Title: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on March 20, 2014, 20:04:19 An Email has just been circulated by the RMT
20th March 2014 Quote ...The RMT will no longer tolerate such contempt towards our membership and therefore I am making the necessary arrangements to recommence the ballot of all our First Great Western members for both strike action and industrial action short of a strike. Mick Cash Assistant General Secretary Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: JayMac on March 20, 2014, 20:29:40 Reason(s) for the action?
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on March 20, 2014, 22:18:00 I dont know if the Email that is currently being circulated is embargoed or not. So cant publish it in full.
Skimming over it (The Email). FGW have sacked several reps without following policies. Sacked other members again without following policy. Have failed to take agency staff back in-house. Failure to remove or agree to remove zero-hour contracts. I will obviously edit this post when and if the Email is published. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: IndustryInsider on March 21, 2014, 11:26:25 I wonder if Mick Cash will take over the General Secretary's job full time. With that surname and if boss of a major union, he's a headline writer's dream!
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: TaplowGreen on March 22, 2014, 09:08:27 .....and so it continues - is there ever a time when the RMT aren't ranting/threatening strike action over something? ::)
What is it this time? Removal by dastardly imperialist management of second biscuit at fourth tea break? Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: broadgage on March 22, 2014, 10:45:03 I suspect that it is partly due to the recent passing away of Bob Crow.
A cynic like me might suspect that the deputy or interim leadership of the union want to prove that they are as tough as the late leader. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ChrisB on March 24, 2014, 09:40:34 Juggling for his job too....
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: IndustryInsider on March 24, 2014, 11:07:03 A cynic like me might suspect that the deputy or interim leadership of the union want to prove that they are as tough as the late leader. I think in this particular example, your cynicism is perfectly valid. Bob Crow's profile and 'achievement' list will be a very hard act to follow for whoever becomes the new General Secretary. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: TaplowGreen on March 24, 2014, 18:31:32 A cynic like me might suspect that the deputy or interim leadership of the union want to prove that they are as tough as the late leader. I think in this particular example, your cynicism is perfectly valid. Bob Crow's profile and 'achievement' list will be a very hard act to follow for whoever becomes the new General Secretary. ...........I'm sure there are plenty of dinosaurs forming an orderly queue. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on March 28, 2014, 00:21:45 Now FGW have responded I can post the original RMT Email and FGW's response.
Quote BREAKDOWN IN INDUSTRIAL RELATIONS - FIRST GREAT WESTERN Further to the union's correspondence dated the 28th January 2014 with regards to the above matter and in relation to the union's decision to suspend the ballot for industrial action between the RMT and FGW, to allow for further negotiations between our two organisations to reach an agreed and final position on the outstanding issues our members were experiencing difficulties with, which had resulted in a complete breakdown of industrial relations. I can now advise you that an Avoidance of Disputes meeting has been held between your Senior Union Representatives and FGW management where all of the unresolved issues surrounding this dispute were discussed in full. Although some progress has been made on many of the issues, the union remains concerned with the following: Dismissals and Disciplinary Procedure The RMT remains concerned by First Great Western's failure to either reinstate or reach an agreement over the dismissal of our Guard member Brother <name removed>, despite a Directors Review into his dismissal being held. In addition to Brother <removed>, the union is also concerned over the dismissal of RMT Local Representative Brother <name removed>, a Customer Host based at Paddington. Brother <removed> was dismissed following a period of absence directly attributable to a long standing medical condition. The RMT believes that First Great Western failed to adhere to the company's Valuing Ability Procedure and should withdraw all charges against Brother <removed>. The company's procedure was created with the intention of dealing with all disability cases. However, it has been blatantly disregarded by the company despite it being clear that our member has suffered from a well documented long term disability. Furthermore, the company failed to adhere to the agreed procedure by failing to notify the RMT of their intention to discipline a Union Representative. Despite the assurances provided by First Great Western to provide full procedural training to managers to reduce the levels of dismissals, the fact remains that the company operate both an insensitive and draconian disciplinary procedure. The dismissals and subsequent refusal to reinstate or reconsider the position of both Brother <removed> and Brother <removed> leaves the union of the clear view that First Great Western has no intention of changing its heavy handed tactics. Agency and Contract Workers The RMT welcomes the commitment from First Great Western to bring into direct employment, staff employed on catering services on the Class 180 operated services. However, the union remains deeply concerned by the company's refusal to address the MITIE contract. The RMT has noted that 'the company does not commit to the