Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: grahame on March 04, 2007, 08:51:51 Three out of 4 London bound trains cancelled ....
(http://www.wellho.net/pix/afm.jpg) .... from a personal viewpoint, thank goodness I was travelling West Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: Lee on July 28, 2007, 11:58:48 Trains to and from Bristol were disrupted last night as police investigated a suspect on a London-bound train. The 5.30pm service from Bristol Temple Meads was stopped in Swindon and all trains were prevented from going in and out of the station while officers "acted on information" about someone on the train (link below.)
http://www.westpress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=146238&command=displayContent&sourceNode=146064&contentPK=17948084&folderPk=100268&pNodeId=145795 Despite rumours that a man had threatened to blow himself up , British Transport Police said the incident was resolved peacefully by 8pm. Title: Re: Police Swoop On Train At Swindon Post by: Timmer on July 28, 2007, 12:10:34 Trains to and from Bristol were disrupted last night as police investigated a suspect on a London-bound train. The 5.30pm service from Bristol Temple Meads was stopped in Swindon and all trains were prevented from going in and out of the station while officers "acted on information" about someone on the train (link below.) Was wondering what was causing all the problems on the rails yesterday evening. For the longsuffering commuters along the GW mainline a second Friday of travel misery. I'm sure Economy Klaus will have plenty to say on this!http://www.westpress.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=146238&command=displayContent&sourceNode=146064&contentPK=17948084&folderPk=100268&pNodeId=145795 Despite rumours that a man had threatened to blow himself up , British Transport Police said the incident was resolved peacefully by 8pm. Title: Re: Police Swoop On Train At Swindon Post by: Lee on July 30, 2007, 14:33:05 More on this in the links below.
http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.uk/news/latestheadlines/display.var.1580328.0.bomb_report_causes_rail_delays.php http://iworkforfgw.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: Nitrox on December 30, 2007, 20:12:54 Does anybody have experience of parking at any of the Swindon station car parks in the morning ? Will be moving to Swindon soon and having checked out the parking facilities (which seem plentiful albeit for ^6.50/^7.00 per day !) was wondering how busy they usually are on your normal day ? The car park on the north side of the line would be most suitable for me (North Star side) but was left thinking somehow this car park is probably heaving by 8am no doubt ? Which is most likely to offer spaces at around 8-8.30am (if any !) ?
Thanks :) Title: Re: Swindon station car parks Post by: Lee on December 31, 2007, 10:35:33 The link below may be of interest.
http://firstlatewestern.blogspot.com/2007/11/cock-up-on-parking-front.html Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: Lee on January 15, 2008, 12:59:48 Interesting blog post (link below.)
http://swindoncentric.blogspot.com/2008/01/of-tardy-trains-tardy-stories.html Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: Lee on November 01, 2008, 12:11:09 Trains from the Keypoint Swindon rail terminal will transport around 23,000 vehicles each year from the Honda factory to the Channel Tunnel (link below.)
http://nds.coi.gov.uk/environment/fullDetail.asp?ReleaseID=382857&NewsAreaID=2&NavigatedFromDepartment=False The new terminal will allow Honda to export cars from their Swindon plant to their European logistics centre in Gent, Belgium. The terminal links directly to the Honda facility, and has been developed jointly between Honda and Kilbride Group. Vehicle logistics company STVA operates the movement service for Honda. Up to two trains a week will run from the terminal, with each train carrying over 200 cars. Trains leaving the new rail head in Swindon will carry mostly 5-door and 3-door hatchback Civic models on double-decks. Each train leaves Swindon at approximately 4pm and arrives at Gent, Belgium at 7am the next morning. Title: Re: Adonis Opens Swindon Keypoint Railfreight Terminal Post by: IndustryInsider on November 03, 2008, 12:07:02 Is this the rail connected terminal about 2 miles to the east of the station which has been laid and connected for about 10 years with no trains using it? If so, about time too!
Title: Re: Adonis Opens Swindon Keypoint Railfreight Terminal Post by: Lee on November 03, 2008, 14:27:47 Quotes from the link below :
http://www.kilbridegroup.com/docs/view_news.asp?nid=46 Quote from: Kilbride Group "Specialist infrastructure developer, Kilbride Group has taken over the Keypoint Swindon rail terminal and invested in an improved road access to allow cars from the neighbouring Honda car plant at Swindon direct access to the terminal." "Almost 3,000 trucks a year will be taken off the road following the re-opening of an existing rail head next to the Honda of the UK Manufacturing site at Swindon." "The new rail freight terminal links directly to the Honda facility, and has been developed jointly between Honda and Kilbride Group. Vehicle logistics company STVA operates the movement service for Honda." "We are delighted to have provided the infrastructure to enable Honda to move cars by rail through the Channel Tunnel to mainland Europe. The Kilbride Swindon Terminal represents another investment in rail freight infrastructure on behalf of a major industrial customer by the Kilbride Group, following on from the Jaguar Castle Bromwich facility," Further related links. http://www.swindonweb.com/office/?m=580&s=587&ss=0&c=4288&t=Honda+on+the+right+track+for+exports http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7694555.stm http://www.keypointswindon.com/keypointswindon.htm Title: Re: Adonis Opens Swindon Keypoint Railfreight Terminal Post by: John R on November 03, 2008, 15:14:04 Let's hope they are as successful in Tavistock.
Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: willc on August 15, 2009, 11:50:22 No idea of the circumstances but seems to have happened about 6.30am.
Posts from National Rail and FGW sites: Delays between Swindon (Wilts) and Didcot Parkway THIS INCIDENT HAS BEEN CLEARED Time Reported 15/08/2009 06:35 Last updated 15/08/2009 08:30 Route Affected Gloucester / Bristol Parkway, Swindon (Wilts), Didcot Parkway, Reading and London Paddington TOC Affected First Great Western Description Because of a person having been hit by a train between Swindon (Wilts) and Didcot Parkway, journeys may be delayed by up to 40 minutes Saturday 15th August 07:05 Services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway are being disrupted due to a fatality in the South Marston area. Services are subject to delay, alteration and cancellation. Replacement road transport is being organised between Chippenham, Swindon and Didcot Parkway. Title: Re: Death on the line near Swindon - 15 August 2009 Post by: Rogang on August 15, 2009, 18:32:00 1A02 05:30 BTM-Pad hit a person near South Martson Euro Terminal 06:15. Train stranded for 2 hours then set back into Swindon to detrain. Reversible working permitted on the Down line 07:50, but quite a backlog of up trains at Swindon. Some services via B&H - 03:59 Swansea-Pad terminated at Bristol then ECS to Swindon to form a revised 1B10 08:40 Swindon-Swansea. Normal working 08:35. 1A02 set still in Platform 3 at 09:00 awaiting fitters clearance before ECS to Old Oak.
Title: Re: Death on the line near Swindon - 15 August 2009 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 17, 2009, 21:51:10 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/4548676.Man_dies_after_being_hit_by_train/):
Quote Man dies after being hit by train A man died after he was hit by an early morning train in Stratton St Margaret. Police said the victim, in his early 30s, was killed under a bridge at Ermin Street at about 6.30am on Saturday. Duty Inspector Andrew Carr of Swindon Police said the investigation was being treated as suicide. Police also said it was not clear where the man was from. A bouquet of flowers have been left tied to the railway bridge. The incident caused major disruption to rail services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway. It also delayed routes from Gloucester, Bristol Parkway, Reading and London Paddington throughout the morning. The line was reopened after two hours for normal service to resume. ^A fatality is quite rare in the area,^ said Insp Carr. ^m not aware of this sort of thing happening. I know nationwide it does happen, but this is not common place here. It^s an unfortunate incident.^ A First Great Western statement appeared on its website soon after the incident. It read: ^Services between Swindon and Didcot Parkway are being disrupted due to a fatality in the South Marston area. Services are subject to delay, alteration and cancellation. Replacement road transport is being organised between Chippenham, Swindon and Didcot Parkway.^ British Transport Police are currently conducting an investigation into how the incident happened. A spokesman would only confirm there was a fatality and no other official information was given when approached by the Swindon Advertiser yesterday. The death comes 48 hours after the Adver revealed how passengers narrowly escaped death when vandals dumped concrete blocks on a railway line in Swindon. A 125mph First Great Western passenger train, carrying up to 750 people, struck the steel reinforced blocks near Stratton Green Bridge, but managed to stay on the rails. The train was heading to London Paddington from South Wales, but was so badly damaged it could not continue its journey. None of the culprits has been caught following the incident at 5pm on Monday, July 13. The potentially fatal incident was just one of four dangerous incidents on Swindon railway lines in a month. Any information about the fatality or the vandalism can be passed onto police by calling 0845 408 7000 or Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111. Title: Re: Death on the line near Swindon - 15 August 2009 Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 11, 2009, 21:48:16 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/4789024.Stuntman_took_his_own_life/):
Quote Stuntman took his own life Mystery surrounds what depressed a Swindon stunt motorcyclist so much he took his own life on a railway line, an inquest heard yesterday. Geoff Chaloner of Sywell Road, Coleview, laid out on the track just under Ermin Street Bridge in Stratton as a First Great Western train hit him at 70mph, Assistant Deputy Coroner for Swindon & Wiltshire Ian Singleton said. The stuntman, known as ^The Wheelie King^ who rode for many bike teams including the Over The Top Motorcycle Stunt team, made the 20-minute walk to the bridge from his home. The dad-of-two was hit by a 450-tonne train at about 6.10am on August 15. He was pronounced dead at the scene by paramedics at 6.35am, said Mr Singleton. The inquest at Trowbridge Town Hall heard Mr Chaloner, 46, left a short hand-written note in the kitchen of his family home saying he was ^so sorry to let the family down^. Giving evidence Mr Chaloner^s wife Debbie said she still didn^t know why he wanted to kill himself. ^If he was (depressed) he didn^t show it and hid it well,^ she said. ^Something was troubling him but he never told me what it was. You know men they don^t like to talk about things.^ She added: ^The letter had about three lines in it ^ That^s the worst bit ^ I wish he^d left something more.^ Debbie said her husband of 22 years was in good health and had never indicated he had any suicidal thoughts. The inquest also heard from train driver John Plumford who was taking the 5.30am train from Bristol Temple Meads bound for London Paddington. In a witness statement read by the coroner, Mr Plumford said he noticed a ^dark shadow^ on the track just in front of him. He applied the emergency brake but the train was unable to stop in time, said Mr Singleton. Mr Chaloner was wearing dark clothing on what was not a clear early morning, said the coroner. Tall trees at the side of the track also created shadows over the line near the bridge, he said. John Wilson, the coroner^s British Transport Police liaison officer for Wales and the South West, said Mr Chaloner had either jumped over a 5ft wall or squeezed through a fence to get to the railway line. Mr Singleton said HGV driver Mr Chaloner had been drinking alcohol in the lead up to his death. Several empty beer cans lay near Mr Chaloner^s body, he added. Toxicology results showed Mr Chaloner was more than twice the legal drink/drive limit at 178mg per 100ml of blood. The post-mortem report, compiled by histopathologist doctor Darko Lazic from the Great Western Hospital, said Mr Chaloner died as a result of multiple head and body injuries. A nine-person jury, made up of five women and four men, took 15 minutes to be able to deliver their verdict. They unanimously concluded: ^He (Mr Chaloner) took his life while under the influence of alcohol.^ Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 27, 2010, 21:05:42 From the BTP press release (http://www.btp.presscentre.com/Media-Releases/DETECTIVES-APPEAL-FOR-WITNESSES-AFTER-ASSAULT-LEAVES-WOMAN-UNCONSCIOUS-SWINDON-f37.aspx):
Quote British Transport Police (BTP) detectives are appealing for witnesses after a woman was assaulted and knocked unconscious by a man in the subway tunnel at Swindon rail station. Officers are urging anyone with information about the incident which took place at 10.30pm on Saturday, 8 May to come forward. After the incident a 43-year-old man from Swindon was arrested, and has been released on police bail until 8 June 2010. Detective Constable Richard Day, the investigating officer, said the incident began when the offender first attacked a man in the subway underpass at Swindon rail station. "The victim sustained cuts and bruises to his face. The offender then turned on two women, who were trying to walk past, and set upon them in a completely unprovoked attack.^ Both women were punched in the face, with one, a 33-year-old from Swindon, being left unconscious and requiring emergency medical treatment. DC Day added: ^This attack was a completely unacceptable and violent incident, and I would urge anyone who witnessed it to come forward.^ Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 29, 2011, 18:44:52 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/8939480.Petition_to_reduce_train_fares_from_station/):
Quote Consumer campaigners are calling on Swindon^s travelling public to deliver the message ^ our train fares are too high. The pressure group Fair Fares was leafleting commuters and drawing up a petition outside the railway station on Friday night, as part of its bid to force train operators to lower their fares. Around 150 commuters signed the petition, which will be sent to Philip Hammond, the secretary of state for transport. The campaigners are angered by the disproportionately high fares between Swindon and London, which sees commuters in the town pay more than train users in Bath ^ despite being around 40 miles closer to the capital. Fair Fare campaign founder Chris Watts, of Dunsford Close, Old Town, said high fares are discouraging businesses from moving to the town. ^Swindon is in a situation where it^s disadvantaged when it comes to the cost of rail fares,^ said the 44-year-old. ^There^s no reason for it in this day and age. There should be a level playing field. The council has actually stated companies have come to look at relocating to Swindon, but while they might save on rent and rates, they still have to do business in London.^ In response to Mr Watts^s criticism, a spokseman for First Group, which runs the bulk of trains on the Great Western line, said: ^Compared with other means of transport, train travel offers very good value for money.^ They also stated that fares from the Swindon were being kept as low as possible and some had been frozen. Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, signalling, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: ellendune on August 19, 2011, 21:52:36 Some progress on this project
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9206795.It___s_all_change_for_Swindon_railway_station/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9206795.It___s_all_change_for_Swindon_railway_station/) Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: ellendune on August 31, 2011, 19:51:16 Some more news today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-14727900 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-14727900) http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9223326.Taxi_drivers_are_concerned_by_changes_at_train_station/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9223326.Taxi_drivers_are_concerned_by_changes_at_train_station/) Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: bobm on February 07, 2012, 16:00:06 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-16931420)
Quote A "substantial" number of train services have been cancelled or diverted because of a total signal failure near Swindon. Train operator First Great Western said most services from Wales and Bristol towards London were affected. Services from Bath and Chippenham have been replaced by buses, while services from Bristol Parkway are travelling via Gloucester. Network Rail said it did not know how long it would take to fix the problem. The train operator added that services to and from Bristol Temple Meads were being diverted via the Berkshire and Hampshire line. I was on the 10:00 London Paddington to Paignton service. We were held outside Swindon for about 10 minutes before being brought into Platform 1 where I got off. The preceding service to Swansea was on platform 4. According to live departures the Paignton train stayed there for nearly an hour before being diverted and missing all other stops until Taunton - I assumed it was diverted via Melksham but I saw later it never made Paignton. Title: Re: Signal Failure in Swindon Area - 07 Feb 12 Post by: Louis94 on February 07, 2012, 16:49:15 I was on the 10:00 London Paddington to Paignton service. We were held outside Swindon for about 10 minutes before being brought into Platform 1 where I got off. The preceding service to Swansea was on platform 4. According to live departures the Paignton train stayed there for nearly an hour before being diverted and missing all other stops until Taunton - I assumed it was diverted via Melksham but I saw later it never made Paignton. Went back to Didcot, and around the Reading West Curve and via the B/H to Cogload. Failure was all lines West of Swindon (Excluding to Cheltenham Spa), so was not possible to divert Via Melksham at first. Complete loss of signalling between Swindon and Hullvington/Thingley Junction. Swansea services started going via Gloucester, with Pilot working commencing for Bristol services, with them going via B/H until this was setup. Normal Working has now resumed Title: Re: Signal Failure in Swindon Area - 07 Feb 12 Post by: bobm on February 07, 2012, 17:26:17 Went back to Didcot, and around the Reading West Curve and via the B/H to Cogload. That will be one set in "reverse formation" then! ;D Title: Re: Signal Failure in Swindon Area - 07 Feb 12 Post by: Super Guard on February 08, 2012, 21:41:33 Went back to Didcot, and around the Reading West Curve and via the B/H to Cogload. That will be one set in "reverse formation" then! ;D Cancelled at Newton Abbot, and was 31 late off Exeter on the return working. Title: Stuck outside Swindon Post by: bigdaz on February 12, 2012, 12:38:23 currently stuck on train (1138 off Rdg to btm) outside swindon due to single line working AND signal failure believed to be using human lineside signallers!!
Title: Re: Stuck outside Swindon Post by: ellendune on February 12, 2012, 13:32:23 It also happened on 18th December http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9996.0 (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=9996.0)
Is this going to continue for the next two years until Swindon is resignalled? Title: Re: Stuck outside Swindon Post by: dog box on February 12, 2012, 17:14:36 currently stuck on train (1138 off Rdg to btm) outside swindon due to single line working AND signal failure believed to be using human lineside signallers!! otherwise know as Pilotman Working! Title: Extra trains for Swindon football fans Post by: bobm on February 23, 2012, 11:09:36 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9547700.Extra_trains_laid_on_for_Wembley_trip/)
Interesting quote about split tickets and the contigency to re-arrange trains if the match goes to penalties. Quote A RAIL firm has laid on extra trains to take Swindon Town^s large travelling support for the Wembley final next month following an outcry by fans in the Adver. First Great Western has announced they will run five extra train services from Swindon to Paddington on March 25, the day the Robins take on Chesterfield in the Johnstone Paint Trophy. But the company said there will still be no discounts available for fans travelling in large groups. It comes after the Adver revealed Group Save tickets previously available to First Great Western customers were withdrawn on Sunday, March 25, meaning groups of fans travelling from Swindon to Paddington will not be able to get the usual discount. Three services will run, with 8.56am, 9.45am and 10.16am services, while two extra trains will depart from Paddington at 6pm and either 5pm or 7pm depending on whether the game goes to extra time or penalties. Dan Panes, a spokesman for First Great Western, said: ^We are not charging any premiums for the trains, but GroupSave tickets will not be available. ^The important thing to stress is there have been a number of people trying to get split tickets. ^It is worth pointing out we are not responsible if they do not hit their connections, whereas with a full ticket we are. We did not have any complaints ^ I think our regular travellers are aware of the GroupSave policy.^ Swindon South MP Rob Buckland lobbied the firm to provide additional services and extra GroupSave tickets. He said: ^We^ve now got more trains, but I am disappointed that they cannot offer group concessions. ^I still think it would be an excellent initiative for them to do this on what is a special day for the town.^ Nigel Bennett, spokesman for the Swindon Town Supporters Club, said it was good for fans to have alternatives and and pointed out that coaches were still available. He said: ^Any alternative option for fans to get to the match is always welcome and I understand it may have sprung from a suggestion by the football club that they lay on additional facilities.^ Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: soupowl on April 29, 2012, 09:57:18 Having put up with many months of work on the front of swindon station, things look like they might finally be nearing completion. I am wondering if the bus stop is likely to be reinstated? When you arrive in Swindon late at night it has been very unpleasant having to walk to the town bus stops, because of all the undesirables who hang out in the pedestrianised shopping cente, which the bus stops look down on - and they look up to! I find it especially scary because I have a dog with me, and they have their lovely "bullie" type dogs with them.
Does anyone know? Title: Re: Swindon station improvements - will the bus stop be reinstated? Post by: bobm on April 29, 2012, 10:23:11 The latest on the Thamesdown Transport website (http://www.thamesdown-transport.co.uk/index.asp?m=207&s=210&c=2157) says the Station stops are closed until "Summer 2012" which indicates to me that they will return at the end of the work. The bigger problem for me is that a lot of services don't serve the Station in any case and expect you to walk from the Bus Station or Flemming Way anyway which as you say can have its problems. Unless I have anything heavy to carry I tend to end up walking home throught the Railway Village.
Title: Re: Swindon station improvements - will the bus stop be reinstated? Post by: JayMac on April 29, 2012, 10:24:31 There are alternative stops down the road from Swindon station opposite Gloucester Street or up the road on Corporation Street.
Title: Re: Swindon station improvements - will the bus stop be reinstated? Post by: bobm on April 29, 2012, 10:56:12 There are alternative stops down the road from Swindon station opposite Gloucester Street or up the road on Corporation Street. Depends where you want to go - I think all the ones that call at Gloucester Street are coming into town and terminate at the Bus Station/Flemming Way. Not sure about Corporation Street as I have never used them but I doubt they serve the west of the town centre itself or the areas to the south and west of the town.Title: Swindon rail survey skips question of cost Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 07, 2012, 21:54:53 From ThisIsWiltshire (http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/9692254.Rail_survey_skips_question_of_cost/):
Quote Rail survey skips question of cost Blink and you^ll miss it. A customer survey handed out by First Great Western at the weekend devoted just one question out of 100 to ticket pricing. Passengers are quizzed about their age, family background, employment status and even the appearance of train staff. Views are also sought on the condition of the outside of the train, the floors and the soap dispensers. But respondents have to wait until question 28, under the heading ^opinion of rail journey in general^, before getting to the topic on most people^s minds. The sub-question asks for a rating ^ from very satisfied to very dissatisfied ^ for ^the value for money of the price of your ticket.^ The survey comes at a time when Swindon passengers are likely to be hit by another round of price increases. Swindon is in the top 10 most expensive lines in the country, with a trip to London costing 72p per mile. Company secretary Susie Kandolah, 42, from Purton, was travelling from London Paddington to Swindon. She said: ^They say it^s to improve their service but it sounds like they just want to make more money out of us. When you^ve paid over ^50 with a Travelcard to get to London and back you^re not that bothered about what the windows look like.^ Lorna Stephens, 21, a student from Bristol, said: ^It^s so expensive I find it cheaper to drive to London. I can^t see the point of the survey if there^s nothing about cost.^ Coun Kevin Small, chairman of Swindon Borough Council^s scrutiny committee, said: ^It^s not a satisfaction survey, it^s more about the customer base and the kind of people they want to attract to the trains. They are finding out if they can appeal to different sections of the community. We have made it clear from the scrutiny work we have done one of the major issues which First Great Western has failed to make any recognition of is price. They see tickets as an easy way to make more money for themselves." A spokeswoman for GWR said the survey was a customer satisfaction monitor which was aimed at giving the rail operator an idea of how it was doing ahead of a national survey carried out by Passenger Focus, an independent public body protecting the interests of passengers. She said: ^We only need to ask one question about fares ^ whether they^re good value for money or not. Obviously there are a number of other factors including whether the trains are on time and the frequency and capacity. We are currently investing ^29m with the Department For Transport in increasing capacity on high-speed trains. On value for money we have worked with Swindon MPs and the council in terms of keeping fares down in Swindon over the last couple of fare increases, particularly on walk on fares.^ Quote A spokeswoman for GWR said ... Eh?? ::) Title: Re: Swindon rail survey skips question of cost Post by: phile on May 07, 2012, 22:00:50 Thre is no need to ask at all if fares are value for money. FGW, and any other Company for that matter, should know passengers opinions without asking. They have been documented enough !!!
Title: Re: Swindon rail survey skips question of cost Post by: grahame on May 07, 2012, 22:32:54 Quote Rail survey skips question of cost A customer survey handed out by First Great Western at the weekend ... Coun Kevin Small, chairman of Swindon Borough Council^s scrutiny committee, said: ^It^s not a satisfaction survey, it^s more about the customer base and the kind of people they want to attract to the trains. They are finding out if they can appeal to different sections of the community. ..." Where it says "customer survey", was it done on railway premises / trains - i.e. to existing customers? If so, it's going to tell them much more about people they've already attracted to trains than about extra people they want to attract, surely? Title: Re: Swindon rail survey skips question of cost Post by: Oxman on May 08, 2012, 15:33:07 FGW run a Customer Satisfaction Monitor every quarter. It is directed at FGW customers and asks very similar questions to those asked in the National Passenger survey (which is twice yearly). The sample size for the CSM is much bigger than that of the NPS, so the results are more significant and, of course, you get a much better picture of trends with it being a quarterly survey.
