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Journey by Journey => Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall => Topic started by: LiskeardRich on April 25, 2015, 22:40:53



Title: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: LiskeardRich on April 25, 2015, 22:40:53
this evening a person has been hit by train at Bodmin parkway. It's not showing on the journey update at the moment, so doesn't seem to be in public domain yet.
From RTT 1C89 or 1V62 is involved.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 25, 2015, 23:09:32
Confirmed - from First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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Cancellations to services at Bodmin Parkway
Due to a person hit by a train at Bodmin Parkway all lines are blocked.
Impact:
Train services running through this station may be cancelled, delayed by up to 20 mins or revised. Disruption is expected until 23:00 25/04.
Last Updated: 25/04/2015 22:56

Again, that rather unfortunate use of the word 'Impact'.  :(


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 25, 2015, 23:17:21
Another update, from First Great Western JourneyCheck:

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21:18 Newquay to Plymouth due 23:12
This train will be terminated at Par.
This train will no longer call at Lostwithiel, Bodmin Parkway, Liskeard, Menheniot, St Germans, Saltash, St Budeaux Ferry Road, Keyham, Dockyard, Devonport and Plymouth.
This is due to a person hit by a train.
Additional Information:
Taxis will call at stations from Par to Plymouth.

That's a lot of mileage in a taxi for some.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Palfers on April 25, 2015, 23:42:03
Sad news that there has been a fatality near Bodmin parkway don't know the full details but something like this is pritty rare down here in cornwall but give credit to staff at truro straight into a taxi heading to liskeard and at liskeard a member of staff been called in to help out which is good of them and fgw


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 26, 2015, 18:47:05
I've simply merged a few posts relating to this latest sad incident here - purely in the interests of continuity.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Palfers on April 26, 2015, 19:10:10
I had a taxi from truro to liskeard last night I'm glad I did not have to pay for it I'm sure it would have been around ^80 according to the driver he said that to plymouth would be around ^130 and I think there were 5 taxis going to plymouth so a nice little earner for that taxi firm. Would fgw be able to claim for the expense of taxis?


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: ChrisB on April 26, 2015, 21:11:15
Faralities do go down against Network Rail....so I guess they compensate. I do have some sympathy for NR on this point. It's hardly their fault


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 26, 2015, 21:38:04
I agree, ChrisB - it's rather tough on Network Rail, to be held responsible for such delays, which are really not within their control.

As to the taxi fare aspect: well, to be fair, the taxi then has to make the return journey empty (unless, by some remarkable piece of luck, there is someone waiting patiently to travel from Plymouth to Par at midnight).  ::)



Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: JayMac on April 26, 2015, 21:38:41
Delays arising from fatalities or injuries caused by persons having been struck by a train can be attributed to Network Rail, the Train Operator or both. It depends on location and circumstances.

See:

http://www.delayattributionboard.co.uk/documents/dag_pdac/Delay%20Attribution%20Guide%20-%20April%202014%20Edition.pdf#page=39


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: ChrisB on April 27, 2015, 05:34:52
Thanks for providing that link.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: TaplowGreen on April 27, 2015, 12:17:23
Faralities do go down against Network Rail....so I guess they compensate. I do have some sympathy for NR on this point. It's hardly their fault

I'm a bit confused.........so NR pay FGW compensation in the event of a fatality for which they can't really be held responsible.........but customers don't get compensation in similar circumstances because it's "outside the control of the railway industry"???


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: ChrisB on April 27, 2015, 13:50:28
NR definitely get hit with (a share of) the delay minutes. Whether compensation follows, I don't know the details


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: a-driver on April 27, 2015, 21:58:29
A very tragic accident by all accounts.  Thoughts very much go to the train crew and  especially the family of the deceased.  It's not going to be easy for either to come to terms with. 


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: LiskeardRich on May 01, 2015, 20:46:27
Ahh I see, a link to a topic here. I thought perhaps it would be a link to another forum with more information. Strange that the fatality at Bodmin has had no press coverage. I won't repeat rumours I've heard, except to say the circumstances sounded unusual.
Two friends of mine were passengers on that service at Bodmin. I wont be posting or commenting what they told me, but it certainly sounded unusual. it was from them how I knew of the incident before journey planner.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Palfers on May 02, 2015, 08:49:26
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Two friends of mine were passengers on that service at Bodmin. I wont be posting or commenting what they told me, but it certainly sounded unusual. it was from them how I knew of the incident before journey planner.

We got told there had been a fatality at Bodmin when arriving into truro. I have to say they were very swift in organising replacement taxis. I wonder because it was a xc service the fgw station staff thought oh well send the bill to them?


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: LiskeardRich on May 02, 2015, 08:51:11
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Two friends of mine were passengers on that service at Bodmin. I wont be posting or commenting what they told me, but it certainly sounded unusual. it was from them how I knew of the incident before journey planner.

We got told there had been a fatality at Bodmin when arriving into truro. I have to say they were very swift in organising replacement taxis. I wonder because it was a xc service the fgw station staff thought oh well send the bill to them?

I believe the bill would go to network rail. My friends finally got put in a taxi just after midnight and said the meter was well over ^100 when they got back to Redruth.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 02, 2015, 09:13:40
Interesting and reflects a discussion on another thread - so NR do pick up the bill and compensate FGW in these circumstances - I wonder why therefore FGW stridently refuse to refund customers who seek alternative arrangements via taxi in similar circumstances under the catch call "consequential losses" line - although having said that on both occasions I've been caught up in fatality related delays and caught a taxi FGW have refunded me after I've written in requesting it so maybe it's just a device to put people off? Certainly I always advise people to claim if they've jumped in cab during disruption whatever the circumstances.














Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Palfers on May 02, 2015, 12:25:04
A well known taxi firm in truro was kept busy that night the boss was only saying 5 mins before they were kept busy it seems very quiet according to the driver I had


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: LiskeardRich on May 02, 2015, 14:52:39
Interesting and reflects a discussion on another thread - so NR do pick up the bill and compensate FGW in these circumstances - I wonder why therefore FGW stridently refuse to refund customers who seek alternative arrangements via taxi in similar circumstances under the catch call "consequential losses" line - although having said that on both occasions I've been caught up in fatality related delays and caught a taxi FGW have refunded me after I've written in requesting it so maybe it's just a device to put people off? Certainly I always advise people to claim if they've jumped in cab during disruption whatever the circumstances.

I would expect a invoiced based account is used with approved taxi firms. They certainly don't pay cash there and then for taxis they use. Its a lot easier to have one big invoice to pay rather than loads of small fares.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 02, 2015, 17:36:20
Interesting and reflects a discussion on another thread - so NR do pick up the bill and compensate FGW in these circumstances - I wonder why therefore FGW stridently refuse to refund customers who seek alternative arrangements via taxi in similar circumstances under the catch call "consequential losses" line - although having said that on both occasions I've been caught up in fatality related delays and caught a taxi FGW have refunded me after I've written in requesting it so maybe it's just a device to put people off? Certainly I always advise people to claim if they've jumped in cab during disruption whatever the circumstances.

I would expect a invoiced based account is used with approved taxi firms. They certainly don't pay cash there and then for taxis they use. Its a lot easier to have one big invoice to pay rather than loads of small fares.

No doubt - so next time I am stranded in Reading due to rail delays I will find out which these approved firms are, and rather than paying them myself I will tell them to charge it to FGW, who can take it out of the compo they receive from NR, it will save a lot of faffing around/admin on both sides with me asking for refunds and them sending me vouchers!  :)


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: grahame on May 02, 2015, 17:42:07
No doubt - so next time I am stranded in Reading due to rail delays I will find out which these approved firms are, and rather than paying them myself I will tell them to charge it to FGW, will save a lot of faffing around/admin on both sides with me asking for refunds and them sending me vouchers!  :)

Rail staff have authorisation forms which form an audit trail, which the taxi firms need to have to make the charge back. Otherwise people stranded in Reading could each grab themselves a taxi, and you'd end up with four taxis all going to [insert place] where one would do.   And you would want to help be sustainable and share, wouldn't you  ;).


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: TaplowGreen on May 02, 2015, 18:06:12
No doubt - so next time I am stranded in Reading due to rail delays I will find out which these approved firms are, and rather than paying them myself I will tell them to charge it to FGW, will save a lot of faffing around/admin on both sides with me asking for refunds and them sending me vouchers!  :)

Rail staff have authorisation forms which form an audit trail, which the taxi firms need to have to make the charge back. Otherwise people stranded in Reading could each grab themselves a taxi, and you'd end up with four taxis all going to [insert place] where one would do.   And you would want to help be sustainable and share, wouldn't you  ;).

Absolutely, whilst Network Rail staff fly to meetings rather than get the train, I'd be more than happy to "slum it" and share a cab to get to mine!  ;)


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: ellendune on May 02, 2015, 21:41:12
Absolutely, whilst Network Rail staff fly to meetings rather than get the train, I'd be more than happy to "slum it" and share a cab to get to mine!  ;)

Government and other groups are crying out for NR to save money.  They also make them pay full fare for trains and they still have to factor in the cost of staff travel time and overnight accommodation.  Don't blame NR blame the system.

In many ways we get the railway the system dictates. 

And of course remember that under successive governments extra costs for NR have been paid for through fares more than from government. So if you don't want NR to save money don't complain when the fares go up.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 02, 2015, 23:45:43
Purely in the interests of continuity, I've now moved a few previous posts from a discussion of an unrelated incident, and merged them here.


Title: Re: Person hit by train near Bodmin Parkway - 25 April 2015
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 18, 2015, 00:55:19
From the Western Morning News (http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/Chef-Rick-Stein-s-crushed-train-running-coffee/story-27721390-detail/story.html):

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Chef at Rick Stein's crushed by train after running for coffee

A chef at Rick Stein^s restaurant was crushed to death by a train after chasing it to rescue his coffee.

Kyle Kusano-Puffett, from Padstow, died on April 25 after going out drinking with a friend.

The inquest into his death heard how he had climbed out of the train window when it arrived at Bodmin Parkway station and put his coffee above the door.

But as the train departed, he realised he^d left his hot drink behind and chased after it ^ only to fall under the carriage.

The hearing was told Mr Kusano-Puffett suffered severe head injuries and rib fractures as a result of being crushed.

Dr Paul Smith, a toxicologist, found Mr Kusano-Puffett had 219mg of alcohol on his blood ^ the drink-drive limit is 80. He also had 235mg of MDMA per 100ml of blood at the time of his death.

Coroner Barrie van den Berg recorded a verdict of accidental death.

^I come to the obvious conclusion that this was an accident. Sometimes when you have a few drinks what seems like a good idea then is a tragic idea later.^

Mr Kusano-Puffett^s father, Roger Puffett paid tribute to his son. He said: ^We lived an adventurous life. I don^t think that life will ever be idiot proof. People drink, my son drank and it^s unfortunate.^



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