Title: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: Chris from Nailsea on September 13, 2014, 20:04:43 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29176744):
Quote Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? (http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77557000/jpg/_77557961_200259633-001.jpg) Will it fit? The question, and the anxiety behind it, is familiar to every air traveller in the 21st century. For who can say they have not inwardly trembled as an airline official directs them to the measuring cage - knowing they may face a hefty surcharge? Such is the variation in the maximum dimensions for cabin baggage, that passengers might now logically chose to have a different suitcase for every airline. According to a BBC survey of 17 major European airlines, the Spanish carrier Iberia is the most generous for cabin baggage, and the UK airlines Thomas Cook and Thomson are the meanest. One surprise is that the low cost airline Ryanair is not at the bottom of the list, in spite of its previous reputation for high baggage and other charges. Easyjet's position in the table is less clear cut. It will allow a relatively large cabin bag, and is one of the few airlines not to impose a formal weight limit. But passengers are also advised to take a smaller bag - to avoid the possibility of the bag being put in the hold at the last minute. Typically, carriers will let you stow a bag up to 55cm tall, 40 cm wide and 20 centimetres deep. Remember these are not the sizes of the empty bag when you buy it. It has to fit the frame when fully packed - and that includes the handles or any other sticky out bits. When it comes to the weight of your hand baggage, some airlines will allow you anything you can comfortably lift. Others allow just five kilogrammes. And beware: Many older bags can weigh as much as five kilogrammes before you even put anything in them. You may get away with it and breeze onto the plane with far more than you are allowed. But it is a risk. You could well have your dimensions tested at the gate - in which case breaking the well-advertised rules could land you with a hefty supplement of some ^50. Frank Brehany is the consumer director of HolidayTravelWatch, an organisation that aims to help holidaymakers with travel problems. He says if anything there are too few checks being carried out at the gate. That is because out-sized bags can cause injury to other passengers. There have been occasions when consumers have reported an injury as a result of a heavy item falling down on arrival," he says. "Others have been hurt because the owner cannot manage the weight of the bag. The weight can even cause the overhead bin to open." To make matters worse, the rules are not always enforced consistently. Sean Tipton from ABTA - the travel association - says it often depends on the airline staff member at the boarding gate. "Some seem to be more lax than others, but you can't rely on that. Check out the policy first, because if you do get caught out we are talking about a substantial amount of money," he says. The industry defends the inconsistency in hand baggage allowances, saying it is a direct result of the wide variation in the amount of space in the overhead bins on different aircraft. This argument is weakened by the fact that most carriers fly several different aircraft types. But there is likely to be little appetite within the industry for uniform size restrictions. "I am absolutely convinced the airlines would object to the proposal. And MPs and the government would support this," says Frank Brehany. Nevertheless, to ensure it is not your luggage that is squeezed out when all the overhead lockers are full, do get to the boarding gate in good time. Suffering the indignity of having to turn out your possessions in public - or even having them shoved into the hold at the last moment is not going to be the best start to your trip. Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: LiskeardRich on September 13, 2014, 20:23:34 I'm flying hand luggage only with Ryanair in October from Bristol, and am allowed 55x40x20 cm for my bag plus one smaller piece which I've forgotten the dimensions.
What I've noticed is all the suitcases advertised as hand luggage size in shops are 55x40x25cm. I can't find any airline allowing bigger than the 20cm dimension though. I can't complain at Ryanair to be fair though looking at the overall picture. I'm taking my daughter to see my grandad in Crete at half term and it's cost me less than ^100 return each (including paying the extra for pre booked seats). Easyjet from London or Manchester wanted close to ^400 return each. Thomson came up at ^600 each return! Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: ellendune on September 13, 2014, 21:33:22 I'm flying hand luggage only with Ryanair in October from Bristol, and am allowed 55x40x20 cm for my bag plus one smaller piece which I've forgotten the dimensions. What I've noticed is all the suitcases advertised as hand luggage size in shops are 55x40x25cm. I can't find any airline allowing bigger than the 20cm dimension though. I can't complain at Ryanair to be fair though looking at the overall picture. I'm taking my daughter to see my grandad in Crete at half term and it's cost me less than ^100 return each (including paying the extra for pre booked seats). Easyjet from London or Manchester wanted close to ^400 return each. Thomson came up at ^600 each return! Last time I bought a new suitcase they had a list of all airlines current requirements and a colour coding system to identify which ones met these requirements. Can't remember the name of the store but it was in the outlet village in Swindon. As for the high prices by Easyjet and Thomson - this shows that their flights are nearly full! Perhaps Ryanair is not nearly full - wonder why that might be? Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: LiskeardRich on September 13, 2014, 21:52:30 I'm flying hand luggage only with Ryanair in October from Bristol, and am allowed 55x40x20 cm for my bag plus one smaller piece which I've forgotten the dimensions. What I've noticed is all the suitcases advertised as hand luggage size in shops are 55x40x25cm. I can't find any airline allowing bigger than the 20cm dimension though. I can't complain at Ryanair to be fair though looking at the overall picture. I'm taking my daughter to see my grandad in Crete at half term and it's cost me less than ^100 return each (including paying the extra for pre booked seats). Easyjet from London or Manchester wanted close to ^400 return each. Thomson came up at ^600 each return! Last time I bought a new suitcase they had a list of all airlines current requirements and a colour coding system to identify which ones met these requirements. Can't remember the name of the store but it was in the outlet village in Swindon. As for the high prices by Easyjet and Thomson - this shows that their flights are nearly full! Perhaps Ryanair is not nearly full - wonder why that might be? The Ryanair flight is into a small airport on Crete. The main airport where Brits go is Heraklion about 150km away. I'm flying into chania. Chania is more convenient for me to get to my grandads, Ryanair have 3 flights each way that week, compared to the other operator having 1 each way. Ryanair are now coming up at just short of ^250 each return. Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: chuffed on September 14, 2014, 08:48:19 I have a canvas wheelie bag which I bought for less than ^20 on line with the dimensions 50 X 40 X 20 printed very large into the fabric. It is robust light , and is just the job.. When i was at the bottom of the steps about to board the easyjet plane at La Rochelle I was called over .....and the look on the easyjet attendants face as I slowly turned the bag round, was priceless !.
Highly recommended! Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: Thatcham Crossing on September 14, 2014, 09:54:02 I would issue a note of caution if you're flying with Flybe, and particularly their franchise operators.
Their aeroplanes, the Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 turboprop and Embraer regional jets, all feature "4 across" cabins and smaller overhead luggage bins (due to the narrower fuselage) than you will find in an Easyjet or Monarch Airbus, or a Ryanair Boeing 737. Their franchise operators, Loganair (mainly inter-Scotland flights) and Stobart Air (mainly flights on ATR turboprops to/from Southend) have even smaller limits, due to the limitations of the aircraft types used. These smaller sizes are clear in all their publicity, as detailed below: Cabin bag allowance Flights operated by: Flybe 55 x 40 x 23cm, 10kg Stobart Air 49 x 37 x 22cm, 7kg Loganair 40 x 35 x 18cm, 6kg Although these appear to be similar limits (for Flybe themselves, at least) I know from personal experience that the height of the bag at 23cm is a physical limit on the Q400, for example, it will literally just fit at that height (whereas it will fit with plenty of room to spare in an Airbus or Boeing). Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: basset44 on September 14, 2014, 11:36:04 Hi All,
Just flew to Warsaw Modlin with Ryan Air was a bit apprehensive has it was my first time Bought a bag from Tesco Direct which is one of the lightest because Ryan Air has a weight limit of 10Kg it is currently out of stock http://www.tesco.com/direct/it-luggage-worlds-lightest-suitcase-black-small/307-2511.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=307-2511 It fits the dimensions but you must not overfill it. The other bag could be a medium carrier bag. There was no problem with this bag Basset Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: LiskeardRich on September 14, 2014, 11:48:40 Hi All, Just flew to Warsaw Modlin with Ryan Air was a bit apprehensive has it was my first time Bought a bag from Tesco Direct which is one of the lightest because Ryan Air has a weight limit of 10Kg it is currently out of stock http://www.tesco.com/direct/it-luggage-worlds-lightest-suitcase-black-small/307-2511.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=307-2511 It fits the dimensions but you must not overfill it. The other bag could be a medium carrier bag. There was no problem with this bag Basset How did you find Ryanair - its my first time 6 weeks from today with them Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: Brucey on September 14, 2014, 11:54:42 I have just packed for a flight this week with Ryanair. Noticed that the case expanded to about 23cm depth when full. It will most likely squash into the metal cage at the airport, but I have also packed a small cotton bag so I can decant some clothing if needed and use this as my "small second bag". Annoyingly, on my return, my case will have to be checked in as Air Berlin have a 8kg limit.
Only once have I ever seen Ryanair weighing cases at the boarding gate, at Gdansk in Poland, where they had scales at all the low cost airline gates. In Bologna, there is an additional machine at the security entrance which measures and weighs your luggage before opening a glass door into the security area if you are compliant with your airline's regulations (it knows who you are flying with as the boarding pass has to be scanned in the machine first). How did you find Ryanair - its my first time 6 weeks from today with them I'm a fairly regular Ryanair traveller. They are not much different to other airlines, except they will try to sell you lots (but of course you don't have to buy it). Just make sure you comply with the rules (print your boarding pass before arriving at the airport and make sure your luggage is compliant) and you will have a hassle free journey. You can take your own food on-board to eat if you prefer not to pay their high prices (^3 for a cup of tea/coffee and about ^5 for sandwiches). I've actually had some of my most comfortable flights on Ryanair.Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: ChrisB on September 14, 2014, 16:18:24 And they're famous for punctuality
Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: Jason on September 15, 2014, 10:47:11 I've used Ryanair a lot from various UK airports to Spain and they're fine as long as you play by their rules.
One thing that was different this year was a lot of people being forced to put their carry on in the hold (at no charge) because the flight 'was full'. There is plenty of press on this, eg http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10843238/Ryanairs-baggage-policy-angers-passengers.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10843238/Ryanairs-baggage-policy-angers-passengers.html) largely blaming it on the new policy of being allowed a 2nd small carry on item. We were hit with this on both legs of our holiday this year and ended up having to put one carry on in the hold (there being three of us). Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: SDS on September 15, 2014, 15:17:52 And they're famous for punctuality Something called padding, think they use that in the railway as well ? ? ? :-p And [play message 101] "TA DAH ANOTHER ONTIME RYANAIR FLIGHT. LAST YEAR WE WERE THE MOST..........." the annoying touch down message. Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: LiskeardRich on September 15, 2014, 17:51:47 I've used Ryanair a lot from various UK airports to Spain and they're fine as long as you play by their rules. One thing that was different this year was a lot of people being forced to put their carry on in the hold (at no charge) because the flight 'was full'. There is plenty of press on this, eg http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10843238/Ryanairs-baggage-policy-angers-passengers.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10843238/Ryanairs-baggage-policy-angers-passengers.html) largely blaming it on the new policy of being allowed a 2nd small carry on item. We were hit with this on both legs of our holiday this year and ended up having to put one carry on in the hold (there being three of us). It gave a warning when I booked that they can only take 90 hand luggage sized suitcases and any further will be checked in free of charge. Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: basset44 on September 15, 2014, 19:32:53 Hi richwarwicker,
The flight was fine in-fact I have no concern now I flown with them about going again, okay has others have said follow the rules and you shouldn't have a problem. I see you booked seats have you also done priority boarding? I did not my seat allocated out was an aisle seat number 18 and I was able to take my case aboard my ticket allocated back was a middle seat I paid ^7.50 to change to aisle seat at Stansted again seat 18. When I went through passport control at Warsaw Modlin Ryanair staff came along the crowd looking at Boarding Passes and Sticking hold tags on bags with a copy attached to the boarding pass. I had this and had to deposit my bag to some baggage handlers near the plane, by the time I had gone through passport control at Stansted my bag was on the baggage belt. I worried over nothing everything was fine okay they not BA , Lufthansa etc but they beat Wizz Air and for the price I am looking to fly again this time from Bristol. Basset Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: LiskeardRich on September 15, 2014, 20:12:30 Thank you Basset44. I didn't bother with priority boarding, we all get on the plane. I have seats 6E and 6F both ways. It looks like my flight may be quiet as only 4 other seats were showing already reserved. I'm travelling with my daughter so wanted to be sure we had good seats together.
Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: Andrew1939 from West Oxon on September 16, 2014, 15:13:48 A few years ago I and three companions, one of whom was wheelchair bound, flew from Stansted to Santiago de Compostela. We booked disabled assistnance and the Ryanair staff were very helpful. We had the first three rows inside the front door (18 seats) to ourselves so were able to spread out but nearly all the seats behind were occupied. Some other people tried to join us but a member of the crew told them the seats were reserved leaving me slightly uncomforable. I therefore have only compliments on my admittedly very limited Ryanair experience.
Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: LiskeardRich on September 16, 2014, 15:39:15 A few years ago I and three companions, one of whom was wheelchair bound, flew from Stansted to Santiago de Compostela. We booked disabled assistnance and the Ryanair staff were very helpful. We had the first three rows inside the front door (18 seats) to ourselves so were able to spread out but nearly all the seats behind were occupied. Some other people tried to join us but a member of the crew told them the seats were reserved leaving me slightly uncomforable. I therefore have only compliments on my admittedly very limited Ryanair experience. My Gran was wheelchair bound for last 4 or 5 years of her life. My Grandad still managed to bring her between the UK and Greece house. He flew with Easyjet and some of the more higher end airlines. He said Easyjet provided the best disabled assistance by far. Ryanair have now started flying to his local airport from 5 or 6 UK airports and have undercut Easyjet by more than 50% so Ryanair are getting a lot of custom by various members of my family Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: Brucey on September 17, 2014, 15:53:03 The only time I had my hand baggage checked in was when I was actually onboard on a Ryanair plane before leaving Krakow. There wasn't enough space left when I boarded so it was "gate checked".
Yesterday I had a rather odd experience at Bournemouth. On dropping off our hold luggage at the bag drop desk, they offered to check in our hang baggage there and then for no additional cost. At the boarding gate, random bags were chosen to be "gate checked". They had a label attached and were told to leave it in a cage by the wing before boarding. This led to a much mpre civilised experience as everyone was sat with their luggage (unless it was checked in). Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: TonyK on September 28, 2014, 20:10:38 For Christmas a few years back, our "kids" clubbed together to buy us a pair of Samsonite hand-baggage size cases. On our first serious outing with them, they were too big for Virgin Atlantic. They checked them into the hold gratis, though.
They are well within the limits for EasyPeasyJet. On my last two trips with them, I was asked if I wanted them checked into the hold, FOC, an offer I accepted gladly. Their Ts & Cs for baggage allowances state that you may take: Quote Option 1: ONE piece of cabin baggage no bigger than 50 x 40 x 20cm including handles and wheels. Guaranteed to always travel with you in the cabin. Option 2: ONE piece of cabin baggage within our maximum allowed size limitations, 56 x 45 x 25cm including handles and wheels. On some busy flights your bag may have to go into the hold, at no extra cost. Unlike most people, my needs for a 3 hour flight do not need a bag of that size, so I am happy to retrieve my newspaper and hand it over if asked. The reason I am travelling so light is economy, which aim is met without me having to lug the brute around on the plane.Hence also Brucey's "odd experience" at Bournemouth, I assume. Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: Brucey on September 28, 2014, 20:28:30 I took Air Berlin up on their offer of checking in my hand baggage, free of charge, on my return journey from Ibiza for exactly the same reason as FTN (i.e. I didn't want to drag the thing round the airport and plane, especially as I was taking an indirect flight). Sadly the suitcase never made it onto my connecting flight in Zurich (40 min scheduled connection, which actually turned into a 2hr connection as the plane was delayed on an earlier journey).
After waiting a while and then filing a mishandled baggage report, I left the airport some 90 minutes after landing. The following two days were spent waiting at home for British Airways to deliver my suitcase, resulting in the cancellation of my other plans for those days. The service was far from perfect and no indication was given as to when it would actually be delivered. It eventually turned up 47 hours after I landed in the UK, with the main zipper broken making the case almost useless. I have now revised my opinion and feel that the additional effort of carrying your suitcase through the airport is worth it to keep your possessions in sight at all times. Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: ellendune on September 28, 2014, 21:03:16 I have always taken this view and see no reason to change.
Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: LiskeardRich on September 28, 2014, 21:10:43 For Christmas a few years back, our "kids" clubbed together to buy us a pair of Samsonite hand-baggage size cases. . Ryanair try selling Samsonite hand baggage cases as an add on if you don't select a hold luggage. (I noticed the advert in amongst every other add on sale they tried such as car parking, transfers, hotels, car hire, charity donations, priority boarding) I'm pretty certain the only thing they didn't try and sell me was the actual plane! Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: TonyK on September 29, 2014, 17:30:56 Ryanair try selling Samsonite hand baggage cases as an add on if you don't select a hold luggage. (I noticed the advert in amongst every other add on sale they tried such as car parking, transfers, hotels, car hire, charity donations, priority boarding) I'm pretty certain the only thing they didn't try and sell me was the actual plane! If you want to buy a second-hand Boeing 737-800, one careful owner (plus Ryanair) from new, I'm sure we can do business, Squire! The list price is $93 million, but it can be yours for a mere ^45 million* (* Plus VAT. Optional extras can be purchased at the time of ordering - these include wheels, CFMI CFM56-7 engines (you will need 2 @ $6 million apiece), toilets with ^1 coin mechanism, seats, and doors. Additional costs will be charged if these items are ordered on collection, rather than in advance. Total cost in any case likely to be $94 million. Payment by Ryanair pre-payment card is free, if used at least three times annually. Visa Debit card charge is 1.5%,all credit cards 7.5%. Our usual cast-iron guarantee applies: if it doesn't work, you broke it, and if you don't like it, you can p*** right off!) Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: Thatcham Crossing on September 29, 2014, 19:43:05 It's well known, FTN, that Ryanair do such big deals with Boeing (and play them off against Airbus each time) that they pay nothing like that for each of their 737-800's. Industry rumours have long suggested that Mr O'Leary gets about a 50% volume discount.
It's also a part of their ruthless business model that they only keep most of their aircraft until (expensive) heavy checks become due, then hand them back to the lessors - a bit like getting rid of your car before the expensive major services come around. On average, I understand this equates to a life in Ryanair colours of around 6 years....although it's hours flown and cycles (take-off's and landings) that determine when the checks are needed. Sorry for going off thread a bit ;-) Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: LiskeardRich on September 29, 2014, 20:05:26 It's well known, FTN, that Ryanair do such big deals with Boeing (and play them off against Airbus each time) that they pay nothing like that for each of their 737-800's. Industry rumours have long suggested that Mr O'Leary gets about a 50% volume discount. It's also a part of their ruthless business model that they only keep most of their aircraft until (expensive) heavy checks become due, then hand them back to the lessors - a bit like getting rid of your car before the expensive major services come around. On average, I understand this equates to a life in Ryanair colours of around 6 years....although it's hours flown and cycles (take-off's and landings) that determine when the checks are needed. Sorry for going off thread a bit ;-) As of March 2013, the average age of the Ryanair fleet was 5.5 years, which they claim to be the newest fleet in Europe Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: John R on September 29, 2014, 20:22:08 [quote author=Thatcham Crossing link=topic=14571.msg162160#msg162160 date=1412016185
It's also a part of their ruthless business model that they only keep most of their aircraft until (expensive) heavy checks become due, then hand them back to the lessors - a bit like getting rid of your car before the expensive major services come around. [/quote] I'm not sure I'd call that ruthless. If the lessors agree a contract that enable the airline to hand back the planes then they will understand full well the contract they are entering into. And can't complain if Ryanair exercise the option. Ruthless means without pity, and I don't think one could think of global aircraft leasing companies in those terms. Of course, I can think of another contract where one party had a break clause and duly walked away to their financial advantage at that point. But that would risk a digression from the thread. Title: Re: Size matters: Which airlines are best for hand baggage? Post by: TonyK on September 29, 2014, 23:03:04 It's well known, FTN, that Ryanair do such big deals with Boeing (and play them off against Airbus each time) that they pay nothing like that for each of their 737-800's. Industry rumours have long suggested that Mr O'Leary gets about a 50% volume discount. It's also a part of their ruthless business model that they only keep most of their aircraft until (expensive) heavy checks become due, then hand them back to the lessors - a bit like getting rid of your car before the expensive major services come around. On average, I understand this equates to a life in Ryanair colours of around 6 years....although it's hours flown and cycles (take-off's and landings) that determine when the checks are needed. Sorry for going off thread a bit ;-) Well known by me, also, but I can't resist a bit of fun. I'm not sure they play Boeing against Airbus particularly, as they have no Airbus aircraft. They have over 300 738s, and nothing else. EasyJet went the other way. Having originally used only 737's, they began to order Airbus aircraft in 2002, and phased out all their Boeings. Having all of one type makes for economies of purchase and of servicing. The only RyanAir plane I have flown in was older and noisier than its Easyjet neighbours at Bristol, but that is in the past. Hours and cycles certainly dictate servicing periods, but modern engines, like modern cars, have much greater gaps between major overhauls. Much of the difference between the two airlines may be about bag size, to make this relevant. This page is printed from the "Coffee Shop" forum at http://gwr.passenger.chat which is provided by a customer of Great Western Railway. Views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that content provided contravenes our posting rules ( see http://railcustomer.info/1761 ). The forum is hosted by Well House Consultants - http://www.wellho.net |