The results are widely distributed within FGW management and are closely scrutinised, particularly by station managers. The results for individual stations can be quite revealing. And like the NPS, there is only one question on vaue for money. Lets face it, its a bit liking asking turkeys what they think of Christmas. Title: Re: Swindon rail survey skips question of cost Post by: Southern Stag on May 08, 2012, 16:17:17 I've been given a FGW passenger survey twice, both times given out on a train and a National Passenger Survey once at a station. They are both pretty long questionnaires which ask you you're opinion on pretty much everything to do with you're journey. I can imagine the FGW surveys are more useful because of the larger sample size, FGW's survey has been handed out to everybody on the train in my experience while the handing out of the National Passenger Survey seems to be quite selective.
Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 09, 2012, 20:42:05 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9696892.Rain_delays_railway_station_plans/):
Quote Rain delays railway station plans (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/1998617/?type=articleLandscape) The major improvement of Swindon^s railway station forecourt has been delayed by the heavy rain but is still on track to be completed by the summer. Contractor Britannia Construction, which started the work in late September, hoped to complete the work at the end of June, but the wash-out means it is likely to be a July finish. Forward Swindon commissioned the ^1.8m project to provide a more impressive and user-friendly gateway to Swindon. Nearly ^1m came from Government, while the remainder of the cost was met through Swindon Council and Network Rail. The scheme gives pedestrians priority through an uncluttered space which will feature seating, planting, lighting and re-siting of the Millennium Clock, which used to be located in the centre of town. Taxi ranks, drop offs and bus stops will be in well-defined locations. Britannia Construction is well into the final phase of the work and says it is progressing well, despite a number of challenges, including the exceptional weather, which has also delayed other construction projects nationwide. Contracts manager Rob Rees said: ^We are still looking to complete the project by the summer ^ most likely July. But we have had a particular struggle with the exceptionally wet conditions lately, meaning there are certain areas where we cannot carry on paving as quickly as we would like. We have also experienced some flooding on site, which has been exacerbated by overflow from the adjacent Sheppard Street car park, situated on higher ground.^ Additional utilities work has also been required since the site is crossed by a number of major pipelines and drainage systems, none of which were evident at the start. When workmen have not been able to complete part of the project, they have moved, on to another part to reduce delays. The final stage of the project, is now being undertaken, which has seen the installation of 500 tons of natural granite to create the 2,000sq metre forecourt area. A mix of colours define the pedestrian routes and access to transport links. Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 26, 2012, 22:42:25 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9720059.Taxi_drivers_facing_strain_of_rail_revamp/):
Quote Taxi drivers facing strain of rail revamp Taxi drivers continue to be upset over the work to carry out a major revamp of Swindon train station. The ^1.8m scheme, which includes Gloucester Street, will replace the run-down cab rank and frontage with a new pedestrian plaza. But the work, which has involved months of disruption, will reduce spaces for taxis from more than 40 to around 30. Cabbie Nathan Blake, 43, of Old Town, said: ^It^s ridiculous, the whole thing is a waste of money. Fewer cabs will be able to stop outside the station when it is finished and the way the kerbs are designed they are very high and too far from the areas taxis will stop in. It will make it more difficult for us to pick up passengers. The trade in the town is struggling enough as it is without this.^ Ranks in Gloucester Street and Wellington Street have been used while the diggers have been going about their business. Less than 10 cabs have been able to use the station forecourt itself at any one time while the work has been taking place. The revamp has been delayed by the recent downpours of rain, but is expected to be completed by July. Taxi driver Keith Larbey, 42, of Park North, said: ^The main worry is the length of time it^s taking, they are getting on with it as much as they can but it^s an inconvenience to the general public as well as to us. There are overspill ranks but there^s still not enough space ^ it^s crowded and hazardous and we risk having our vehicles damaged. It^s in the final stages now and we are just waiting to see what it looks like when it^s finished, it might be just as effective.^ Cabbie Tom Evans, 50, from Penhill, said: ^It^s a total waste of taxpayers^ money. All they needed to do was tarmac it and flatten out the surface. The money would have been spent on something else. We have got a dead town and it would have been better to invest in the town centre. It^s a railway station, that^s all it is. The new bus shelter alone cost ^15,000 and the kerbs have been imported from China. One has already had to be replaced as it had a point in it. The disabled access is past the traffic lights on Station Road and it will be a real struggle for people to walk back to the station on a rainy day.^ Daniel Cooper, secretary of Swindon Taxi Association, said: ^When it^s finished it^s going to be safer for us and safer for the public. However it does cause us concern because more than 40 cabs could use this rank before and that will be taken down to 30. It^s going to be difficult for us having a lot less vehicles over here. We will have to see how it works when it^s finished.^ The scheme is intended to give pedestrians priority through an uncluttered space which will feature seating, planting, lighting and re-siting of the Millennium Clock, which used to be located in the centre of town. Taxi ranks, drop offs and bus stops will be in well-defined locations. A spokeswoman for Forward Swindon said that extensive consultations had been carried out with taxi drivers before the work commenced. Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: ellendune on June 02, 2012, 21:06:00 The work seems even more chaotic this week with the walking route to the station having moved and the tarffic route past the station changing during the week. I hope it is finished soon. I was colecting someone from a train this morning and it was impossible to park in the pick up area. If it is not finished soon it will put people off rail travel.
Title: Swindon Resignalling Post by: ellendune on June 02, 2012, 21:10:13 There was a very short article in the June Modern Railways about the transfer of Swindon B to the Thames Valley Signalling Centre in March. According to the article was the first application of some new technology that improved operational flexibility. I am not clear whether the interloking was replaced by the new system or just the control. Can anyone help?
Title: Re: Swindon Resignalling Post by: bobm on June 05, 2012, 09:47:44 I have just read the article in Modern Railways and it seems to suggest that while the area covered by the new technology is the Didcot area the actual equipment/software is still at Swindon B rather than at TVSC.
Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: bobm on July 19, 2012, 17:34:07 More rain delays.... From the BBC. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-18898657)
Quote Building work at the front of Swindon's railway station is running behind schedule. The improvements had been expected to finish at the end of July but now look likely to be completed by mid August Forward Swindon - the company overseeing the work - says the recent heavy rain has delayed the work. A spokesman said it had been been working closely with the contractor to ensure the work on the forecourt was completed as soon as possible. "However, due to factors outside of all of our control, including the unusually wet weather, it is likely that work will not be fully completed until mid August," he said. "The area to the right of the station entrance - toward Costa Coffee - will be fully opened up to the public next week, and the contractors will then focus on the area on the other side of the entrance. "The imperative has been to keep access to the station open at all times." Work has been taking place at Station Road for nearly a year. The area to the front is being paved with granite to highlight the route to the town centre. A new taxi rank will have room for 14 cabs with an additional route for taxi drop-offs and emergency vehicles. Forward Swindon is the economic development company for the town and is responsible for the delivery of economic growth in the borough. Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: SandTEngineer on July 19, 2012, 17:50:14 Well when I passed through there twice last week there wasn't a worker to be seen :P
Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: John R on July 19, 2012, 19:49:02 Quite why it takes a year to build a glorified patio I do not know.
Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: bobm on August 02, 2012, 11:40:01 There is going to be an accident outside Swindon Station shortly.
As part of the redevelopment out the front they have put a new signal controlled pedestrian crossing which most people will have to use to get to and from the town or the bus station. It is across a one way street with three lanes of traffic. Two are for cars and the other for taxis and they are signalled independently - the lights let the cars through and then as they go to red the taxi lane gets a green before that in turn goes to red and the pedestrians get a green man. The problem is as pedestrians see the car lights go to red they start to cross just as the taxis get a green light. It isn't helped by the fact the red and green indicators for those on foot are on the posts by the button rather than high up on the pole on the opposite side of the road, so if there is a throng of people you cannot see them anyway. I have seen a couple of near misses already. Title: Swindon Station car park - Getting a space Post by: hoover50 on August 03, 2012, 15:30:09 Does anyone know what time I will need to arrive at Swindon station car park in order to be certain of getting a space?
I presume the arrival time during the school holiday period won't be as early as when the schools go back. If this car park is full, what alternatives are there nearby? Title: Re: Swindon Station car park - Getting a space Post by: ellendune on August 03, 2012, 18:23:41 It has been a bit easier in the last few months. Normally I expect to be able to get a space if in the West Car Park before 8:15 but it can be later, especially on Mondays and Fridays.
Title: Re: Swindon Station car park - Getting a space Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 04, 2012, 01:02:20 I hope that commendably prompt reply helps with your query, hoover50 - and welcome to the Coffee Shop forum! :)
Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: JayMac on August 08, 2012, 18:32:55 Still not finished. I was in Swindon today and the station forecourt is still a noisy dusty building site. Made two taxi journeys from/to the station and both taxi drivers were highly critical of the new layout. First one described it as "Swindon's most expensive patio", and the second said the new pedestrian crossing is "an accident waiting to happen".
So, John R and bobm, it would appear you are not alone in voicing your concerns. With regard to the pedestrian crossing, it appears that someone is aware of the potential confusion with traffic all flowing in the same direction but with the taxi lane independently signalled (see photos below). Modern Pelican crossings direct the pedestrian to look at a red man/green man display that is positioned in line of sight of approaching traffic. Pedestrians can then be reassured that traffic has stopped because they are looking in that direction. However, a lot of people focus solely on the road traffic (myself included) and on seeing it slow and stop assume it is safe to cross. With two separate flows travelling in the same direction and independently signalled I can see it would be all to easy for a pedestrian to see the main flow stop and assume it is safe to cross. Thwack! Crunch! Bounce! as they are hit by a taxi who has a green light. :o Some decidedly unofficial signs have been placed at the crossing to warn people of the dangers from merging taxis. If those signs are needed then Swindon Borough Council/Network Rail need to seriously look at altering this pedestrian crossing. Yes, the crossing is safe if used correctly, but we all know that people will often look at the traffic flow rather than the red man/green man display before deciding whether to cross. Thought process: Traffic has stopped. Red man will soon turn to green so I know I can cross. F**k me, why is that taxi not stopping? This is gonna hurt. Regain conciousness. What happened? (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Swindonplaza1.jpg) (http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Swindonplaza2.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: bobm on August 08, 2012, 19:29:05 The "most expensive patio" is an oft used quote in the local paper - The Swindon Advertiser.
I too passed through Swindon today. I cannot believe how long it is taking. Wonder if I will see any progress when I return in 10 days time! Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: ellendune on August 13, 2012, 19:47:03 News on the traffic system.
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9871276.Cabbies_say_station_revamp_is_a_hazard_for_pedestrians/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9871276.Cabbies_say_station_revamp_is_a_hazard_for_pedestrians/) Quote CABBIES have criticised the newly-completed taxi rank outside Swindon station and claimed the pedestrian crossing is ^an accident waiting to happen^. As work on the ^1.8m revamp of the station forecourt nears completion after nearly 12 months, the taxi rank and bus stop has been finished and the hollow shell of the Millenium Clock has been brought out of storage. But those plying their trade in the station have said they are less than happy with the new layout and say it does not work for pedestrians or transport access, with a crossing that gives people mixed signals. One driver, Kevin Midgley, who has been a cabbie in the town for 13 years, said: ^The light system is an accident waiting to happen. One set is for the taxi lane and another set is for the buses and other traffic. ^If you stand there and watch you will see how many people walk out in front of buses or taxis. I would say there have been a couple of near-misses. ^I don^t know why they have bothered doing anything to it at all, it^s a bit of a waste of money. People getting off the train just want to get away from the station as soon as possible, not sit down and have a coffee in a plaza.^ The overhaul, which has involved months of disruption, has also seen spaces for taxis reduced from more than 40 to around 30. But Danny Ringham, who started a new career as a taxi driver just three weeks ago, said the finished product was an improvement on the upheaval of the work, which has been ongoing since last September. ^It^s not as bad as it was, when we had queues down Gloucester Street,^ he said. ^The only problem is once you are on the rank you cannot get out until it^s your turn, which is a problem if there^s an emergency or you want to try somewhere else.^ Forward Swindon said the scheme was intended to give pedestrians priority through an uncluttered space which will feature seating, planting, lighting and the Millennium Clock, while taxi ranks, drop-off points and bus stops will be in well-defined locations. Of the new Puffin crossing, a spokesman said: ^The Puffin crossing is the latest highways approved design and is being introduced throughout the UK as a safer type of crossing than the old style Pelican, using a lower level red/green man indicator and push button. However, due to the design of this crossing being a relatively new concept in the UK, we are going to include some additional, repeater indicators to warn pedestrians of oncoming traffic.^ Title: Re: Swindon Station car park - Getting a space Post by: winnie99 on August 14, 2012, 16:53:15 Not sure if I should have started a new post but my question is very related to this one: I've never had to park at Swindon to get the train but I do have to go there 1 day in September. What are the chances of being able to find a parking space at the station arriving at about 4pm or should I just head straight to one of the town centre car parks and then walk? If a town car park - which would you advise? Having not been there before I'm a little concerned that I turn up, then can't find a space and then miss my booked train. thank you for your help.
Also do you know if I'm in the station car park from 4pm to 12.30am (8.5 hours) - is this considered 2 days parking as I've gone past midnight or just 1 day? Title: Re: Swindon Station car park - Getting a space Post by: ellendune on August 14, 2012, 19:16:57 At 4pm you should have a reasonable chance of finding a space. I think the ticket machines do work only up to midnight, but if you pay using APCOA connect (suggest you register first on the internet www.apcoaconnect.com/ (http://www.apcoaconnect.com/)) then it seems to give you 24 hours from when you pay so it would only be one day.
Title: Re: Swindon Station car park - Getting a space Post by: winnie99 on August 15, 2012, 07:56:03 great, thank you
Title: Re: Swindon Station car park - Getting a space Post by: JayMac on August 15, 2012, 08:13:14 And a warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum winnie99. :)
Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 29, 2012, 21:52:36 An update, from the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9897159.Station_forecourt_work_set_to_miss_deadline_again/):
Quote Station forecourt work set to miss deadline again (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/2136365/?type=articleLandscape) Construction workers on site at the ^1.8m Swindon rail station forecourt revamp Work on the ^1.8m railway station forecourt project is to go on beyond the completion deadline again ^ almost a year after it began. Earlier this month Forward Swindon, who commissioned the overhaul, said it hoped contractors would be finished at the site by the end of this month, but with workmen still hard at it, the company admitted that target was now unlikely. The scheme, which was part of Swindon Council^s vision to improve the town centre, has been beset by problems from the beginning. Contractor Britannia Construction, which started the work in late September last year, initially hoped to finish by the end of June but blamed the wettest months on record in April and May for the delays. Also, additional utilities work has also been required since the site is crossed by a number of major pipelines and drainage systems, none of which were evident at the start. The final stage of the project has seen the installation of 500 tons of natural granite to create the 2,000sq metre forecourt area. Ian Piper, CEO at Forward Swindon, admitted the previous deadlines had been ambitious. ^We hoped to see the station forecourt works completed by the end of the month and we are disappointed that they are still not finished,^ he said. ^But the key concern for Forward Swindon is that the result is a high quality environment for all those passing through the station forecourt every day, and the contractors are now at the final stage. This is a key regeneration project for Swindon and it must create an impressive and welcoming entranceway to the town, so Forward Swindon have not been prepared to compromise on quality. ^The anticipated completion dates were perhaps too ambitious considering the work involved, especially when taking into account the appalling weather this year, but the station has been open for business throughout the project and we^re sure the new forecourt will be of great benefit to Swindon in the long term.^ At least three million people pass through the station each year, including visitors and commuters from the London to Cardiff mainline, and the project was earmarked as a priority project for Forward Swindon to deliver this year. More than 50 per cent of the cost was met by central government with the remaining funding from Network Rail and the council. Swindon Labour Group Leader Jim Grant said: ^Obviously it is very disappointing that the completion of the station forecourt refurbishment has been further delayed. With there now being broad cross-party agreement about where regeneration needs to take place it is the job of the council^s administration to ensure these projects are done within budget and on time. Clearly with this project the Conservative administration have failed to do this and I hope this will not follow a similar pattern with other regeneration projects.^ Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: bobm on August 29, 2012, 22:01:07 According to my weather station there has been 0.52 inches of rain in Swindon today - so that will delay it again!!
Swindon weather (http://www.mbob.co.uk/weather/banner.php) (edited to add the evidence!) Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 20, 2012, 23:15:53 See the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19633652) for details - absolutely fascinating! :)
Title: Re: In Pictures: Vast collection of GWR artefacts donated to Swindon museum Post by: Phil on September 21, 2012, 08:19:28 A fabulous collection indeed, though it was really sad to read the final paragraph: "Until Sunday 30 September some of the items from the Harry Collection will be on display at STEAM"
Far better that this collection should be on permanent display to the public, not put straight back into storage again. I'm sure that's what Mr. Harry would have wanted when he bequeathed it to the museum. Never mind - it's good to have even a glimpse of it. Wonderful stuff. Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 26, 2012, 17:53:34 From thisiswiltshire (http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/leisure/music/9949300.Rail_station_revamp_firm_in_line_for_top_award/):
Quote Swindon rail station revamp firm Britannia Construction in line for top award The contractor behind Swindon^s delayed railway station forecourt upgrade has been shortlisted for firm of the year award by a business magazine. Britannia Construction, which started the work late September last year, hoped to complete the project by the end of June ^ however, it remains unfinished due to delays blamed on the weather and the discovery of underground services. But on Monday, Insider South West revealed that the firm was one of just three shortlisted for construction firm of the year in its annual Insider South West Property Awards 2012. The other nominees are Midas, and ACD Design and Construction. The magazine, which will announce the winner in Bristol on October 18, says the awards are ^designed to reward those businesses and individuals performing at the top of their game^. All shortlisted companies, projects and buildings were selected by judges from the property industry, as well as South West Business Insider editor^s, Neil Tague. But taxi driver Max Walker, who has complained about the delays, said: ^I wouldn^t have thought they^re entitled to any reward given the delays. In my opinion it should have been finished six months ago, you can build a block of flats in about three months.^ Forward Swindon commissioned the ^1.8m project to provide a more impressive and user-friendly gateway to Swindon. Ian Piper, chief executive of Forward Swindon, said: ^I think that^s great news for Britannia. Certainly we^re very pleased with the quality of what they^ve done at the forecourt.^ Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: ellendune on October 11, 2012, 22:14:39 Was at the station on tuesday and I got the distict impression that the work had finally finished! Correct me if I am mistaken.
Could it be that this work, which started in August 2011 and which was due to take 6 months is finally finished after 14 months? Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: bobm on October 11, 2012, 22:19:21 I think it nearly is. I was there on Wednesday (yesterday) and there were some orange crowd barriers surrounding a small area to the right of the entrance by the gas meter cabinet and adjacent to the the payphones and post box. I'll check if they are still there in the morning as I head for the train.
Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 17, 2012, 13:18:43 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-19978319):
Quote Delayed Swindon station forecourt revamp complete A ^1.8m revamp of the forecourt at Swindon railway station is finally complete, more than three months after work was planned to finish. Work to modernise the area began in August 2011 and was due to be completed in June, but it was beset by delays due to heavy rain over the summer. The local authority's economic development body, Forward Swindon has overseen the work. Chief executive Ian Piper said he was "delighted" with the result. He said: "We set out to really improve the environment at the station and change that really important gateway for the town. We think it looks fabulous and the feedback we've had has been really positive." The area to the front has been paved with granite and lined with trees to highlight the route to the town centre. A new taxi rank provides room for 14 cabs with an additional route for taxi drop-offs and emergency vehicles. Mr Piper said the "wettest spring and summer for 100 years" and the building contractor "underestimating the complexity of the paving work" led to the delay in completing the project. Nikki King, landlady of the GW hotel and bar which overlooks the station, said the new design had "made a lot of difference". "It's just taken a long time to get there and trade is picking up for us," she said. Title: Re: Swindon Station Plaza Post by: ellendune on October 18, 2012, 16:49:35 From the Swindon Advertiser http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9992820._/ (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/9992820._/) Quote The revamp of Swindon railway station has been completed three months behind schedule. The project was meant to be completed in June but was delayed by bad weather. The scheme, which was part of Swindon Council^s vision to improve the town centre, was beset by problems. Contractor Britannia Construction, which started the work in September last year, initially hoped to finish by the end of June but blamed the wettest months on record in April and May for the delays. Additional utilities work was also required since the site is crossed by a number of major pipelines and drainage systems, none of which were evident at the start. Ian Piper, the CEO at Forward Swindon, said: ^The anticipated completion dates were too ambitious considering the work involved, especially when taking into account the appalling weather this year. ^But the station has been open for business throughout and we^re sure the new forecourt will be of benefit to Swindon long-term.^ The area to the front has been paved with granite and lined with trees to highlight the route to the town centre. A new taxi rank provides room for 14 cabs with an additional route for taxi drop-offs and emergency vehicles. Strange about being three months late. The BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-14727900 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-14727900)originally said on 31st August 2011: Quote Swindon train station forecourt refurbishment beginsContinue reading the main story Related Stories Station upgrade reaches new phase The first phase of a ^1.75m facelift for the forecourt of Swindon railway station has begun. Swindon Borough Council plans to turn the taxi rank and bus stops outside the station into a paved area, lined with benches and trees. Contractors will begin by creating a temporary taxi rank so work on the station can start properly over the next fortnight. The work is expected to take six months to complete That would have meant completion in February 2012 so I make that 8 months late. Title: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: bobm on June 19, 2013, 10:11:23 This bridge, just to the east of Swindon station, used to be the most bashed bridge on the network. It has dropped down the list in recent years but was again the scene of an incident this week when a lorry - whose driver admitted using a sat-nav - came to grief
From Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10490177.Getting_stuck___s_not_a_lorry_fun_in_first_week_on_the_job/?ref=mr) Quote (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/2497744.jpg?type=articleLandscape) IT was a case of a bridge too low for one lorry driver after his vehicle became wedged under an infamous town centre bridge. The lorry stuck fast under the Whitehouse Bridge yesterday afternoon, forcing drivers to find an alternative route into the town centre. Police were called to the scene at about 12.10pm and closed the road while they helped to free the vehicle. A police spokesman said the bridge had not been severely damaged and the driver had to make contact with his employer telling him of the issue ^ just three days into his current job. The driver who was left red-faced was travelling from Frome and said that he had not seen signs about the height of the bridge. He said: ^I was following the sat nav and did not see the signs. ^I would definitely say that there need to be clearer signs leading up to the bridge. ^There was not much of an impact because I wasn^t going fast enough but I went under just enough to get the reflector stuck. ^There is no damage to the bridge or the cab. ^The engineer has said that someone else did it just a couple of weeks ago.^ Network Rail were informed of the incident but there was no disruption to the trains and no damage to the bridge, which has become infamous for catching out drivers. A council spokesman said: ^There are ordinary warning signs on the approach, and there are flashing vehicle-activated warning signs. ^Then there is the bridge itself, which apart from looking extremely low is painted yellow, and has a band of reflective chevrons attached. ^There is also a sign on the side showing its height, accompanied by the words ^Low Bridge^ in huge letters. We^re struggling to think of anything else we can realistically do.^ This road was cleared by 2pm and the driver was given a penalty notice by police. I am not sure I agree about the lack of signage cited by the driver. I went and had a look for myself this morning. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/bridge.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/bridge2.jpg) As the council spokesman said "what else can you do!" Title: Re: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: Red Squirrel on June 19, 2013, 11:11:37 Thanks for that! The phrase 'laugh out loud' (at least in its acronymic form) is rather over-used these days, but all of us at Squirrel Towers hooted when we scrolled down to the bottom picture!
Title: Re: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: Electric train on June 19, 2013, 21:45:44 As the council spokesman said "what else can you do!" Trim the overhanging shrubbery. This bridge used have a lot more spans over the road, used to catch a lot of lorries out as it tapered so the would get wedge halfway through Title: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: Super Guard on July 13, 2013, 12:54:52 Others will probably know more, but just as I finished yesterday afternoon, there were messages going out that there was a total loss of signalling affecting the Swindon area, with HSS services being diverted via the B&H route and no services between Chippenham & Didcot Parkway.
It was suspected a line-side fire near Kemble affecting 90meters of cabling might have been to blame, with severe disruption ongoing for Friday afternoon peak. Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: Jason on July 15, 2013, 09:26:23 It was suspected a line-side fire near Kemble affecting 90meters of cabling might have been to blame The monitors beneath the main departure boards at Paddington on Friday ~17:15 were showing a picture also posted on twitter of some burned out line-side cabling. I don't have access to it here to be able to repost it. Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: JayMac on July 15, 2013, 14:30:46 Here is the picture you refer to, Nosaj:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BO-63mpCUAEPu48.jpg:large) https://twitter.com/NetworkRailPAD/status/355708360001212416/photo/1 According to reports, the fire actually started on adjacent land and spread to the cabling. See: http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10545942.Train_passengers_face_delays_following_fire_near_track Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: TonyK on July 15, 2013, 17:01:23 With the whole lineside being tinder-dry, it's amazing this has only happened once.
Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: Red Squirrel on July 15, 2013, 17:06:50 With the whole lineside being tinder-dry, it's amazing this has only happened once. ...which makes me wonder why the cables aren't better protected - or am I (as usual) being naive? Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: JayMac on July 15, 2013, 17:14:24 I guess you can only protect from so many eventualities. Should Network Rail be looking to mitigate against fire damage encroaching from off railway property? To do so across the network would be, I'm guessing, prohibitively expensive.
Like a lot of 3rd party problems that affect the rail network, it's a margin call. Spend oodles protecting against a freak event? Or manage the problem when one of those freak events occur? Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: TonyK on July 15, 2013, 18:15:44 I guess you can only protect from so many eventualities. Agreed. It isn't likely to happen often enough to merit spending a huge pile of cash. Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: bobm on July 15, 2013, 18:51:06 I guess you can only protect from so many eventualities. Agreed. It isn't likely to happen often enough to merit spending a huge pile of cash. I also agree. However I am also a little concerned that damage to a cable run at Kemble (on the line between Swindon and Gloucester) affected signalling from Didcot to Chippenham which prevented not only services from London to Bristol but also to South Wales. There must be some very strange cable routings.... Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: TonyK on July 15, 2013, 20:12:50 I am thinking that at some point in the not very distant future, the idea of electric cables being used to convey vital information from signaller to signal will be see in much the same way as semaphore signalling is today - quaint, surprisingly robust and reliable, but with far too many parts, and far too much human interaction. The future probably will involve GPS and the biggest WiFi network ever dreamt of.
Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: JayMac on July 15, 2013, 20:22:48 Reports say the cable damage occurred near B&Q in Swindon. That's a few hundred yards down the Golden Valley line from its junction with the GWML at Swindon.
So, yes, on the face of it it does seem odd that that the whole FGW network fell down that afternoon. One can only assume that initial prognosis affected the junction at Swindon and the GWML in the Swindon area, thus knocking out all services through Swindon. Without being in Swindon Panel at the time we can but speculate. Although I think it's safe to say they didn't deliberately shut the GWML. Fail safe is the maxim so better safe than sorry perhaps. Knock on delays affected me that day, but I'm philosophical. Less tolerant however about the dire First Bus services in Somerset I was exposed to that day. Taunton, once the heart of Southern National following deregulation, is slowly becoming a desert with regard to country bus services. Those that remain are terrible time keepers operated by hand-me-down buses that should be on the scrap heap. Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: Electric train on July 15, 2013, 20:41:58 Bad bad bad boys who used ridgiduct so close to the surface, the use of this in the Southern Routes for electrification and plant cabling is prohibited on or near the surface. The type of plastic used does not self extinguish when it get a light as its meant to be buried.
Even cables in concrete troughs do not always survive lineside fires. Its easy to say why don't Network Rail cut down the vegetation around cable routes .......... do you have any idea how many ten's of thousands of miles or cabling there is, folks jump up and down when NR disturbs natural habitat, the biggest reason the travelling public just not willing to pay the cost of clearing all the veg around cable routes Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: TonyK on July 15, 2013, 20:48:41 Less tolerant however about the dire First Bus services in Somerset I was exposed to that day. Taunton, once the heart of Southern National following deregulation, is slowly becoming a desert with regard to country bus services. Those that remain are terrible time keepers operated by hand-me-down buses that should be on the scrap heap. I think that is way of the future, sadly. On the signal failure, you would think that B & Q would have had a bit of twin-and-earth at a reasonably price. Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: bobm on July 15, 2013, 20:57:06 Knock on delays affected me that day, but I'm philosophical. Me too - but I had a lovely journey from Reading to Swindon via Newbury, Trowbridge and Bath Spa! Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: TonyK on July 15, 2013, 21:47:59 Me too - but I had a lovely journey from Reading to Swindon via Newbury, Trowbridge and Bath Spa! That stirs a memory of a Monday some years back when I had to attend a meeting in London, starting then at Parkway. On such occasions, I always booked a seat in the carriage behind the restaurant car, knowing that I would get free coffee and croissants. An announcement told me that because of over-running engineering works, I could get the train before and arrive 10 minutes late. But no coffee. Or I could get the train I booked on, guzzle free coffee and pastries, but be in Paddington an hour late. No contest. I decided that if I was indispensable to the committee, they would wait. If I was not, they would start without me. Then as the train pulled in, I saw the chair of the group in coach A, looking stressed, so I knew I was in the clear. We reversed to Dr Day's Junction, then embarked on the most wonderful railway tour, via Trowbridge, Westbury, Newbury etc. People pay good money for that sort of tour, and I was only disappointed when the journey home went to plan. Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: trainer on July 15, 2013, 22:35:23 One of the delights of Sunday engineering on the GW main line some years was the regular ramble around the Avon and Kennet Valleys when my company was paying the fare (I paid the 1st Weekend upgrade). I had all day, so was able to sit back and savour the scenery at off peak prices. However, the return the following Friday was full price, full trains and full-on hassle. I feel for those who just want to get home and not have a magical mystery tour.
Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: JayMac on July 15, 2013, 23:03:11 If only we could all pitch up at anytime for a Magical Mystery Tour.
Here's a few photos of some semi-famous Liverpudlians pitching up in a chippy in my hometown whilst on a Magical Mystery Tour. 13 years after these Scousers popped in, a 7 year old bignosemac would get a bag of scrumps from the self same chippy. 7 years old and allowed up the shops on my own. I even used to get Mum's 20 Dunhill International from the newsagent next door, along with my 10p mix up. The current Chinese proprietors of the chippy still have the pictures of the Scousers on the wall. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/the-beatles/9581457/The-Beatles-unseen-pictures-from-filming-of-Magical-Mystery-Tour.html?frame=2357439 Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: TonyK on July 16, 2013, 07:28:24 I understand they do a fab no. 27.
Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: patch38 on July 16, 2013, 10:12:17 Bad bad bad boys who used ridgiduct so close to the surface, the use of this in the Southern Routes for electrification and plant cabling is prohibited on or near the surface. The type of plastic used does not self extinguish when it get a light as its meant to be buried. Most of the cabling between Swindon and Kemble is currently in Rigiduct while the redoubling goes ahead to allow it to be moved around as new ballast is delivered and graded. A lot of the original concrete ducting is stacked lineside presumably to be re-used when the final alignment is put in place. Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 31, 2013, 14:26:12 Many thanks for posting that useful information, patch38 - and, with apologies for our tardiness in doing so, may I offer you a rather belated warm welcome to the Coffee Shop forum! :-[
Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: patch38 on July 31, 2013, 16:19:17 Many thanks for the welcome, Chris. I have been lurking for some considerable time and finding the Forum both highly informative and fun. I'll chime in again when I have something useful to contribute. I'm keeping a close eye on the Swindon - Kemble work from a handy vantage point ;)
Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: IndustryInsider on July 31, 2013, 21:28:36 I'm keeping a close eye on the Swindon - Kemble work from a handy vantage point ;) Any useful titbits of information on that would be very useful when the blockade starts. Title: Re: 12/7 Total signalling loss at Swindon Post by: TonyK on July 31, 2013, 22:30:05 And welcome from me too, patch38! Photographs would be particularly of interest. I have a sister-in-law who uses Kemble regularly - she doesn't drive - and refuses to believe that this time, it's for real. We're all agog to see how it is progressing.
Title: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on August 21, 2013, 10:59:03 Just discovered this website http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/index.php (http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/index.php)
Looks like an exciting project to preserve Swindon panel after it is taken out of service next year and I will be following it with interest. They have a meeting at 11am on Saturday 14th September followed by a visit to Swindon panel. I think it is great that some of the more modern infrastructure is being preserved and the plan to make it "work" with a computer simulator running behind it is something I'd love to see happen. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on September 14, 2013, 19:23:06 The group held a meeting today to outline their plans and allow people a chance to see the panel in action.
The group have "bought" the panel from Network Rail for a nominal ^1 and will take possession as soon as it is taken out of use (expected to be during 2014). Negotiations with an unnamed heritage site to install and run the panel are at an advanced stage. It was a fascinating three hours both hearing their plans and seeing the work of the signallers. Two men controlling all movements between Uffington and Thingley Junction, Kemble and Hullavington assisted by a clerk. No doubt more pictures will be appearing on the preservation group's website. However here are a handful of ones I took. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swigen.jpg) Looking along the length of the panel - Chippenham in the foreground looking towards the London end (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swiswi.jpg) Swindon Station area (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swimkm.jpg) Just for grahame, a diverted West of England service (top) coming off the Melksham line at Thingley, just after a Bristol bound train has passed on the main line (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swrelay.jpg) A view of the relay room which makes it all work! Even though it was lunchtime on a Saturday it was pretty busy with freight trains and engineers' trains on the move and technicians working on the line at Hullavington needing to contact the panel to carry out routine work. However all dealt with calmly and without fuss. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Trowres on September 17, 2013, 19:11:23 Glad to see you left me out of the photographs, Bobm. I must have been standing behind you at the Melksham end of the panel! :D
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on September 17, 2013, 20:15:11 I probably have you in "unpublished" photos then. I tried, where possible, to keep faces out of it!
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 17, 2013, 21:32:48 Hmm. ::)
Having met both of you, I can only comment that if you were standing behind bobm, Trowres, you probably wouldn't have been able to see much of the panel. :o ;D Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on September 17, 2013, 21:41:41 You cheeky so and so. ;D
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Phil on September 18, 2013, 13:06:43 No personal attacks, please gentlemen.
Title: New passenger lift at Swindon Post by: bobm on October 01, 2013, 11:39:10 Work has been completed at Swindon to convert the old goods lift to a passenger lift for the benefit of those using the higher level drop off point.
Since the rebuilding work at the front of the station there has been a small layby for about four or five cars just past the entrance. This new lift means there is now step free access from the bigger drop off area and short stay car park behind platform 4. It brings you out right by the gateline. It is also handy for those meeting pre-booked private hire vehicles who don't use the taxi rank. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swilift.jpg) Title: Max speed through Swindon and an idea further west Post by: John R on October 20, 2013, 20:51:37 About 6 years ago the maximum speed through Swindon was reduced from 125(?) to 85, when the up turnout at Rushey Platt was improved to enable a faster entry to Platform 3. By reducing the linespeed to 85, it removed the need to have the turnout approach controlled, as the diverging speed is only 10mph lower.
At the time it was (rightly) justified as the number of services passing through Swindon without stopping were very low (maybe just one each day). However, with IEP coming, draft timetables indicate that there could be at least one if not two each hour. So, would it make sense to reinstate the higher speed, which would mean that trains travelling from the Hullavington route wouldn't have to slow to 70 for Royal WB, then accelerate back up only to slow again a couple of minutes later? Talking of Royal WB, a slightly (ok, maybe more than slightly) off the wall thought is to grade separate the down Hullavington, running just to the south of the aggregate depot. As well as the benefit of removing the conflict with the Up route from Chippenham, it could a) increase the line speed on the South Wales route, b) enable the current up loop to be moved slightly further west and c) that would create space for a station immediately east of the junction, with fewer issues with pathing stopping trains. Unlikely? Well, there are several similar schemes either recently completed (Hitchin, Nuneaton North), in progress (N Doncaster Chord, Ipswich curve) or well advanced in the planning process (Norton Bridge). And whilst the business cases for all these schemes are different, they demonstrate the benefit of incremental improvements in the railway infrastructure. Title: Re: Max speed through Swindon and an idea further west Post by: 4064ReadingAbbey on October 21, 2013, 14:19:54 Your proposal to grade separate Wootton Bassett Junction has, I would suggest, merit. As generally the number of trains per hour per line has been steadily increasing year for year over the last two or three decades the incidence of delays caused by conflicting movements has increased - and on this route especially the traffic density will increase again with the introduction of the Super Express Trains (aka IEP) on the Bristol route. Grade separations are especially valuable where long freights can block junctions for extended periods compared to shorter and more rapidly accelerating passenger trains.
You correctly point out that Network Rail is spending money on several grade separation schemes at the moment in various parts of the country, there are three on the Western alone - Acton Yard, additional bridges and tracks at Airport Junction and those at Reading. I would hope that these, and the others that you mention, would be the start of a rolling programme. In the first instance I would suggest that potential sites on the Western would be where the train density is highest, for example Didcot, Westerleigh Junction, Bristol Parkway to separate the Bristol and South Wales flows and Southcote Junction in Reading where the Newbury and Southampton routes part company. This later sees, roundly, a Freightliner train per hour in each direction on the Southampton route and if these could be kept separate as far as possible from the increasing number of trains on the Newbury route (possibly by a third track as far as Oxford Road Junction) then the Reading area would cease to be a major source of delays. Grade separated junctions are seen to be expensive, but I am not sure this is necessarily the case on a whole-life basis. Once they have been built the infrastructure is practically permanent - bridges last for 100 years and more. On the plus side trackwork can be simplified and the on-going maintenance is eased as the track-to-track alignment is no longer so critical. I have read somewhere that the cost of a Signalling Equivalent Unit (a point end or a signal, etc.) is in the region of ^300k quite apart from the Civils' costs. So taking out a couple of turnouts (sorreee!) and some of the associated signals would save something like ^1million. I would expect such a programme to exist in its own right - but it should be that such issues are considered whenever a large civils or re-signalling scheme is being considered. Title: Re: Max speed through Swindon and an idea further west Post by: IndustryInsider on October 21, 2013, 15:34:38 Agree with both posters' comments. Wootton Bassett Junction is an ideal candidate for future grade separation with the number of trains likely to increase, and the opportunity to dramatically increase the linespeed as a result would help the business case. I would put Didcot East Junction higher on the list of schemes that will be needed as I can see that becoming the pinch point on the GWML following the improvements at Reading, and Southcote Junction isn't far behind in that regard.
There will always be pinch points of course as whenever you spend money at one location which allows for more trains, the next location starts to struggle more, but those three locations would benefit now let alone in the future, and are more important, in my opinion, than further redoubling of the Cotswold Line for example. Title: Re: Max speed through Swindon and an idea further west Post by: brompton rail on October 21, 2013, 18:09:13 Just as a point of interest, the Doncaster North Curve (actually at Joan Croft, some 5 miles north of Doncaster) is not a grade separated junction. The new line crosses the ECML by bridge, otherwise a flat junction would be required! It is a new line linking the Immingham line with the Knottingley line to allow freight direct access towards Yorkshire Power Stations. without travelling along the 125mph East Coast main line. Direct and shorter route for freight (imported coal), reduced freight on ECML, greater reliability for ECML High a Speed services.
Title: Re: Max speed through Swindon and an idea further west Post by: John R on October 21, 2013, 18:21:18 Neither is the Ipswich chord even grade separated. They were examples of infrastructure improvements, though at least the Doncaster one does involve rail over rail.
Title: Re: Max speed through Swindon and an idea further west Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on October 21, 2013, 18:25:36 Agree with both posters' comments. Wootton Bassett Junction is an ideal candidate for future grade separation with the number of trains likely to increase, and the opportunity to dramatically increase the linespeed as a result would help the business case. I would put Didcot East Junction higher on the list of schemes that will be needed as I can see that becoming the pinch point on the GWML following the improvements at Reading, and Southcote Junction isn't far behind in that regard. There will always be pinch points of course as whenever you spend money at one location which allows for more trains, the next location starts to struggle more, but those three locations would benefit now let alone in the future, and are more important, in my opinion, than further redoubling of the Cotswold Line for example. Agree strongly re Didcot East Junction. As I've said before I think all XC's should run ML between Reading and Didcot and vv to maximise route capacity after trackworks west of Reading are completed. Interesting to try drawing on paper exactly what flyover you'd put in, and where it would land at each end. Title: Re: Max speed through Swindon and an idea further west Post by: JayMac on October 21, 2013, 18:33:37 Remembering also that dive-unders can be an option depending on topography.
Edited to remove grocer's apostrophe. Title: Re: Max speed through Swindon and an idea further west Post by: John R on October 21, 2013, 19:11:26 Maybe there is room at Moreton Cutting?
Title: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 10, 2013, 22:42:22 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10799340.Sensory_Garden_at_Swindon_Station_is_set_to_thrive_again/):
Quote Sensory Garden at Swindon Station is set to thrive again (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/2723075.jpg?type=articleLandscape) Florist Louise Joachim by the Sensory Garden at Swindon Station The derelict sensory garden at Swindon Station may soon be rejuvenated. A flower shop owner has begun talks to take responsibility for the upkeep of the garden, which has long been denounced as an eyesore. Louise Joachim, owner of Wendy House Flowers, is on a mission to make the garden live up to its name once more. She has appealed to First Great Western and the station manager to allow her to fill the garden with a variety of plants which appeal to the senses, including flowers, herbs and fruit plants. The garden first caught her attention after her young son took an interest in trains. ^He is a bit of a train fanatic,^ said Louise. ^Most evenings we are up there making trips or watching the trains, so having been there quite a few times I noticed the garden looking run down. It has been like that for ages and it is such a shame to see it that way. Having seen the regeneration of other stations they have really put a lot of effort into it. With Swindon being at the heart of the rail network, it is a shame people do not make a big deal about it. We make a lot of our rail heritage, but our station looks like a dump.^ Louise wants to make the garden attractive once again, and is offering her services to make that happen. ^I just think it should be somewhere people can enjoy,^ she said. ^It would not just be pretty flowers ^ I want to make the garden live up to its name. I want it to appeal to all the senses, so I would like to grow flowers, herbs and fruit plants. ^There should be things people can touch and smell, where they can indulge themselves. It could be a quiet little haven where people have a place to enjoy nature. The train station is people^s first impression of Swindon, and I want it to be pretty spectacular.^ Louise started Wendy House Flowers after going through the Outset Project for people wanting to start their own business. ^I wanted to focus on where my passion lies, which is floristry, and I thought this would be the perfect time to make the jump,^ she said. ^I have been doing floristry for years, and it is in my blood to be green-fingered. So I did some courses and developed on those skills. ^I have been part of the Outset Project which is offered through the Job Centre to help people start up their own business, providing us with a mentor and additional funding. They teach you all the aspects of business and it has been amazing, a really valuable experience. Everything has come together perfectly since then.^ A spokesman for First Great Western said: ^We are aware of the garden and some of the impressions surrounding it. If a local business is interested in putting some work into the garden to improve it, that is something we would welcome and take into consideration.^ Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on November 14, 2013, 11:24:16 The group has announced it has secured an agreement to put the panel into a purpose built building at the Great Western Society at Didcot.
http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/resources/updates/Swindon_Panel_Update_4.pdf (http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/resources/updates/Swindon_Panel_Update_4.pdf) Title: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 26, 2013, 17:20:45 Signalling problems at Swindon currently means no trains can travel west of the town towards Gloucester, Chippenham or Bristol Parkway.
The 16:30 and the 17:00 Bristol Temple Meads to Paddington services have both diverted via the Berks & Hants line missing out Chippenham, Swindon and Didcot Parkway stops. Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: phile on November 26, 2013, 17:37:14 They can run towards Gloucester because, according to Journey Check, the South Wales trains are diverted that way. Bristol trains diverted via Berks and Hants.
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 26, 2013, 17:43:48 Developing situation... as you say they can now run via Kemble
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Timmer on November 26, 2013, 17:50:11 Hearing that replacement buses haven't turned up at Bath yet for onward travel to Chippenham and Swindon with passengers advised to head to the bus station where their tickets will be accepted.
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 26, 2013, 17:59:31 Journeycheck advising passengers between Chippenham and Swindon to use Stagecoach Service 55. First Somerset & Avon Bus X39 Bristol (City Centre)-Bath Spa, First Somerset & Avon Bus 231 Bath Spa-Chippenham, First Somerset & Avon Bus 319 Bath Spa-Bristol Parkway, Stagecoach Bus 94 Cheltenham Spa -Gloucester, Stagecoach West Buses 20/21 Stroud (Town Centre)-Stonehouse (Main Street) and Stagecoach West Bus 14A Stroud-Stonehouse-Gloucester services are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Timmer on November 26, 2013, 18:27:46 Thoughts with all those trying to get home tonight as this is causing major delays and cancelations at both ends of the line.
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Electric train on November 26, 2013, 19:03:47 Thoughts with all those trying to get home tonight as this is causing major delays and cancelations at both ends of the line. I was on the 16:12 ex Padd (stopper to Reading) this evening which made its usual progress towards Ealing Broadway when we stopped at the signal just by the new dive under, after a short while the drive announced that we would not be stopping at Ealing Broadway or Southall :o much shock to some; we were crossed over to DN Main in front of a HST (think it was 16:15 ex Padd) and then crossed back west of SouthallThere was a unit in plat 4 at Ealing Broadway all decamped no sign of emergency services or any one else for that matter Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 26, 2013, 19:34:52 Passenger taken ill on board a train at the platform at Ealing Broadway.
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: grahame on November 26, 2013, 20:20:31 Hearing that replacement buses haven't turned up at Bath yet for onward travel to Chippenham and Swindon with passengers advised to head to the bus station where their tickets will be accepted. Bus route 231 - takes 65 to 74 minutes from Bath bus station to Chippenham railway station (train takes 15 minutes) Journeycheck advising passengers between Chippenham and Swindon to use Stagecoach Service 55. ... Bus route 55 takes 70 minutes from Chippenham railway station to Swindon (train takes 15 minutes) A slow old journey indeed tonight ... and a reminder of just why the train is so preferable for journeys like these Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 26, 2013, 20:25:09 Of the trains which have run, this is probably the worst affected service.
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swi2611.jpg) Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: John R on November 26, 2013, 21:02:39 I was on that one beyond Swindon. Apparently if left Swindon roughly on time, had to stop on its way to Wootton Bassett following the failure, eventually reversed to Swindon where it came into platform 1. Then had to reverse east to enable it to stand at platform 4 (can't travel towards WB from 1). I suspect that's where the departure time of 1758 comes from.
