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Title: Netherlands - railways, services and incidents - merged posts Post by: stuving on February 23, 2016, 14:05:12 Initial reports this morning were rather confused, but are now clearer. This 3-car train was en route between the villages of Dalfsen to Ommen when it struck a heavy machine at a level crossing. The driver of the train was killed, seven are reported as injured, two hospitalised.
(http://www.lepoint.fr/images/2016/02/23/3065294lpw-3066404-article-jpg_3391972.jpg) This was a caterpillar-tracked access platform (i.e. some kind of cherry-picker) and was being used for work on trees. It was described as crossing the track very slowly when it was struck. The train is a Stadler GTW, hence the odd bit in the middle, operated by Arriva between Zwolle and Emmen. The first of its three cars was badly damaged, and the whole train derailed and turned on its side. The train was almost empty at the time - less than 20 passengers. Title: Re: Dutch train derailed by collision at level crossing; 23 February 2106 Post by: Oxonhutch on February 23, 2016, 14:25:23 I think the location is here (https://goo.gl/maps/ZCM1qQuRJzT2).
The farm is to the south of the railway and the train was travelling east. Road layout appears to match the oblique aerial photograph. Title: Re: Dutch train derailed by collision at level crossing; 23 February 2106 Post by: stuving on February 23, 2016, 14:57:02 I think the location is here (https://goo.gl/maps/ZCM1qQuRJzT2). The farm is to the south of the railway and the train was travelling east. Road layout appears to match the oblique aerial photograph. Yes - you're right - my mistake (presumably in mentally rotating the picture). Title: Re: Dutch train derailed by collision at level crossing; 23 February 2106 Post by: stuving on February 23, 2016, 15:03:51 From the BBC: a now-updated report, with aerial video (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35639164).
Title: Re: Dutch train derailed by collision at level crossing; 23 February 2106 Post by: Tim on February 23, 2016, 16:36:09 Level crossings are dangerous things. Presumably slow moving vehicles are supposed to contact the signaller as in the UK?
Title: Re: Dutch train derailed by collision at level crossing; 23 February 2106 Post by: stuving on February 23, 2016, 16:59:18 There are no obvious phones to do that, nor signs. But you might take the Dutch for the level crossing experts, as for an obvious reason they do have a lot of them. So many that some look a bit superfluous - for example this is just the other side of Dalfsen from the accident site:
Title: Netherlands - railways, services and incidents - merged posts Post by: broadgage on September 20, 2018, 17:31:31 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45586492 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45586492)
4 children are reported killed and others hurt after being struck by a train at a gated level crossing. The young victims were being transported to school in an electric cart operated by an adult. This past under the barrier and was struck by a train. Some reports state the brakes failed on the electric cart. I am sure that the bereaved and injured are in our thoughts :'( Title: Re: "4 children die in Dutch level crossing accident" 20 Sept 2018 Post by: Phantom on September 21, 2018, 10:45:33 Horrible story to read
RIP Title: Dutch Free Rail Travel for Part of National Book Week Post by: Lee on April 05, 2019, 09:29:27 https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/netherlands-free-train-national-book-day-tickets-travel-tickets-ns-a8849606.html
Quote from: The Independent Dutch book lovers got free rail travel across their country’s entire network this weekend as part of the Netherlands’ annual book week celebrations. Every year since 1932 the Netherlands has encouraged reading with Boekenweek – a celebration of literature marked with literary festivals and book signings across the country. Traditionally, a well-known Dutch author writes a special novel – the “book week gift” or Boekenweekgeschenk – which is given out for free to people who buy books during the festivities or sign up to a library. But the special book – this year the novel Jas Van Belofte by celebrated author Jan Siebelink, can also be presented instead of a rail ticket on every train in the country on the Sunday of book week. Title: Bizzare accident to Dutch metro train. Post by: broadgage on November 02, 2020, 13:20:42 Ran through stop blocks at end of the line, and rather than falling a considerable distance to the ground or water below, the front vehicle was left suspended on a whale sculpture !
Driver taken to hospital for checks but reported to be unhurt. No passengers on board. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54780430 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54780430) Title: Re: Bizzare accident to Dutch metro train. Post by: JayMac on November 02, 2020, 18:03:38 Saved by the whale!
