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Title: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 15, 2015, 17:11:16
Inspired by an adjacent thread. I'd already heard of the (possibly apocryphal) Station Road Station, but now I find there's also Junction Road Junction:
On the Overground the North London line  being diverted from Broad Street to North Woolwich from Dalston Junction  Non pasenger from Dalston to Stratford Low Level (now DLR) pre Beeching.

Also link from New Cross Gate to Peckham reinstated to allow East london Line trains to become South London Line trains. Although no stations on the link. Also link from Wandsworth to Clapham Junction Windsor side previously no regular passenger services for years.

Through trains from ECML at Finsbury Park to Moorgate.

DLR using parts of freight only heavy rail links between  Limehouse, Popular, Bow.

Tottenham and Hampstead: Junction Road Jn to Gospel Oak new platform, service diverted from Kentish Town.

Sinfin?

What other place names do people know like this? Is there Bridge Road Bridge, for instance?


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: bobm on September 15, 2015, 17:22:06
There was Box Signal Box


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 15, 2015, 17:24:27
Not quite the same, but  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: stuving on September 15, 2015, 18:16:12
The Lymington Seawater Baths are in Bath Road, so I guess that makes them the Bath Road baths, even if that's not their official name.

(Of course that has no railway connection, if that's what you want.)


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: stuving on September 15, 2015, 19:19:40
And here's another unofficial one, from the Bristol Post:
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The Knowle and Totterdown Local History Society (KTLHS) are trying to find out more about the history of Hillcrest School, also known as Knowle Primary, or simply as School Road school.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 15, 2015, 19:38:40
And here's another unofficial one, from the Bristol Post:
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The Knowle and Totterdown Local History Society (KTLHS) are trying to find out more about the history of Hillcrest School, also known as Knowle Primary, or simply as School Road school.
I was thinking railway connections ideally ^ more expecting than requiring ^ but that is a good example.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 15, 2015, 19:42:05
There's the old chestnut that is Bristol Bridge - where 'Bristol' means 'place of the bridge'. Then of course the water it spans is the River Avon - where 'Avon' means 'river' (in Welsh, as if this could get any worse...).

So to be clear, Bristol Bridge is the bridge at the place where the bridge over the river that's a river is. Or summat. Ooze round is it?


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: stuving on September 15, 2015, 19:47:54
What other place names do people know like this? Is there Bridge Road Bridge, for instance?

If you need to refer to that bridge, I guess you would say Bridge Road bridge - but do most bridges have official names anyway?

Bridge Street Bridge, however, has a whole Wikipedia disambiguation page all to itself:
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Bridge Street Bridge may refer to:

    Bridge Street Bridge (Newark)
    Bridge Street Bridge (Trenton)
    Bridge Street Bridge (Connecticut River)
    Bridge Street Bridge in Elkhart, Indiana
    Bridge Street Bridge, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    Victoria Bridge, Montreal, the bridge at the base of Bridge Street, Montreal


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 15, 2015, 19:52:36
What other place names do people know like this? Is there Bridge Road Bridge, for instance?

If you need to refer to that bridge, I guess you would say Bridge Road bridge - but do most bridges have official names anyway?

Bridge Street Bridge, however, has a whole Wikipedia disambiguation page all to itself:
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Bridge Street Bridge may refer to:

    Bridge Street Bridge (Newark)
    Bridge Street Bridge (Trenton)
    Bridge Street Bridge (Connecticut River)
    Bridge Street Bridge in Elkhart, Indiana
    Bridge Street Bridge, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
    Victoria Bridge, Montreal, the bridge at the base of Bridge Street, Montreal
Excellent!

There's the old chestnut that is Bristol Bridge - where 'Bristol' means 'place of the bridge'. Then of course the water it spans is the River Avon - where 'Avon' means 'river' (in Welsh, as if this could get any worse...).

So to be clear, Bristol Bridge is the bridge at the place where the bridge over the river that's a river is. Or summat. Ooze round is it?
River Ouse. That's another one!


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Oxonhutch on September 15, 2015, 20:50:02
I seem to recall a Junction Road Junction somewhere.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: TonyK on September 15, 2015, 21:04:24
There's more than one Street Road in these western parts, but I can't think of a Road Street.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: stuving on September 15, 2015, 22:06:37
How about Street High Street?
Or, for a simple reduplication (and railway station), Bath Spa? Of course Baden-Baden will always win that competition.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 15, 2015, 23:48:09
I seem to recall a Junction Road Junction somewhere.

In the original post in this topic, possibly?  ;D


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Oxonhutch on September 16, 2015, 07:26:55
Whoops!  :o

Read twice - post once ...


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: JayMac on September 16, 2015, 08:20:18
Not quite what the OP is asking, but I was watching an old episode of QI last night, and the following place name in Cumbria was mentioned:

Torpenhow Hill.

