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Title: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: Chris from Nailsea on July 14, 2014, 17:54:43
From the First Great Western press release:

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New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall

The Department for Transport has today agreed to the first significant redesign of First Great Western^s mainline timetable in Devon and Cornwall for over a decade.

The changes will see an improved service for the South West, providing an earlier morning direct service from London to Plymouth and Cornwall, getting to key destinations beyond Totnes 40 minutes earlier than today.

Answering the calls of local business, the proposals will deliver a much improved service for the region, supporting the generation of economic growth through improved connectivity between major centres.

Key improvements include:
^        The 0706 Paddington to Paignton service will now instead run to Plymouth and Penzance, arriving 40 minutes earlier at key stations from Totnes and beyond than the current first direct service from London. The 0730 Paddington to Penzance service will now instead run to Paignton.
^        Additional capacity for summer travellers on the late morning (1039) service from Plymouth through Cornwall by using an eight carriage High Speed Train rather than a smaller local train.
^        Faster mid-morning service between Paddington and Plymouth
^        Improved connections between Paddington and Torbay
^        Faster return service between Paignton and London

First Great Western Managing Director Mark Hopwood said: ^We have been able to make important changes that have gone a long way to support the communities we serve, increasing the number of services in the south west by 143% since 2007. The South West is a key region for First Great Western and one which we are proud to serve. We know the needs of the region are changing and we need to make sure our timetable reflects the requirements of passengers and communities. In particular, these changes we are planning reflect the long standing aspirations of customers across the South West. It is something we have wanted to do for some time and I am delighted that the Department for Transport and the responses to the local consultation have allowed us to take this forward. This has been a difficult year for rail travel in the south west and it is great to deliver some good news to follow the speedy recovery from the sea wall collapse.  It also comes at a time when we are promoting travel to Devon and Cornwall through television and national media advertising.^

Transport Secretary Patrick McLoughlin said: ^It^s great news that passengers will be able to travel from London into Plymouth and Cornwall earlier and faster. These new services will help open the south west for business, giving a boost to the region^s economy. Strong transport links are the key to our long-term economic plan, which is why we are investing ^38 billion over the next five years on maintaining and improving our railways. I am pleased to see train companies like First Great Western playing their part by giving passengers better services.^

Councillor Tudor Evans, Leader, Plymouth City Council said: ^I am delighted that First Great Western has listened to what the Council and I have been arguing for along with the business community.  The early morning train to Plymouth from London is really important and could transform London^s view of our City^

Steve Hindley, Chair Heart of South West LEP said: "We welcome the announcement of earlier trains into Plymouth and Cornwall from London by First Great Western, which will improve our links with the capital and south east. Better connectivity is an essential element of our plans for economic growth, and this is a first and vital step in investment into our infrastructure.^
 
Ben Rhodes, Chief Executive Devon and Cornwall Business Council said: "These timetable changes are great news. FGW have worked effectively with stakeholders from across their routes to ensure that, often simple, but highly effective changes are made to the timetable to improve serves for most users. Specifically for business travellers travelling into and out of Devon and Cornwall; the retention of direct London services to Torbay, and the addition of a direct service from Bath and Bristol, the earlier arrival in Plymouth and Penzance are all welcomed"

Chris Pomfret, chairman of the Cornwall and Isles of Scilly Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP) said: ^Earlier trains into Penzance from London, a better spread of services throughout the day and improved connections to high speed services are all things the LEP has asked for so this announcement is very welcome. Connectivity from London is vital for business and leisure travellers alike and these changes will benefit not just Cornwall but the Isles of Scilly as well. Coupled with planned investment in the sleeper service and new signalling, this is great news for rail travel in our region.^

Subject to approval by Network Rail, the new timetable will operate from December this year.


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: ChrisB on July 14, 2014, 18:21:54
It will be extremely interesting to see if the earlier HST to PLY makes any difference whatsoever....


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: Ivor Dewdney on July 14, 2014, 20:32:35
Hopefully the 07.06 will run via Bristol instead of the 07.30 - but noting the journey time, I doubt it. 
Otherwise, not too helpful for me - a long time user of the 07.30 ex-Paddington, travelling from Chippenham direct to Plymouth.  I believe the only direct train of the day, in this direction.
Linked with the withdrawal of my favoured Coach G, it's going to be very tempting to take the car after December.


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: John R on July 14, 2014, 21:07:00
No, the intention is that the 0706 still runs direct, thus giving the required improvement in first arrival time in Plymouth. The 0730 will still run via Bristol, as you note from the departure time.

And welcome to the CoffeeShop, fosspete!


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: bobm on July 14, 2014, 22:20:13
I must admit the re-routing of the 07:30 (08:27 off Swindon) is not ideal for me.

I assume it will connect into a XC HST at Newton Abbot but that will mean a half hour later arrival into Plymouth and later still into Cornwall by virtue of another change.

You could still make the re-jigged 07:06 from Swindon, if it keeps its current stopping pattern, to arrive in Penzance by lunchtime but it would mean leaving a whole two hours earlier and changing at Bristol Temple Meads and Taunton!!  I suspect also it won't be an off peak fare either.

I wonder if the new look 07:30 will adopt the stopping pattern of the other train to Paignton via Box (the 10:00 ex Pad) which calls at Dawlish and Teignmouth?


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: Trowres on July 14, 2014, 22:39:22
Now if we had a suitable TransWilts connection at Westbury it would provide a good alternative to for Swindon and Chippenham to Plymouth etc. ...


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: TaplowGreen on July 15, 2014, 06:22:05
Good news, and long overdue........at last there is a realisation that the World does not end at Exeter.


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: ChrisB on July 15, 2014, 09:30:07
It will be extremely interesting to see if the earlier HST to PLY makes any difference whatsoever....


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: Super Guard on July 16, 2014, 17:38:47
I must admit the re-routing of the 07:30 (08:27 off Swindon) is not ideal for me.

I assume it will connect into a XC HST at Newton Abbot but that will mean a half hour later arrival into Plymouth and later still into Cornwall by virtue of another change.

You could still make the re-jigged 07:06 from Swindon, if it keeps its current stopping pattern, to arrive in Penzance by lunchtime but it would mean leaving a whole two hours earlier and changing at Bristol Temple Meads and Taunton!!  I suspect also it won't be an off peak fare either.

I wonder if the new look 07:30 will adopt the stopping pattern of the other train to Paignton via Box (the 10:00 ex Pad) which calls at Dawlish and Teignmouth?

I imagine it will run the same stops that the 0706 did after Exeter, especially given the return 1A82 will be a faster service on return to London, so I doubt they'll add extra stops on the way down to schedule the arrival into Paignton any later.  The Cardiff-Paignton service will only be ~15 minutes behind as well, so 1A82 will need to clear Paignton, unless Goodrington is used.


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: bobm on November 23, 2014, 10:51:13
Confirmation in the new timetables now on the FGW website that the 07:06 from Paddington will now run to Penzance from December.  The 07:30 will go to Paignton via Bristol Temple Meads and be named the Devon Express.

The Merchant Venturer, formerly applied to the 07:30, will now be carried by the 08:00 Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads.


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 23, 2014, 10:59:02
Yes.....but there will be a two hour gap in the early morning departures (0706 to 0906).  No other major city in the west has that.  Although it will be useful for some, for most people getting to Paddington for 0706 may prove difficult.

Its obviously been done as an 'operating convienience rather than being a true 'revolution'  :P

Although I've only ever used the 0730 once or twice over the past few years, and witnessed a large amount of people travelling well past Plymouth, does anybody know how well the current 0706 to Paignton loads?


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: bobm on November 23, 2014, 11:08:19
Yes.....but there will be a two hour gap in the early morning departures (0706 to 0906).  No other major city in the west has that.  Although it will be useful for some, for most people getting to Paddington for 0706 may prove difficult.

To say nothing of those between Swindon and Bristol Temple Meads who lose a through service and now have a poor connection from Exeter to Penzance.


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: John R on November 23, 2014, 11:24:04
It appears to be an 8 minute connection, which I wouldn't describe as poor.


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: bobm on November 23, 2014, 11:25:12
The connection itself isn't the poor bit - the standard of accommodation is!  ;)


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: SandTEngineer on November 23, 2014, 11:39:58
What time would you have to leave Swindon to make a connection into the 0706 at Reading?  Is that a permitted route?


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: bobm on November 23, 2014, 11:43:57
To make the 07:06 you would have to leave Swindon at 06:12 and wait 90 minutes at Westbury or buy an extra ticket and leave at 6:41 and travel via Reading.

You would arrive in Penzance 45 minutes earlier than at present, but still not very attractive to the current 08:27 departure.


Title: Re: New timetable means earlier and more frequent services for Devon and Cornwall
Post by: The Tall Controller on November 24, 2014, 18:23:24
Although it does leave the fine people of Swindon, Chippenham and Bath without a direct service to Plymouth and Cornwall it does solve a capacity problem down in the South West. Not only will it run in place of a 2 coach train in Cornwall going down (usually busy with people going to Truro and St Ives) but on it's return leg it breaks up what is currently a 4 hour gap between direct trains to London. (Currently 1000 and 1400 from Penzance)   

In other news, not sure I like the Grey background with yellow writing cover to the timetables but its nice to see the named trains getting a little more publicity.

Oh and you can now have a longer day out in Looe or Liskeard if you go from Coombe Junction Halt! Lets see the numbers rise!  ;D



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