Title: Re: Bizzare accident to Dutch metro train. Post by: Trowres on November 02, 2020, 18:40:27 Ah but the accident may not have occurred had the whale been properly displaying a red tail lamp!
Title: Re: Bizzare accident to Dutch metro train. Post by: froome on November 02, 2020, 21:01:33 Ah but the accident may not have occurred had the whale been properly displaying a red tail lamp! Lit by whale oil? Title: Re: Bizzare accident to Dutch metro train. Post by: TonyK on November 03, 2020, 10:34:29 Lit by whale oil? Whale oil be darned. (Pre-watershed version.) Title: Re: Bizzare accident to Dutch metro train. Post by: Phantom on November 03, 2020, 11:49:45 Saved by the whale! Possibly the most ironic named statue ever Title: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: RailCornwall on December 20, 2020, 15:37:10 Due to a signalling error NS' track controllers sent an in service passenger DB ICE service onto the Betuweroute freight only line. Train brought to a stop reversed back to passenger network and the service resumed.
https://twitter.com/viennafan2020/status/1340610843537530881 (https://twitter.com/viennafan2020/status/1340610843537530881) Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: Oxonhutch on December 20, 2020, 18:36:39 'Wrong stick' errors aren't that rare and circumstances will determine if the driver accepts the wrong route - part of his route knowledge. I suspect most times a driver manages to stop before the junction signal and get it reset but occasionally there are other factors at play. I give an example on the Underground (http://www.districtdave.co.uk/html/confession_time.html) from the late District Dave (Dave Mahoney) about his excursion up the blue line with a green train at Hanger Lane.
I wouldn't be so impertinent to ask II if he had ever taken "a wrong 'un", but I bet he knows colleagues who have :) Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: IndustryInsider on December 20, 2020, 19:09:07 I wouldn't be so impertinent to ask II if he had ever taken "a wrong 'un", but I bet he knows colleagues who have :) One of the few minor misdemeanour's I haven't fallen foul of. :) As you say, not common but certainly happens - though in this day and age with more areas under ARS (Automatic Route Setting) it seems to be much rarer. Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: bobm on December 20, 2020, 20:01:39 There?s a famous story of a west of England express which was routed onto the Henley Branch many years ago.
The trains had come out of Paddington in a different order and the message hadn?t reached the signalman at Twyford. Thankfully the train took the curve sufficiently slowly that it didn?t derail but the signalman handed in his notice the next morning. Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: TonyN on December 20, 2020, 21:27:41 The only time I have been on a train that was wrongly routed and started to move was at Preston a few years ago. From the down local platform on the west side of the station there are lots of trains going to Blackpool. The one I was on was for Heysham but a few seconds after we started the driver applied the brakes. I was sat facing forwards on the left hand side so was able to see that the route on the signal was set for the Blackpool line.
Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: stuving on December 20, 2020, 22:06:24 Worse things happen as
Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: grahame on December 20, 2020, 22:13:01 Worse things happen as The solution there is, of course, to extend the third rail to join up with the other end near Guildford. Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: RailCornwall on December 20, 2020, 23:26:41 This is the site of the incident
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ferguson+Bridge/@51.9198164,6.0859786,1295m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x47c798b4135ce169:0xaa7f75977b46149a!2sZevenaar,+Netherlands!3b1!8m2!3d51.9345728!4d6.0741029!3m4!1s0x47c79f7bdfe8b731:0x126cc838076fbc31!8m2!3d51.9184282!4d6.090425 I presume a major investigation is in hand now, the geography of the track being fortunate that an ICE travelling at normal speed had time to initiate an emergency stop on a straight piece of track. the screeching of the brakes is quite audible on the Twitter video (apparently videographed by a 12 year old incidentally). The freight track divirges off and enters a tunnel shortly after the straight part shown on the Google Map above. Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: Zoe on December 21, 2020, 13:09:31 Considering much of Europe uses speed-based rather than route-based signalling, would there even have been an explicit route indication shown to the driver in this case?
Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: PrestburyRoad on December 21, 2020, 14:00:37 I've only once been on a train that was wrongly routed, back in the 1970s. I boarded at Victoria to travel to Denmark Hill on the South London line. The train arrived fine at the first station, Battersea Park, but at the wrong platform. If it had carried on it would have gone towards the south not the east, and off to heaven knows where. The problem was easily sorted. The driver got out and walked up to the signal box 100 yards away. A few minutes he got back on, reversed far enough to clear the points that had been wrongly set, and then continued on the correct route. Ah, nostalgia for the older ways of working.
Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: Oxonhutch on December 21, 2020, 14:27:31 Considering much of Europe uses speed-based rather than route-based signalling, would there even have been an explicit route indication shown to the driver in this case? I was thinking myself this too Zoe. I have without success tried to look up the signalling system in use on this line which is at the lowest end of the high speed spectrum in the Netherlands being between 100 & 200 km/h only. Still maybe a signalled speed reduction gave the driver a clue, or if restrictive, meant he/she had time to stop close to the junction. Likewise if it were cab signalling with Repere boards (I can't see over the high boundary walls on Google Streetview), I doubt there is any indication of the route ahead being pure speed signalling. Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: eightf48544 on December 21, 2020, 15:20:26 We were on a Hertfordshire Railtour on a Eurostar rail tour to Paris via the old route from Calais. Just South of Amien we came to very fast halt. We later learnt the signalman had routed us back to the high speed line instead of the traditional route. He'd seen a TGV and thought it should be back on the LGV.
Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: TonyN on December 21, 2020, 16:42:36 Just remembered a trip on the Manchester Metro that went wrong. I was heading for the East Lancs Railway and got on a tram at Picadilly that said it was going to Bury. We called at Picadilly Gardens and when we started again I saw the route Indicator pointing left the driver took the route and then stopped apologised for going the wrong way and let us get off. I could see a tram approaching from the south so I got off and nipped round the corner to Market street.
Title: Re: Rare signalling error in the Netherlands (20 Dec 2020) Post by: eightf48544 on December 22, 2020, 14:20:05 I've also been on a Padd Reading semi on the Down Relief which got the feather for the Greenford branch at West Ealing. Early days of the IECC i think it got confused because we normally be on the Down Main at West Ealing so thought we were the Greenford shuttle. Fortuanetly we stopped in time for the route to be reset.
Title: Dutch network paralysed by Snow - NS services suspended 07 Feb 2021 Post by: RailCornwall on February 07, 2021, 17:12:40 Google Translate from Prorail
5:30 pm | 07-02-2021 Extreme winter weather - Expected: sporadic NS trains Monday. The heavy snowfall and wind cause many disruptions on the track today. A safe and reliable journey for our travelers and employees is paramount. That is why NS and ProRail had to jointly decide to stop running trains today. The winter weather will also have an impact on our services tomorrow: NS and ProRail will do their utmost to keep trains running on Monday 8 February. At the moment, we cannot give any certainty about the number of trains, routes and frequency. For this we depend on the further development of any disruptions on the track. We realize that this is an unpleasant situation for travelers who need to travel. Since Sunday morning, mainly exchange disturbances have occurred throughout the country. The switch heating works, but is not due to the layer of snow. As a result, turnouts can no longer move. ProRail's breakdown teams are working hard to resolve this, but the wind blows the snow back into the switches. The snowfall in combination with wind lasts all evening. It is expected that we will not be able to resolve the faults and the faults may even return due to this specific weather type. It is difficult to give a clear picture of Monday's situation. The main thing is that NS and ProRail make every effort to resolve disruptions so that trains can run tomorrow. We advise our travelers, where possible, to postpone their trip or find an alternative. Consult thetravel planner shortly before departure for the most current information. Title: Nederlands Spoorwegen Close entire network due to technical issue 3-Apr-2022 Post by: RailCornwall on April 03, 2022, 18:25:26 Due to a major technical failure at the NS, there are no more trains this evening and tonight. The malfunction has now been resolved, but due to the aftermath, it is not possible that the trains will run again.
"Although the cause of the malfunction has now been resolved, the impact is significant. To be able to start up reliably, systems must be updated and trains must be brought to the right place," the NS writes in a press release. The carrier apologizes for any inconvenience. The trains are expected to run again tomorrow. Incorrect travel advice Due to the outage, the travel planner also showed a lot of incorrect travel advice today. It was also not possible for hours to show current travel information at stations. The information has now been restored at the stations, the NS said. https://nos.nl/artikel/2423715-ns-vanwege-storing-rijden-er-vandaag-geen-treinen-meer Title: Re: Nederlands Spoorwegen Close entire network due to technical issue 3-Apr-2022 Post by: stuving on April 03, 2022, 19:17:14 That's not the first time, is it? There was a shorter black-out of telephone communications in 16th September, with the inevitable hours of recovery time, and another one of GSM-R on 31st May. All very odd ...