Finally left Swindon westbound at around 1850, crawled to Chippenham. On departure from Chippenham had a green to red SPAD when the signals failed again, resulting in a further 20 minute delay. Finally terminated at Temple Meads 3 hours late. Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: SDS on November 26, 2013, 21:04:53 Update at 20:16: 1A33 20:30 Bristol TM to Paddington will run booked route
Update at 20:14: Temporary block working is in place, a reduced service will be running booked route. 1C20 15:30 Paddington to Weston SM was originally trapped in the area with no signals which explains the delay. What with all these recent NeR failures, someone really needs to kick NeR into touch. And now as im writing this there is a points failure at AML affecting Up Relief Line and trapping 2P82 18:37 Banbury to Paddington and 2G61 20:46 Greenford to Paddington. Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: SDS on November 26, 2013, 21:05:28 Passenger taken ill on board a train at the platform at Ealing Broadway. Ambulance attending to a person having a heart attack on 2R49 at Ealing Broadway. :-( Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Brucey on November 26, 2013, 21:35:34 Those connecting with other transport in London were also severely delayed tonight.
London Overground had no service on the North London Line and West London Line plus delays on the South London Line due to a signal failure at Willesden Junction. A lineside fire at London Bridge closed London Bridge, Charing Cross and Cannon Street NR stations during the main part of the rush hour. Parts of Victoria were also shut to prevent overcrowding. There were also problems on the Hammersmith & City, Circle, District and Metropolitan Lines tonight. Signal failure at Aldgate plus induced delays on parts of the line to increase services elsewhere affected by the London Bridge signalbox fire. A number of Underground stations have been opened and closed at various times to reduce crowding. So overall, not a good evening for anyone trying to make most journeys involving travelling through London tonight. Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 26, 2013, 21:38:09 Also delays and cancellations on the Marlow branch after a passenger was taken ill at Cookham.
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Alan Pettitt on November 26, 2013, 21:45:42 For the first time in at least two months I decided this morning not to travel today but work from home, oh what it is to be clairvoyant! Seriously though, I wish all of you, wherever you happen to be stuck, a speedy remainder of your journey.
Title: Re: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: bobm on November 26, 2013, 21:51:57 Another one this week...
From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10832582.Lorry_wedged_under_low_bridge/?ref=mr) 25th November 2013 Quote (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/2746564.jpg?type=articleLandscape) DRIVERS are being advised to avoid the town centre area after a lorry struck a bridge. Police officers received a call to the bridge in Station Road at approximately 12.30pm, following reports that the bridge had been hit. Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Mookiemoo on November 26, 2013, 21:55:07 I bailed out and decided to spend an extra night at a friends.
Spent over 90 mins wtrying to get from monument to paddington (I was on the tube that caused the failure at all gate) I popped up at pad only to find everything cancelled Decided it wasn't going to be my night Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: SDS on November 26, 2013, 22:06:02 A lineside fire at London Bridge closed London Bridge, Charing Cross and Cannon Street NR stations during the main part of the rush hour. Parts of Victoria were also shut to prevent overcrowding. According to Tyrell "Core Incident message: 20London Bridge Signal box area is completely out of use due to a fire in the relay room." Latest Internal Update on Tyrell. Southern: Major delays through London Bridge owing to signalling problems Trains are now running again between London Bridge and Norwood Junction via Forest Hill and also between Norwood Junction and London Bridge via Tulse Hill. Trains will still have residual delays of up to 60 minutes. FCC: Major delays through London Bridge owing to signalling problems. Trains can call again at London Bridge but are being delayed by up to 30 minutes. A trespass incident is causing delays of up to 30 minutes through Tulse Hill. Trains on this route are already being delayed because of the signalling problem that has occurred at London Bridge. Southeastern: Major delays through London Bridge owing to signalling problems. Train services running to and from this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 90 mins or revised at short notice. FGW: Signalling problems between Ealing Broadway and Acton Main Line. Train services between Swindon and Bristol Parkway/Gloucester/Bath Spa may be cancelled or delayed at short notice owing to signalling problems. LUL Status: District Line - Severe delays between Earls Court and Richmond and Ealing Broadway between Barking and Upminster to prevent overcrowding due to disruption on National Rail services.Minor delays on the rest of the line. Hammersmith and City Line - Severe delays due to an earlier signalling problem at Aldgate. Circle Line: Minor delays due to an earlier signal problem at Aldgate. Metropolitan Line - Minor delays between Harrow on the Hill to Watford due to an earlier signalling problem at Aldgate Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Electric train on November 26, 2013, 22:14:59 A lineside fire at London Bridge closed London Bridge, Charing Cross and Cannon Street NR stations during the main part of the rush hour. Parts of Victoria were also shut to prevent overcrowding. According to Tyrell "Core Incident message: 20London Bridge Signal box area is completely out of use due to a fire in the relay room." Ooooo nasty ............. so glad the project I did to replace the power supply to the LB Sig box was last Christmas and I am not doing it this Christmas there were enough nervous senior managers and directors about a year go if this had happened they would been a panic and the work would have been canned. Title: Re: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: Electric train on November 26, 2013, 22:17:19 Good grief .................... when will NR learn to but bigger signage up on that bridge and paint it in a bright colour ::) ;D
Title: Re: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: eightf48544 on November 26, 2013, 22:39:07 Time for the Magdeburg solutions which I've advocated before.
First a substantial RSJ portal some 10 m or so in front of the bridge to take the roof off the lorry so it can get under the bridge without damaging it. Second 600 volt tram wires under the bridge. I suppose we can't have such solutions as they would be deemed too cruel to lorries. Title: Re: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: Alan Pettitt on November 26, 2013, 23:04:32 Raise the road and install a level crossing.
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Southern Stag on November 27, 2013, 00:40:46 The London Bridge problems caused some of the worse disruption I've seen recently. There were no trains running at all through London Bridge for over 2 hours, right in the middle of the evening peak. The whole peak service from Charing Cross, London Bridge and Cannon Street was basically suspended. At various times London Bridge, Victoria and North Greenwich had to be closed because of the resulting overcrowding. The queues for the High Speed services to Kent stretched half the way round St Pancras station and were being controlled by the the BTP. All in all, a pretty bad day for the rail network.
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: SDS on November 27, 2013, 15:31:23 ...and were being controlled by the the BTP... Oh dear, god help those passengers. Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 27, 2013, 20:54:36 Hmmm..I'm sure BTP were an asset rather than a hindrance.
There are posters up at Bath Spa this evening signed by both Network Rail and FGW apologising for yesterday's problems. Part of it says "However, despite best efforts of the teams on the ground, we know there weren't enough buses and taxis for everyone." It goes on to say "There have been far too many track and signalling problems recently, and we appreciate your patience while Network Rail works to resolve the underlying issues." Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 28, 2013, 21:36:09 More details from the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/10839011.Cable_caused_railway_chaos_in_Swindon/), including a report from "Our own correspondent" (my emphasis below)
Quote A SINGLE cable caused chaos on the train lines on Tuesday night as a total signalling failure affected all routes through Swindon. At 5.30pm, the defective cable between Swindon and Royal Wootton Bassett temporarily shut down all lines through the town. Two trains in the area at the time were brought to a standstill for more than an hour and were forced to pull back to the closest available station. While replacement bus services were scrambled, many passengers were forced to hire taxis to get them to their destinations, with one, Mike Catris, of Cardiff, even having to pay for a taxi from Bristol to Heathrow to ensure he did not miss his flight. Delays of up to two hours were experienced on some journeys as diversions were put in place, and the 9.11pm service from London Paddington did not arrive in Swindon until 12.23am. Passengers took to Twitter to vent their frustration at the delays. @adamczuk wrote: ^It was horrific. It took me four and a half hours to get home and First Great Western couldn^t care less. Zero customer service at Swindon.^ @Deeley_s posted: ^Five and a half hours after leaving Bath I made it to Swindon.^ A passenger named John R, who was on the 3.30pm service from London Paddington, posted on the Great Western Passenger^s Forum: ^It left Swindon roughly on time, had to stop on its way to Wootton Bassett following the failure, and reversed back into Swindon. A spokesman for First Great Western said: ^Services were running through Swindon again within an hour and a half of the problem occurring, and by 11.30pm, all services were running as normal. ^There were two services that could not pass through Swindon, and had to go back to the station. ^Between eight to 10 replacement buses were ordered immediately to transport passengers while Network Rail worked to fix the problem. ^The first arrived on site at 6pm, within half an hour of the problem. ^We would like to apologise to passengers for the inconvenience caused by this fault.^ A spokesman for Network Rail said: ^A faulty cable has been identified as the cause for the loss of signalling power, which meant that no trains were able to run between Swindon and Wootton Bassett until a temporary measure was put in place at 6.30pm. ^The fault was rectified at 11.30pm Tuesday to enable full services to resume.^ Network Rail^s route managing director for Western, Patrick Hallgate, said: ^It was a very difficult evening for everyone and I would like to apologise to passengers caught up in the delays.^ Investigations into the cause of the faulty cable are ongoing. The signalling system in Swindon, which has controlled railway traffic though a hub within the station since 1968, is due to be upgraded when it is centralised at Didcot next Easter. Danny Scraggins, Network Rail operations manager, said: ^This system will close next May, when the signalling moves to Didcot. The new model will be computerised so will be superior.^ Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: lordgoata on November 29, 2013, 10:25:23 Quote Danny Scraggins, Network Rail operations manager, said: ^This system will close next May, when the signalling moves to Didcot. The new model will be computerised so will be superior.^ Yeah, because computers never go wrong ... ::) Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: bobm on November 29, 2013, 10:27:53 They also got his name wrong - it is Danny Scroggins....
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: ChrisB on November 29, 2013, 10:59:07 Won't prevent the power failures recently experienced either...
Title: Re: Signalling problems Swindon - 26 Nov 13 Post by: Electric train on November 29, 2013, 18:40:03 Quote Danny Scraggins, Network Rail operations manager, said: ^This system will close next May, when the signalling moves to Didcot. The new model will be computerised so will be superior.^ Yeah, because computers never go wrong ... ::) Won't prevent the power failures recently experienced either... The problem with the old type electrical signalling from PSB is the communications from it to the relay rooms is radial cables, the same with the power supplies they are radial feeds, the modern systems have two data lines which have divers routing (ie one data line goes east the other goes west) the power supply systems are dual end fed with an auto reconfig system (ie it will automatically switch out and the around a faulty cable) Title: Re: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: bobm on February 28, 2014, 22:15:11 And still they bash...
From Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/11046073.Horsebox_stuck_under_Corporation_Street_bridge/) Quote (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/2896934.jpg?type=articleLandscape) A HORSEBOX has become wedged under the Whitehouse Bridge in Corporation Street heading towards the TK Maxx roundabout. Police officers are in attendance attempting to stop traffic, which has backed up, so they can free the vehicle. A police spokesman said: ^The horsebox became fully stuck under the bridge at around 4.54pm and officers were sent to the scene to manage the traffic. There were no horses inside the vehicle.^ Title: Re: Whitehouse Bridge, Swindon Post by: wabbit on March 01, 2014, 23:13:48 You can't teach that!
Title: Re: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: bobm on April 01, 2014, 12:11:57 Not sure when the "thiriving" is supposed to start, but the garden still looks uncared for and currently sports two daffodils which I guess re-grew from last year's bulbs. Shame.
Title: Re: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: grahame on April 01, 2014, 12:23:33 Not sure when the "thiriving" is supposed to start, but the garden still looks uncared for and currently sports two daffodils which I guess re-grew from last year's bulbs. Shame. May be an idea to ask Louise Joachim if she would like "friends of station" help ... under the auspices of a Community Rail Partnership ;) Edit to add ... OK - I have details and am asking! Title: Re: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: grahame on April 20, 2014, 20:27:28 Progressing this one ... will report back ...
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on May 24, 2014, 07:08:42 Network Rail has announced a delay in the closure of Swindon Panel and the transfer of control to Didcot. It was originally going to be the August Bank Holiday weekend but will now be Christmas this year or Easter 2015.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 24, 2014, 18:19:03 Blimey! That's a fair bit of slippage in the dates - four months, or possibly eight months? :o
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on May 24, 2014, 20:04:07 At face value it does seem a long delay but I guess you need more than an ordinary weekend to do it and after August the next bank holidays are not until Christmas or Easter.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Railfriend on May 25, 2014, 15:34:41 bobm, where did you read about the delay in closing Swindon Panel? I can't find any references to it on Network Rail sites. Was it something that someone at NR mentioned to you and isn't yet announced? Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on May 25, 2014, 21:05:06 It was an announcement given to members of the Swindon Panel Preservation Society last week.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: ellendune on May 26, 2014, 16:25:13 Swindon Advertiser now has the story: (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/11236480.August_closure_of_signal_system_is_derailed/)
Quote August closure of signal system is derailed NETWORK Rail announced this week that the closure date for the Swindon Panel, the outgoing signalling system at Swindon train station, has been postponed. It was originally due to be removed during the August bank holiday but has been postponed for either three months to Christmas 2014 or seven months to Easter 2015. The panel was due to go on display in Didcot after the signalling system for the South West is centralised later this year, but that time-frame has now been extended. Danny Scraggins, of the Swindon Panel Society, said: ^While it is disappointing that we won^t gain possession of our panel asset as soon as we would have liked, this does actually work fairly favourably for the Society. ^The building at Didcot will be a lot further progressed, if not completed, by the time the panel closes. The extra time allows us further breathing space in fundraising for the move. ^It^s possible that it could even give us the time to raise enough to secure the ^whole lift^ option, which would bring great benefit to the speed and ease of the move and the reinstatement. ^It would almost certainly be true to say that securing a ^whole lift^ operation in December 2014 or Easter 2015 will see the panel working at Didcot earlier than if it was a ^dismantle^ job in August 2014.^ Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on May 26, 2014, 16:38:36 A reminder of the Swindon Panel Society's website, which contains a wealth of information about the panel, and also a link to the membership and donations webpages managed on behalf of SPS:
http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/index.php Membership: http://www.heritage-ops.org.uk/product/205/ Donations: https://www.heritage-ops.org.uk/product/207/ Title: Swindon - facilities, improvements, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: bobm on June 21, 2014, 07:49:30 Travellers passing through Swindon will no doubt have noticed the old water tower just to the west of the station which once supplied the railway works.
In the winter, when the trees are not in leaf, I can see it from my office and bemoaned the fact that some yob had managed to climb to the top of it and daub their so called artwork on the side of the tank itself. However in the last week or so work has begun to refurbish the structure and it is now covered in scaffolding and plastic "shrink wrap" (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/watow2106.jpg) Although no longer used, it is a Grade II listed structure and I am pleased it is being refurbished rather than following in the steps of Dawlish signalbox. The consultants' report contains some photographs of the current state of the tower and the work needed. http://pa.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/BE1A31FA025CCDD3939A40BB1645B4A1/pdf/S_LBC_12_1391-APPRAISAL_OF_EXISTING_STRUCTURES_PART_1-370387.pdf (http://pa.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/files/BE1A31FA025CCDD3939A40BB1645B4A1/pdf/S_LBC_12_1391-APPRAISAL_OF_EXISTING_STRUCTURES_PART_1-370387.pdf) Title: Re: Swindon Railway Works water tower Post by: ellendune on June 21, 2014, 07:53:17 Sorry link does not work
Title: Re: Swindon Railway Works water tower Post by: bobm on June 21, 2014, 07:59:17 Strange - it does for me, although I agree it is rather slow to respond.
It can be found from the Swindon Borough Council planning applications portal. Application S/LBC/12/1391. The consultants' report is in four parts classed as Background Papers. Title: Re: Swindon Railway Works water tower Post by: Electric train on June 21, 2014, 08:18:50 This of course is just one of several water towers the one on the Rodbourne Road being the iconic one.
The GWR Works Fire Station was located in the yard under the Water Tower in this thread, also during BR (W) days the M & EE training school I did several courses there through the 1980's on air con, wiring regs oh an several weeks on "craft inter-changeability" Title: Re: Swindon Railway Works water tower Post by: bobm on August 31, 2014, 08:52:02 In the last few days the covers have come off and the newly repainted water tower looked very good in this morning's early sunshine. Still some work to be done at the bottom, and I assume the banner will be taken off the top after its "fifteen minutes of fame".
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/newwat.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/newwat2.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon Railway Works water tower Post by: Electric train on August 31, 2014, 16:27:45 The works had its own well if I recall correctly it was at Rodbourne
Title: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: bobm on November 02, 2014, 19:16:41 From Journeycheck
Quote Swindon: Ticket Office Closure The ticket office will be closed from now until the end of the day at Swindon station. Additional Information: Please purchase tickets at ticket vending machines or on train when no other means of purchasing is available. Last Updated :02/11/2014 17:30 ...and then Quote Swindon: Ticket Vending Machine problem The ticket vending machines are out of order at Swindon station. Additional Information: Please purchase tickets on train when no other means of purchasing is available. Last Updated :02/11/2014 18:44 The problem at Swindon is that one of the TVMs is behind the security shutter, so if the ticket office closes so that TVM becomes inaccessible. This has been made worse since one of the other two TVMs has been replaced with a machine where you can only collect pre-booked tickets. Can't help feeling the ToD machine should have been added in addition to the two "always available" TVMs rather than in place of one of them. Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: John R on November 02, 2014, 19:30:53 I wonder whether the pre-booked machine is working? And if it's not, are you OK to travel?
Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: bobm on November 02, 2014, 19:41:08 I was going down to get a ticket that you can't get from a TVM or pre-book so at least the information on line prevented me making a wasted journey in the rain, so sorry John R I'm not going down to check the ToD machine. ;D
Seriously though I expect, and hope, that on-train staff are aware of the problems and so passengers should be able to buy tickets on board without penalty. Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: tomL on November 02, 2014, 20:29:00 I wonder whether the pre-booked machine is working? And if it's not, are you OK to travel? I'd imagine if you kept your reference handy the staff on board would help you. They'd only have to check journeycheck if they hadn't been told already. I think its been mentioned before to 'inform staff on the train as soon as possible' or something along those lines. Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: John R on November 02, 2014, 21:11:06 That's all fine and dandy if travelling by FGW, but what if you have a 5 min connection at Reading or Bristol Parkway onto another operator's services? Are you supposed to miss your train to get your tickets or run the risk that the on board staff of the other TOC's service are as well informed?
Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: tomL on November 02, 2014, 21:36:43 That's all fine and dandy if travelling by FGW, but what if you have a 5 min connection at Reading or Bristol Parkway onto another operator's services? Are you supposed to miss your train to get your tickets or run the risk that the on board staff of the other TOC's service are as well informed? I'd think one or more of the following would be able to take place:
Of course those are ideals, I'm just an average passenger who has seen lenient staff as well as the opposite. ::) ;D Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: ChrisB on November 03, 2014, 12:35:08 That's all fine and dandy if travelling by FGW, but what if you have a 5 min connection at Reading Isn't the minimum connection time greater than that at Reading? If so, you could expect a penalty fare... Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on November 11, 2014, 06:57:46 RailUK Forums are currently conducting a poll to see which preservation project, from a list suggested by forum members, will get a donation of ^500 from RailUK's surplus funds.
One of those listed projects is the Swindon Panel Preservation. Obviously posting here will give folk a fair idea of who I've voted for! Members of this forum, who are also members over there, are of course free to chose whichever project they think would benefit most from the donation. ;) http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=108104 Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 11, 2014, 18:31:56 As a member of RailUK Forums, I, too, have voted over there. :-X
Their poll closes on 16 November 2014, by the way. ;) Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: ChrisB on November 14, 2014, 13:33:35 yup, I've voted. :-)
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on November 15, 2014, 22:04:59 A final bit of canvassing on my part. I think The Swindon Panel Society would really appreciate the ^500 being offered by RailUK. Swindon Panel is a little different from the usual preservation appeals that go on in the railway heritage sector.
The vote closes on 17th November 2014 at 00:18. Any members here, who are embers over at RailUK, please do vote. http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=108104 Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: John R on November 15, 2014, 22:20:20 I've voted too for the Panel.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on November 17, 2014, 00:56:27 Swindon Panel missed out by one vote! :o
At least 50 votes, by my reckoning, were excluded with a retrospectively added rule that new members with a zero post count were ineligible to vote. A very real danger of accusations of rigging for doing that. I've certainly expressed my disappointment at the removal of a fair number of votes. ::) Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: grahame on November 17, 2014, 01:57:09 Swindon Panel missed out by one vote! :o At least 50 votes, by my reckoning, were excluded with a retrospectively added rule that new members with a zero post count were ineligible to vote. A very real danger of accusations of rigging for doing that. I've certainly expressed my disappointment at the removal of a fair number of votes. ::) * Logic suggests that there would have been a different winner had there not been a last minute rule change - otherwise there would have been no point in going to the trouble of changing the rules. * If a vote with a substantive outcome such as this one has a problem, the fair convention is to declare it null and void and to rerun the vote with the problem / rules sorted. * I am a little surprised that who voted for what is published, and the voting isn't secret. Railforums has left itself open to accusations of vote rigging, and of running a vote in which peer pressure takes a role that it shouldn't. Reminds me of a recent local test of opinion ... several comments of "I support your 'yes', Graham, but I dare not say so in public because the 'no' leader is part of my close business community". Congratulations to the Loughborough Gap project; it will be interesting to see if they accept the money or ask for the vote to be rerun in these circumstances. Although Swindon Panel came second, we should not come to any foregone conclusion that it's that project that would have won without the rules being changed after voting. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: grahame on November 18, 2014, 08:42:39 Following up on my own post, there has been considerable activity on the other forum on this topic. Hindsight is a marvellous thing ... and they appear to have sorted things out which looked rather ugly and perhaps unfair yesterday morning.
I'm somewhat re-assured by the statement that the extra votes which were discounted were for none of the top three projects; it seems like they accounted for some 20% of the votes and brought a project which had little support from the regulars out on top. And there is a suggestion that the sign-up-to-vote elements weren't genuine. But only somewhat re-assured; a vote such as this should help encourage new posters (one of our prize competitions was won by someone who signed up to take part ... and has since become a regular, occasionally-posting member) and voting should be secret - not only for the people who vote, but also for the members who choose not to vote and so don't appear on the lists. Contrary to my post as this developed, I now feel that it's reasonable for the Loughborough folks to accept the forum's donation without considering it to be seriously tainted money. We seem to have moved from a possible "rigged vote" scenario to one that's had its problems, but seems reasonably fair in outcome. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: John R on November 18, 2014, 09:52:38 I think it was a reasonable action to take when it became clear that there was an element of vote rigging going on, but it might have been better had the rules been changed once that became clear. Remember that the people running Nat Pres are (I presume) volunteers, have day jobs, and set up the competition in good faith not being experts on ballots. It was clear that some people were looking to take advantage of that lack of expertise, and so it was right to block them.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 18, 2014, 21:16:58 It seems to me that the Swindon Panel Preservation project can take heart from the fact that two moderators and two administrators on RailUK Forums voted for them - a very good level of moral support, even though they were ultimately pipped by just that one vote! ;)
Title: Bridge to replace infamous underpass at Swindon Post by: patch38 on January 14, 2015, 17:03:47 From BBC Wiltshire
Quote Plans have been unveiled to replace an underpass, known as a place for muggings, with a safer footbridge. In recent years, several violent crimes have been committed in the underpass, which links Station Road and the Oasis Leisure Centre, in Swindon. A Swindon Borough Council spokesman said a bid for government cash would be needed for the ^10m project. Last June a man was stabbed to death in the area and earlier this week a woman was sexually assaulted. An attempted robbery and an assault on a woman also took place in the pass, which runs under the railway line, last year. 'Wider benefits' A council spokesman said: "We want to put a pedestrian bridge across the rail line to connect North Star with the town centre but getting it built is linked to the wider regeneration of that area. "The cost of building a bridge will be in excess of ^10m, so we will need to put in a bid to central government for the money and show the wider benefits it will bring. "We won't get funding for that amount simply because a bridge would be safer for users than an underpass - we have to show other reasons as well." Conservative MP for North Swindon, Justin Tomlinson, said: "This should be a thing of the past. "As part of the town centre regeneration we would be better off having a pedestrian bridge with visibility and access," he said. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30792901 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-30792901) Title: Re: Bridge to replace infamous underpass at Swindon Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 14, 2015, 21:32:17 Thanks for posting, patch38. :)
Selected from that particular BBC news item: Quote Plans to replace Swindon 'muggings' underpass (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/80214000/jpg/_80214928_de27.jpg) A council spokesman said: "The cost of building a bridge will be in excess of ^10m ... We won't get funding for that amount simply because a bridge would be safer for users than an underpass - we have to show other reasons as well." How much?? ::) :o Title: Re: Bridge to replace infamous underpass at Swindon Post by: LiskeardRich on January 14, 2015, 21:35:54 ^10m for a footbridge???? :o :o :o
Title: Re: Bridge to replace infamous underpass at Swindon Post by: Electric train on January 14, 2015, 21:43:39 Use to be the canal, my guess they want to put an over bridge in.
