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Title: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 01, 2015, 16:41:10 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30643532):
Quote Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe An investigation has been launched over claims train passengers travelling from north Wales were forced to travel in the driver's cab for part of their journey because of overcrowding. Arriva Trains Wales said passengers would not be allowed to enter and travel in the driver's cab for "safety and security reasons". It said it was looking into the claims but apologised for overcrowding. The train company would not confirm which service was affected on Saturday. A spokesman for Arriva added: "Some of our services were extremely busy however trains are built to robust industry standards recognising that peaks will occur due to the unpredictability of customers' travel patterns and there are no defined upper limits on the number of customers permitted to travel on board a train. "Whilst we did everything we could to provide extra capacity, we would like to apologise to customers whose travel plans were inconvenienced last weekend." Regarding the issue about passengers travelling in the driver's cab, the spokesman added: "We are currently investigating an allegation that passengers were travelling in the driver's cab on one of our trains. Despite our services being extremely busy over the weekend, passengers would not be allowed to enter and travel in the driver's cab for safety and security reasons." Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: phile on January 01, 2015, 16:50:40 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-30643532): What's the second paragraph supposed to mean ? What has being built to robust industry standards got to do with overcrowding.Quote Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe An investigation has been launched over claims train passengers travelling from north Wales were forced to travel in the driver's cab for part of their journey because of overcrowding. Arriva Trains Wales said passengers would not be allowed to enter and travel in the driver's cab for "safety and security reasons". It said it was looking into the claims but apologised for overcrowding. The train company would not confirm which service was affected on Saturday. A spokesman for Arriva added: "Some of our services were extremely busy however trains are built to robust industry standards recognising that peaks will occur due to the unpredictability of customers' travel patterns and there are no defined upper limits on the number of customers permitted to travel on board a train. "Whilst we did everything we could to provide extra capacity, we would like to apologise to customers whose travel plans were inconvenienced last weekend." Regarding the issue about passengers travelling in the driver's cab, the spokesman added: "We are currently investigating an allegation that passengers were travelling in the driver's cab on one of our trains. Despite our services being extremely busy over the weekend, passengers would not be allowed to enter and travel in the driver's cab for safety and security reasons." Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: Chris from Nailsea on January 01, 2015, 17:00:10 I think they mean that the train's physical structure is robust enough to contain any number of human beings being crammed onto it. ::)
The train will not 'burst at the seams' - despite popular press suggestions to the contrary? Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: Electric train on January 01, 2015, 19:50:21 I think they mean that the train's physical structure is robust enough to contain any number of human beings being crammed onto it. ::) The train will not 'burst at the seams' - despite popular press suggestions to the contrary? The old suburban Mk1 DMUs with the doors at each seating bay they used to be fun trying open and close the centre sets of doors at Ealing Boardway when they were crush loaded (most morning and evening peaks); the sole bar used to bend just enough :D Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: ellendune on January 01, 2015, 20:04:17 I think they mean that the train's physical structure is robust enough to contain any number of human beings being crammed onto it. ::) The train will not 'burst at the seams' - despite popular press suggestions to the contrary? The old suburban Mk1 DMUs with the doors at each seating bay they used to be fun trying open and close the centre sets of doors at Ealing Boardway when they were crush loaded (most morning and evening peaks); the sole bar used to bend just enough :D So crush loading is not new then. I had heard that everything was wonderful in the old BR days - except the catering. Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: Electric train on January 01, 2015, 21:04:10 I think they mean that the train's physical structure is robust enough to contain any number of human beings being crammed onto it. ::) The train will not 'burst at the seams' - despite popular press suggestions to the contrary? The old suburban Mk1 DMUs with the doors at each seating bay they used to be fun trying open and close the centre sets of doors at Ealing Boardway when they were crush loaded (most morning and evening peaks); the sole bar used to bend just enough :D Nothing wrong with the catering, stewed tea and curled up cheese and tom sandwiches ;D actually BR had probably the largest civilian catering organisation in country and generally worked quite well; it did after all put into common use the plastic containers for sandwiches and the natty paper bags to put your items in. Edited to fix quotes. bignosemac Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: eightf48544 on January 01, 2015, 23:06:53 Remember crush loadings on the 117s and the problem with doors. Normally tried to get in the brakevan although it could be a problem if you couldn't lean against the side as ther was nothing to hold onto if you were in the middle. But then again they were not fast off teh blocks and didn't brake all that hard.
Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: LiskeardRich on January 02, 2015, 00:14:28 Although they won't say which service, it's easy to find online the effected service.
It was a 2 carriage service, and around 150 people physically couldn't fit on. It was scheduled to be following a virgin Holyhead to Euston service that was cancelled, leaving all the passengers wanting the Virgin service squeezing on the ATW service to Birmingham. Title: Re: Arriva Trains Wales rail passengers in driver's cab probe Post by: phile on January 02, 2015, 11:59:50 It was the 09 23 Holyhead to Birmingham Intl which was no secret and reached the public domain. VT cancelled their 08 55 to Euston (said Engineering Work) without any consideration for their passengers.
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