internalisation of all cleaning services which are currently provided by MITIE. However, where any local opportunities exist for such internalisation to take place using directly employed labour and this can be achieved at no net material cost to the business then this will be considered.' The union has received further clarification regarding this statement from your Regional Organiser, indicating that this commitment actually refers to the company identifying current FGW employees to undertake cleaning work and as such, indicates the dispensing of our MITIE members and not their direct employment. As you may be aware, our MITIE members at Paddington and Old Oak Common are currently in dispute over the basic London Living Wage and to make such a statement is both immoral and disgraceful. Additionally, the RMT has grave concerns regarding First Great Western's proposed Collective Agreement on the use of agency and contractor workers. The RMT rejects this derisory offer which, if agreed, would allow for consultation and not agreement regarding the use of agency and contract workers. If allowed, this could potentially be a direct attack on core railway workers jobs and livelihoods. The RMT demands that First Great Western face up to its direct responsibilities and end the exploitation of our MITIE members by bringing them into direct employment. Further, the RMT demands that the company enter into meaningful negotiations around a Collective Agreement regarding the use of both agency and contract workers. Zero Hour Contracts The RMT remains concerned regarding First Great Westerns failure to give any firm assurances to cease the use of zero hour contracts. The company's response fails to give any firm commitments regarding timescales for the removal or indeed any details of the implications of those staff currently engaged on such contracts. The RMT is of the view that the following response from First Great Western is ambiguous and completely unacceptable to our membership: 'We are currently reviewing zero hour contracts; we are reviewing the requirements of the business together with what options of contracts we have going forward. There is further work to take place, however we can give you our assurances that we won't be using zero hour contracts in the future.' The RMT is of the clear view that despite some progress being made on these issues it is nowhere near adequate enough to completely satisfy the factors behind the dispute situation. The reality is that First Great Western has shown scant regard to any form of meaningful approach to negotiations with your union. The RMT will no longer tolerate such contempt towards our membership and therefore I am making the necessary arrangements to recommence the ballot of all our First Great Western members for both strike action and industrial action short of a strike. It is imperative that we stand together and demonstrate your strength of feeling to the company in this dispute. I strongly urge you to show your support by voting 'YES' to both questions in the ballot for industrial action when you receive your voting paper. I will, of course, keep you fully advised on any further developments. Quote Thursday 27 March 2014 FASTLINE: Response to RMT's notice of ballot Dear colleague, I am extremely disappointed that we have received notice of a ballot for industrial action from the RMT, despite the trade union still not responding to the package of proposals we put forward to resolve the issues between us in January. The RMT have not responded to us on any of these issues but have now advised that we remain in dispute due to concerns over Dismissals and Disciplinary Procedure, Agency and Contract Workers and Zero Hours Contracts. Our position on each of those is outlined below: Dismissals and the Disciplinary Procedure - We repeated our commitment that full procedural training will be provided to all managers, including disciplinary and investigation training, and confirmed that we are recruiting a team of trainers to deliver this training. - We agreed to formalise our earlier commitment to make the Investigating Officer, rather than the Hearing Officer, responsible for the formulation of any disciplinary charges. This was tabled at the last Company Council on 6 March 2014 and we are awaiting a response from Trades Unions. The RMT have specifically raised concerns about the dismissal of Conductor <name removed> who was dismissed in September 2013 for a serious safety breach involving a train dispatch irregularity that endangered the safety of a young child. Our agreed disciplinary procedure was followed to the letter, and the final decision was also upheld as part of a Director^s review. <removed> was supported by RMT solicitors, and in the past six months have chosen not to challenge that decision in the courts. Agency and Contract Workers - The RMT gave us proposed wording for a collective agreement regarding agency and contract staff. We suggested a number of amendments and are still waiting for a response. - We had previously committed to bring in-house any catering services which the business requires on Class 180 operated services that are currently outsourced to Rail Gourmet. - The RMT sought a commitment to internalise all cleaning services which are currently provided by MITIE. While we are not able to make such a commitment, we have indicated that this will be considered where any local opportunities exist for such internalisation to take place using directly employed labour, and this can be achieved at no net material cost to the business. Zero Hour Contracts - We confirmed our commitment to a permanent workforce but again emphasised the seasonal nature of our operation requires some flexibility. - We are currently reviewing Zero Hour Contracts, particularly the requirements of the business and the options of contracts we have going forward. We gave assurances that we won^t be issuing any zero hour contracts in the future. We have committed to review current zero hours contracts with the aim of eliminating them and are currently undertaking this process. I am particularly frustrated that the RMT represent that these issues have such an impact on its members that they need to threaten strike action at every opportunity, yet they have not been able to formally respond to our written proposals. We have responded to the RMT's letter repeating our request for a response to our proposals and ask that they reconsider their decision to ballot on these issues. We have been notified that the opening day of the ballot will be Tuesday 1 April 2014, for those colleagues who are members of RMT and will be receiving a ballot paper we would strongly urge you to consider the above when deciding how to vote. We will keep you updated. Andy Mellors Deputy Managing Director Moderator note: Neither the RMT email to members or FGW's internal staff bulletin 'FASTLINE' are in the public domain. I've therefore removed the names of individual staff members from these communications. bignosemac Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: TaplowGreen on March 28, 2014, 10:06:03 .........looks like the usual sabre rattling, beating of chests & taking positions to me, in terms of the "Brother" who has been dismissed for the dangerous dispatch, looks like he was bang to rights, particularly if the solicitor isn't disputing it, and Brother Customer Host has had too much sick leave.
I've got some experience in these areas and whilst I'm not privy to the exact detail, I'll wager that in both cases the RMT are going down the unfair dismissal route due to an i not being dotted or a t not being crossed procedurally, can't say I blame them for that, they are trying to secure the best outcome for their fraternal members, however this is a legal matter/decision on a point of law/procedure and should be heard in the appropriate forum if it can't be agreed internally, its not a case for Industrial Disputes. In terms of Agency/Contract workers for cleaning etc, whilst their objectives are laudable, they're not living in the real world.....the days of large companies maintaining hordes of directly employed cleaners etc are long gone, the costs are simply too high. I suspect "Brother" Cash is seeking to raise his profile.... Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: grahame on March 28, 2014, 11:49:11 A note for new readers to this forum. The views you'll see here are the views of individual posters - and any individual with an interest is able to sign up (for free) and contribute within the terms of our user agreement, acceptable user policy and guidelines (http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=1761.0). The views do not necessarily reflect the views of the forum's administrators or moderators.
Our admin and moderator team celebrates our ability to provide a forum where such differing views can politely be discussed, explained and documented, often with the positive outcome that our members can understand opposing viewpoints and positions much better. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: JayMac on April 03, 2014, 13:55:09 From the BBC (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-26867466):
Quote Strike ballot for First Great Western railway staff Railway workers at First Great Western are to be balloted for industrial action, the Rail, Maritime and Transport Union has said. Acting general secretary Mick Cash said the dispute is over a number of issues including agency work and employment contracts. He said members would be asked if they are prepared to take part in industrial action up to and including strikes. First Great Western (FGW) said it would be commenting on the decision later. 'Long-standing issues' The union, which has around 2,000 members at the company including drivers and onboard crew, said it was in dispute over dismissals and disciplinary procedures, agency and contract working and zero hour contracts. It called on bosses "to come to the negotiating table and resolve these long-standing issues". "We want to see a collective agreement regarding the use of both agency and contract workers," Mr Cash said. "We also want the company to end its use of zero hour contracts, which we believe are exploitative and leave workers with no guarantee of what they will earn." FGW operates trains across the Western region, carrying 1.5m passengers every week on 9,000 services and calling at 276 stations. As we know, FGW have already commented on the decision. But only to their staff. I'd like to see their robust response made public. I suspect though it will be watered down. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: TaplowGreen on April 03, 2014, 14:18:35 .............I'm sure Bob Crow (RIP) is smiling down from on high, knowing that his legacy is being safely managed! ::)
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Tim on April 03, 2014, 14:57:35 In terms of Agency/Contract workers for cleaning etc, whilst their objectives are laudable, they're not living in the real world.....the days of large companies maintaining hordes of directly employed cleaners etc are long gone, the costs are simply too high. Perhaps. But the MITIE cleaners (who IMHO do a pretty unpleasant job well) get a rough deal. Regardless of who employs them, the RMT is right to fight for them to be given the minimum living wage and/or for them to receive the perks (travel benefits etc) of other FGW staff. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on April 03, 2014, 15:24:17 Mitie staff get.... minimum wage (and not the London living wage neither)
Mitie staff dont get. Travel Benefits Pension Sick Pay Residential Travel to and from work. Decent wages Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ChrisB on April 03, 2014, 15:35:42 I thought SSP (sick pay) was statutory?....
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: paul7575 on April 03, 2014, 16:08:23 I thought SSP (sick pay) was statutory?.... I didn't think payment for residential travel was permitted unless you were 'mobile'. For anyone with a single place of work it isn't allowed. Not enough detail in the previous post to know what it concerns really... Paul Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: TaplowGreen on April 03, 2014, 16:15:45 I thought SSP (sick pay) was statutory?.... I didn't think payment for residential travel was permitted unless you were 'mobile'. For anyone with a single place of work it isn't allowed. Not enough detail in the previous post to know what it concerns really... Paul ....and all employers will have to offer workplace pensions, as for "travel benefits", I'm guessing these only apply to TOC employees?, the cleaners are employed by MITIE so why should that be FGW's problem? So overall the Unions should be lobbying MITIE who employ them, not the TOC............in any case this would all have been in the original contract between FGW & MITIE so why threaten strike action now? Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ChrisB on April 03, 2014, 16:25:43 Need for more members....
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: TaplowGreen on April 03, 2014, 18:26:07 Need for more members.... ......and perhaps certain people looking to make a temporary/interim Union job permanent by impressing the comrades? Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ellendune on April 03, 2014, 21:08:25 the cleaners are employed by MITIE so why should that be FGW's problem? So overall the Unions should be lobbying MITIE who employ them, not the TOC............in any case this would all have been in the original contract between FGW & MITIE so why threaten strike action now? If there is a strike and MITIE cannot provide a service it is FGW's problem. The theory behind outsourcing is that you should outsource something if it is not your core business. So if you are running a bank outsourcing the office cleaners makes sense. In the more enlightened companies the contracts even include minimum terms of employment. This is because they recognise that if you treat your workers like dirt you will not get the best result. However, some companies take it too far to the extent that they are just a management company employing a very few staff directly who manage (or sometime not even manage - just pay the bills) the outsourced contracts. In this case you wonder if the company is adding value at all. So the questions are - 1) is cleaning trains core to FGW's activities? I think you could validly argue it both ways. 2) is the standard of cleaning acceptable? I thought SSP (sick pay) was statutory?.... It is for those above a certain number of hours per week. But it is not as generous as some company schemes. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on April 03, 2014, 23:05:30 FGW Company sick pay
up to 5 years railway service - 13 weeks at 100% of basic salary. Then 50% of basic salary for another 13 weeks plus SSP, then SSP only. Over 5 years railway service - 26 weeks at 100% of basic salary. Then 50% of basic salary for another 26 weeks plus SSP, then SSP only. Of course you can technically take your 31 days annual leave while to add another month and a bit at full pay. ----- Mitie staff get Nothing for the first 3 days of any sickness, then SSP. ---- When I was referring to residential travel, I meant the 75% discount season ticket. In regards to pensions, I am aware of NEST. However this doesn't stop mitie from encouraging staff who do not understand from 'opting out'. ....and all employers will have to offer workplace pensions, as for "travel benefits", I'm guessing these only apply to TOC employees?, the cleaners are employed by MITIE so why should that be FGW's problem? Not if your earnings are below a certain limit, or if creative accounting makes it look like your earning below the limits.So overall the Unions should be lobbying MITIE who employ them, not the TOC............in any case this would all have been in the original contract between FGW & MITIE so why threaten strike action now? Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: a-driver on April 22, 2014, 12:19:48 1005 votes received.
580 voted 'yes' for strike action, 419 voted 'no' (6 papers spoilt) Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: JayMac on April 22, 2014, 12:41:36 Is there a turnout percentage?
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ChrisB on April 22, 2014, 12:43:57 Sounds as though a constructive meeting was held last Friday, although there's little or no chance of reinstatement for those two requested.
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: insider on April 22, 2014, 16:15:18 If RMT wanted to they really could cause some chaos by adding FGW strike to the dates below.........
Extract from RMT Website RMT declares new tube strike dates as London Underground wreck talks and confirm even worse cuts to jobs, services and safety. TUBE UNION RMT today confirmed five days of all-out strike action across London Underground as long-running talks hosted by ACAS, aimed at settling the dispute over cuts to jobs, ticket offices and safety, were wrecked by a combination of management intransigence and the introduction of additional measures that actually worsened the original toxic package. It has also been made crystal clear to the union that this is just a first tranche of cuts with even harder attacks being lined up for the near future. As a result RMT members on London Underground have been instructed to take strike action as follows: all our members, excluding Fleet staff, not to book on for any shifts that commence between:- 21:00 hours on Monday 28th of April 2014 until 20:59 hours on Wednesday 30th April 2014; and 21:00 hours on Monday 5th of May 2014 until 20:59 hours on Thursday 8th of May 2014. All members employed in the Fleet grades will be instructed not to book on for any shifts that commence between:- 18.30 hours on Monday 28th of April 2014 until 18.29 hours on Wednesday 30th April 2014; and 18.30 hours on Monday 5th of May 2014 until 18.29 hours on Thursday 8th of May 2014. Furthermore all members in the station grades are instructed not to work any rest days or overtime from 00.01 hours on Tuesday 29th of April 2014 until further notice. And..... RAIL UNION RMT today confirmed strike action across Heathrow Express in response to a package of multi-million pound cuts which amount to an all-out assault on pay, jobs and safety. Following a massive nine to one vote for action covering all grades, RMT has instructed Heathrow Express members: ^ Not to book on for any shifts of duty between 03.00 hours on Tuesday 29th of April 2014 until 02.59 hours on Thursday 1st May 2014 Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: The Tall Controller on April 22, 2014, 18:38:21 Turnout roughly 50% as I believe they have 2,000 members across FGW. Meaning around 25% of all members voted for action.
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on April 23, 2014, 13:38:05 They wont be able to strike on the same day as HEx and LU because the legally required 7 days notice hasn't been lodged or if it has they have been very quiet about it.
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: TaplowGreen on April 23, 2014, 16:20:47 Turnout roughly 50% as I believe they have 2,000 members across FGW. Meaning around 25% of all members voted for action. ....not much of a mandate for strike action is it? Shows how few of the brothers are really that bothered about it, just the usual hot air billowing from the upper tier...... Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Super Guard on April 23, 2014, 16:58:06 Turnout roughly 50% as I believe they have 2,000 members across FGW. Meaning around 25% of all members voted for action. ....not much of a mandate for strike action is it? Shows how few of the brothers are really that bothered about it, just the usual hot air billowing from the upper tier...... Let's face it - not many of the 2000 or so members are personally affected by the issues, so in my opinion the result is not surprising - but it doesn't necessarily mean the issues the RMT have are not legitimate*. *I have no opinion as to whether the RMT's claims are legitimate or not. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: TaplowGreen on April 23, 2014, 17:05:17 Turnout roughly 50% as I believe they have 2,000 members across FGW. Meaning around 25% of all members voted for action. ....not much of a mandate for strike action is it? Shows how few of the brothers are really that bothered about it, just the usual hot air billowing from the upper tier...... Let's face it - not many of the 2000 or so members are personally affected by the issues, so in my opinion the result is not surprising - but it doesn't necessarily mean the issues the RMT have are not legitimate*. *I have no opinion as to whether the RMT's claims are legitimate or not. ......isn't the whole point of being in a Trade Union that united you stand? Not just issues that affect you personally? I think it just further serves to demonstrate that the whole thing was just showboating by those hoping to cement their positions at the top of the Union. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: a-driver on April 23, 2014, 20:36:38 Turnout roughly 50% as I believe they have 2,000 members across FGW. Meaning around 25% of all members voted for action. ....not much of a mandate for strike action is it? Shows how few of the brothers are really that bothered about it, just the usual hot air billowing from the upper tier...... Let's face it - not many of the 2000 or so members are personally affected by the issues, so in my opinion the result is not surprising - but it doesn't necessarily mean the issues the RMT have are not legitimate*. *I have no opinion as to whether the RMT's claims are legitimate or not. ......isn't the whole point of being in a Trade Union that united you stand? Not just issues that affect you personally? I think it just further serves to demonstrate that the whole thing was just showboating by those hoping to cement their positions at the top of the Union. Exactly, If I thought there was good reason to strike I would however on this occasion I think the RMT had got it completely wrong and infact have probably left some of its members worse off as I believe there were things tabled such as travel perks which were rejected by the RMT. As you said, there are certain people trying to cement their positions within the union at the cost of its members. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Super Guard on April 23, 2014, 21:20:47 Just for the record, action short of a strike got 721 yes, 284 no.
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on April 24, 2014, 15:36:06 Turnout roughly 50% as I believe they have 2,000 members across FGW. Meaning around 25% of all members voted for action. ....not much of a mandate for strike action is it? Shows how few of the brothers are really that bothered about it, just the usual hot air billowing from the upper tier...... Let's face it - not many of the 2000 or so members are personally affected by the issues, so in my opinion the result is not surprising - but it doesn't necessarily mean the issues the RMT have are not legitimate*. *I have no opinion as to whether the RMT's claims are legitimate or not. ......isn't the whole point of being in a Trade Union that united you stand? Not just issues that affect you personally? I think it just further serves to demonstrate that the whole thing was just showboating by those hoping to cement their positions at the top of the Union. Exactly, If I thought there was good reason to strike I would however on this occasion I think the RMT had got it completely wrong and infact have probably left some of its members worse off as I believe there were things tabled such as travel perks which were rejected by the RMT. As you said, there are certain people trying to cement their positions within the union at the cost of its members. No extra perks were tabled for FGW members. The only 'perk' was 4 days (a year) of leisure travel for Mitie workers. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Chris from Nailsea on April 24, 2014, 22:54:21 No extra perks were tabled for FGW members. The only 'perk' was 4 days (a year) of leisure travel for Mitie workers. Wot?? They're allowed four days a year off - for leisure!? :o :o :o I am posting :P, by the way - lest it be misunderstood. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on April 24, 2014, 23:26:20 Currently they (Mitie) get 0 days of free leisure travel on FGW despite cleaning them. They get no PRIV facilities neither.
Even staff from other FG TOCs get 8 boxes (16 days) for use on other FG TOCs. I do believe the cleaners/train presentation staff for FCC and FSR get staff facilities. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Southern Stag on April 25, 2014, 01:20:25 I do believe the cleaners/train presentation staff for FCC and FSR get staff facilities. As will any cleaners directly employed by FGW. I believe at least some of the overnight cleaning on depots is undertaken by staff directly employed by FGW and not contracted staff. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Btline on April 25, 2014, 17:11:19 Once again, the RMT are holding this country to ransom as this abominable strike action will paralyse the capital.
Commuters up and down the capital will be urging TFL to hold by their guns and speed up their programme of automation and cut jobs faster. The government will be under pressure to ban striking on essential public services. Do the workers really this? Striking will be counter productive! In other news, the Heathrow Express will be affected. How will it cope? ;D Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ChrisB on April 25, 2014, 22:40:24 Different strike....half hourly service, I think I saw mentioned
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ellendune on April 25, 2014, 22:59:17 Once again, the RMT are holding this country to ransom as this abominable strike action will paralyse the capital. London is only a small part of this country even though it likes to think it is all of it. Many of us will be totally unaffected by this action and not a little annoyed that London thinks itself so important that we should be bothered. Commuters up and down the capital will be urging TFL to hold by their guns and speed up their programme of automation and cut jobs faster. The government will be under pressure to ban striking on essential public services. Do the workers really this? Striking will be counter productive! I would caution thinking that all others will agree with you. I suspect opinions will be more divided that you think. In other news, the Heathrow Express will be affected. How will it cope? ;D On that one I have some sympathy Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on April 25, 2014, 23:16:17 Once again, the RMT are holding this country to ransom as this abominable strike action will paralyse the capital. Commuters up and down the capital will be urging TFL to hold by their guns and speed up their programme of automation and cut jobs faster. The government will be under pressure to ban striking on essential public services. Do the workers really this? Striking will be counter productive! In other news, the Heathrow Express will be affected. How will it cope? ;D Oh look lets default to the Daily Mail stance and sod all those who think different. Get out in the real world and actually look behind the PR spin and bluster from TfL and Boris's Lies. Automated train, okay. There is smoke coming from the underside of the carriage. You've pulled the alarm, Train stops in Zone 4 station. Its unstaffed thanks to the new (Mobile Group Station) Supervisor having to cover 10 stations. The MGSS is miles away and prob at least 30 min drive away. What Next? Your Oyster/freedom pass screws up, fails to register or breaks or you have an incomplete journey what next? Well you cant go to a ticket office as thanks to automation the ticket office has been shut and turned into an amazon locker. The POMs (Passenger Operated Machines) are their normal self and refuse to play ball. The fabled staff member with an iPad is on break. What Next? The HeX strike is completly different to the TfL strike. But of course any employee who is in fear of being sacked or downgraded in order to pay for BAA (Ferroival) dividends is lucky they have a job according to the Daily Mail. How dare they strike to protect their jobs!!! How dare they affect the salaries of the big corporate bosses and the [non english] shareholders. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: bobm on April 26, 2014, 00:02:07 Different strike....half hourly service, I think I saw mentioned Indeed - from the front page of the Heathrow Express website ;) Quote Services will continue during the RMT strike on April 29 and April 30. Trains will depart Paddington at 10 and 40 minutes past the hour, and Heathrow at 12 and 42 minutes past the hour. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: tom m on April 26, 2014, 09:54:01 I am almost certain there will be no Heathrow connect so we can expect the TV services from Hayes to padd to be busy and I imagine people will be looking to use the mainline from ealing Broadway too instead of the tube.
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Network SouthEast on April 26, 2014, 14:28:11 Correct, there will be no Heathrow Connect service in operation during the Heathrow Express strike.
A point frequently forgotten in the London Underground strikes is that automated trains won't stop strike action. A lot of the disruption during next weeks strikes will be as a result of having insufficient staff to keep the deep level stations open to comply with fire regulations. Then there's the backend staff, maintenance crew etc... Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: paul7575 on April 26, 2014, 15:00:24 Another point mentioned above - that is presumably intended to cloud the current situation, is that this dispute is about ticket office closures, and therefore hypothetical issues or problems with 'automated trains' are a red herring. Indeed haven't LU themselves said that even if trains are fully automated they will still be manned, as per DLR?
Paul Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: John R on April 26, 2014, 16:00:08 Indeed haven't LU themselves said that even if trains are fully automated they will still be manned, as per DLR? Paul Yes, but I suspect they won't be paying 50k pa for someone not to drive a train. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Network SouthEast on April 26, 2014, 17:01:06 Yes, but I suspect they won't be paying 50k pa for someone not to drive a train. Of course nobody gets paid anything for going on strike. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on April 26, 2014, 23:56:41 Yes, but I suspect they won't be paying 50k pa for someone not to drive a train. Of course nobody gets paid anything for going on strike. A PSA as of 01/01/14 gets paid ^38,542.00 pa, based on a 35 Hour week and 31 days Annual Leave. Source LRD. Did anyone notice Kings Cross got an enforcement notice served on it by London Fire? http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/notice_detail.asp?id=183434. Apparently a manager was photographed padlocking a fire exit (Pentonville Road) and then covering up the fire exit sign with duct tape, allegedly. (My source is very reliable). Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: JayMac on April 27, 2014, 00:17:37 Did anyone notice Kings Cross got an enforcement notice served on it by London Fire? http://www.london-fire.gov.uk/notice_detail.asp?id=183434. Apparently a manager was photographed padlocking a fire exit (Pentonville Road) and then covering up the fire exit sign with duct tape, allegedly. (My source is very reliable). That, if true, is somewhat concerning. At Kings Cross St Pancras Underground of all places. :o Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Btline on April 27, 2014, 19:30:49 A few responses:
*ALL the stations will be manned during operation times *ALL trains will be manned London is the main part of the UK economy, rightly or wrongly. The strike in London will therefore affect the entire UK economy. I know that the Heathrow Express will be running. I just find it funny that they think it will disrupt anyone! For some time now, anybody getting a job on the railway as a driver/guard must know that automation and DOO is inevitable in the long term. I think it is scandalous that SWT pay thousands for "non commercial guards" who only operate doors (which the driver could easily do) and who do not check tickets. Also, paying an LU operator to press "go" the same rate of a driver is unacceptable. If we are going to have a viable railway that can afford to expand, the enormous costs need to be brought down. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Southern Stag on April 27, 2014, 19:42:40 I think it is scandalous that SWT pay thousands for "non commercial guards" who only operate doors (which the driver could easily do) and who do not check tickets. As someone who regularly uses, and therefore pays, for these services I don't agree with you at all. They provide a useful customer service role ordinarily and a far more important role when there is disruption, or potentially an emergency. Remember that on the latest figures SWT was one of only two TOCs that made a net profit for the government once direct government grant to Network Rail was taken into account. If it was such a scandal that SWT employ non-commercial guards surely SWT would not be profitable.Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: tom m on April 27, 2014, 22:02:55 Its worth noting that hex often operates as a double train without interconnected cabs, the onboard staff are present to help evacuate the rear train should it be required as the driver does not have access to the rear train without stepping onto the trackside. This is one of the items under dispute with RMT and hex.
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ellendune on April 27, 2014, 22:07:10 RMT does a very good job at projecting its view to the public and the railway operators by and large are less good. I think the last few posts illustrate that all these issues are considerably more complex than either side makes out publically.
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on April 27, 2014, 22:46:03 A few responses: *ALL the stations will be manned during operation times ....... Really?? Okay why dont you pop down to one of my local (Non Zone 1) stations and find the member of staff.. Oh wait that's right you can't because there isnt anyone there. Same thing happened today (Sunday) barriers in the open setting and the supervisors office blind pulled down with the lights turned off. Yesterday (Saturday), travelling again from another local station around Lunch time, passenger fell over and quite badly sprained ankle on stairs. No staff. Luckily for the passenger I was able to call LU NoC. LU NoC confirmed that there was no one at the station (nor at the stations before and after) and could the passenger (with the sprained ankle) travel to the nearest major interchange. So of course all stations are manned during operation times, clearly. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ChrisB on May 14, 2014, 08:59:21 Quote the RMT^s Executive Committee has accepted all of our proposals outlined in our letter of Monday 21 April 2014 for resolving our dispute with the trade union. The RMT have also confirmed that they no longer consider themselves to be in dispute with First Great Western. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: Chris from Nailsea on May 14, 2014, 10:00:58 More detail, from the Socialist Worker (http://socialistworker.co.uk/art/38118/First+Great+Western+forced+to+end+zero+hours+contracts?):
Quote First Great Western forced to end zero hours contracts Workers in the RMT union have forced concessions from First Great Western train bosses. They are to end zero hours contracts and pay a living wage to agency and contract staff working in catering and cleaning. This comes after workers voted by almost 60 percent to strike and over 70 percent for action short of a strike. For the first time the RMT balloted all grades on First Great Western. The dispute ended after a resolution was also reached over disciplinary procedures. The new wage rates are to be set as outsourced contracts are renewed or expire over the next year. On board catering workers are to be brought back in-house. RMT said it is still fighting for all agency and contract workers to be brought in-house. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ChrisB on May 14, 2014, 10:47:11 Hmm, FGW think slightly differently
Quote We have committed to consider our position on the payment of Living Wage/ London Living Wage when any contract falls due for re-tendering and have already committed to agree payment of these rates as part of our new contract which has been awarded for train catering provision, which will become effective from Sunday 1 June 2014. Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on May 16, 2014, 02:43:57 and now there is an issue with TUPE transfers at Reading and Bristol TM.
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: ChrisB on May 16, 2014, 09:08:21 Presumably a NR uissue though, rather than effecting FGW?
Title: Re: RMT to ballot for industrial action. Post by: SDS on May 16, 2014, 14:42:04 Dunno the whole story, think its to do with Mitie and Initial.
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