^10M don't get you much nowerdays Title: Re: Bridge to replace infamous underpass at Swindon Post by: ellendune on January 14, 2015, 22:53:18 It would have to have quite a long approach ramp as the railway is on an embankment. Also it would need to be quite wide to ensure it was not just as hazardous as the underpass.
Title: Re: Bridge to replace infamous underpass at Swindon Post by: bobm on January 15, 2015, 00:00:04 This is the town centre end of the underpass
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swincyc.png) As has been said you would need quite a high footbridge to clear the railway - even more so with electrification in prospect. It is part of National Cycleway 45 so I would hope cyclists would be accommodated and not faced with "Cyclists please dismount" signs. Title: Re: Bridge to replace infamous underpass at Swindon Post by: grahame on January 15, 2015, 06:06:19 What to the Wilts and Berks Canal Trust think? This is the former North Wilts Canal and although the Wilts and Berks when re-opened will avoid the town centre by quite a way, plans I have seen bring one leg into the town and then head off up the North Wilts, under that bridge again, up to Latton / the River Thames.
I'm not an architect, and my imagination of a great monstrosity rising from the ground on both sides and then crossing above the electric wires leaves me open-mouthed in awe. Is that really needed? I look at the solution at the next underpass along to the west, which is patrolled. And the next public under crossing to the east which is shared with road traffic and becomes very much too busy (as I understand it) to have the same crime problems, even if it has the extra problem of bridge strikes. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on February 18, 2015, 20:48:49 A video news update, from the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-31517814):
Quote All change as Swindon's 1960s signal box departs for museum A signal box, which has kept trains in the West of England on track for the past 50 years, is to be preserved as a piece of railway history. The panel, at Swindon railway station, controls trains over more than 200 miles of track. But from the end of May, a computer in Didcot will take over and the panel will head to a transport museum. Title: Swindon Station building to be converted to housing? Post by: grahame on March 20, 2015, 22:40:25 http://www.flicwiltshire.com/News/General/Planning-application-for-Signal-Point.aspx?#.VQyhIV6FZuY
Quote Winchester Comercio Intrernacional are seeking permission to convert the mostly empty Signal Point building in Station Road into 77x 1 bedroom, 48x 2 bedroom and 1x 3 bedroom apartments. Title: Re: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: Chris from Nailsea on March 20, 2015, 22:50:41 From This is Wiltshire (http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/11868464.Sensory_garden_at_train_station_makes_way_for_police_base/):
Quote Sensory garden at train station makes way for police base (http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/resources/images/3619088.jpg?type=articleLandscape) Louise Joachim in the sensory garden at Swindon station in 2013 (http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/resources/images/3619100.jpg?type=articleLandscape) How the area looks now The long-derelict sensory garden at Swindon train station has now been removed to allow British Transport Police to have a firm presence at the site. Efforts to maintain the small fenced-off patch of concrete, previously filled with a handful of flower pots and a couple of wooden benches, have failed despite ongoing talks for around two years with a local florist. The garden has been largely unused for years, and Louise Joachim, of Wendy House Flowers, approached the station manager towards the end of 2013 to offer her services. At the time a First Great Western spokesman said they would welcome any local business offering to rejuvenate the garden, but after months of enquiries, Louise had no positive offers forthcoming. Now the garden has been removed as First Great Western plans a number of improvements, including bringing police officers back to the station. A spokesman for First Great Western said: ^To make way for further improvements at the station, including the return of the British Transport Police to an on site location, it has not been possible to maintain the sensory garden at its current location.^ Florist Louise had been keen to revitalise the area after her son developed a keen interest in trains, and she found herself spending hours on the platforms. ^There should be things people can touch and smell, where they can indulge themselves,^ she said, setting out her ideas. It could be a quiet little haven where people have a place to enjoy nature. ^I just think it should be somewhere people can enjoy. It would not just be pretty flowers ^ I want to make the garden live up to its name. I want it to appeal to all the senses, so I would like to grow flowers, herbs and fruit plants. ^The train station is people^s first impression of Swindon, and I want it to be pretty spectacular.^ The company has indicated there could still be a role for Louise, as developments will include some new cosmetic work. The spokesman said: ^Recognising the role that rail plays to the local community and to the economy, we will continue to work to ensure that the station remains a bright and inviting environment.^ Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on March 27, 2015, 22:08:05 News today that the closure of the panel may well be delayed for unspecified reasons.
http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/2015/03/27/swindon-panel-decommissioning-deferred-again/ (http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/2015/03/27/swindon-panel-decommissioning-deferred-again/) Quote Unfortunately we have to report that we have been advised by Network Rail today that it is highly likely that the Swindon Area Signalling Renewal, and associated decommissioning of Swindon Panel, will be deferred for a third time. It is not yet clear when the work would be deferred until, this is something that Network Rail will no doubt need to work out. We will report further details as soon as we know them and report as soon as we can on how this affects our plans and expectations for the future. (more in the link above) Title: Re: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: bobm on March 29, 2015, 08:53:21 What looks like a storage unit has now replaced the garden.
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sensgdn.jpg) Title: Re: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: Oxonhutch on March 29, 2015, 09:13:12 I think it's a greenhouse :D
Title: Re: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: grahame on March 29, 2015, 09:19:18 What looks like a storage unit has now replaced the garden. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/sensgdn.jpg) Not unexpected. The British Transport Police require(d) a storeroom at Swindon, and that was the non-operational space required for it. We do have scope for some more robust / community stuff at Swindon (being encouraged by station operator)- discussion for our planning meetings next week. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: TonyK on March 30, 2015, 21:16:18 News today that the closure of the panel may well be delayed for unspecified reasons. Doesn't sound like a disaster to me, more a blessing in disguise. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on March 30, 2015, 21:18:04 For those preserving the panel I'd agree but, as their news release says, I do feel for the Network Rail staff working there who are in limbo a bit.
Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: Bmblbzzz on April 13, 2015, 15:17:58 Last February, I unexpectedly had to make a journey from Chippenham to Bristol. It was a Sunday evening (or Saturday - can't remember now) and the ticket office was closed. There are TVMs, but they were not working. Okay, I thought, I'll get a ticket on the train. I did not see any staff on the train (HST). How will I get through the barriers at BRI? I guess I'll just have to explain the situation and buy a ticket there, hope they will sell me one if I go up to them and ask. But there were no staff on the platform and the barriers were all open! Very odd. Or maybe not odd - I've made quite a lot of journeys Paddington - Bristol late in the evening when the staff haven't come round to check tickets at all. Maybe they just count on the barriers at Paddington, Bath, Temple Meads? Or maybe they don't care?
Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: ChrisB on April 13, 2015, 15:22:40 Money talks.
ie the cost of employing staff is Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: grahame on April 13, 2015, 16:23:51 Last February, I unexpectedly had to make a journey from Chippenham to Bristol. It was a Sunday evening (or Saturday - can't remember now) and the ticket office was closed. There are TVMs, but they were not working. Okay, I thought, I'll get a ticket on the train. I did not see any staff on the train (HST). How will I get through the barriers at BRI? I guess I'll just have to explain the situation and buy a ticket there, hope they will sell me one if I go up to them and ask. But there were no staff on the platform and the barriers were all open! Very odd. ... A couple of thoughts Under "Cap and Collar" - previous franchise from 2005 - around 80% of 'extra' income went to the government which meant that of every ^1000 in extra fares collected at the margin of operations, only ^200 was retained and there was in effect a 400% tax on income for First. It stifled the business case to put extra revenue protection in place, or to have a robust maintenance systems to ensure that TVMs worked 99.9% rather than 98% of the time. Once that system was (thank goodness) replaced, it's taken a while to recruit extra staff, train them, have them in place - and on ticket machines / parts, things take incredibly long ... you can't just buy an "Avantix" off the shelf, and have you noticed that the new TVM at Melksham a taken 6 months longer than promised, and still isn't there. Looking at staff, you've got staff sickness to consider too, and again having people around just in case a colleague is ill is expensive - more than the fares taken. With barriers at all London - Bristol stations on the direct normal route except Chippenham, lighter checks at Chippenham should be OK, though that system isn't as robust as I describe for a variety of reasons that frequent posters will realise. But for on the community end of things, we share elements of the frustration based on the need for income for First, and for good passenger numbers and ticket sales numbers, in order to ensure that future services meet the needs of people travelling. Mind, some of the figures are a bit (or much) higher than was expected and in places there are growth pains ... I can name you some stations where you can't but tickets out of hours (or at all), you're unlikely to see the conductor in the few minutes to the next similar station as you may be standing in a train that's got several coaches. Title: Re: Buying a ticket at Swindon Post by: Bmblbzzz on April 14, 2015, 11:32:01 No, I didn't know about the 'Cap and Collar' system. I'm not too hot on financing and economics generally, but with that proviso, it does sound somewhat perverse. Anyway, my point wasn't so much to criticise FGW or their staff, as to say 'this happens'. I felt a bit guilty at the time about being, albeit unintentionally, a fare dodger. :-[
As for Quote I can name you some stations where you can't but tickets out of hours (or at all), you're unlikely to see the conductor in the few minutes to the next similar station as you may be standing in a train that's got several coaches. I don't know where you're thinking of but I certainly know some that qualify!Title: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: LiskeardRich on May 11, 2015, 22:14:30 Swindon tonight have reached the football league play off final at Wembley on 24th may.
Bad news for FGW bean counters and Swindon fans is no trains between didcot parkway and bath spa/ Bristol parkway that weekend due to engineering works. FGW may need to increase rail replacement bus numbers if Swindon fans all decide to descend on Wembley. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: a-driver on May 11, 2015, 22:33:06 According to some Swindon fans on Twitter, FGW have already 'nicked' all the spares coaches in the area!
https://twitter.com/mwooly63/status/595578278833971200 Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: LiskeardRich on May 11, 2015, 22:34:40 When Exeter city made the play off final a few years ago they ended up drafting in buses from as far away as North Wales, due to engineering works on the railway at the time.
Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: LiskeardRich on May 11, 2015, 22:53:23 Also Ive noticed in the rugby Bath look almost certainly to have a home premiership playoff secured for that weekend. Will be a busy weekend for rail replacement,
Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: TaplowGreen on May 12, 2015, 05:53:46 Congratulations and good luck Swindon! On the "shorter journeys in Devon" thread you will see details of similar playoff problems faced by Plymouth Argyle fans.
Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: TaplowGreen on May 12, 2015, 11:56:16 http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/12944678.First_Great_Western_creating_Wembley_contingency_plan_while_police_say_post_match_arrests_are_possible/?ref=mr&lp=5
...........common sense may yet prevail!!! Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: Timmer on May 12, 2015, 16:35:34 Short of cancelling the works over the BH weekend, I don't see what else can be done. You also have to bear in mind that many Advance tickets have been purchased for the services which are running via different routes and different times than a normal weekend.
Network Rail do a pretty good job of planning work to avoid major events, but you can't expect them not to arrange work in case a football team make it to the play off finals. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: TaplowGreen on May 12, 2015, 17:20:01 Short of cancelling the works over the BH weekend, I don't see what else can be done. You also have to bear in mind that many Advance tickets have been purchased for the services which are running via different routes and different times than a normal weekend. Network Rail do a pretty good job of planning work to avoid major events, but you can't expect them not to arrange work in case a football team make it to the play off finals. I wouldn't necessarily argue with that, but by the sound of it discussions are taking place - there probably aren't enough coaches in the South of England to provide an adequate replacement service - any business needs a degree of flexibility/contingency in case of unexpected events. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: Timmer on May 12, 2015, 17:32:51 I wouldn't necessarily argue with that, but by the sound of it discussions are taking place - there probably aren't enough coaches in the South of England to provide an adequate replacement service - any business needs a degree of flexibility/contingency in case of unexpected events. That's the problem not enough coaches to go round. As a local operator do you a)accept a contract from FGW/NR to use your entire fleet over the weekend b)say no to FGW/NR in case one of the local football teams makes it to Wembley?My theory will be that FGW will lay on extra coaches (from somewhere) to take fans all the way to London rather than just to Reading. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: TaplowGreen on May 12, 2015, 17:48:58 I wouldn't necessarily argue with that, but by the sound of it discussions are taking place - there probably aren't enough coaches in the South of England to provide an adequate replacement service - any business needs a degree of flexibility/contingency in case of unexpected events. That's the problem not enough coaches to go round. As a local operator do you a)accept a contract from FGW/NR to use your entire fleet over the weekend b)say no to FGW/NR in case one of the local football teams makes it to Wembley?My theory will be that FGW will lay on extra coaches (from somewhere) to take fans all the way to London rather than just to Reading. Once again I'm not arguing with you but you're talking about shifting thousands of people in and out of London by coach, they'd need dozens, but I guess the same will apply to get them as far as Reading anyway? I'd be interested in what FGW are obliged to provide in terms of coach capacity when bustitution is in place? Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: bobm on May 12, 2015, 17:53:31 Short of cancelling the works over the BH weekend, I don't see what else can be done. You also have to bear in mind that many Advance tickets have been purchased for the services which are running via different routes and different times than a normal weekend. Network Rail do a pretty good job of planning work to avoid major events, but you can't expect them not to arrange work in case a football team make it to the play off finals. The engineering works have been in a state of flux since the decision not to transfer signalling from Swindon to the TVSC at Didcot over the bank holiday weekend as originally planned. Clearly there will be some other work going on, much of it in connection with the preparatory work on the signalling move. Whether there is a window to give up the necessary possessions for one day of the weekend I don't know. With the work at Box and Bath over the summer, it seems Swindon will not now close until the end of the year apparently. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: grahame on May 12, 2015, 20:10:27 The engineering works have been in a state of flux since the decision not to transfer signalling from Swindon to the TVSC at Didcot over the bank holiday weekend as originally planned. but in the Swindon Advertiser Quote Network Rail say the works have been planned months in advance and the tracks are empty during this period. A Network Rail spokesperson, said: "The work we undertake over public holidays is planned many months and frequently years in advance. Yes, it usually is ... (and was in this case) ... but I think those comments are conveniently simplified in this case. Had the original works gone ahead, I agree it would have been pretty hard to run anything. But now there's a seed of doubt in my mind wondering if this "long way ahead so unchangeable" line is accurate or a just a bit convenient. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: Timmer on May 12, 2015, 20:28:21 Could it be that the work is completed by Sunday lunchtime so services could be resumed by then, even if it's just East of Swindon?
Mind you if Network Rail staff are on strike over the Bank Holiday weekend no one will be going anywhere by train. If I was a Swindon fan heading to Wembley I would rule out using the railway, too much uncertainty right now. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: Western Pathfinder on May 12, 2015, 20:39:52 On this evenings BBC Points West it was stated that there would be no Trains from Swindon just a coach service to Reading good luck to all of those wishing to travel .WP
Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: CLPGMS on May 13, 2015, 10:36:43 A report on BBC South Today suggested that some supporters may decide to drive to Didcot Parkway to catch a train. Good luck to them, as most of the normal service will have been diverted away from there. To be fair, the BBC did report that FGW would be laying on road transport between Swindon and Reading.
Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: TaplowGreen on May 13, 2015, 12:08:29 A report on BBC South Today suggested that some supporters may decide to drive to Didcot Parkway to catch a train. Good luck to them, as most of the normal service will have been diverted away from there. To be fair, the BBC did report that FGW would be laying on road transport between Swindon and Reading. .......I think the challenge will be sourcing sufficient road transport, but they do seem to be pulling out all the stops. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: didcotdean on May 13, 2015, 14:00:30 Indeed there is a measly one fast train and one slow per hour to London on that day from Oxford. Half what is generally provided when trains can't come from Swindon. There may be some DID-RDG-PAD shuttles added.
Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: Adelante_CCT on May 13, 2015, 18:29:37 Indeed there is a measly one fast train and one slow per hour to London on that day from Oxford. Half what is generally provided when trains can't come from Swindon. There may be some DID-RDG-PAD shuttles added. Yes there is 1tph DID-RDG-PAD, down as a turbo (probably 5 car), wether anything extra is done for the Swindon Pax remains to be seen. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: bobm on May 15, 2015, 06:09:55 Seems fans of Swindon's opponents, Preston North End, will also have problems due to engineering work on the West Coast Mainline.
Ever so slightly embarrassing for Preston's sponsors ..... Virgin Trains. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2015, 06:59:17 Seems fans of Swindon's opponents, Preston North End, will also have problems due to engineering work on the West Coast Mainline. Ever so slightly embarrassing for Preston's sponsors ..... Virgin Trains. Pretty embarrassing situation for the railways all round I'd say. .......well getting home from Wembley is no longer a worry for myself and other Plymouth Argyle fans after last night, but good luck to Wycombe who beat us, and also to Swindon Town/Preston - and good luck to their fans trying to travel to Wembley to support them! Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: johoare on May 15, 2015, 07:18:37 I am actually going to this match as my brother supports Swindon.. It's also my very first ever football match.. Luckily I don't have to travel from Swindon and also live close enough to travel direct to Wembley from Wycombe or Beaconsfield (and there don't appear to be any engineering works on that line fortunately) ;D
Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: grahame on May 15, 2015, 11:59:24 Pretty embarrassing situation for the railways all round I'd say. I don't think the railways embarrass all that easily. But marketing wise it is unfortunate in the same way that the lack of trains on Boxing Day is, in that it shows how people can manage perfectly well without trains. This is a huge game this year for both Preston and Swindon, but for one or other it's the portent of things to come - people will go to Wembley as perhaps this first support for the team and will likely start to follow whoever gets promoted. What a pity their first trip will involve less than showcase services, as it will put many off just at the point they could be captured as regular passengers at the start of something. However, the TOCs have been dealt a limited hand and the potentially excellent marketing and extra business for the next year really won't effect the infrastructure provider who have limited capacity to zero at Swindon in the first place (for understandable reasons!) Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2015, 12:26:50 Pretty embarrassing situation for the railways all round I'd say. I don't think the railways embarrass all that easily. But marketing wise it is unfortunate in the same way that the lack of trains on Boxing Day is, in that it shows how people can manage perfectly well without trains. However, the TOCs have been dealt a limited hand and the potentially excellent marketing and extra business for the next year really won't effect the infrastructure provider who have limited capacity to zero at Swindon in the first place (for understandable reasons!) True - they seem quite shameless!!! -I wonder what (if any) pressure FGW have put on NR over the Swindon issue, especially over the revenue they are likely to miss out on, and to what extent NR compensate TOCs in these circumstances? Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: ellendune on May 15, 2015, 13:02:11 True - they seem quite shameless!!! -I wonder what (if any) pressure FGW have put on NR over the Swindon issue, especially over the revenue they are likely to miss out on, and to what extent NR compensate TOCs in these circumstances? They are between a rock and a hard place. I don't think you really understand how much postponing the works is likely to cost. The contractor will need compensating for:
In addition they would have to consider that:
The result would more than likely be further delays to the already delayed GW modernisation programme and a further increase in the already escalated cost. If the extra business was going to be a few ^10's millions is might just be worth it. I suspect the increased costs of the GW improvements programme would far outweigh any increased track access charges. Title: Re: Swindon play off final no trains Post by: TaplowGreen on May 15, 2015, 13:19:38 True - they seem quite shameless!!! -I wonder what (if any) pressure FGW have put on NR over the Swindon issue, especially over the revenue they are likely to miss out on, and to what extent NR compensate TOCs in these circumstances? They are between a rock and a hard place. I don't think you really understand how much postponing the works is likely to cost. The contractor will need compensating for:
In addition they would have to consider that:
The result would more than likely be further delays to the already delayed GW modernisation programme and a further increase in the already escalated cost. If the extra business was going to be a few ^10's millions is might just be worth it. I suspect the increased costs of the GW improvements programme would far outweigh any increased track access charges. An eminently fair explanation, and one which would be better received by thousands of frustrated Swindon fans than "The lines closed, there are replacement buses.....hopefully".............it will also be interesting to consider what effect the NR strike, now confirmed as 24hrs from 5pm 25th May will have? Title: Re: Sensory Garden at Swindon Station Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 08, 2015, 01:39:21 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13564923.Transport_police_move_in_to_new_post_at_train_station/?ref=rss):
Quote Transport police move in to new post at train station (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/4097006/) The sensory garden at Swindon train station has been replaced with a new team of transport police officers charged with manning the Wiltshire rail network seven days a week. Officially opened last Wednesday by British Transport Police Chief Constable Paul Crowther, the team will operate out of two new fully equipped offices, one replacing the former garden. The move has been made to allow for increased availability of officers and quicker response times to incidents arising not only in Swindon, but also the wider area of Wiltshire and south Somerset, on the rail network. The station was previously covered by BTP officers based at Reading and Bath, which meant long response times for officers reacting to incidents at Swindon. Superintendent Matt Allingham, commander of BTP^s Western sub-division, said: ^Swindon sits at a key location between Bath and Reading, along a very busy First Great Western route connecting London with the west of England and Wales. This new post will help us reassure passengers and allow us to provide a visible, proactive policing presence at stations and on trains. This means we can keep disruption to a minimum and keep services through Swindon running smoothly. ^BTP places a huge emphasis on working within the community with our partners like First Great Western, so I am delighted we have been able to strengthen our relationship in this way. As a force we are committed to reducing crime and disruption on the railway and increasing passenger confidence. This new policing post at Swindon will be a big step in the right direction.^ Paula Durrans, head of security for First Great Western, added: ^While total crime across our network continues to fall year-on-year as passenger numbers continue to rise, we very much welcome the BTP to Swindon and look forward to continuing our work with them to maintain the security of our stations and on board our trains.^ The company also moved to assure people the environment of the station would be maintained in the future despite the loss of the garden. A spokesman for First Great Western said: ^To make way for further improvements at the station, including the return of the British Transport Police to an on-site location, it has not been possible to maintain the sensory garden at its current location. Recognising the role that rail plays to the local community and to the economy, we will continue to work to ensure that the station remains a bright and inviting environment.^ Title: Swindon station - facilities, improvements, events and incidents - merged posts Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 07, 2015, 00:18:39 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/leisure/hobbies_art/13643457.Eyes_to_the_skies_for_flypast_in_Swindon_s_tribute_to_Battle_of_Britain/):
Quote Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/4187311/) Swindon's Battle of Britain hero, Squadron Leader Harold Starr As well as fighter planes of the Second World War flying over Swindon on Battle of Britain Day, a locomotive will be named after town hero Harold Starr. Swindon Heritage has set up a series of events to commemorate the 75th anniversary of that fateful day, and our victory, that changed the course of the war. Swindon's own fighter ace, Harold Starr, lost his life when he bailed out of his plane after being hit at 15,000 feet in the skies over Kent. Sqd Ldr Starr was the leader of 253 Squadron. He was machine gunned to death by three BF 109s, as he parachuted from his burning plane. He is buried in Radnor Street Cemetery where the flypast and family day will take place on Battle of Britain Day - Tuesday, September 15. Sqd Ldr Starr's name will also live on through First Great Western's naming of a Class 43 locomotive after him. During the week leading up to the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight, the Swindon Heritage team, led by Graham Carter, have organised a number of events for what has become the Swindon Remembers event, sponsored by First Great Western. Graham said: "The flypast would be a tremendous honour at any time, but on the very day that the country is marking the 75th anniversary it becomes even more special. Swindon Remembers is an open invitation to everybody in the town to join in and help us remember The Few.'' Rob Mullen, general manager for the central region of FGW, said: "We are proud to be naming one of our high speed trains in honour of Harold. It is important as a country that we commemorate this anniversary and remember those who bravely gave so much.'' Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: bobm on September 07, 2015, 07:24:49 Indeed - quite a lot of events planned in the town around the anniversary. As well as the fly-past and naming ceremony, there also talks arranged. The service in the cemetery is being relayed live to the big screen in Wharf Green as well.
Full details are at http://www.swindonheritage.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/swindonremembers-events-sep8-15.pdf (http://www.swindonheritage.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/swindonremembers-events-sep8-15.pdf) I took a walk up to Radnor Street yesterday and after a lot of searching around finally found Harold Starr's grave - one of over 100 Commonwealth War Graves (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/hsgrave.jpg) As an aside the cemetery is high on the hill between the "new" part of Swindon and Old Town and has some great views over the Railway Village. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/rscgen.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: RobT on September 15, 2015, 15:52:51 Article about today's naming ceremony:
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13721191.Prince_Richard_proudly_unveils_train_dedicated_to_memory_of_Harold_Starr_as_part_of_Battle_of_Britain_Day/ Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: RobT on September 15, 2015, 15:55:22 Shortly after the naming ceremony 4 Spitfires and 2 Hurricanes flew over Radnor Street cemetery.
Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: bobm on September 15, 2015, 15:55:44 HST Power car 43023 was duly named Sqn Ldr Harold Starr - one of the few at a brief ceremony at Swindon Station earlier this afternoon.
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/starrhst2.jpg) The ceremony was performed by HRH The Duke of Gloucester (far right) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/starrhst1.jpg) The flypast from the Battle of Britain Memorial flight, which was due to precede the ceremony was delayed by bad weather and took place after (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/fly2.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/fly1.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: ellendune on November 13, 2015, 18:28:50 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14027797.No_trains_through_Swindon_during_weekend_railway_shut_down/) Quote Network Rail plans major signalling works on November 21 and 22 TRAINS will be replaced by buses next weekend when the railway is closed around Swindon to allow Network Rail to carry out signalling works. Replacement bus services will run from Swindon to Chippenham, Didcot and Kemble during the 48-hour shut-down over Saturday, November 21, and Sunday, November 22, which will see no trains run through or to Swindon. During this time Network Rail will be installing and testing a new signalling system which will replace equipment dating from the 1960s and 70s. This, they say, will pave the way for greater reliability and fewer delays for passengers and is necessary for the arrival of the new electric trains expected from 2017. Paddy Gregg, Network Rail^s signalling project director for the Western and Wales routes, said: ^This project forms part of our programme to re-signal the whole of the Great Western route, providing passengers with greater reliability, fewer delays and smoother journeys. ^Our work to increase reliability, together with the ability of the new electric trains to reduce journey times and accommodate more passengers, will also help to drive economic growth across the Thames Valley, west and south west England.^ The work taking place over the weekend of 21 and 22 November is the second stage of the Swindon re-signalling project, which has already seen the installation of more than 700km of signalling and power cables. Around 250 members of Network Rail^s ^orange army^ will be working along 80 miles of railway over the weekend, with testing of the new signalling system being carried out before control of the railway moves from the mechanical signal box at Swindon to the state-of-the-art Thames Valley signalling centre in Didcot early next year. Network Rail said that all signallers who used to work at the Swindon signal box have been moved into other signalling roles, predominantly at the Thames Valley signalling centre. Paddy said: ^Replacing and upgrading 40-year-old signalling equipment is very complex and for safety reasons must be carried out when trains aren^t running. "I would like to thank passengers in advance for their patience and understanding while we complete this essential upgrade that will lead to greater reliability and fewer delays, and pave the way for the advantages electrification and the new electric trains will bring to both passengers and those who live close to the railway.^ The third and final stages of the Swindon re-signalling project will take place early next year, the details of which will be provided later this year. All passengers are advised to check travel information before leaving by visiting www.gwr.com. ------ To date, the Swindon re-signalling project has included the installation of: Eight new under-track crossings Three new under-road crossings Under-track and under-road crossings are large ducts that allow power, signal and telecoms cables to run from equipment on one side of the track/road to the other. 740km of new signalling and power cables 80km of telecoms cables 165 new signal post telephones, enabling train drivers to contact signallers if needed. 109 new signals Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: ellendune on November 13, 2015, 18:30:44 Will this mean Swindon 'A' Panel will close then or will that only happen after a further stage? If so what will this stage cover?
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on November 13, 2015, 18:45:42 This stage covers Uffington to Rushey Platt (West of Swindon). This will leave Wooton Bassett and West therof on the existing Swindon panel until the final stage which was going to be Christmas/New Year 2015/2016 but it looks if its slipping back again (now I wonder why ::)).
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on November 13, 2015, 19:33:32 Will the work in a fortnight's time also include the small bit of the Kemble line that Swindon still controls?
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on November 13, 2015, 20:03:22 Will the work in a fortnight's time also include the small bit of the Kemble line that Swindon still controls? Yes Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: ChrisB on November 14, 2015, 08:25:00 A week's time? Next weekend...
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on November 14, 2015, 08:26:42 It was two weekends away (just) when I wrote it ;D
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 14, 2015, 17:19:40 ... until the final stage which was going to be Christmas/New Year 2015/2016 but it looks if its slipping back again (now I wonder why ::)). Shaw-ly not? :P ::) ;D Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on November 14, 2015, 18:25:57 Dates from a post on the WNXX forum (not sure of the original source for the dates as I haven't seen any official notification yet confirming them):
Uffington to Rushey Platt (excl) - 22/23 November Rushey Platt to Wootton Bassett - 23/24 January Wootton Bassett to Corsham/Hullavington - 20/21 February Different plan to what I understood to be the case. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Adelante_CCT on November 14, 2015, 20:52:57 Quote Uffington to Rushey Platt (excl) - 22/23 November I assume this should read as 21/22 November, otherwise good fun for commuting next Monday! Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on November 18, 2015, 15:14:26 The latest news can be found here on the Swindon Panel Preservation website:
http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/2015/11/18/swindon-panel-update-11-out-now/ Note: The de-commissioning dates and arrangements are more accurate than those published on the WNXX forum :P ::) We seem to have two topics discussing Swindon Panel/Resignalling. Perhaps I could kindly ask one of the moderators to merge them into one (the other is at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=12821). Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 19, 2015, 22:57:02 Thanks for your constructive suggestion, SandTEngineer. ;)
Yes, the two topics were in danger of duplicating input on the ongoing subject, so I've now moved one topic from 'the wider picture' and merged both of them here. I think this helps with 'continuity and ease of future reference'. CfN. ;D Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on November 19, 2015, 23:30:36 Thanks CfN. Being a Moderator on another forum I know that sometimes it can be a pain having to move things around ;)
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on November 19, 2015, 23:32:34 Oh he loves it really. Gets him out of doing the washing up! ;D
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 19, 2015, 23:46:36 Cheeky git! :o ::) ;D
It's really no problem, merging topics in response to any constructive suggestion from a Coffee Shop member: I merely have to look at where best to put the merged topic, and how best to rename it. (I'd far rather spend my time doing that than have to move any topic as a 'damage-limitation exercise', where a member has possibly posted inappropriately, for example - but that happens only once in a blue moon, thankfully!) :-X Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on November 22, 2015, 09:04:57 Just a small update.
The new signals at the west end of Swindon station are lit ready for their first trains, including SW1201 on the end of platform 4. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swisig1.jpg) The old gantry, which was too low for the wires, has been taken down and now lies in the car park. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swisig2.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: ellendune on November 22, 2015, 09:11:16 The old gantry, which was too low for the wires, has been taken down and now lies in the car park. That's sets the time the car park will fill even earlier. Hope they move it away today! Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on November 22, 2015, 09:12:51 As I left a low loader was arriving which I suspect was going to be used to move it. ;)
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on November 22, 2015, 19:30:30 Hot off the press:
http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/2015/11/22/uffington-to-rushey-platt-decommissioning-goes-ahead/ Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on December 09, 2015, 22:21:13 RailUK Forums are currently conducting a poll to see which preservation project, from a list suggested by forum members, will get a donation of ^x from RailUK's surplus funds. One of those listed projects is the Swindon Panel Preservation. Obviously posting here will give folk a fair idea of who I've voted for! Members of this forum, who are also members over there, are of course free to chose whichever project they think would benefit most from the donation. ;) Another poll is being run by RailUK Forums at the moment (December 2015), and again Swindon Panel Society made the shortlist for a donation. This time round two worthy rail preservation projects are in line to receive donations. Poll winner gets ^1000, runner-up ^500. Again, by posting here I've nailed my colours to the mast, but don't let that sway you. If you are a member over at RailUK Forums (with at least 5 posts made before 24th November 2015) take a look at the list of projects and cast your vote. All shortlisted projects were chosen by RailUK Forums' members, and all are worthy recipients. Each project has a link to its website and a link to a post by the forum member who first proposed it. http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=124061 Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 09, 2015, 22:52:19 I am indeed also a member of Rail UK Forums (it's a long story ::) ), but weren't there some issues on a previous occasion over there, when the rules were changed while voting was still in progress? :-X
I'd be happy to cast my vote on this one - provided nobody moved the goalposts in the middle of the game again, so to speak. :-X Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on December 09, 2015, 23:26:55 I am indeed also a member of Rail UK Forums (it's a long story ::) ), but weren't there some issues on a previous occasion over there, when the rules were changed while voting was still in progress? :-X I'd be happy to cast my vote on this one - provided nobody moved the goalposts in the middle of the game again, so to speak. :-X Moving goalposts eh? Have you read my post 'over there'? :P ;) ;D Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 09, 2015, 23:41:42 No, not yet - but I will! ;)
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on December 16, 2015, 17:22:27 The result of the poll is in.
Swindon Panel Society came first and gets a donation of ^1000. http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=124061&page=2 ;D Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on December 20, 2015, 00:53:46 Congratulations to the Swindon Panel Society! ;) :D ;D
Posted quite impartially, obviously. :P Title: Interesting Regulation at Swindon Post by: Gordon the Blue Engine on January 07, 2016, 10:23:19 Came back from Cardiff yesterday after a day out to Penarth (walk back over the Cardiff Bay barrage and then bus back to Cardiff Central, but that^s another story) on 1625 Cardiff ^ Padd. We were late at Wootton Bassett after a door incident at Newport, but preceded (as booked) the 1700 Bristol ^ Padd by a few minutes. At Rushey Platt we crossed to the UR and heading for P1 at Swindon.
Things are a bit busy at Swindon at that time, with 3 up HST^s and the 1736 Swindon ^ Westbury as well. We got held outside Swindon and the 1700 Bristol ^ Padd overtook us on the UM and went in P3. It departed P3 just as we drew into P1 (no doubt having picked up all the passengers for Reading and Paddington). We departed 3 minutes afterwards, expecting to be checked behind the 1700 Bristol - Padd while it called at Didcot (our train didn^t). However, the 1700 Bristol ^ Padd was put over to the UR at Challow and we overtook it, so got a clear run from Swindon to Reading. I can^t recall any similar move with up HST^s between Swindon and Didcot. I^m not questioning or criticising the regulation as it looks like it was quick reactions to emerging events. It was interesting, which I mean in the true sense of the word. Title: Re: Interesting Regulation at Swindon Post by: bobm on January 07, 2016, 19:51:02 With the TVSC now covering the approaches to Challow from the west as well as the four track section they now have a bigger picture which possibly gives them the chance to react better in such situations.
Title: Re: Interesting Regulation at Swindon Post by: Adelante_CCT on January 07, 2016, 20:40:49 'Signalmen' seem to get plenty of stick when it would appear they have made a mistake and not enough credit when they have solved a sticky situation so I would like to add my praise for this in this instance, but.......
Looking at your example from yesterday it would seem that the Swansea was 9 Late at Wootton Basset but 18 late by the time it left Swindon, the Bristol meanwhile was just the 2 late at Wootton Basset, 9 late by the time it was at Didcot which resulted in being 15 late arrival into Paddington. The 17:35 from Cheltenham (P1) was on-time. I can understand not wishing to delay the 17:36 Transwilts service however I see no reason for the Swansea not to have gone straight into P3. Being 9 Late at the time would have resulted in an arrival at Swindon at 17:36, allowing the Westbury to depart on-time (Give or take a few seconds). The Bristol could then have just gone into P1 and both HSTs would have arrived Didcot/Reading around 8 minutes earlier than they ultimately did. Title: Re: Interesting Regulation at Swindon Post by: eightf48544 on January 08, 2016, 10:38:33 Isn't this sort of situation the all singing and dancing digital railway is supposed to solve? I wonder what it's solution would have been?
However what it does illustrate is what I learnt at at Sutton in the sixties that the railway is a true real time system which changes by the second and that any decision can be wrong as circumstances change dynamically. As i know when we shut up Sutton trying to turn a train around, on controls orders, in the Down Epsom Downs platform (4). Couldn't get detection due to signal wire contracting in frost. Still the sledge hammer worked! Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: ellendune on January 24, 2016, 13:01:32 Dates from a post on the WNXX forum (not sure of the original source for the dates as I haven't seen any official notification yet confirming them): ... ... Rushey Platt to Wootton Bassett - 23/24 January Wootton Bassett to Corsham/Hullavington - 20/21 February I have seen a tweets from NR about recovering redundant equipment at Thingley Jn and testing at Westbury. How far is this weekend's commissioning going? Is it going all the way to the interface with the Bristol and Westbury Panels towards Bath and Trowbridge (Not sure where the interfaces are)? Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on January 24, 2016, 13:10:33 As I understand it, after this weekend the only signalling Swindon Panel will be responsible for will be between Alderton Tunnel and Hullavington on the Badminton route. That will then be handed to Didcot over the weekend of the 20/21st February when Swindon Panel will finally close.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on January 27, 2016, 11:29:07 The map at Open Train Times (http://www.opentraintimes.com/maps/signalling/swindon) has been updated following last week's resignalling works.
By combining two maps you can now see the signal aspects from east of Reading to Thingley Junction if that's what you want. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on February 16, 2016, 20:39:17 Just a small reminder that Swindon Panel closes for good this coming Saturday (20 February 2016). RIP :( .......but not quite as the actual panel will then be moved into preservation for all to see at Didcot Railway Centre ;) :)
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: John R on February 20, 2016, 09:59:06 Looks like the honour of being the last train controlled by it fell to the 2245 Paddington to Swansea (according to RTT). RIP.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Red Squirrel on February 20, 2016, 14:37:42 7 - 5 - 5
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Western Pathfinder on February 20, 2016, 16:15:23 Ding Ding.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: TonyK on February 20, 2016, 17:14:18 3-4-2-2
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Western Pathfinder on February 21, 2016, 01:09:43 7-5-5 I think as I'm not aware of what 3-4-2-2 means.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Billhere on February 21, 2016, 10:51:52 7-5-5 Box switching out.
Local bell codes took all shapes and forms (sounds!). They were used as route describers for Signalmen at junction boxes. That one may be one that was used in the Swindon area. At Oxford in the 60's trains going North for either the Bletchley line or the Cotswolds were belled as 1-3 (branch train) regardless of which route they going on. Station North Box used to initiate the bell code for the information of North Junction (for the Bletchley line) or Wolvercot for the Cotswolds. They then reverted to their proper bell code from there on. It was information and saved phone calls. Freight trains for those lines ran as 1-2 instead of the class of freight code used once they cleared Oxford. I used to go to boxes in the Paddington area in the mid 60's where there were special codes for virtually everything. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Stroud Valleys on February 22, 2016, 14:51:58 Now that Swindon has finally closed now :D, what's next on the list of signalling networks to transfer to the Didcot Signalling Centre
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on February 22, 2016, 16:08:16 I read somewhere that part of Bristol Panel moves in the next few months.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: IndustryInsider on February 22, 2016, 16:14:44 To concur with 'Bobm', I believe it was supposed to be Oxford, but I have a feeling that part of Bristol has now leapfrogged the queue and will be done in several stages starting this year.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: SandTEngineer on February 22, 2016, 16:50:05 Bristol is next. I had started a new thread here: http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=16746.0
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: IndustryInsider on February 22, 2016, 17:27:29 I knew I'd read that somewhere. Just forgotten I'd read it here! Thanks, 'SandTEngineer'!
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: TonyK on February 22, 2016, 20:59:02 7-5-5 I think as I'm not aware of what 3-4-2-2 means. I cheated. I'm a former tin miner, not railwayman. At South Crofty mine, Redruth, IIRC from 1974, 3 bells signalled that there were men in the cage, 4-2 was for 380 fathom level, and 2 indicated that the direction of travel was down, as a sort of check digit. So 3-4-2-2 meant "down to 380 level, men on board". Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Billhere on February 22, 2016, 22:01:58 In another lifetime I was escorting a transformer at 4 mph towards Didcot Power Station. 297 tons of load on a 64 wheel trailer, 1 Scammell Contractor at the front pulling, 2 at the back pushing. 64 gears each in a straight line down the middle of the cab.
The head man was in the front tractor and he communicated with the others by bell code. Fascinating day, and a privilege to see true experts moving that sort of weight about. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on April 02, 2016, 08:52:45 Important day for the Swindon Panel Society. The control desk has been taken from the panel building and put on a lorry to take it to the Didcot Railway Centre.
After removing all the control switches and tiles over the last few weeks, the desk was lifted onto a metal frame and slid out onto the adjacent roof. Then, just after 8 this morning, it was successfully hoisted from the roof to the lorry. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/panlift.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 03, 2016, 23:28:01 It's good to see a Mercedes Sprinter van in that scene - although in what capacity I really cannot work out. ;) ::) ;D
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on April 03, 2016, 23:53:48 Looks to be a works van for the lifting/haulage company. Logo on the side of the van matches that on the hi-vis of bloke on the left.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 04, 2016, 00:00:10 Oh. :(
I was rather hoping that the blue crane arm was actually mounted in the back of that van. In which case, I'd have liked one like that in my van. :P Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on April 04, 2016, 00:03:00 More detail on the panel move from the Swindon Panel Society website:
http://www.swindonpanel.org.uk/2016/04/02/history-in-the-making/ From that story one learns that the move of the panel was handled by P&D Specialist Services (http://www.p-dspecialistservices.co.uk/). That's their logo on the van. Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: JayMac on April 04, 2016, 00:05:50 Oh. :( I was rather hoping that the blue crane arm was actually mounted in the back of that van. In which case, I'd have liked one like that in my van. :P To facilitate shopping delivery without missing Radio 2's Popmaster with Ken Bruce perchance? ;) :P ;D Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 04, 2016, 00:08:04 Certainly not! :o
Classic FM for me. :-X Title: Development on Railway Land at Swindon Post by: John R on April 23, 2016, 14:29:07 In the last few weeks work has started on a long but narrow strip of (former?) railway land to the west of the station and south (or south-east to be more precise) of the main line. Does anyone know whether this is railway related, or has the land been sold for development? (I did try Swindon council's planning site, but didn't manage to find anything.)
Title: Re: Development on Railway Land at Swindon Post by: stuving on April 23, 2016, 14:46:19 Do you mean to the west of Rodbourne Road (i.e. past St Marks church)? The rail bridges over Rodbourne Road are due to be removed/replaced at May bank holiday, so is it perhaps a work site for that?
Title: Re: Development on Railway Land at Swindon Post by: John R on April 23, 2016, 15:15:33 Yes it is. It could well be connected, although my hunch is that the groundwork seems to suggest more than just a site compound.
Title: Re: Development on Railway Land at Swindon Post by: RobT on April 23, 2016, 15:50:09 Proposed housing development:
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14372191.Anger_over_Newburn_Sidings_destruction/ Title: Re: Development on Railway Land at Swindon Post by: John R on April 23, 2016, 16:03:27 That's it. Thanks Rob. Looks like there are a lot of challenges in developing that strip of land and that the work under way is more of an investigative nature (having chopped down all the mature trees >:( ).
Title: Re: Development on Railway Land at Swindon Post by: RobT on April 23, 2016, 16:06:45 Found this as well John:
http://www.lshauctions.co.uk/national/lot/27856 Title: Re: Development on Railway Land at Swindon Post by: ellendune on April 23, 2016, 20:38:03 Found this as well John: Noted that the lot was withdrawn prior to sale. http://www.lshauctions.co.uk/national/lot/27856 Title: Swindon as a day trip destination Post by: grahame on July 06, 2016, 15:57:04 I was saddened as to how little information was available at the station ... or at the TIC when I walked up the town. Yet there's a lot to do. Draft trifold ... initially doing a very short run (couple of dozen) for the West Wilts Rail User Group this weekend, but may produce some more / do a significant run.
http://atrebatia.info/swindonvisit.pdf There's a serious sponsorship opportunity here; I do need to look at mapping licenses before I do anything more that personal use and for members of the [s]club[/s] group I'm in. Title: Re: Swindon as a day trip destination Post by: Richard Fairhurst on July 06, 2016, 23:32:24 Do yell if you need any help with map licences - it's a bit of a speciality of mine, I'm afraid...
Title: Re: Swindon as a day trip destination Post by: grahame on July 07, 2016, 08:53:55 Do yell if you need any help with map licences - it's a bit of a speciality of mine, I'm afraid... Will do, thanks. I've just arrived in Swindon .. a couple of hours to kill, so I walked into the bus station to check that they didn't have anything. The size of the hole emphasised by my chat with the lady there; Monday to Saturday and Sunday buses radically differ, with different operators and routes for the same part of town on Sundays, and no combined timetable. There's even a special "Swindon Sunday Timetables" booklet. Small comfort, I suppose ... there ARE Sunday buses and the information on them IS available. Town / things to do in Swindon? Not really the bus company's business; "refer to TIC in library" was advise - probably the best advise to give, yet really not good. Title: Re: Swindon as a day trip destination Post by: bobm on July 07, 2016, 09:01:56 Indeed if you want both of the main operators timetables you have to go to the office at the bus station for Stagecoach and then a five minute walk to Fleming Way to get Thamesdown's.
At least it is now possible to use Thamesdown smartcards on Stagecoach buses. Before you had to use your card to get a paper ticket on a Thamesdown Bus so you could show the Stagecoach driver. Title: Re: Swindon as a day trip destination Post by: grahame on July 07, 2016, 16:55:17 Do yell if you need any help with map licences - it's a bit of a speciality of mine, I'm afraid... That's fantastic - thank. Having a further look today, I think lady luck may be on our side as the map base we used looks remarkable like an OS Open Data set https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/licensing/using-creating-data-with-os-products/os-opendata.html Quote You are therefore able to use the OS OpenData datasets in any way and for any purpose. We simply ask that you acknowledge the copyright and the source of the data by including the following attribution statement: Contains OS data © Crown copyright and database right (year) So I think we just add that line. Have I read that right? Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: bobm on September 08, 2016, 15:34:08 Harold Starr and his brother John were remembered again in Swindon today on what is the 102nd anniversary of Harold's birth.
Two plaques were unveiled by relatives of the pair at the place where they were born. It was then the Central Hotel, which was an alcohol free establishment, but is now the site of a Wetherspoons, having been a cinema in between times. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/starrplq2.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/starrplq.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: SandTEngineer on September 08, 2016, 18:10:56 Crikey that really brings home the fact what short lives they really had........
Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: signalandtelegraph on September 14, 2016, 12:27:32 Nice touch that the nameplates are styled like the original Bullied Battle of Britain style plates. :)
Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 14, 2016, 22:24:25 Bulleid. ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: ellendune on September 14, 2016, 22:30:06 Title: Re: Swindon Heritage events commemorate 75th anniversary, including naming power car Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 15, 2016, 01:23:09 I was merely offering a spelling correction. ;)
Title: Swindon station - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts Post by: bobm on October 20, 2016, 13:22:47 The Duchess of Cornwall has been in Swindon today to mark the official naming of the area outside Swindon Station as Sir Daniel Gooch Place.
