Title: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: bobm on September 28, 2015, 09:19:41 From my emails this morning.....
Quote Christmas - Latest posting dates Today - Monday 28 September is the latest recommended posting date for International Economy (Surface) mail to: All non-European destinations (except Canada, Far East, Middle East, South Africa and the USA). Tomorrow - Tuesday 29 September is the latest recommend posting date for International Economy (Surface) mail to: Far and Middle East (except Hong Kong and Singapore). Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: TaplowGreen on September 29, 2015, 14:09:14 I know it's still a little way off, but does anyone know if there is likely to be the usual engineering work inspired chaos between Reading and Paddington this year (usually between Xmas and New Year)?
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: ChrisB on September 29, 2015, 14:21:13 I'm sure Crossrail will be causing disruption
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: bobm on September 29, 2015, 15:46:54 The plan for the 27th Dec has appeared on Realtimetrains today http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/PAD/2015/12/27/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt (http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/advanced/PAD/2015/12/27/0000-2359?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt)
Looks like a near normal Sunday service to me. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: IndustryInsider on September 29, 2015, 15:48:27 The plan for the 27th Dec has appeared on Realtimetrains today That's the plan. Let's see if they can actually manage to finish on time and make it all happen. ::) Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: bobm on September 29, 2015, 15:51:31 I must admit I thought there were plans to move the control of signalling from Swindon panel to TVSC but perhaps that can be scheduled into the 48 hour closure over Christmas itself.
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Timmer on September 29, 2015, 16:57:37 That won't be the timetable for the 27th. The normal timetable (shown as WTT) appears 12 weeks out, then a few days later the actual service when engineering work is due to take place will appear (shown as VAR or STP)
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Ollie on September 29, 2015, 17:58:40 Paddington to Slough will be closed 27th and 28th December. Diversions into Waterloo and Marylebone with buses replacing other bits.
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: TaplowGreen on September 29, 2015, 18:04:19 Paddington to Slough will be closed 27th and 28th December. Diversions into Waterloo and Marylebone with buses replacing other bits. Thanks Ollie, what service can we expect 29th-31st December? Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Ollie on September 29, 2015, 18:12:03 You're welcome.
I don't have full detail yet, should have it soon, but as far as I'm aware from what I have read, we will have a 2 track railway, so alterations for sure, but at least there will be trains to/from Paddington. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 30, 2015, 00:16:46 Thanks, as ever, for your very helpful updates here on the Coffee Shop forum, Ollie. ;) :D ;D
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Ollie on September 30, 2015, 07:57:33 Info here: www.gwr.com/christmas2015
At the moment it is a lot of text, the web team are working on making the presentation better so it's easier to read :) Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Timmer on September 30, 2015, 08:03:34 Info here: www.gwr.com/christmas2015 Great, thanks Ollie. Most useful.At the moment it is a lot of text, the web team are working on making the presentation better so it's easier to read :) Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 30, 2015, 10:47:32 I usually have to move a topic over to 'the lighter side', simply because it has become increasingly funny and decreasingly factual. ::)
In this particular case, however, I have now moved an initial light-hearted item into our 'across the West' board, as a very useful discussion is developing. ;) Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Timmer on October 02, 2015, 17:19:33 Train times for the 27th and 28th of December are now available to view on Realtimetrains.
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: PhilWakely on October 02, 2015, 17:55:27 Train times for the 27th and 28th of December are now available to view on Realtimetrains. Looking at the services on the 28th, all appear to be routed normally to Reading, then on to Basingstoke and Waterloo. Doesn't this involve two reversals? Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: paul7575 on October 02, 2015, 18:20:16 Yes, but of course with the advantage that it keeps the stock the right way round when it's all finished.
I think a previous iteration of the Engineering Access statement had GW services running from Reading via Ascot and Staines into Waterloo, but there are some horrendous speed limitations for HSTs and Mk 3 coaching stock, so it is probably better for overall capacity to send a couple of HSTs via Basingstoke each hour and then double up on the SWT EMU service on the 'normal' route into Waterloo. The reversal at Basingstoke was flagged up a few weeks ago when the necessary routeing guide easements became public. Paul Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Adelante_CCT on October 02, 2015, 20:10:03 I see Reading TD will be host to 6 HSTs over the Christmas period then, it appears some of the Gatwick/Newbury/Basingstoke turbos will be making room for them by staying in the bays at Reading for a few days.
