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Title: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 01, 2016, 17:03:47
Thought you might find this interesting as it potentially seems a complete turn around. Am I suprised, not: http://forum.signalbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7539


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: broadgage on April 01, 2016, 20:26:52
Link seems to go to "the page does not exist" or some such.


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: SandTEngineer on April 01, 2016, 20:29:25
Yes.  Since I posted the link the thread has been deleted by the moderators on the site linked to as it was felt that the subject matter was not appropriate to that forum.


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: ChrisB on April 02, 2016, 10:45:18
Dates for the Wales ROC are still in place & have only recently been updated (read:delayed)


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: Electric train on April 03, 2016, 11:11:03
The National SCADA project has got some further delays a number of ECR's destined to be re-controlled to various ROCs has slipped.

SCADA - System Control and Data Acquisition, this is the "generic" term used for the telemetry control from the ECR - Electrical Control Room 


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: Billhere on April 03, 2016, 20:58:04
The National SCADA project has got some further delays a number of ECR's destined to be re-controlled to various ROCs has slipped.

Fourteen years in some places in Lincolnshire. A number of boxes should have closed in June and they were told just a couple of weeks ago it will now be 2029 earliest.

In the North East a relocation along the coast line from Sunderland has been adjourned a dozen or so times now, the latest date in September is now doubtful according to staff there.

Not much consideration for their staff who are being told almost at the last minute its all off.

In this area Colthrop, Kintbury (both of which should have closed five years ago) and Westbury Panel are being moved administratively to the West of England area, and Oxford Panel going into the Cotswolds area. Won't mean anything operationally but shifting things away from the TVSC.

Whether it will delay further a move to Didcot is unknown at the moment.


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 03, 2016, 21:04:24
The National SCADA project has got some further delays a number of ECR's destined to be re-controlled to various ROCs has slipped.

SCADA - System Control and Data Acquisition, this is the "generic" term used for the telemetry control from the ECR - Electrical Control Room 

This should not be confused with SNAFU - Situation Normal: All Fouled Up, which also seems to be the 'generic' term used for the telemetry control from the ECR ...  ::) :P ;D



Both terms are included in the Coffee Shop forum's 'acronyms / abbreviations (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html)' page.  :)


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: Electric train on April 04, 2016, 20:41:48
The National SCADA project has got some further delays a number of ECR's destined to be re-controlled to various ROCs has slipped.

Fourteen years in some places in Lincolnshire. A number of boxes should have closed in June and they were told just a couple of weeks ago it will now be 2029 earliest.

In the North East a relocation along the coast line from Sunderland has been adjourned a dozen or so times now, the latest date in September is now doubtful according to staff there.

Not much consideration for their staff who are being told almost at the last minute its all off.

In this area Colthrop, Kintbury (both of which should have closed five years ago) and Westbury Panel are being moved administratively to the West of England area, and Oxford Panel going into the Cotswolds area. Won't mean anything operationally but shifting things away from the TVSC.

Whether it will delay further a move to Didcot is unknown at the moment.

Electrification SCADA (also known as Supervisory or Supie) should not be confused with signalling.  SCADA is about traction power control, it can very effectively stop all trains over a very wide area even non electric trains in an electrified area.

The SCADA for the 3 HEX 25kV locations is currently at ............................ Romford!!!! will be moving to Didcot at some stage.   ECR's controlling a very wide area is nothing new York ECR for instance controls all the traction power on the ECML from Moorgate (London) to Shilbottle (Northumberland) and has done so since 2001


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: Billhere on April 04, 2016, 22:53:27
It should have gone to Didcot already, the jobs were advertised and filled some months ago, in fact I thought it had moved already, but obviously not.





Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: Red Squirrel on April 04, 2016, 23:37:07
Shilbottle

Always makes me think of Stewart Lee, for some reason. Do the local youth still systematically modify the road signs there nowadays?


Title: Re: Network Rail National Control Strategy in Tatters
Post by: Tim on April 05, 2016, 09:22:49
Shilbottle

Always makes me think of Stewart Lee, for some reason. Do the local youth still systematically modify the road signs there nowadays?

No they don't, and is that not a tragedy. 



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