ticket that allows Grand Central travel, including priv. Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Lee on February 27, 2008, 14:38:41 Here is a related Third Rate Western blog post link.
http://thirdratewestern.blogspot.com/2008/02/give-up-your-seats.html Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: admf2 on March 03, 2008, 21:42:25 As far as I know the problems with priv stretch even further than this. I know that with the TOC that I work for (no names), we dont get priv on first ScotRail (because they dont want to play). I think this must be the same with all tocs. Also our TOC has done away with our friends and family tickets altogether pending review. And the 75% off the SOR often makes it cheaper to either use a railcard or AP fare. Then ya dont get it on Grand Central either, and I am doubtful that priv will be available on wrexham and shropshire either!
I dont know what the entitlements are for Safeguarded staff as I am non-safeguarded. Presumably they still have their entitlement to scotrail, along with TFL etc. JT You get free travel with the TOC you work for, and with First you get 12 journeys per year on other First TOC's such as Scotrail, TPE, FCC and Hull trains, and ^5 family and friends tickets that you can take people with you on First services for ^5, which is more than most TOC's give, also every employee of any TOC gets a "Priv" card which gives 75% discount on standard open fares, this also applies to some preserved railways who are members of ATOC where any paid staff get a Priv card. Except Grand Central :D Title: Re: Economy Klaus - "Why Dont Rail Staff Give Up Their Seats When Asked?" Post by: Lee on March 03, 2008, 21:52:03 Welcome to the forum, admf2.
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