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/gooch1.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/gooch2.jpg) One of the pubs opposite - The GW - formerly the Great Western Hotel (it seems we cannot cope with long names anymore) - also has a painting of Sir Daniel. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/gooch3.jpg) It was a letter from Sir Daniel to Isambard Kingdom Brunel which led to the establishment of the railway works in the town and helped it grow from a small market town to a much bigger industrial one. Title: Re: Swindon Station forecourt named after Sir Daniel Gooch Post by: JayMac on October 20, 2016, 15:25:08 A close up of the plaque:
(http://i598.photobucket.com/albums/tt68/bignosemac/Mobile%20Uploads/rps20161020_151113_zpssrhh3fcn.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon Station forecourt named after Sir Daniel Gooch Post by: Chris from Nailsea on October 20, 2016, 17:25:49 In the lower right-hand corner you can still see some sticky finger marks. :P
Title: Re: Swindon Station forecourt named after Sir Daniel Gooch Post by: John R on October 20, 2016, 17:32:19 How odd to name it after the local 'spoons.
Title: Swindon station - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts Post by: bobm on December 23, 2016, 13:03:59 The refurbished waiting room between platforms 1 and 3 at Swindon station has opened.
The opportunity has been taken to add GWR branding and make the place a bit more light and airy. Access is available via automatic doors from both platforms. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swiwait1.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swiwait2.jpg) Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: ChrisB on December 23, 2016, 16:11:01 What is that panel on the end of the seats doing in the second photo?!!
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: ellendune on December 23, 2016, 16:37:04 Stop the draught when the door opens in the winter?
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: bobm on December 23, 2016, 16:37:55 There is a similar one by the door the other side. I think it is to protect people from the elements when the automatic door opens and closes.
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: broadgage on December 23, 2016, 16:38:10 What is that panel on the end of the seats doing in the second photo?!! Perhaps a screen to protect occupants of the end seats from draughts when the door is open ? Edit to add, the previous posts have beaten me to it. Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: bobm on December 23, 2016, 16:39:59 Think the general consensus is it is a draft excluder. ;D
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: devonexpress on December 23, 2016, 20:07:40 I do find it strange GWR went for dots across the windows and not lines as that would match the brand.
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: dviner on December 24, 2016, 13:08:10 I do find it strange GWR went for dots across the windows and not lines as that would match the brand. There's a Health & Safety at Work regulation that refers to doors and windows being appropriately marked so that they are "apparent" (so you don't walk through a closed glass door thinking that it's open). This is commonly achieved using frosted dots at eye level, so it could be a case of just "going with the flow". Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: devonexpress on December 25, 2016, 23:03:11 [quote author=dviner link=topic=17786.msg206746#msg206746
There's a Health & Safety at Work regulation that refers to doors and windows being appropriately marked so that they are "apparent" (so you don't walk through a closed glass door thinking that it's open). This is commonly achieved using frosted dots at eye level, so it could be a case of just "going with the flow". [/quote] Lol if that is true what a load of nonsense, however I cannot see that as why doesn't Exeter St Davids Platform 4 waiting room have this? Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: JayMac on December 25, 2016, 23:07:14 Lol if that is true what a load of nonsense, however I cannot see that as why doesn't Exeter St Davids Platform 4 waiting room have this? Perhaps that one predates H&S guidance and best practice. Before declaring something as nonsense perhaps think of those with less than perfect vision. Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: stuving on December 26, 2016, 00:24:58 "Manifestation" of glazing has been in the building regulations since 1991 or earlier. It was in Part N, but is now in Part K: protection from falling, collision and impact (https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/443181/BR_PDF_AD_K_2013.pdf). This requirement does not apply to dwellings. Here is section 7:
Quote Section 7: Manifestation of glazing Critical locations 7.1 Critical locations (see paragraph 5.1) include large uninterrupted areas of transparent glazing which form, or are part of, the internal or external walls and doors of shops, showrooms, offices, factories, public or other non-domestic buildings. 7.2 The risk of collision is greatest when two parts of the building, or the building and its immediate surroundings, are at the same level but separated by transparent glazing and people may think they can walk from one part to the other. Permanent methods to indicate glazing, and alternative methods 7.3 People moving in or around a building might not see glazing in critical locations and can collide with it. To avoid this one of the following should be adopted. a. Use permanent manifestation to make glazing apparent (see paragraph 7.4). b. Use alternative indications of glazing, such as mullions, transoms, door framing or large pull or push handles (see Diagram 7.1). 7.4 Provide glass doors and glazed screens (including glazed screens alongside a corridor) with all of the following. a. Manifestation at two levels, as shown in Diagram 7.2. b. Manifestation that will contrast visually with the background seen through the glass, both from inside and outside, in all lighting conditions. c. Manifestation in the form of a logo or sign, a minimum of 150mm high (repeated if on a glazed screen), or a decorative feature such as broken lines or continuous bands, a minimum of 50mm high. d. Where glazed doors are beside or part of a glazed screen, they are clearly marked with a high-contrast strip at the top and on both sides. e. Where glass doors may be held open, they are protected with guarding to prevent people colliding with the leading edge. Part of that can be read as saying "put something visible across the width of the window, at suitable heght(s), but avoid narrow lines". There are pictures to help explain this. Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: ellendune on December 26, 2016, 08:48:17 Part of that can be read as saying "put something visible across the width of the window, at suitable heght(s), but avoid narrow lines". There are pictures to help explain this. Yes c) says the feature (including a solid line) must be at least 50mm high. Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: JayMac on December 26, 2016, 11:20:59 Lol if that is true what a load of nonsense, however I cannot see that as why doesn't Exeter St Davids Platform 4 waiting room have this? The P3/P4 waiting room at Exeter St Davids has eye level blue strips across all the glazing. The glazing also doesn't extend floor to ceiling. It starts at around knee height. Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: RobT on March 05, 2017, 11:40:29 Not only a refurbished waiting room at Swindon - now refurbished and sparkling toilets too! :o
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: bobm on March 05, 2017, 11:43:32 errr.. I dont think I'll post pictures of those! ;D
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: Bmblbzzz on March 05, 2017, 17:08:17 It looks a lot better than it used to, but it's still Swindon waiting room. I've spent enough time in there, thanks!
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: RobT on May 16, 2017, 13:46:10 Looks like a new waiting room is being built at Swindon, a stand-alone job between platforms 2 and 3 Bristol end.
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: bobm on May 17, 2017, 12:39:51 It could also be very useful for TransWilts passengers leaving from platform 2. ;D
(http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swishe.jpg) Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: Bmblbzzz on May 17, 2017, 15:26:02 Photo taken today by any chance? ;)
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 17, 2017, 15:30:27 Highly likely, in view of it p!ssing with rain. ::)
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: IndustryInsider on May 17, 2017, 15:34:25 Much welcome rain after the very dry first quarter of the year. It's already rained fivefold today on what my trusty rain gauge recorded for the whole month of April.
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: bobm on May 17, 2017, 15:54:55 My trusty rain gauge failed the other day and the new one arrived yesterday so I was out fitting it up the ladder ... er in the rain! ;D
Title: Re: Refurbished waiting room opened at Swindon Station Post by: bobm on May 17, 2017, 16:00:47 Photo taken today by any chance? ;) Indeed - at 12:20pm. Title: Swindon station - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts Post by: grahame on March 18, 2018, 08:51:05 Will the engineering works that have completely closed Swindon to trains over this weekend be completed on time, and will the work planned have all been done - or will we find that the severe weather has hampered / stopped the work and things are not as far forward come tomorrow morning as they should be? If work has been hampered / put off, will resources have been able to be used to good effect to do something else which will help reduce future stoppages?
Serious questions - I really haven't a clue as to what was planned, but I suspect some of our resident experts may be able to fill us in. Title: Re: Question on Swindon works this weekend (17 & 18 March 2018) Post by: bobm on March 18, 2018, 11:06:14 I am not an expert - but there is a series of possessions planned so if there have been delays hopefully there is some slack to catch up in future weeks.
https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/planned-engineering/electrification2018 (https://www.gwr.com/travel-updates/planned-engineering/electrification2018) Quote Didcot Parkway to Swindon and Bristol Parkway The first phase of work will affect services between Didcot Parkway, Swindon, Chippenham, Bristol Parkway and Gloucester. As a result, there will be no trains via Swindon on the following weekends: Saturday 17 and Sunday 18 March Saturday 24 and Sunday 25 March Saturday 14 and Sunday 15 April Saturday 26 and Sunday 27, plus Monday 28 May (public holiday) Title: Swindon Station Expansion Post by: SandTEngineer on May 04, 2018, 10:45:57 There are rumours elsewhere (well, on the WNXX Forum actually) that the former mail platform site at Swindon station (where the former Swindon Panel box stands) is going to be converted into an additional passenger platform. In addition a number of 387 units are going to be stabled overnight at Swindon and they are going to be used on 'crowd buster' services in the morning and evening peaks, both to London and Cardiff. 19 GWR drivers positions are going to be created, with a new sub-depot to Reading being located at Swindon station.
Not sure yet if this is all fact or fiction..... :P Title: Re: Swindon Station Expansion Post by: IndustryInsider on May 04, 2018, 11:32:49 Can't speak about the platform work, but certainly a satellite drivers depot is very much on the agenda as is 387 stabling at Swindon. There are two other satellite depots provisionally planned at Didcot and West Ealing to better match the trains and drivers up at those locations too.
With quite a few Reading and Oxford based drivers living in Didcot and Swindon, and the appeal of any London based drivers who live west of the capital only having to get to Ealing and not having to get into central London, I don't think there will be any shortage of volunteers. Title: Re: Swindon Station Expansion Post by: SandTEngineer on May 04, 2018, 12:03:33 Thanks for that update II. Not all rumour then..... ;)
Title: Re: Swindon Station Expansion Post by: paul7575 on May 04, 2018, 12:37:55 I’ve seen peak extra 12 car trains, (implying 3 x 387) from Swindon in print somewhere, probably a route study or similar.
There’s also a bit about peak extra trains starting from Swindon in the Thames Valley section of the 2015 franchise brief; although that doesn’t mention stock, it can probably be inferred. Paul Title: Re: Swindon Station Expansion Post by: bobm on May 04, 2018, 14:12:18 The up sleeper still calls at Swindon most mornings around 3.15 for staff only. So there must be a few who currently travel to Reading.
Title: Re: Swindon Station Expansion Post by: IndustryInsider on May 04, 2018, 14:22:51 Over both Oxford and Reading depots I would say there's a good twenty or so that live in Swindon or its surrounding villages and the same again, if not slightly more, for Didcot.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: bobm on August 20, 2018, 21:59:03 Been a while since I updated on the progress of the Swindon Panel Society.
This was the scene at Didcot in June 2015 (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/spsjun15.jpg) Roll on to last Saturday's AGM and the building is constructed and in use (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swipandid3.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swipandid2.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/swipandid1.jpg) The panel now "works" thanks to a computer simulation and in the near future it will be open for would be signallers to try their hand at "controlling" trains from Uffington in the east to Melksham in the west as well as part of the routes to Kemble and towards Hullavington. Title: Electric trains at Swindon Post by: bradshaw on November 01, 2018, 08:22:19 It seems the electric service operates as far as Swindon from today. BBC Wiltshire in attendance.
Title: Re: Electric trains at Swindon Post by: ellendune on November 01, 2018, 08:24:22 Already posted on Electrification Thread
Title: Re: Electric trains at Swindon Post by: grahame on November 01, 2018, 08:36:16 Already posted on Electrification Thread At http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=18592.msg250161#msg250161 I will leave this thread here - a valuable milestone record for this particular board - but lock it so that discussions and follow ups are all in the one place Title: Swindon Station to Town Centre "Gateway" Paving To Be Redone Post by: Lee on April 11, 2019, 09:08:08 https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17566057.new-paving-in-swindons-gateway-has-to-be-torn-up-and-relaid/
Quote from: Swindon Advertiser Wellington Street is one of the main gateways into the town centre from Swindon’s railway station. And work on it was a significant part of Swindon Borough Council’s attempts to give the area a bit of a facelift and make it more welcoming for visitors. That work has been delayed through a combination of damaged water pipes under the road and the council’s contractors being asked to take-up and relay paving they’ve already put down, because the authority is not happy with what they have already done. It means the work, which was meant to be finished by early next month, has been delayed significantly. Title: Re: Swindon Station to Town Centre "Gateway" Paving To Be Redone Post by: bobm on April 11, 2019, 09:22:37 There is currently a diversion for pedestrians which makes even the old Wellington Street look welcoming.....
Title: Re: Swindon Station to Town Centre "Gateway" Paving To Be Redone Post by: CMRail on April 11, 2019, 23:28:36 I was in Swindon today and noticed these works.
Opted for the bus to the outlet.. is the underpass still closed? Title: Re: Swindon Station to Town Centre "Gateway" Paving To Be Redone Post by: grahame on April 11, 2019, 23:36:21 I was in Swindon today and noticed these works. Opted for the bus to the outlet.. is the underpass still closed? Nope - open again (daytime) Title: Re: Swindon Station to Town Centre "Gateway" Paving To Be Redone Post by: grahame on April 14, 2019, 21:38:22 I was in Swindon today and noticed these works. Opted for the bus to the outlet.. is the underpass still closed? Nope - open again (daytime) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/bk_100.jpg) Title: Swindon's Railway Village gets a boost as a Heritage Action Zone Post by: grahame on June 06, 2019, 20:24:25 From This is Wiltshire (https://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/17689401.swindons-historic-railway-village-gets-a-boost-as-it-is-made-a-heritage-action-zone/)
Quote Railway Village, which was last year voted the country's favourite conservation area, is getting a boost today Swindon Borough Council and Historic England are, at this moment, formally launching launched a Heritage Action Zone to protect and revitalise Railway Village, an area of Victorian housing and institutional buildings centred around the railway station and lines. The five-year scheme will bring heritage expertise and £1.6 million of funding from Historic England, who will work with the council and other partners to revitalise ... Positive comment from the Mechanics Institution Trust later in the article, but no indication that the Institute is within scope Title: Re: Swindon Station to Town Centre "Gateway" Paving To Be Redone Post by: bobm on June 16, 2019, 09:26:42 https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17566057.new-paving-in-swindons-gateway-has-to-be-torn-up-and-relaid/ Quote from: Swindon Advertiser Wellington Street is one of the main gateways into the town centre from Swindon’s railway station. And work on it was a significant part of Swindon Borough Council’s attempts to give the area a bit of a facelift and make it more welcoming for visitors. That work has been delayed through a combination of damaged water pipes under the road and the council’s contractors being asked to take-up and relay paving they’ve already put down, because the authority is not happy with what they have already done. It means the work, which was meant to be finished by early next month, has been delayed significantly. After the slight over-run outlined above, Wellington Street finally re-opened (without ceremony) last week. It is excellent to see the old very uneven pavement replaced by something much safer. (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/well1.jpg) (http://www.mbob.co.uk/rforum/well2.jpg) Title: Re: Swindon Station to Town Centre "Gateway" Paving To Be Redone Post by: froome on June 16, 2019, 17:21:21 Definitely an improvement, and I'm very pleased to see that a contra flow cycletrack has been installed.
Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: Red Squirrel on September 22, 2019, 21:11:51 Spent a very enjoyable day at Didcot Railway Centre today. I thought I'd pop in and have a look at the Swindon Panel Box exhibit, and it was fascinating - there were very friendly folk on hand explaining how it all works, and letting you set routes and generally play.
Even more fascinating to me, though, was this, which I had no idea had survived into preservation. I could have spent hours staring at it: (https://zemblanity.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/IMG_20190922_143449_crop1_scaled.png) If, like me, you haven't been to Didcot for a while (or - heaven forfend - you've never been!) do go again soon - there is so much to see. Highlights included rides in clerestory and toplight carriages behind 2999 Lady of Legend, and a look at the double twist lever frame under Radstock North Signal Box (OK, I didn't understand how it works - but you had to enjoy the enthusiasm of the poor chap who tried to explain it to me...) Title: Re: Swindon resignalling, closure and preservation of Swindon Panel box (merged topic) Post by: TonyK on September 23, 2019, 11:21:41 I could have spent hours staring at it: Looks like you did, if that clock is right! ;D Title: Councillors lobby for more rail investment - Swindon Post by: grahame on October 11, 2019, 09:09:21 From This is Wiltshire (https://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/17961808.councillors-lobby-rail-investment/?ref=rss)
Quote A new foot crossing under, or over the tracks at Swindon Railway Station, more car parking and improved information screens at the station are all on the council’s wishlist. Two members of the borough council’s cabinet went to parliament to speak to senior staff at Network Rail which owns tracks and stations and railway service providers Great Western Railway. The member for transport and the environment Maureen penny, and for the town centre, Dale Heenan had discussions with Mark Hopwood, the managing director of GWR and Mark Langham, boss of Network Rail Wales & Western at the House of Commons. Title: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: grahame on August 21, 2020, 18:20:03 From Railcam UK (http://news.railcam.uk/index.php/2020/08/21/iconic-building-at-swindon-station-has-a-brighter-future-as-network-rail-takes-back-control/)
Quote Iconic building at Swindon station has a brighter future as Network Rail takes back control One of the most recognisable buildings in Swindon which is right next to the town’s station is set to get a new lease of life after Network Rail took back its ownership on 10 August. Signal Point is steeped in railway history and still bears a huge British Rail logo on the front of the building and now Network Rail has plans to improve its look and present it as an iconic entrance to Swindon. Network Rail have been trying to regain control of Signal Point for some years and have finally got it back into the railway family. It's been an eyesore and would be good to have it fixed. I have heard, though, of Network Rail tenants being less than happy with their landlords ... will Network Rail be using all (or some) of the building for their own purposes - perhaps releasing other buildings in Swindon back to there owners? Title: Re: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: johnneyw on August 21, 2020, 19:21:51 "Iconic" it might be but that doesn't guarantee a pleasing aesthetic. I'm not entirely convinced that it could ever be anything other than a bit of an eyesore although I know it has some value in a post war railway architecture context. I guess it's just a matter of personal taste.
Title: Re: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: stuving on August 21, 2020, 19:43:58 That news item doesn't say what sort of transaction actually happened. Two years ago Signal Point was held under a lease by Narbeth Management Ltd, who had previously proposed to convert it to housing, but then applied for planning permission to update it as offices. What happened to that? Last year SBC listed it as a potential development location for housing ... so maybe the leaseholder got fed up with almost no tenants and no progress towards getting any. In any case, presumably they have now sold the remaining lease back to NR (always the ground landlords).
Title: Re: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: Bmblbzzz on August 21, 2020, 20:44:00 I agree with johnneyw. Ever since I could read the sign, I've known Signal Point as the ugly building next to Swindon station.
Title: Re: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: TaplowGreen on August 21, 2020, 22:46:07 I agree with johnneyw. Ever since I could read the sign, I've known Signal Point as the ugly building next to Swindon station. Same as the virtually identical (and virtually empty) monstrosity that is Intercity House next to Plymouth station! Title: Re: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: grahame on August 22, 2020, 09:38:38 from the Network Rail Media Centre (https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/iconic-building-at-swindon-station-has-a-brighter-future-as-network-rail-takes-back-control)
Quote Mike Gallop, Network Rail's Western route director, said: “We are excited that we can now start to plan how Signal Point and the land around it can be restored in line with plans that Swindon Borough Council have to regenerate the area. "We will now work with the council to help develop Swindon station and the town as a whole.” My bolding ... Title: Re: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: Electric train on August 22, 2020, 10:00:26 Did NR own the land it is on? The freehold lease was coming to an end and NR were not willing to renew the lease without the owners carrying out the structural repairs the building requires.
I wonder if NR will move its Wales and Western Region HQ into it, also the ToC's (GWR etc), part of Andrew Haines PPF (Putting Passengers First) reorganisation is to move NR closer to its customers both ToC's and Passengers Title: Re: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: RichardB on August 22, 2020, 13:00:36 I agree with johnneyw. Ever since I could read the sign, I've known Signal Point as the ugly building next to Swindon station. Same as the virtually identical (and virtually empty) monstrosity that is Intercity House next to Plymouth station! There are big plans for that. https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/news/rail-minister-hears-of-plans-for-intercity-place Title: Re: Network Rail take back Signal Point in Swindon Post by: johnneyw on August 22, 2020, 13:51:27 I agree with johnneyw. Ever since I could read the sign, I've known Signal Point as the ugly building next to Swindon station. Same as the virtually identical (and virtually empty) monstrosity that is Intercity House next to Plymouth station! There are big plans for that. https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/news/rail-minister-hears-of-plans-for-intercity-place Looks like even Plymouth will modernize their station before Bristol (I don't count the Temple Meads roof work as that's just overdue maintenance). Title: Joining at Swindon Post by: grahame on October 26, 2020, 23:04:13 From a Facebook group - a report of 2 IETs (5 cars each) joining at Swindon for the first time. Trains from Cheltenham Spa and Swansea (both via Kemble this week) linked for the journey onwards to London.
As a future with long distance flows down, this could make sense. This week this South Wales both on divert and lockdown, minimal flows through the barriers with people off the Swanseas (I have no measure of through passengers on those trains) - far and away the busiest arrivals are from Bristol Temple Meads (and Weston and Taunton). I can envisage 2 incoming trains per hour from South Wales (Cardiff + Swansea), 2 per hour from Temple Meads (one from Taunton and Weston), 1 per hour from Cheltenham Spa via Gloucester and 1 per hour from Weymouth, going on as 4 trains per hour to London (every 15 minutes, all 9 or 10 car, all calling Didcot and Reading) and 1 per hour to Oxford. The short starters from Bristol and Cardiff serving intermediate stations, especially where the line is electrified. As an aside, noticed a scheduled 8 minute wait scheduled at Swindon for the 07:40 none-stop to Paddington. And (checked with RTT) it arrived a further 5 minutes early. What is the point of having a train wait at Swindon for nearly quarter of an hour just to race to London (4 minutes early at Royal Oak - 08:25; slow entry and just 2 early into the terminus) - or is that a temporary thing because of the engineering. Can't, surely, be a reversion to the old custom of a refreshment stop at Swindon, where WHSmith is open but both platform buffets are closed (and Costa outside doing a notable trade in take away coffees|). Title: Re: Joining at Swindon Post by: bobm on October 26, 2020, 23:49:29 The joining of the two IETs at Swindon wasn?t planned.
The first train from Gloucester (already cut back from Cheltenham due to late running earlier) was cancelled at Swindon due to a lack of a driver to take it forward. So the following service from Swansea was coupled to it on platform 3. There was also another incident at the station today. A Swansea service from Paddington booked to go via Gloucester was routed into platform 4 - but you can?t gain the Kemble line from there. After a 45 minute delay it was reversed out, crossed over and continued its journey. Title: Re: Joining at Swindon Post by: MVR S&T on October 26, 2020, 23:59:50 The joining of the two IETs at Swindon wasn?t planned. The first train from Gloucester (already cut back from Cheltenham due to late running earlier) was cancelled at Swindon due to a lack of a driver to take it forward. So the following service from Swansea was coupled to it on platform 3. There was also another incident at the station today. A Swansea service from Paddington booked to go via Gloucester was routed into platform 4 - but you can?t gain the Kemble line from there. After a 45 minute delay it was reversed out, crossed over and continued its journey. Hope that was a computer error, rather than a human error, as a member of the Swindon panel society, that is pretty much rule one, you cant go to Gloucster from the down main... Title: Re: Joining at Swindon Post by: grahame on October 27, 2020, 05:56:32 The joining of the two IETs at Swindon wasn?t planned. Yes - understood. Currently the only permissive platform is 2, and at 3 carriage length and no 153s around any more, the facility is unused. So a "special" job yesterday. Title: Re: Joining at Swindon Post by: Bmblbzzz on October 27, 2020, 10:48:30 If nothing else I suppose it demonstrates that the 5-cars do have an advantage on occasions.
Title: Re: Joining at Swindon Post by: grahame on October 28, 2020, 07:32:28 The joining of the two IETs at Swindon wasn?t planned. Yes - understood. Currently the only permissive platform is 2, and at 3 carriage length and no 153s around any more, the facility is unused. So a "special" job yesterday. It appears this is complex. Platforms 1 and 3 are permissive, however they are "PP-C / PF" whatever that stands for. It would appear to mean that such moves are permitted, but cannot be planned for (in the timetable? Short notice changes?) Title: Re: Joining at Swindon Post by: Western Pathfinder on October 28, 2020, 07:48:28 This may shine some light on your previous post Grahame
https://www.simsig.co.uk/Wiki/Show?page=usertrack:glossary:permissive_wrkg Title: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: southwest on November 02, 2020, 21:13:04 Does anyone know why Swindon's original platform 4 and building was demolished and replaced by the horrible mess by BR? When was it demolished and replaced?
Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: grahame on November 03, 2020, 02:18:38 Does anyone know why Swindon's original platform 4 and building was demolished and replaced by the horrible mess by BR? When was it demolished and replaced? Swindon's original main line down platform was demolished in 1972, with all express trains from London headed west to Bristol via Bath, and to South Wales, crossing over and calling at the remaining island platform to the north of the high speed through running lines. In those days, crack expresses were less frequent and made fewer stops as the railways battled for a thinner and in general longer distance traffic, and stops were more expensive with trains accelerating slower than IETs under electric power. The crossing over and back of trains that called at Swindon, (virtually every passenger service in due course), became a significant issue that a new platform was opened on the down fast in 2003 (after BR days) to save conflicting movements. Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: Electric train on November 03, 2020, 07:23:35 Does anyone know why Swindon's original platform 4 and building was demolished and replaced by the horrible mess by BR? When was it demolished and replaced? In addition to Graham's post. BR during the 70's and 80's was under pressure to reduce costs and make "economies" The singling of lines is the most obvious economy measure, reducing cost of maintenance and renewals, but even a platform had a running cost in terms of maintenance, lighting, staffing etc so saving could be made. Of course now many of the lines have been re doubled, platforms reinstated, hind sight of course has 20/20 vision Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: southwest on November 09, 2020, 23:26:49 Thanks to you both
Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: onthecushions on November 11, 2020, 21:33:30 From the old maps it looks like the station's emasculation was more connected with development of the office block. Signal Point (its name) has survived its own demolition proposal. A pity they didn't keep the 4-track section with the South platform - looks like there was space even with the tower block. OTC Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: ellendune on November 11, 2020, 22:41:28 A pity they didn't keep the 4-track section with the South platform - looks like there was space even with the tower block. There is an access road between the tower and the new platform which I think is deemed essential as such a large area must have more than one access. Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: onthecushions on November 12, 2020, 17:31:55 Of course. An extra, rear access road must always have precedence over a main railway line. OTC Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: grahame on November 12, 2020, 17:46:29 Of course. An extra, rear access road must always have precedence over a main railway line. OTC Yes, still that sort of thing. Billions for a tunnel under Stonehenge approved today against planning advise, and still a single track with just a few loops on The Mule, with electrification expired before Chippenham and even before the end of the outer suburban Service on the Berks and Hants. How will the tunnel be when measured against climate targets? Title: Swindon railway station a 'gateway' for drug trafficking Post by: grahame on March 05, 2021, 20:45:44 From the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-56263107)
Quote Swindon railway station a 'gateway' for drug trafficking Swindon railway station has become a "gateway" for young people bringing class A drugs into the south west from London, police say. British Transport Police says good public transport links to the capital means criminals are sending children to ferry drugs via the town. The pandemic has made it easier to spot people transporting drugs due to low passengers numbers, the force added. The Children's Society says the children need to be seen as "victims". The head of a dedicated British Transport Police (BTP) drugs taskforce, Det Supt Gareth Williams, said: "Swindon is a bit of a gateway location for going deeper into the south west, but also a great train route from London. "What we've seen is mainly London residents being involved in the local (Swindon) drug market and on into Wiltshire. "With dwindling passenger numbers that are involved, people who are involved in (drug dealing) stand out." Title: Re: Swindon railway station a 'gateway' for drug trafficking Post by: GWR 158 on March 06, 2021, 16:24:11 Thankfully the BTP and police are tackling it. At Basingstoke railway station, there were sniffer dogs and police officers looking out for drug trafficking. https://www.wiltshire999s.co.uk/94-people-arrested-in-targeted-county-lines-operations-on-railway-network/
Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: grahame on July 30, 2021, 19:16:33 Of course. An extra, rear access road must always have precedence over a main railway line. OTC Yes, still that sort of thing. Billions for a tunnel under Stonehenge approved today against planning advise, and still a single track with just a few loops on The Mule, with electrification expired before Chippenham and even before the end of the outer suburban Service on the Berks and Hants. How will the tunnel be when measured against climate targets? All is not certain - Stonehenge tunnel campaigners win court battle at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-58024139 Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: Lee on July 30, 2021, 21:13:50 Of course. An extra, rear access road must always have precedence over a main railway line. OTC Yes, still that sort of thing. Billions for a tunnel under Stonehenge approved today against planning advise, and still a single track with just a few loops on The Mule, with electrification expired before Chippenham and even before the end of the outer suburban Service on the Berks and Hants. How will the tunnel be when measured against climate targets? All is not certain - Stonehenge tunnel campaigners win court battle at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-58024139 My personal view is that we may look back on this judgment as a pivotal moment in UK transport and transport planning history. Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: Southernman on July 30, 2021, 23:32:11 Doing nothing is not an option! Most of us have sat in a polluting queue for an hour or so on so many occasions. How inefficient, frustrating and environmentally damaging.
What are the alternatives? Even electric cars will run out of power and their drivers will continue to blow their tops if the situation continues. Lovely to think that public transport will sort the issues but unlikely in my lifetime! Another British example of inquiries, planning and considering followed by more inquiries and now.... Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: Reading General on July 31, 2021, 08:06:36 Could double the track from Salisbury to Exeter and reopen a few more of the stations. Run passenger trains along the branch to Ludgershall. I think we are passed this moving traffic is better for the environment than queuing traffic argument. We are at the point where zero is the aim not slightly less. What are the start and end point of most journeys along that stretch? How can that be replaced with something more sustainable? Are we likely to simply put more cars on the road by making the road faster? The bottleneck will appear somewhere else no doubt.
Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: Bob_Blakey on July 31, 2021, 11:24:34 Having been a passenger in a car passing Stonehenge on the A303 countless times I formed the opinion ages ago that the repeated tailbacks were almost entirely due to drivers 'rubber necking' the ancient monument rather than concentrating on the road ahead.
(Last summer we encountered a driver (not a passenger) who momentarily stopped their vehicle to get a mobile phone picture of the aforementioned Stone Age Lego set.) Just now both the Highways England & Google Maps (with 'Traffic' enabled) websites show slow/stopped traffic on both approaches to Stonehenge and 'green' traffic flows once past the site. With this in mind I believe a reasonably wide and tall stand of trees / shrubs would have the same effect as a tunnel at a fraction of the cost. Actually I would prefer a suitable wooden fence but, given the recent experience of Liverpool, reckon the folks at UNESCO might take umbrage. Title: Re: Why was Swindon's original Platform 4 demolished? Post by: Reading General on July 31, 2021, 11:54:41 You could even trial that to find out the impact on the site.
Title: Swindon rail connected freight facility for sale Post by: grahame on May 13, 2023, 08:15:12 From the Swindon Advertiser (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/23515636.swindon-honda-rail-terminal-sale-2-2-million/)
Quote Swindon Honda rail terminal up for sale for £2.2 million "The rail facility remains connected currently to the main Swindon - London network and could be fully operated by a new party, subject to the necessary consents with Network Rail. "The current agreement with Network Rail is being renewed and a draft is available on request and includes termination rights on short notice." Title: Re: Swindon rail connected freight facility for sale Post by: IndustryInsider on May 13, 2023, 11:36:36 Could be an ideal facility for someone with its rail connection and general location.
Title: Re: Swindon rail connected freight facility for sale Post by: stuving on May 13, 2023, 13:16:04 At first sight is seems odd that the sidings were separated from the the main site and are being sold off on their own, with rail uses being downplayed. Wouldn't the value be higher either with enough room for a building, or just added to the main site? But then Honda don't appear to have ever used trains there. As it is the owners would be stuck with a monopoly supplier of industrial space, unless the other side (part of the airfield not yet built on) is available.
Title: Re: Swindon rail connected freight facility for sale Post by: bobm on May 13, 2023, 13:22:53 Remember on a tour of Swindon panel that a signaller remembered he had a routed a light loco in there once but didn’t recall it ever coming out. ;D
Title: special NHS train at Swindon Post by: infoman on July 04, 2023, 18:34:17 about to come on BBC points west on the 18:30pm local news on Tuesday
Title: Re: special NHS train at Swindon Post by: ChrisB on July 04, 2023, 18:36:59 There's a short film on twitter from GWR showing it being named by the first person born after the NHS was formed back in 1948. She has the female form of the founder's forename
Title: Re: special NHS train at Swindon Post by: JayMac on July 04, 2023, 19:12:39 Said film:
https://youtu.be/I6qB5AKbjd0 Title: Re: special NHS train at Swindon Post by: PhilWakely on July 04, 2023, 19:44:49 Fitting tribute, but very unfortunate labelling of the dates. I didn't realise the NHS died in 2023!
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ww255/PhilWakely/nhs.jpg) Title: Re: special NHS train at Swindon Post by: infoman on July 05, 2023, 05:04:38 The BBC points west news item centered more of Swindon not sure if BBC London might have had different film footage
Title: Re: special NHS train at Swindon Post by: CyclingSid on July 05, 2023, 06:58:45 Quote I didn't realise the NHS died in 2023! If some poiticians have their way it would, allowing for the usual slippage in implementation of anything political.Title: Re: special NHS train at Swindon Post by: infoman on July 05, 2023, 07:54:09 Nothing seen on BBC London,
but I have got the BBC Wales and BBC Points west items on a DVD if any one is interested in a copy. Title: Re: special NHS train at Swindon Post by: ChrisB on July 05, 2023, 21:15:41 There's a short film on twitter from GWR showing it being named by the first person born after the NHS was formed back in 1948. She has the female form of the founder's forename She had a busy day (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66095251) yesterday lucky lady! Title: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: infoman on October 20, 2023, 08:42:06 due to flooding, will continue until at least 10:00am Friday morning.
On the GWR twitter feed it states if the bus company is not accepting your train ticket as an alternative option to to travel on the bus/coach. Pay the bus fare and claim the back monies from GWR Not sure if you booked with train line and GWR might say you booked with train line, claim the money off train line. Would that mean train line would charge you an admin charge? MOTTO, in my opinion, NEVER book with train line. Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: froome on October 20, 2023, 11:07:52 Currently showing all lines blocked and disruption expected until 15.00.
Does anyone know exactly where the flooding is? Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: Timmer on October 20, 2023, 11:12:29 Currently showing all lines blocked and disruption expected until 15.00. A Royal Wootton Bassett https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1715298658491486393Does anyone know exactly where the flooding is? This appears to be happening quite regularly on this stretch of line these days. Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: grahame on October 20, 2023, 11:27:16 Currently showing all lines blocked and disruption expected until 15.00. Does anyone know exactly where the flooding is? Rail-industry's "exact" format - from Open Train Times: (http://www.wellho.net/pix/wet20231020.jpg) Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: Trowres on October 20, 2023, 12:08:42 The 05:28 Swansea-Paddington reached Chipping Sodbury at 07:06 (according to RTT). I believe it then attempted to run via Yate / Stroud but had to turn back on the Stroud route due to the flooding there. It's currently (at 11:52) sitting in Gloucester station.
Of the following services: 1L06 terminated at Bristol Parkway 1L07 went on travels unknown and has returned to BPW, arriving at 11:30 1L09 had shorter meanderings, returning to BPW at 09:39 1L11 reached Severn Tunnel Junction then returned to Newport - seemingly still there at 12:05 The down line is "shut" between Patchway and Pilning - some services are using the up line (reversibly signalled). Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: Mark A on October 20, 2023, 12:23:31 Network Rail's tweeted a photo, not sure of the precise location. I mean, they'll know, but I don't.
https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1715298658491486393 Mark Edit: looks to be here, Google Streetview shows the line in more benign conditions. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5369002,-1.8689614,3a,75y,258.85h,87.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siUUW6nb9rbT78OZ2D0U2Ew!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?entry=ttu Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: grahame on October 20, 2023, 13:07:50 Network Rail's tweeted a photo, not sure of the precise location. I mean, they'll know, but I don't. Ah yes - I have found that one too ... copy below in case the original sets lost OK - It's a mess. And there's no way that the staff who turned up to work early this morning could get all their customers to where they wanted to do at or reasonably closed to time. As well as being dealt a poor hand by the weather, they are trying to run a system which lacks the resilience it needs to keep running in modern British Weather, and they've probably not neither enough staff nor enough authority to do what could and should have been done. But I would at least have hoped that those who are offering paid railway advice would get it right, or be honest and admit "don't know" rather than guessing. I tell the story of a friend travelling from Westbury to Swindon this morning, who found his train (the 07:46) cancelled and lines into Swindon shut. And it's a "must travel" day for him. With the knowledge that the lines though Chippenham were closed, he was advised to catch the train to Bath and take the bus from there. Wrong! I make that 177 minutes travelling, total perhaps 200 minutes by the time you add a small allowance for changing at Bath and at Chippenham. Changing at Trowbridge and Chippenham, you have 137 minutes travelling - perhaps 160 minutes in total. Changing at Trowbridge onto the bus from there to Swindon, you have 87 minutes travelling - perhaps 120 minutes in total. OK - contrast is to a normal journey time of 45 minutes traveling - 2 hours is pretty awful, but why did the public transport advice professional suggest a solution that would have taken almost three and a half hours? An illustration, in the failure of trains today, of just how useful they are when they run ... and an illustration of just how important local knowledge and proper mitigation is (and how much time it can cost people when lacking!) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/busantraintwi_20231020.jpg) (http://www.wellho.net/pix/rwbflood_20231020.jpg) Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: grahame on October 20, 2023, 13:17:08 Changing at Trowbridge onto the bus from there to Swindon, you have 87 minutes travelling - perhaps 120 minutes in total. Better late than never Quote Customer Advice During this disruption if you wish to use local buses as an alternative means of transport and the local bus is not accepting GWR tickets please purchase a ticket on the bus, keep it and send it, together with your train ticket, to us to claim for a refund. Stagecoach route 49: Swindon (Bus Station), Trowbridge (Town Bridge) are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys. Looks like Stagecoach are accepting GWR tickets, but Faresaver are not? I do know that some bus companies / routes dislike taking rail replacement passengers at short notice because it means they don't have room on their buses for their regular intermediate passengers, which is really their proper business. Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: Mark A on October 20, 2023, 13:57:05 Looking at the photo, and wondering if that's a stretch of line that has a history of flooding. Some of the geology there doesn't do anyone favours, and it might be that there are changed conditions - the recent housing will contribute to problems with the way that the land over a wide area there is able to drain.
It could be worse: in the photo, in the distance and to the left, the site of the Wooton Bassett mud springs, now thankfully an SSSI and you wonder if they were known to the GWR engineers. https://swindonian.me/2021/02/27/royal-wootton-bassett-mud-springs/ (https://swindonian.me/2021/02/27/royal-wootton-bassett-mud-springs/) Behind the camera, the length of poorly drained land between Wooton Bassett and Swindon, crossed firstly by the summit level of the Wilts and Berks canal, and then the GWR railway. At a later date the Midland and South Western junction railway picked its way north and south - a third opportunity for civil engineers to find that 'Rushey Platt' was called that for a reason. About the local geology faced by *that* line the less said the better - events in the 1980s might possibly qualify for the prize of 'Biggest expense ever incurred as a result of ground failure precipitated by engineering works originating from a part constructed and never used railway.' Mark Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: grahame on October 20, 2023, 16:55:36 For the record ... National Rail at 16:30
Quote Route(s) affected Between London Paddington and Cheltenham Spa / Bristol Temple Meads / Weston-super-Mare / Cardiff Central / Swansea; and also between Swindon and Westbury Description Heavy rain flooding the railway at Swindon means that all lines are currently blocked. Trains running through this station may be cancelled, severely delayed by up to 60 minutes or diverted. Major disruption is expected until the end of the day. There are no routes available between Bristol / Gloucester or Swindon. Passengers are being advised not to travel. Passengers with tickets dated today, Friday 20 October, are advised that if they wish, they can travel tomorrow, Saturday 21 October. A ticket easement has been granted for the entire Great Western Railway network. Customer advice: The railway is flooded in the Wootton Bassett area, between Swindon and Chippenham. Until the water level reduces and safety checks are carried out, trains are unable to run through the affected area. This means services are unable to run between Swindon and Bristol Temple Meads via Chippenham and Bath Spa. Trains can run on a diversionary route between Reading and Bath Spa but will be unable to call at Swindon or Didcot Parkway. Great Western Railway now aim to operate an hourly service between London Paddington and Bristol Temple Meads departing XX:30 from Paddington, and XX:00 from Bristol Temple Meads. Passengers at Didcot Parkway or Swindon wishing to travel towards Bristol stations or South Wales are advised to travel to Reading and await the hourly services towards Bristol Temple Meads and then change there for services to Bristol Parkway and South Wales. A very limited replacement road transport service is operating between Swindon, Chippenham and Bath Spa in both directions. Ticket acceptance: Customers may use their tickets at no additional cost onboard the following services (though these services may be impacted due to the severe weather): Stagecoach Buses route 55 between Swindon and Chippenham Stagecoach Buses route 49 between Swindon and Trowbridge Transport for Wales between Newport and Gloucester During this disruption if you wish to use local buses as an alternative means of transport and the local bus is not accepting Great Western Railway tickets, please purchase a ticket on the bus, keep it and send it, together with your train ticket, to Great Western Railway to claim for a refund. Additional information: Network Rail are using route proving trains through the affected areas to determine if it is safe for passenger trains to travel. If it is determined safe, they will reopen the lines. However, due to the water levels currently making the railway unsafe, trains are unable to run via Chippenham and Bath Spa. Check before you travel: You can check your journey using the National Rail Enquiries real-time Journey Planner For helpful advice if you need to travel on a rail replacement service, including accessibility information, please use this page. You can find the location of your replacement bus by checking station signs or by searching for your station on our station information pages. Compensation: You may be entitled to compensation if you experience a delay in completing your journey today. Please keep your train ticket and make a note of your journey, as both will be required to support any claim. Hurry along there! Last Swindon to Trowbridge bus is at 17:15. Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: Trowres on October 20, 2023, 17:21:01 The M4 between J17 (Chippenham) and J18 (Bath) has been closed both ways since an accident at around 09:10 this morning.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-67174903 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-67174903) A350 / A420 is the diversionary route; rather slow-moving traffic. Would it be beyond the capability of the railway to provide services between Bristol and Chippenham? Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: grahame on October 20, 2023, 17:38:20 Would it be beyond the capability of the railway to provide services between Bristol and Chippenham? Probably not - but how would it be paid for under current contracts? Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: Trowres on October 20, 2023, 17:43:09 Probably not - but how would it be paid for under current contracts? Would it not count as a truncated part of the Bristol-Paddington service that the contract requires? Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: infoman on October 20, 2023, 18:12:16 Would it be worth getting a west of England train to Westbury or Taunton and get a service to Bristol/Bath from Taunton
Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: froome on October 20, 2023, 18:16:48 Probably not - but how would it be paid for under current contracts? Would it not count as a truncated part of the Bristol-Paddington service that the contract requires? Indeed. There is no flooding between Bristol and Chippenham, nor as far as I know, between Westbury and Chippenham via Melksham, so why there cannot be a service continued as far as Chippenham on both lines I don't understand. One London train an hour going from Bristol via the diversionary route should still allow an hourly service from Bristol to Chippenham. Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: grahame on October 21, 2023, 02:54:05 Quote Cancellations to services between Swindon and Westbury via Melksham Due to heavy rain flooding the railway at Swindon the line is blocked. Disruption is expected until 12:00 21/10. Train services between Swindon and Westbury via Melksham have been cancelled. Quote Cancellations to services between London Paddington and Swansea via Bristol Parkway Due to heavy rain flooding the railway at Swindon the line is blocked. Disruption is expected until 12:00 21/10. Train services between London Paddington and Swansea via Bristol Parkway and Cardiff Central have been cancelled Quote Cancellations to services between Swindon and Bristol Temple Meads via Chippenham Due to heavy rain flooding the railway at Swindon the line is blocked. Disruption is expected until 12:00 21/10. Train services between Swindon and Bristol Temple Meads via Chippenham and Bath Spa have been cancelled. Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: infoman on October 21, 2023, 07:20:27 I presume the the location is Chaddington Lane looking towards Wooten Bassett?
Title: Re: FRIDAY 20 october massive disruption in the Swindon area Post by: grahame on October 21, 2023, 07:33:29 From Wiltshire Live (https://www.wiltshirelive.co.uk/news/wiltshire-news/wiltshire-train-disruption-last-weekend-8847722) - 21:39, 20 OCT 2023
Quote But a further update released on social media tonight by Great Western Railway (GWR) has said service alterations will need to last until at least Saturday. The update says "We are sorry for the disruption caused by flooding on the railway at Swindon today. "An amended timetable will remain in place for the rest of the day and until at least midday tomorrow. Tickets for travel today will be valid for journeys tomorrow or on Sunday." Title: Swindon - refurbishment of listed station canopies and building Post by: grahame on August 23, 2024, 10:34:37 From the Swindon Advertiser (https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/24531518.swindon-train-station-platform-roof-removed-redevelopment/)
Quote A picture of the roofless platform was shared on social media, with some quick to use it as another sign of the decline of Swindon's facilities. But Network Rail has now confirmed that the roof was removed as part of ongoing redevelopment work to make the station look better. A Network Rail spokesperson said: “We’re carrying out a full refurbishment of the canopies on Platforms 1 and 3 at Swindon, in keeping with the stone station building’s Grade II listed status. [snip] “The work on Platform 1 was completed in May and we are now working on Platform 3, replacing the timber and glass parts of the structure. Platform 3 is being completed in two sections so that shelter for passengers continues to be available outside as well as inside." “The work is due to be completed in March next year and we’d like to thank passengers for their patience while we carry out this essential maintenance which will last for decades to come.” Title: Swindon station - facilities, improvements and incidents - merged posts Post by: CyclingSid on August 25, 2024, 08:45:45 Quote Village transformed from 'no-go area to a delight' Nice to see somebody trying save/improve the condition of the old railway village, a valuable bit of railway and architectural heritage.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89w018e033o (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c89w018e033o) Another recording project in Wales repeats the underlying question of how and what of our industrial heritage do we preserve or even record? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8498w0pwxjo (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8498w0pwxjo) Title: Lift issue at Swindon - 26 Aug 24 Post by: bobm on August 26, 2024, 11:18:34 Quote Swindon: Platform Lifts The lifts on platforms 1, 2 and 3 are not working at Swindon. There is no step free way of leaving these platforms. Any assist customers on services booked to use those platforms who require step-free access should be placed on a service booked to use platform 4 or provided an alternative. Title: Re: Swindon - facilities, improvements, events and incidents, including GWR history - merged posts Post by: Chris from Nailsea on August 26, 2024, 20:22:04 I have been doing a bit more of my 'merging' of posts here, hopefully in the interests of continuity and ease of future reference.
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