'Tor' and 'pen' are English alternates for the word 'hill, 'how' comes from an Old Norse word also meaning 'hill'. Thus a translation could be:

Hillhillhill Hill.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: PhilWakely on September 16, 2015, 08:49:06
Torpenhow Hill.

'Tor' and 'pen' are English alternates for the word 'hill, 'how' comes from an Old Norse word also meaning 'hill'. Thus a translation could be:

Hillhillhill Hill.

Can't quite go to that extent but here is a probable explanation for the name 'Pinhoe'..
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There have been many variations of the name Pinhoe over the years, with the Anglo Saxon Peonha, Pinnoc, and Pinnoch, the Domesday Pinoe and the later Pinho, Pynnoe, and Pinhowe all vying for attention at one time or other. The probably meaning is from the Celtic Pen and Saxon Hoe, both meaning 'hill'.
My highlighting - so there you have it........ Pinhoe, or 'Hill Hill'


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 16, 2015, 09:41:55
Similarly Pendle Hill.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 16, 2015, 09:43:26
There's more than one Street Road in these western parts, but I can't think of a Road Street.
There might be a Rode Road too.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: BBM on September 16, 2015, 10:15:54
In Kent there's a Green Street Green Road  ;D

http://dartford.streetmapof.co.uk/green-street-green-road/ (http://dartford.streetmapof.co.uk/green-street-green-road/)


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Oxonhutch on September 16, 2015, 11:03:17
Forget not Lake Nyassa and subsequent Nyassaland (now Malawi) ^

Dr Livingstone to local Malawian (ca. 1850):-

^Pray tell me my good fellow. What do you call that huge body of water?^
          ^nyassa^ [lake]
^Then I shall call it Lake Nyassa!^ [Lake Lake]


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: lordgoata on September 16, 2015, 12:05:37
Reminds me of when people at work say "... PCB board". (PCB being Printed Circuit Board). Drives me mad!


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 16, 2015, 12:11:10
... or when you are told to "enter your PIN number"!  ::)


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: TonyK on September 16, 2015, 16:55:56
And how many lakes are there in the Lake District?



(Answer, at the risk of transfer to the Pedants' thread, is one - Bassenthwaite Lake. The rest are tarns, waters, meres, etc)


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: stuving on September 16, 2015, 17:10:01
And how many lakes are there in the Lake District?



(Answer, at the risk of transfer to the Pedants' thread, is one - Bassenthwaite Lake. The rest are tarns, waters, meres, etc)

Sorry, not pedantic enough. Even if their names do not have "Lake" in them, they can still be lakes, especially if that's your usual word for big puddles and tarn, water, mere etc. are not. It's back to the White Knight, again ...


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: JayMac on September 16, 2015, 18:14:35
Bassenthwaite is, however, the only one to have the terminal 'Lake' in its official name. In that respect it's right that FT,N highlighted it.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Western Pathfinder on September 16, 2015, 18:23:01
White Knight to Black Rook where would you like the award for pedantry delivered .


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Bmblbzzz on September 16, 2015, 21:01:44
I think I've found the famous Station Rd Station. Perhaps.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lytham_(Station_Road)_railway_station

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Lytham (Station Road) railway station
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Lytham
Location
Place   Station Road, Lytham St Annes
Area   Fylde
Coordinates   53.7384^N 2.9566^WCoordinates: 53.7384^N 2.9566^W
Operations
Original company   Preston and Wyre Joint Railway
Pre-grouping   Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway / London and North Western Railway
Platforms   2
History
16 February 1846   Opened
1 July 1874   Closed to passengers
1963   Closed to goods
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Closed railway stations in Britain
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The original Lytham railway station was the Lytham terminus of a branch of the Preston and Wyre Joint Railway from Kirkham in Lancashire, England. It opened, along with the branch, on 16 February 1846; the road it was located in became known as Station Road. It was built in a Renaissance style from Longridge stone. A branch was also built to the dock at Lytham Pool.

In 1863, the Blackpool and Lytham Railway opened a separate line to its own station in Ballam Road, Lytham.

By 1874, both lines were owned jointly by the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway and the London and North Western Railway. Ballam Road station was rebuilt as a through station and a connecting line was built to join the other line east of Lytham. The original station in Station Road was then closed to passengers, but continued to be used as a goods station until 1963.[1]

A fire station now occupies the site.


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 16, 2015, 22:07:34
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A fire station now occupies the site.

So Station Road Station is now a Fire Station. On Station Road.  ;D


Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: Red Squirrel on September 16, 2015, 23:23:54
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Title: Re: Chicken and egg naming
Post by: TonyK on September 17, 2015, 17:40:39
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Always thought it was Pot Head Pixie, after I bought that Gong album in 1843.



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