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Oxonhutch on October 02, 2015, 21:22:33 Me thinks another Grand Tour is in order on the Christmas Bank Holiday Monday: Oxford-Swindon-Reading-Basingstoke-Waterloo-Marylebone-Banbury-Oxford.
Not done several of those points before:- all for the price of a couple of cheap day returns, Weekend Firsts, and the odd annual season ticket of course! Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Fourbee on October 03, 2015, 12:02:31 Presumbaly an HST wont fit into the usual bay GWR uses at Basingstoke for the locals to Reading and will run into one of the main platforms?
I wonder how that will fit in with SWT services. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Timmer on October 03, 2015, 12:22:35 Presumbaly an HST wont fit into the usual bay GWR uses at Basingstoke for the locals to Reading and will run into one of the main platforms? Correct, main platforms will be used. SWT will likely be running a Sunday service on the 27th and a Saturday service on Monday the 28th so fitting in GW services shouldn't be a problem, but Basingstoke will be a busy place these two days. Local Reading-Basingstoke services reduced to one an hour.I wonder how that will fit in with SWT services. UPDATE to what I have just written above. The hourly stopping service between Salisbury and Waterloo on Monday 28th will terminate at Basingstoke thus creating a path for one of the two GWR services every hour. Exeter to Waterloo will still run as through trains. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: paul7575 on October 03, 2015, 13:10:43 Presumbaly an HST wont fit into the usual bay GWR uses at Basingstoke for the locals to Reading and will run into one of the main platforms? Even if the bay were long enough, it isn't connected to the main line towards Waterloo. Its connection off the Reading lines is some way before the actual junction used by through trains, normally the freight and XC. Paul Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Adelante_CCT on October 03, 2015, 14:53:07 Quote The hourly stopping service between Salisbury and Waterloo on Monday 28th will terminate at Basingstoke thus creating a path for one of the two GWR services every hour Also the line is closed between New Milton and Bournemouth therefore reducing the number of services from Waterloo to Southampton (and beyond) to just 2tph also freeing up another path. (Eg xx:39 to Poole which will be xx:39 to Bristol) Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: IndustryInsider on November 01, 2015, 15:56:16 The usual annual stories in the tabloids have started:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3299030/Holidaymakers-UK-face-Christmas-misery-major-engineering-works-FOUR-railway-lines-threatens-bring-overcrowding-closures-delays.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3299030/Holidaymakers-UK-face-Christmas-misery-major-engineering-works-FOUR-railway-lines-threatens-bring-overcrowding-closures-delays.html) Helps fill the gap between the 'Coldest Winter in 50 years' and 'BBQ Summer' articles... ::) Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: TaplowGreen on November 01, 2015, 16:14:12 The usual annual stories in the tabloids have started: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3299030/Holidaymakers-UK-face-Christmas-misery-major-engineering-works-FOUR-railway-lines-threatens-bring-overcrowding-closures-delays.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3299030/Holidaymakers-UK-face-Christmas-misery-major-engineering-works-FOUR-railway-lines-threatens-bring-overcrowding-closures-delays.html) Helps fill the gap between the 'Coldest Winter in 50 years' and 'BBQ Summer' articles... ::) To be fair to The Mail (can't quite believe I've just typed that!), after the chaos of the last few years (remember Finsbury Park last year?) its hardly surprising that it's on the radar again - I'm back to work on the 29th but despite a service being advertised, I'm not hopeful of service on the "first day back" running anything like as scheduled (it hasn't for the last 3 years) so I've warned colleagues accordingly already (Bah Humbug!) ;) Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: IndustryInsider on November 01, 2015, 16:19:21 Yes, the radar will certainly be on Network Rail as it was at Easter following the shambles last Christmas. I very much hope they can get all the big projects finished on time this year, like they did at Easter.
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: TaplowGreen on November 01, 2015, 16:24:50 Yes, the radar will certainly be on Network Rail as it was at Easter following the shambles last Christmas. I very much hope they can get all the big projects finished on time this year, like they did at Easter. Generally speaking I think people are accepting of engineering work etc like this when it's advertised well in advance and/or alternatives are put in place - what grinds their gears is when it overruns massively into the next working days and/or prevents them from travelling when they may already have adapted their plans to allow for the works. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Chris from Nailsea on November 01, 2015, 17:25:37 To be fair to The Mail (can't quite believe I've just typed that!) ... Indeed: whatever were you thinking of ?? :o ::) ;D Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: froggycat on November 02, 2015, 14:35:47 they may already have adapted their plans to allow for the works. The way I did at Easter: took the week off after all the warnings at Reading station and by GWR (FGW) mails that trains may be affected by the engineering works planned then. And in fact no issues on the trains for once and all running like clockwork. Not best pleased >:( to have used up holidays this way!! But better this way round than the misery of spending hours in stations for trains that are not coming, I guess! And as I work for a company that closes down between Christmas and New Year I guess I will not be too affected by the works at the end of the year... Unless I want to spend some days in London that is. :) Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: bobm on November 04, 2015, 12:21:14 From the Swindon Advertiser (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/13942201.Wiltshire_passengers__to_benefit__from_Paddington_station_s_Christmas_closure/?ref=mr&lp=8)
Quote PASSENGERS travelling into London by rail after Christmas will be faced with a red signal after Network Rail announced Paddington Station will close for four days. Trains will still run between Swindon and the capital to an amended timetable, but will instead take passengers to either Marylebone or Waterloo ^ making journey times longer. The closure comes as Network Rail carries out a four day programme of work at the station, taking advantage of the two-day shut down of the railway on Christmas Day and Boxing Day, with work running into December 27 and 28. GWR will be running a revised timetable throughout the festive period right up until Sunday, January 3, and there will be no services on Christmas Day or Boxing Day. Graham Ellis, administrator of the Great Western Passengers^ Forum, said: ^These things have to be done, and it is probably the better time of year to be done ^ travel around this time of year tends to be a little bit quieter. ^The key thing is to ensure people are well informed and they do get it back on track at the right time, which was an abject failure last year.^ But he added that rail operators were missing out on a trick by not running trains on Boxing Day every year. He said: ^It is one of the busiest times of the year for sales or sporting fixtures, but the rail industry shoots a major own goal by showing them they don^t need the trains to get there.^ A Network Rail spokesman said that the work being carried out over Christmas mainly consisted of work to prepare for the arrival of Crossrail. He said: ^While 95 per cent of services will still be running this Christmas, major work such as this can only take place when trains aren^t running. We therefore advise anyone planning to travel over this period to check before they travel through National Rail Enquiries or Great Western Railway^s website. ^We apologise for the inconvenience this may cause but ask the public to please bear with us through this temporary period when crucial improvements will be made to ultimately provide passengers with a better travelling experience.^ Roger Newman, chairman of West Wiltshire Rail Users Group, said there would be a real long-term benefit from the engineering work for passengers from Wiltshire heading east. He said: ^In terms of this Christmas, the effect for passengers from this area is not very much other than a slightly longer journey, in that they will arrive at Marylebone or Waterloo. But passengers joining the railway system between Reading and Paddington will be affected.^ He add that, in the longer term, Crossrail would have real benefits for passengers from the West who wanted to get across London, as they could leave mainline services at Reading and join a Crossrail service to the East End. He said: ^It will save the scramble at Paddington to get onto the Underground, you will bypass Paddington and go under the West End and come out at the East End of London, which will make travel easier.^ The final GWR trains will depart on Christmas Eve before 9.30pm, with no trains then running until Sunday, December 27. GWR is advising passengers to check all journey times at www.gwr.com before leaving to ensure they don^t miss the last train home. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: Adelante_CCT on December 17, 2015, 19:02:39 http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/railway-upgrade-plan-to-pave-the-way-for-a-better-more-reliable-railway-in-the-south-west-and-thames-valley-this-christmas
News release from Network rail regarding why various lines are closed and what they are doing over Christmas. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: TaplowGreen on December 17, 2015, 21:17:28 Great spin.Just make sure it's up and running again as promised for the first day back after Boxing day, instead of the spectacular balls ups of recent years.
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: IndustryInsider on December 27, 2015, 12:17:27 Great spin.Just make sure it's up and running again as promised for the first day back after Boxing day, instead of the spectacular balls ups of recent years. Good to see that the service start up this morning was pretty good - I can find few alterations/delays of any significance. The Marylebone/Waterloo diversion plan seems to be working well, save for one cancellation each way between Reading and Waterloo due to a crew shortage, but some delays on services currently heading towards London from Cornwall might impact on that later in the day. Another test comes on Tuesday morning when the lines reopen into Paddington and a fair percentage of the daily commuters return, but so far, so good. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: grahame on December 27, 2015, 12:57:06 I have noticed a gentle sprinking - no more - of problems this morning, no more than I would expect on any morning.
We're looking back at Christmas Time operations in the past in another thread - and one of the things you didn't have in those days was the data feeds to tell you what was going wrong away from you own home area!. For those of you not in Trowbridge ;D ... here's how trains are getting on there there today - a 'random' example: (http://www.wellho.net/pix/20151227_tro.jpg) That's at http://twcrp.info/trowbridge - experimental. Same thing available for http://twcrp.info/warminster http://twcrp.info/diltonmarsh http://twcrp.info/frome http://twcrp.info/westbury http://twcrp.info/melksham http://twcrp.info/trowbridge http://twcrp.info/chippenham and http://twcrp.info/swindon On topic - that gentle startup sprinkling I logged this morning: Quote 07:26 Bristol Temple Meads to Penzance due 12:24 This train is being delayed between Plymouth and Truro and is now expected to be 11 minutes late. This is due to a fault with the signalling system. 09:01 Truro to Falmouth Docks due 09:25 This train will be cancelled. This is due to engineering works not being finished on time. 08:15 Bristol Temple Meads to London Waterloo due 10:54 This train will be terminated at Reading. This train will no longer call at Basingstoke and London Waterloo. This is due to a shortage of train crew. 09:08 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central due 12:42 This train has been delayed at Salisbury and is now 5 minutes late. This is due to overcrowding. 08:26 Weston-Super-Mare to London Waterloo due 11:54 This train will be started from Bristol Temple Meads. This train will no longer call at Weston-super-Mare, Worle, Yatton and Nailsea & Backwell. This is due to this train being late from the depot. 09:48 Penzance to London Waterloo due 16:19 This train will call additionally at Castle Cary and Pewsey. This is due to engineering works not being finished on time. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: a-driver on December 27, 2015, 18:48:33 Great spin.Just make sure it's up and running again as promised for the first day back after Boxing day, instead of the spectacular balls ups of recent years. Good to see that the service start up this morning was pretty good - I can find few alterations/delays of any significance. The Marylebone/Waterloo diversion plan seems to be working well, save for one cancellation each way between Reading and Waterloo due to a crew shortage, but some delays on services currently heading towards London from Cornwall might impact on that later in the day. Another test comes on Tuesday morning when the lines reopen into Paddington and a fair percentage of the daily commuters return, but so far, so good. Crew shortages were going to be inevitable with a Sunday following straight after Boxing Day with many making themselves unavailable to work. Think a similar situation is occurring with other TOCs who have the same Sunday working agreement including East Midlands Trains Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: tom m on December 27, 2015, 23:01:28 Does anyone know if Paddington car park is open tomorrow? I am planning a trip into London tomorrow with the car due to the closures and am looking for a cheap place to park. Paddington seems to be ^10 on public holidays, just not sure if its open with all the work going on.
Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: grahame on December 28, 2015, 05:06:18 Does anyone know if Paddington car park is open tomorrow? I am planning a trip into London tomorrow with the car due to the closures and am looking for a cheap place to park. Paddington seems to be ^10 on public holidays, just not sure if its open with all the work going on. In the absence of any authoritative reply ... I would guess that it is. You can park there for longer than a day (up to 21 according to the website) and it states "open 24 hours / 7 days a week" ... which suggests that you can pick up (at least) at any time. Looks like an APCOA automated phone in for longer parking, so no need for there to be staff on site. Please note - this answer is an educated guess only. Title: Re: Christmas 2015 - Engineering work and revised travel arrangements Post by: IndustryInsider on January 27, 2016, 12:24:19 An interesting article summing up the large amount of work completed on time during the recent Christmas blockade. Some rather technical language used which I'm sure many of the forums more knowledgeable readers will enjoy digesting, instead of the slightly dumbed down version you usually get in the press releases:
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