Title: Train accident in Netherlands, 4/4/23 Post by: stuving on April 04, 2023, 08:10:00 From Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/several-people-hurt-after-trains-collide-southern-netherlands-anp-news-2023-04-04/):
Quote One killed in train accident near The Hague, 30 injured By Toby Sterling (https://www.reuters.com/resizer/9hSfgi8XXqGzQeERszYL7k8wbbk=/960x0/filters:quality(80)/cloudfront-us-east-2.images.arcpublishing.com/reuters/4VT5AQFNYBLP7L6D6INHA73LBQ.jpg) A general view shows aftermath following the derailment of a passenger train after it hit construction equipment on the track, in Voorschoten, Netherlands April 4, 2023 in this picture obtained from social media. Kyrlian De Bot/via REUTERS VOORSCHOTEN, Netherlands, April 4 (Reuters) - At least one person was killed and 30 injured, many seriously, when a passenger train carrying about 50 people derailed in the Netherlands early on Tuesday after hitting a construction crane, officials said. Rescue teams were seen ferrying away the injured in pre-dawn darkness at the scene of the accident at Voorschoten, a village near The Hague. The accident happened around 3:25 a.m. (0125 GMT), emergency services said. Nineteen people were taken to hospital. Others were being treated on the spot, the emergency services said. Dutch Railways official Carola Belderbos said the train collided with the crane and the injured included the driver and two conductors. The front carriage of the night train from Leiden city to The Hague derailed, emergency services said. The second carriage was on its side and a fire broke out in the rear carriage but was extinguished, it said. Earlier reports said the passenger train had collided with a freight train. Dutch Railways spokesperson Erik Kroeze said a freight train carrying chalk was involved in the accident but could not give details. Title: Re: Train accident in Netherlands, 4/4/23 Post by: broadgage on April 04, 2023, 10:02:52 Later new report here. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65170980 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65170980)
Interesting view of the accident, at least three vehicles derailed, one of which is thrown clear of the track. Provisionaly one dead and about 30 injured as earlier reported. Title: Re: Train accident in Netherlands, 4/4/23 Post by: stuving on April 04, 2023, 18:19:55 The emerging story (on railforums) goes like this:
There a four tracks through Voorschoten, very roughly north-south. Just to the south of the platforms, a road-rail access point has road access only on the west side. The two eastern tracks were closed for engineering work, using this RRAP, so go get off those tracks and back to the road meant crossing the two western, live, tracks. A goods train going north on track 3 from the right (east) side struck an RRV, which was probably off the track but still foul of it, between the two live tracks. The RRV was pushed onto the western track (4 from the right). A passenger train going south on track 4 from the right struck the RRV pretty much head on at 130 km/hr. The RRV driver was killed and the train derailed sharply off the track to its right. That may not be 100% right when all is known, but it does hang together. Title: Re: Train accident in Netherlands, 4/4/23 Post by: Electric train on April 04, 2023, 19:05:53 The Netherlands Railway is one of the safest in Europe, I'm surprised this accident happened in the way mentioned in Stuving post
Title: Re: Train accident in Netherlands, 4/4/23 Post by: stuving on April 06, 2023, 15:43:30 The Netherlands Railway is one of the safest in Europe, I'm surprised this accident happened in the way mentioned in Stuving post Having a good safety record means keeping the number of accidents very low, but no-one can get it down to zero. For this kind of work you need to be good at sticking to the procedures, as individuals and the whole organisation. But procedures are still operated by people, and unexpected things happen. It looks as if the initial collision of the goods train with the RRV was in fact quite violent. Two pictures show this: First, from a local railforums member (citycat) who came across the goods train being recovered (https://www.railforums.co.uk/attachments/26d7cbe2-272b-42c7-9fcd-8a94a8fd8919-jpeg.132344/) with its locomotive. It was taken from the undamaged (right) side, and at first it's not obvious how much of the far side ought to be visible but isn't. It's just not there any more (and that includes the buffer that side). Then this overhead view from NOS (https://cdn.nos.nl/image/2023/04/04/957760/960x720a.jpg) (roughly, a Dutch BBC news service). The two platforms used to end in line with each other, so much of the end 2 m of the platform the RRV was thrown against has gone. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |